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May 25, 2018, 04:23:19 AM
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When you turn on your radio today (if you even use a radio anymore) you will likely tune in to an FM radio station to listen to music. AM radio being reserved mainly for talk shows or other boring things that nobody really listens to. But this wasn’t always the case. AM used to be the dominant wave band for most of the 20th century.


Although FM radio was created in the 1930s, it had a very slow start in getting widespread adoption. AM radio was what you tuned into if you wanted to listen to a radio station which meant that to listen to FM you would need to buy a radio with FM included and you needed FM stations to listen to. But why would radio companies build FM into their radios if there were no FM radio stations? Why would people create FM radio stations if there were no radios that could listen?

This is the same chicken and egg scenario that Bitcoin has faced since its inception. Why would you accept bitcoins at your store if nobody is spending them? Why would you spend bitcoins if no stores are accepting it?

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May 25, 2018, 04:32:58 AM
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When you turn on your radio today (if you even use a radio anymore) you will likely tune in to an FM radio station to listen to music.

What's FM radio? What's AM radio? That still exists? The only radio worth listening too is XM satellite radio! Or one of the many music streaming or podcast sites. Seriously, "regular radio" is for retirees and the Apollo 7 capsule stuck on the far side of the moon!

If you're comparing Bitcoin to FM/AM radio you're kind of insulting Bitcoin, but I get your point. And all the worthy alt coins (there are only a few) represent the expansions beyond that first one out the gate. Let's call Ethereum the equivalent of Satellite radio.

The adoption pace you speak of isn't only beholden to raido, it's an example for all new technology. And it doesn't mean that the first version has to be the quick-to-die dinosaur, it just means that it takes a few decades for adoption of a new technology to take full pace. That's great news for all of us! Barely one decade in, the good part has yet to begun!

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May 25, 2018, 04:37:20 AM
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I do not see much relevance here. Bitcoin and RADIO radios are quite different, why compare them to each other? . Thanks!
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May 25, 2018, 04:48:36 AM
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I do not see much relevance here. Bitcoin and RADIO radios are quite different, why compare them to each other? . Thanks!

If you read the article you will see that it says that Bitcoin and radios are the exact same thing. It does not use radio adoption as a mere example, it says that Bitcoin uses radio waves for transmitting music.

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May 25, 2018, 04:55:04 AM
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I do not see much relevance here. Bitcoin and RADIO radios are quite different, why compare them to each other? . Thanks!

If you read the article you will see that it says that Bitcoin and radios are the exact same thing. It does not use radio adoption as a mere example, it says that Bitcoin uses radio waves for transmitting music.

You're both missing the point.

Bitcoin to radio isn't the right analogy. It's the blockchain that has so much in common with radio as it does the combustible engine, the refrigerator, the television set, the airplane, the printing press, and the internet. It's a new technology, it's adoption will be slow at first and then booming because it takes time to generate the momentum of the people and the use cases for folks to realize how valuable it is, as a technology.

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May 25, 2018, 05:05:06 AM
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I do not see much relevance here. Bitcoin and RADIO radios are quite different, why compare them to each other? . Thanks!

If you read the article you will see that it says that Bitcoin and radios are the exact same thing. It does not use radio adoption as a mere example, it says that Bitcoin uses radio waves for transmitting music.

You're both missing the point.

Bitcoin to radio isn't the right analogy. It's the blockchain that has so much in common with radio as it does the combustible engine, the refrigerator, the television set, the airplane, the printing press, and the internet. It's a new technology, it's adoption will be slow at first and then booming because it takes time to generate the momentum of the people and the use cases for folks to realize how valuable it is, as a technology.

Oh no, I think that blockchain is a radio. I am listening to the blockchain in my car right now.

I suspect that nobody has actually read the article though.

Perhaps you can tune into your FM blockchain station to find out more.

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May 25, 2018, 05:19:37 AM
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the answer to the why the AM/FM flippening occured.

AM was more wideband that was used to broadcast over large distances. FM was more localised. for instance here in the UK if your at the southrn english beaches you can listen to french AM radio stations. where as for FM if you drive just 20 miles out of town you may not hear your towns radio station any longer (unless they set up radio masts along your route)

many countries could only licence certain frequencies. and so if each town wanted their own frequency, on AM if a town wanted xxx frequency.. then that radio station would be heard hundreds of miles away. meaning a town just 100 miles away could not also use that same frequency because it would be cluttered by the other town. so allowing local towns to have their own radio stations were limited due to the clutter

so FM started to be more common for "local" radio stations and AM was used for "national" radio stations because the signal range(strength) of FM was less than AM.
back in the days before cellular phones. people used to talk to each other wirelessly via C.B radios. FM was used to talk to people locally and AM was for those who wanted to talk long distance

anyway. not sure why the FM/AM analgy applies to bitcoin. as i can think of better analogies

for us millenials wanting a comparison of FM/AM signals
FM=Wi-FI
AM=5G

.... and then i clicked the link and realised it was elwar trying to pump their FLAWED seastead campaign.... elwar. please please please tell m you learned something from the previous 2 years of you trying to promote the seastead money grab.

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bitcoin isn't the AM or FM frequencies if you want to make a comparison. bitcoin is the Radio itself in this case that was capable of receiving and translating AM frequencies and nothing else when it started. and slowly it evolved and added other things too, it added FM frequency and could receive that too and then it added cassette players to itself so it was capable of reading those too and added a bunch more and continued being improved.

as for why FM over AM, it has to do with their characteristics. for example FM has a much better sound quality due to its higher bandwidth and also less prone to interference than AM. it is also less susceptible to noise.
so i say it had nothing to do with the "chicken and egg" at all. there was a new technology that was offering some better features (bitcoin versus fiat) so they added it. the adoption for it happened slowly at the same time....
i still don't like the comparison though.

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May 25, 2018, 05:54:00 AM
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When you turn on your radio today (if you even use a radio anymore) you will likely tune in to an FM radio station to listen to music. AM radio being reserved mainly for talk shows or other boring things that nobody really listens to. But this wasn’t always the case. AM used to be the dominant wave band for most of the 20th century.


Although FM radio was created in the 1930s, it had a very slow start in getting widespread adoption. AM radio was what you tuned into if you wanted to listen to a radio station which meant that to listen to FM you would need to buy a radio with FM included and you needed FM stations to listen to. But why would radio companies build FM into their radios if there were no FM radio stations? Why would people create FM radio stations if there were no radios that could listen?

This is the same chicken and egg scenario that Bitcoin has faced since its inception. Why would you accept bitcoins at your store if nobody is spending them? Why would you spend bitcoins if no stores are accepting it?

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That's why everyone one of us and all users of bitcoin here in bitcoin forum trying to bringing up into popularity for the purpose of centralized making as one currency  through Decentralized Digital System. all success of bitcoin is only coming from us. so all of that situation regarding for limited client or machine if ever Bitcoin become primary use to all through the help of every people will provided someday.
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May 25, 2018, 06:04:12 AM
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If Bitcoin wants to learn something from radio, then they should start with this :

" Norway has become the first country in the world to start phasing out the FM radio signal in favour of Digital Audio Broadcasting (DAB). "

Source : https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/11/norway-begins-switching-off-analogue-radio

Bitcoin will not be the most widely used Crypto currency, if it does not scale and adapt to the changing need of it's users. Some other Alt coin will grab the opportunity to replace Bitcoin, when they offer improved features that Bitcoin does not offer and that users want.  Roll Eyes

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If Bitcoin wants to learn something from radio, then they should start with this :

" Norway has become the first country in the world to start phasing out the FM radio signal in favour of Digital Audio Broadcasting (DAB). "

Source : https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/11/norway-begins-switching-off-analogue-radio

Bitcoin will not be the most widely used Crypto currency, if it does not scale and adapt to the changing need of it's users. Some other Alt coin will grab the opportunity to replace Bitcoin, when they offer improved features that Bitcoin does not offer and that users want.  Roll Eyes

imagine LN as DAB
and thats why segwit has the new address format of BC1q.. because LN is not a feature to make bitcoin great. LN is a new network where other currencies will use
litecoin=LC1q..
USD FIAT=USD1q..
GBP FIAT =GBP1q..

so dont think the devs are trying to strengthen bitcoin.. they are already stifling bitcoin by removin the fee priority formulae and causing fee wars
they stifled legacy blocksize by not allowing people to transact more than 1mb of tx's using true legacy bitcoin addresses
they are stifling efficient blockhashing speeds by not letting bitcoin use asicboost

thats right a new currency funded by the bankers behind cores paid devs will use miners that are 30% more efficient(secure) than bitcoin and allow more transactions than bitcoin

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May 25, 2018, 06:37:37 AM
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I think this article explains the bitcoin transaction without internet using kryptoradio, I was wrong.

however, basically bitcoin for now is not widely used as a means of payment transactions. it's just used as a price barter (asset) like gold. if it is associated with the initial FM radio development is strange, but when all the developments with content that much needed for the community, the result will be a positive value.

Bitcoin technology is not comparable if it is associated with FM radio history, because basically bitcoin is content and blockchain is transmitting.
so when blockchain is associated with FM radio it is likely still one path.

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Wow. Interesting how everyone misses the whole point of the article being around the simulcast aspect of early AM/FM and how it relates to companies accepting traditional and crypto currencies.

It's about adoption, not about technology.

That's why the title says "early FM radio adoption"...not "early FM radio technology".

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May 25, 2018, 12:51:14 PM
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Wow. Interesting how everyone misses the whole point of the article being around the simulcast aspect of early AM/FM and how it relates to companies accepting traditional and crypto currencies.

It's about adoption, not about technology.

That's why the title says "early FM radio adoption"...not "early FM radio technology".

but your article about the FM adoption is not how it really happened.
plus it does not relate to bitcoin...

but i do find it funny how you then use the article to pump your empty seatstead project which after 2 years has not even learned half the lessons needed to be learned 2 years ago.

your topic is actually not about FM or bitcoin. but a subtle advert for your cash grab. atleast be real about it

P.S if the seastead project had an ounce of real soul, moral and ethics of actually achieving something that could help the wider world. i would have actually been part of it and given the project many idea's to actually become a reality. but, nah. all i see is a money grab and no real existance of real plans beyond some glossy images and buzzwords. (even the images have flaws of basic concept design, thats how bad your ploy is)

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May 25, 2018, 03:08:52 PM
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Wow. Interesting how everyone misses the whole point of the article being around the simulcast aspect of early AM/FM and how it relates to companies accepting traditional and crypto currencies.

It's about adoption, not about technology.

That's why the title says "early FM radio adoption"...not "early FM radio technology".

but your article about the FM adoption is not how it really happened.
plus it does not relate to bitcoin...

but i do find it funny how you then use the article to pump your empty seatstead project which after 2 years has not even learned half the lessons needed to be learned 2 years ago.

your topic is actually not about FM or bitcoin. but a subtle advert for your cash grab. atleast be real about it

P.S if the seastead project had an ounce of real soul, moral and ethics of actually achieving something that could help the wider world. i would have actually been part of it and given the project many idea's to actually become a reality. but, nah. all i see is a money grab and no real existance of real plans beyond some glossy images and buzzwords. (even the images have flaws of basic concept design, thats how bad your ploy is)

Ok, that's just what I learned in college about the history of FM but what do I know? I only have a degree in Telecommunications. I could have gone into more detail about Edwin Armstrong and his interesting life story of trying to get FM accepted but it doesn't really relate to Bitcoin and ends with him jumping to his death due to FM not succeeding.

As for the seastead. I put an example from my knowledge. If you have other examples of places that only accept crypto and don't accept fiat currencies I would love to hear about them since that is the whole point of the article...getting those companies out there.

As for your naysaying about Blue Frontiers (which has only been around for 1 year), I am sure that any seasteading project that came about you would not support due to "you didn't think about water!" (even though we have a team of 70+ very intelligent volunteers that are contributing their expertise in every minute detail that it is less about having information and ideas as it is narrowing things down. So unless you have an expertise in the field you're contributing your ideas about...it would likely already have been covered. We ended up turning away volunteers only allowing about 1 per week due to the large amount of people that want to contribute their ideas.
The project will happen with or without your approval. The founders opted for a small ICO with reserves released based upon results in the future as opposed to following the path of all other ICOs where you get a bunch of money for your project then never get around to it due to the amount of time you're spending on vacation or driving your lambo. The founders have been involved in seasteading since 2008, I've been involved since 2008. I retired and moved to Tahiti to help out with the project. The project is legit. You can scream scam all you want. We're too busy making it happen.

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it could be like that because Bitcoin is interpreted for the transaction of a token or coin, but if FM Radio is in kn transaction for a sound and a song.

the difference is that FM Radio can be false it with the existence of his radio network hijacking, but if bitcoin can not be false right.
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I do not see much relevance here. Bitcoin and RADIO radios are quite different, why compare them to each other? . Thanks!

Your idea will be dismissed by most who are thinking on surface. But if you look carefully, there are a lot of differences.

Let us talk about the nature. One is related to finances and other is for entertainment. There is big difference between the two from the point of view of an average user. For instance, consider an average user on FB or Instagram, he is using these to pass his time and for some fun. But for someone with interest in internet marketing, it is more of a business opportunity. They will see the same platform differently.

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