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July 11, 2016, 01:06:39 PM
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The Ether Review #34 – Vinay Gupta on Rethinking Blockchain Use Cases

https://www.etherreview.info/2016/07/08/234/



MakerDAO Founder Claims “Absolutely Zero” Obligation to DAO Investors In Interview

http://bitcoinist.net/makerdao-founder-claims-absolutely-zero-obligation-dao-investors-interview/





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July 11, 2016, 02:23:23 PM
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The Ether Review #34 – Vinay Gupta on Rethinking Blockchain Use Cases

https://www.etherreview.info/2016/07/08/234/



MakerDAO Founder Claims “Absolutely Zero” Obligation to DAO Investors In Interview

http://bitcoinist.net/makerdao-founder-claims-absolutely-zero-obligation-dao-investors-interview/


I like it:

"Same as we have always been doing, obsessing about security at every step of the design and implementation process. We knew very early that security was going to be the most important factor and have been building our entire stack around that maxim from the start."
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July 12, 2016, 05:30:22 AM
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The Ether Review #34 – Vinay Gupta on Rethinking Blockchain Use Cases

https://www.etherreview.info/2016/07/08/234/



MakerDAO Founder Claims “Absolutely Zero” Obligation to DAO Investors In Interview

http://bitcoinist.net/makerdao-founder-claims-absolutely-zero-obligation-dao-investors-interview/







But what is the sense of the DAO if there are no obligation to investor. Is it worthless as investment. For what does it serve?

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July 12, 2016, 05:35:51 AM
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http://hackingdistributed.com/2016/07/11/decentralized-escape-hatches-for-smart-contracts/

one needs to read vitaliks asnwer

i think if we want it decent. there will be no way of " put a little coins in, lean back and get rich" one has to be involved be "responsible" and act if necesary .

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July 12, 2016, 07:48:44 AM
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The Ether Review #34 – Vinay Gupta on Rethinking Blockchain Use Cases

https://www.etherreview.info/2016/07/08/234/



MakerDAO Founder Claims “Absolutely Zero” Obligation to DAO Investors In Interview

http://bitcoinist.net/makerdao-founder-claims-absolutely-zero-obligation-dao-investors-interview/







But what is the sense of the DAO if there are no obligation to investor. Is it worthless as investment. For what does it serve?

I think what the MakerDAO founder meant was the Ethereum community. He was asked "How much responsibility does the Ethereum community have to those staked in the DAO?". To which he answered “Absolutely Zero.”

But he seems biased to the hard fork. It's maybe because he has his own project on Ethereum and is protecting his interests. Can't blame him.

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July 12, 2016, 10:33:42 AM
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Volume dropping on poloniex for eth.Is there any latest news causing this apart from DAO hacking incident?

Yes, I am looking for the latest news on the hacking incident also. There seems to be none. Would it be possible for the hacker to be talking and discussing terms with Vitalik?

I think the hacker will not talk too much. If he exposes himself, the law enforcement will find him and he will be in jail.

why? what is the law that he/she broke?
I don't think it's so sue him of something...
What do you know   Cheesy ?  Thieve hacker should be put in jail Grin.
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July 12, 2016, 10:36:19 AM
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I dont know whether this has been answered yet. Does anyone know the date of ETH forking?

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July 12, 2016, 10:39:12 AM
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Does anyone know ETH hashrate for nVIDIA 1070 and AMD RX 480 at the Windows?
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July 12, 2016, 10:43:46 AM
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Volume dropping on poloniex for eth.Is there any latest news causing this apart from DAO hacking incident?

Yes, I am looking for the latest news on the hacking incident also. There seems to be none. Would it be possible for the hacker to be talking and discussing terms with Vitalik?

I think the hacker will not talk too much. If he exposes himself, the law enforcement will find him and he will be in jail.

why? what is the law that he/she broke?
I don't think it's so sue him of something...
What do you know   Cheesy ?  Thieve hacker should be put in jail Grin.
He is not a thief. Come on they made so much money from the fake pumps till now,simply accept it.
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July 12, 2016, 01:01:24 PM
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Volume dropping on poloniex for eth.Is there any latest news causing this apart from DAO hacking incident?

Yes, I am looking for the latest news on the hacking incident also. There seems to be none. Would it be possible for the hacker to be talking and discussing terms with Vitalik?

I think the hacker will not talk too much. If he exposes himself, the law enforcement will find him and he will be in jail.

why? what is the law that he/she broke?
I don't think it's so sue him of something...
What do you know   Cheesy ?  Thieve hacker should be put in jail Grin.
He is not a thief. Come on they made so much money from the fake pumps till now,simply accept it.

He used the inside information to cause the Ethereum price to go down and make profit by shorting it. Is that legal?
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July 12, 2016, 01:09:08 PM
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So what Ivan decided with hardfork?
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July 12, 2016, 01:11:54 PM
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Volume dropping on poloniex for eth.Is there any latest news causing this apart from DAO hacking incident?

Yes, I am looking for the latest news on the hacking incident also. There seems to be none. Would it be possible for the hacker to be talking and discussing terms with Vitalik?

I think the hacker will not talk too much. If he exposes himself, the law enforcement will find him and he will be in jail.

why? what is the law that he/she broke?
I don't think it's so sue him of something...
What do you know   Cheesy ?  Thieve hacker should be put in jail Grin.
He is not a thief. Come on they made so much money from the fake pumps till now,simply accept it.

He used the inside information to cause the Ethereum price to go down and make profit by shorting it. Is that legal?
you not professional in this question. This, that you say, is not a inside information at law
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July 12, 2016, 02:08:36 PM
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The Devcon2 site is now live!

https://blog.ethereum.org/2016/07/08/devcon2-site-now-live/

https://ethereumfoundation.org/devcon/





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A Crypto-Decentralist Manifesto

https://medium.com/@bit_novosti/a-crypto-decentralist-manifesto-6ba1fa0b9ede#.3ghaadxb0








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July 12, 2016, 02:43:57 PM
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Volume dropping on poloniex for eth.Is there any latest news causing this apart from DAO hacking incident?

Yes, I am looking for the latest news on the hacking incident also. There seems to be none. Would it be possible for the hacker to be talking and discussing terms with Vitalik?

I think the hacker will not talk too much. If he exposes himself, the law enforcement will find him and he will be in jail.

why? what is the law that he/she broke?
I don't think it's so sue him of something...
What do you know   Cheesy ?  Thieve hacker should be put in jail Grin.
He is not a thief. Come on they made so much money from the fake pumps till now,simply accept it.
I would accept it gladly (in jaile) Cheesy.
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July 12, 2016, 02:45:49 PM
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Volume dropping on poloniex for eth.Is there any latest news causing this apart from DAO hacking incident?

Yes, I am looking for the latest news on the hacking incident also. There seems to be none. Would it be possible for the hacker to be talking and discussing terms with Vitalik?

I think the hacker will not talk too much. If he exposes himself, the law enforcement will find him and he will be in jail.

why? what is the law that he/she broke?
I don't think it's so sue him of something...
What do you know   Cheesy ?  Thieve hacker should be put in jail Grin.
He is not a thief. Come on they made so much money from the fake pumps till now,simply accept it.
I would accept it gladly (in jaile) Cheesy.

Eth hype is on the decline phase. Just accept it and modify your trading stragies to include more coins and reduce space for eth.
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July 12, 2016, 04:27:02 PM
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Volume dropping on poloniex for eth.Is there any latest news causing this apart from DAO hacking incident?

Yes, I am looking for the latest news on the hacking incident also. There seems to be none. Would it be possible for the hacker to be talking and discussing terms with Vitalik?

I think the hacker will not talk too much. If he exposes himself, the law enforcement will find him and he will be in jail.

why? what is the law that he/she broke?
I don't think it's so sue him of something...
What do you know   Cheesy ?  Thieve hacker should be put in jail Grin.
He is not a thief. Come on they made so much money from the fake pumps till now,simply accept it.

If he is not a thief and he is entitled to keep the ETH he siphoned then keeping him from withdrawing his ETH must be illegal, right?  Of is this the wild west and anyone can take anyone's ETH without permission because the code allows it? 

This nonsense about he is entitled to keep the ETH he STOLE and he is not a thief is the bizarre logic of people with some kind of agenda against ETH or a mental illness. 

If you leave the front door to your house open and invite everyone inside that does not give them the right to take what is not theirs.  If the real owners of the ETH stolen say they did not give him permission to take it then their word wins - even if the technology has a logic or programming bug in it. 

If he is not a thief and he is entitled to keep the ETH he took then let him go to court and sue to keep it and withdraw it.  I will guarantee the minute he shows his face and admits he took teh ETH they will slap handcuffs on him.
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July 12, 2016, 04:32:02 PM
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Volume dropping on poloniex for eth.Is there any latest news causing this apart from DAO hacking incident?

Yes, I am looking for the latest news on the hacking incident also. There seems to be none. Would it be possible for the hacker to be talking and discussing terms with Vitalik?

I think the hacker will not talk too much. If he exposes himself, the law enforcement will find him and he will be in jail.

why? what is the law that he/she broke?
I don't think it's so sue him of something...
What do you know   Cheesy ?  Thieve hacker should be put in jail Grin.
He is not a thief. Come on they made so much money from the fake pumps till now,simply accept it.
I would accept it gladly (in jaile) Cheesy.

Eth hype is on the decline phase. Just accept it and modify your trading stragies to include more coins and reduce space for eth.

Agree maybe we have to acceptt that the concept of DAO is still not feasible. I also understand the point of the DAO hacker. Using a programmed back door cannot be punished. We have also to consider that the flaw was known at least for some weeks.

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July 12, 2016, 04:38:48 PM
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Agree maybe we have to acceptt that the concept of DAO is still not feasible. I also understand the point of the DAO hacker. Using a programmed back door cannot be punished. We have also to consider that the flaw was known at least for some weeks.

I am not sure about that. If the hacker identifies himself, there could be some kind of law suit against him.

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July 12, 2016, 04:46:03 PM
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Agree maybe we have to acceptt that the concept of DAO is still not feasible. I also understand the point of the DAO hacker. Using a programmed back door cannot be punished. We have also to consider that the flaw was known at least for some weeks.

I am not sure about that. If the hacker identifies himself, there could be some kind of law suit against him.
using a programed back door is absolutely  punishable in most jurisdictions. in addition his actions were contrary to the benefit of the DAO as whole and should not be allowed to stand.
as far as the shorting of eth on exchanges (where the real money was made) not sure if that's regulated in so far as things like that go...so probably not punishable.

is hf happening on 15th?
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July 12, 2016, 06:20:54 PM
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options on ethereum

this site is not explicite

anybody can explain ?

https://etheropt.github.io/
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