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December 02, 2018, 09:20:58 AM
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This is a full raging bear market my friends. Don't stand on the way of this freight train. I would short ethereum if  Iwere you. Eth is dead until further notice.

Mate, they will have big update in the beginning of net year. As I know they going to launch hard fork in January with some existed updates and improvements. And with Bakkt and Fidelity launch at almost same time ETH can grow till few thousands  Roll Eyes
Bakkt and Fidelity means the institutional traders will dump eth to $1 so they can buy cheap. It always makes me laugh when people with zero trading experience claim that this will bring prices up. What a joke!!! More exchanges (bakkt fidelity) means more liquidity = LOWER PRICES, NOT higher prices!!! The crypto community is so full of fools it's unbelievable!

More liquidity doesn't mean higher or lower prices. All that higher liquidity does is it lowers the spread and maybe the commissions.

I don't know if you ever traded penny stocks or low cap stocks. The spreads are crazy high on those stocks due to poor liquidity, and you basically need to buy at markets or sell at market if you want a fill soon since adding a bid/ask will take a long time to fill. If its a stock like AAPL with very high liquidity then you never have issues with fills.

However I don't think this BAKT will make much difference since the futures listing exactly 1 year ago caused this huge bear market.
You are contradicting yourself: you don't think this BAKT will make much difference but the futures listing exactly 1 year ago caused this huge bear market??? What other proof do you need that those big US exchanges (CBOE, NYSE NASDAQ bakkt fidelity) are being run by crooks who manipulate prices and rob investors like us on a daily basis??? If you've traded common stocks as you say you must know that 90% of all volume on the NYSE now is done by algos that manipulate the price.
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December 02, 2018, 10:32:05 AM
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As BTC crashes to the ground for the next two years, then and only then real institutional money will come into play.
Maybe that's why ETH is taking it's time.

See you in 2021. Undecided

You really believe in this? BTC crashed already and this is incredible low price for BTC. At 4k usd per BTC miners already working in loss. So much low price not possible. And big investors started accumulate their bags already.

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December 02, 2018, 10:50:47 AM
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As BTC crashes to the ground for the next two years, then and only then real institutional money will come into play.
Maybe that's why ETH is taking it's time.

See you in 2021. Undecided

You really believe in this? BTC crashed already and this is incredible low price for BTC. At 4k usd per BTC miners already working in loss. So much low price not possible. And big investors started accumulate their bags already.

In these days everyone is in try to show his skills to make panic weak hands. I am also agreed with this is the bottom for crypto and there is no more space to go more down from current level. I think this rally is about to start soon.
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December 02, 2018, 11:03:15 AM
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You really believe in this? BTC crashed already and this is incredible low price for BTC. At 4k usd per BTC miners already working in loss. So much low price not possible. And big investors started accumulate their bags already.

Yes my friend, I really believe it, else I wouldn't have written it.
And indeed, miners are working at a loss ATM, half of them turning their equipment off, and shorting everything for a brighter day. Wink
The other half are either sleeping or have free energy.

If I've accumulated something over the last few years, is that anything is possible.
It's crypt-o-mage-don. Few will survive through this, only to make room for the true believers.
Big investors are only preparing the ground, they are not here yet IMHO. They pretend to fill bags - driving the price down at the same time - and of course not hodling.
BTW, I'm a true believer.

In these days everyone is in try to show his skills to make panic weak hands. I am also agreed with this is the bottom for crypto and there is no more space to go more down from current level. I think this rally is about to start soon.

We will just have to wait and see mate - needless to say that the above is only my speculation  Grin
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December 02, 2018, 11:04:58 AM
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In these days everyone is in try to show his skills to make panic weak hands. I am also agreed with this is the bottom for crypto and there is no more space to go more down from current level. I think this rally is about to start soon.

Well things like that have been said for the last 5 dumps now, so that means nothing.
Maybe a rally starts maybe we will see another crash.. who knows.

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December 02, 2018, 01:15:38 PM
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Woah, package increase for 2019? waiting for that day. Interesting chart so that means that we'll having that impact for the market as a whole.
That means ETH is 0.1 BTC. That is a good achievement.
1 eth = 0.1 btc is achievable but the value, let's see but I'm hoping for it.

It seems everybody gonna rich by next year who are taking risk in current situation while it looking terrible at moment. There are so many prediction for next rally but I don't think 0.10 BTC will happen for each ETH it will remain around 0.08 BTC.
Just endure this bear market and hold until you can. Can't wait for that time when I'm ready to harvest my eth profits though this year has been truly rought for everyone.
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December 02, 2018, 01:19:11 PM
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As BTC crashes to the ground for the next two years, then and only then real institutional money will come into play.
Maybe that's why ETH is taking it's time.

See you in 2021. Undecided

You really believe in this? BTC crashed already and this is incredible low price for BTC. At 4k usd per BTC miners already working in loss. So much low price not possible. And big investors started accumulate their bags already.

in the Irkutsk region in Russia electricity costs 1 cent for the population and 3 cents for companies https://icerockmining.io/en.html
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December 02, 2018, 02:05:53 PM
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Now the bulk of the projects, after the end of the ico, are trying to sell all their Eth, and this is the main factor that pulls the coin down.

Ethereum can fall below 100 dollars, and frankly frightens me.I don't understand why investors give up the ethereum network.

I think most of the investors are still holding their ETHs because it would we really dumb to sell at this price. I suspect we are at this price because of some ICOs cashing out
In addition to investors, many ICO projects still hold Coins and wait. If all the ICO are sold, it will crash. But there is still hope.
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December 02, 2018, 02:51:04 PM
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demand for Bukkt are already full, we are waiting for a big growth
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December 02, 2018, 06:15:22 PM
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demand for Bukkt are already full, we are waiting for a big growth

you mean Fukkt  there buddy  Shocked
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December 02, 2018, 06:16:34 PM
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As BTC crashes to the ground for the next two years, then and only then real institutional money will come into play.
Maybe that's why ETH is taking it's time.

See you in 2021. Undecided

You really believe in this? BTC crashed already and this is incredible low price for BTC. At 4k usd per BTC miners already working in loss. So much low price not possible. And big investors started accumulate their bags already.

in the Irkutsk region in Russia electricity costs 1 cent for the population and 3 cents for companies https://icerockmining.io/en.html
Yeah but the mafia share costs 10 cents so your equation is not right.
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December 02, 2018, 06:18:34 PM
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http://time2save.ru/articles/tarify-na-elektroenergiyu-dlya-srednih-predpriyatiy-v-2018
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December 02, 2018, 06:20:44 PM
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As BTC crashes to the ground for the next two years, then and only then real institutional money will come into play.
Maybe that's why ETH is taking it's time.

See you in 2021. Undecided

You really believe in this? BTC crashed already and this is incredible low price for BTC. At 4k usd per BTC miners already working in loss. So much low price not possible. And big investors started accumulate their bags already.
Indeed, such a low price should not be, at least for a long time. Everything is interdependent, mining is not profitable - there is no mining, there is no mining - there is no Bitcoin network.

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December 02, 2018, 07:12:26 PM
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As a reader, programmer and researcher, I can sit here all day and destroy the idiots and the obvious bullshit in this thread, as most should be able tell, is just promotion and investment based talk.

The obvious sign would be that the "for" crowd don't have a point or clarity in anything they say, yet they're literally minute by minute announcers of promises and good news, while failing miserably on even the basics that are not investment based arguments. Eth makes penny stock traders look like princesses.
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December 02, 2018, 07:20:42 PM
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You shouldn't make a statement and ask the same question right after. It looks weak, usually people who write one or two words asking for proof in a forum don't know much. Proof is something you can find on your own by reading and studying, I'm not here to help the lazy or prepare you a report.


False. You have any proof?
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December 02, 2018, 07:58:53 PM
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As BTC crashes to the ground for the next two years, then and only then real institutional money will come into play.
Maybe that's why ETH is taking it's time.

See you in 2021. Undecided

You really believe in this? BTC crashed already and this is incredible low price for BTC. At 4k usd per BTC miners already working in loss. So much low price not possible. And big investors started accumulate their bags already.

I don't think they are mining at a loss in every country as some countries have very low energy prices.


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December 02, 2018, 10:13:33 PM
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This is a full raging bear market my friends. Don't stand on the way of this freight train. I would short ethereum if  Iwere you. Eth is dead until further notice.

Mate, they will have big update in the beginning of net year. As I know they going to launch hard fork in January with some existed updates and improvements. And with Bakkt and Fidelity launch at almost same time ETH can grow till few thousands  Roll Eyes
Bakkt and Fidelity means the institutional traders will dump eth to $1 so they can buy cheap. It always makes me laugh when people with zero trading experience claim that this will bring prices up. What a joke!!! More exchanges (bakkt fidelity) means more liquidity = LOWER PRICES, NOT higher prices!!! The crypto community is so full of fools it's unbelievable!

Positive events are coming, I join you and also believe that many people are waiting for this. Now we can observe how big changes will occur. I am glad that I am part of this.
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I don't think they are mining at a loss in every country as some countries have very low energy prices.

Good point. China for example:

https://www.asiacryptotoday.com/chinese-mining-fud-manipulation-vs-the-real-situation/

So still in the green right?
You need TOTALLY FREE power in the rest of the world, to even try to compete with China.
But it is not only a matter of electricity.

Taking as a fact that Chinese ASIC manufacturers trash & upgrade their equipment every 6 months or so, and taking also into account that if you go for the latest & fastest BTC miner on the market ATM - EBIT E11++ 44TH/S, 45W/T, 10nm chip DW1228 - and forgetting about purchasing costs, we have: Delivery time is Feb 15, 2019.

http://miner.ebang.com.cn/goods-15.html

Hold on. Didn't we just read in the previous article that - & I quote: "Rigs have evolved from 100nm to 7nm which has led to huge increases in efficiency."  Shocked
Oh yes, here it is:
https://shop.bitmain.com/product/detail?pid=00020181107195820131prWuuVTy0738
Estimated shipping: Dec.20-31
And last but not least: "The Antminer S15 has just been confirmed to have an estimated hashrate of 28 TH/s and power consumption of 1596 W"
https://mineable.com/bitmain-just-announced-their-new-7nm-miners-antminer-s15-t15-overview-hashrate-profitability/
Total bollocks.

So, selling their outdated hardware, trashing the even older ones, whilst keeping the best ones for themselves & repeat.
Do the maths, China is the only TRUE profitable player in the Bitcoin/ASIC/mining industry. Always has been.

Better off trading (buying cheap of course), hodling & sparing us the hassle.
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December 03, 2018, 01:39:15 AM
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If I've accumulated something over the last few years, is that anything is possible.
It's crypt-o-mage-don. Few will survive through this, only to make room for the true believers.


A realistic, if very unpopular view. There is still a lot of hope around, and this bear market has a lot of work to do.

Could be another 2 years before the real recovery. I am not entirely convinced that institutional money will be entering at the lows however. More likely to be trend-following.
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December 03, 2018, 03:55:31 AM
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You shouldn't make a statement and ask the same question right after. It looks weak, usually people who write one or two words asking for proof in a forum don't know much. Proof is something you can find on your own by reading and studying, I'm not here to help the lazy or prepare you a report.


False. You have any proof?

I'm making an assertion while inviting you to counter it. Get over yourself.

Way to sidestep the whole thing though lol  Cheesy Cheesy

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