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January 25, 2014, 06:18:33 AM
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I won't give BFL any of my money unless Josh personally gives me a rim job first. Oh, that should also include a reach around and a slurpy tea bag.

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January 25, 2014, 06:20:43 AM
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I think in practice hardware wallets can't exactly work in such a way that you just buy a turnkey product right off the shelf in this manner. There is no way of knowing that the random number seeding isn't compromised in some way that allows the manufacturer to issue pre-determined private keys. As such you really can't trust a product like that any more than you might a web wallet that stores keys server-side.

The only way a product like this actually makes sense in my opinion as any kind of secure wallet is if the manufacturer produces the unit as a hardware platform with a completely open and documented API, and open-sources the software in such a way that you can confirm the checksum against an independently-compiled build, or where the process of initializing the device involves compiling yourself and loading the binaries directly onto the device.

I'm not tech savy enough to know if it meets the requirements you just listed, but what are your thoughts on trezor.  I believe they are open source.   http://www.bitcointrezor.com/

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January 25, 2014, 06:25:10 AM
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I think in practice hardware wallets can't exactly work in such a way that you just buy a turnkey product right off the shelf in this manner. There is no way of knowing that the random number seeding isn't compromised in some way that allows the manufacturer to issue pre-determined private keys. As such you really can't trust a product like that any more than you might a web wallet that stores keys server-side.

The only way a product like this actually makes sense in my opinion as any kind of secure wallet is if the manufacturer produces the unit as a hardware platform with a completely open and documented API, and open-sources the software in such a way that you can confirm the checksum against an independently-compiled build, or where the process of initializing the device involves compiling yourself and loading the binaries directly onto the device.

I'm not tech savy enough to know if it meets the requirements you just listed, but what are your thoughts on trezor.  I believe they are open source.   http://www.bitcointrezor.com/

Trezor is indeed open source, and looks excellent. Launch got delayed from October to January, which will probably turn to February, but as long as they deliver a solid product, all good. Not sure the price though?
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January 25, 2014, 06:55:03 AM
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I won't give BFL any of my money unless Josh personally gives me a rim job first. Oh, that should also include a reach around and a slurpy tea bag.

hahaha, I need a slurpy tea bag from josh too...
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February 25, 2014, 05:35:07 AM
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What I know about this is:

They were hoping to sell them for $40, but the E-Ink screen turned out to be so expensive that they'll likely have to sell it for $140.
The device will be waterproof, with the internal circuitry sprayed with a sealant. Hopefully this means that it can be safely washed in a washing machine (albeit accidentally).
They plan to include bluetooth, which will let it use your phone's 3G connection to broadcast bitcoin transactions instantly (no WiFi though).
Since this has both a screen to display QR codes, and a camera in the back, you will be able to do offline transactions without needing to be connected to the web. First device that gets a web connection will transmit all cached transactions (this is partially supported by Schildbach Android Wallet too btw).
There will be a MicroSD slot, which you can use for multi-sig. You can store private keys on different SD cards, and spending from a multi-sig address will require you to plug in all SD Cards that have the required private keys one at a time.
Blame this on me if I get this wrong, but estimated ready to sell time is by the end of Spring or some time this Summer.
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