Davey360
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January 27, 2014, 10:13:54 AM |
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I'm really sorry that happened to you  I don't know but I remember reading somewhere that if Bitcoins are obtained illegally, the bitcoin devs can disable those coins, is this true? At least the hacker wouldn't win anything with this. Anyways good luck friend. Apparently there is no justice in Bitcoin  Every hacker/scammer always runs away with their Bitcoins and they are never punished! |
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ZephramC
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January 27, 2014, 11:24:09 AM |
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I don't know but I remember reading somewhere that if Bitcoins are obtained illegally, the bitcoin devs can disable those coins, is this true? At least the hacker wouldn't win anything with this. Anyways good luck friend. Apparently there is no justice in Bitcoin Every hacker/scammer always runs away with their Bitcoins and they are never punished! That is wrong and I shall add fortunately. Devs can not disable or return the coins. This is one of the foundations of bitcoin and one of the reasons of its success. If there is a change that will allow devs (or government or law enforcements or mafia or public vote or whatever) to to this, I will migrate to the coin which supports "strong property" and many will do likewise. Although I sympathize with the OP, Bitcoins are build on the principle: Whoever owns the privkey, owns associated bitcoin balance. This is very important principle. Your only chance is to find the thief and force HIM (or HER or they) to transfer bitcoins back. No one can do this on behalf on him. In ideal case (thief is known and proofs are clear) police and law should help you to convince him. There are cases scammers were punished. |
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Sonny
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January 27, 2014, 11:44:00 AM |
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I don't know but I remember reading somewhere that if Bitcoins are obtained illegally, the bitcoin devs can disable those coins, is this true? At least the hacker wouldn't win anything with this. Anyways good luck friend. Apparently there is no justice in Bitcoin Every hacker/scammer always runs away with their Bitcoins and they are never punished! That is wrong and I shall add fortunately. Devs can not disable or return the coins. This is one of the foundations of bitcoin and one of the reasons of its success. If there is a change that will allow devs (or government or law enforcements or mafia or public vote or whatever) to to this, I will migrate to the coin which supports "strong property" and many will do likewise. Although I sympathize with the OP, Bitcoins are build on the principle: Whoever owns the privkey, owns associated bitcoin balance. This is very important principle. Can't agree more with you. |
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Sonny
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January 27, 2014, 11:47:51 AM |
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There are cases scammers were punished.
Some days ago, I read this thread "List of Major Bitcoin Heists, Thefts, Hacks, Scams, and Losses". https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=83794.0It seems to me, most (if not all) of those hackers and scammers are unpunished...  |
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jubalix
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January 27, 2014, 12:32:39 PM |
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this is the nightmare situation....I really feel for you....
have to invest in computer that never goes online and signs transactions.
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Klestin
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January 27, 2014, 05:39:38 PM |
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for anyone else concerned about losing their money I highly recommend the following free way to secure your wallet.
1) Install True Crypt on your PC/laptop and create an encrypted volume that is only mounted manually.
2) Install Virtual Box.
3) Create A Linux virtual machine inside the encrypted volume using a clean install of a popular distro (xubuntu etc) (I tried ubuntu but its a bitch to get working with Virtual box)
4) Install Armoury, Bitcoin Client, Litecoin etc into the linux virtual machine (whatever trusted wallets you want)
5) Create your encrypted/password protected armory, litecoin and other wallets inside the virtual machine.
6) do not use the virtual machine for anything other than Sending and receiving crypto transactions, do not install anything other than the bare essential tools you need and do not surf the internet with it.
from inside the virtual machine you should also be able to create a paper wallet for cold storage.
NOTE: you will need about 80gb of space if you want to store the entire bitcoin and litecoin blockchains inside a virtual machine.
when you are not using the virtual machine you can pause it (remembering to always Pause when the screen is locked) and dismount the encrypted volume.
if you want to back up all your money all you need to do is copy the encrypted volume to another PC or external HD and locate the backup far away from your PC (failsafe incase of fire/robbery etc)
this is the most secure way that I have found to protect your Coins while keeping them fairly accessible and safely backed up.
all the tools above are FREE. it only takes your time to learn how to use them properly.
and if you think its too much effort.. I would suggest that its probably not too much effort to secure a few thousand dollars worth of BTC which could be worth 10X that in the coming years.
A kelogger/remote control compromise will bypass this neatly. |
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cp1
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January 27, 2014, 05:44:33 PM |
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That's why you should install it on an unused computer or dual boot to a usb drive.
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alkaz
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January 27, 2014, 06:07:49 PM |
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sorry for your lost man |
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philipzhai (OP)
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January 27, 2014, 06:43:32 PM |
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Interesting! Thank you very much! You seem to be an expert on this. Then how can we communicate with KRUNIAC? Gratefully, Philip |
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crocko
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January 27, 2014, 06:45:10 PM |
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I need your help! I have 2 bitcoin-qt wallets, and yestarday one single transaction happened to both of my wallets and my 90 some BTCs were transferred out of my wallets. I don't know what happened and if it's possible to recover. The blockchain information is as follows: https://blockchain.info/tx/32d070a547e9d2cc2de4dc453cea27789bf33f1c983ffdc7f28ce3419e70c9d5On my wallet client software, in the transaction record column, the "address" shows a n/a, and the summary shows a double direction arrow. How can two wallets be made to transact at the same time with a single transaction? The two addresses are as follows: 1CLn42dHFuXAd7o9bgrsCRmfDvLavRoxTq 1H4esgi6KwhDtVXZXJ12AS7QEwdeQighn4 Is it possible to track down the thief and recover my lost? Truly, Philip hsszzm@mail.sysu.edu.cnHello ! Maybe there is a more simple explanation: another person accessed your PC and did this transaction of 90 BTC No keylogger, no Qt bug, only the human factor  |
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theonewhowaskazu
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January 27, 2014, 08:36:25 PM |
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1. Download electrum on an offline computer (ideally entirely offline, never-to-go-online-again, I use an old netbook I use as a calculator which I got for $100)
If you decide to use your old pc, you should have done disk formatting before installing electrum. No need, if the machine is offline. It can have trojans up the wazoo but if they can't talk to the controller, then they're useless. |
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cp1
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January 27, 2014, 08:39:50 PM |
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No need, if the machine is offline. It can have trojans up the wazoo but if they can't talk to the controller, then they're useless.
Unless it was really sneaky and inserted its own wallet.dat, so that you sent it your coins. |
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theonewhowaskazu
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January 27, 2014, 08:47:14 PM |
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No need, if the machine is offline. It can have trojans up the wazoo but if they can't talk to the controller, then they're useless.
Unless it was really sneaky and inserted its own wallet.dat, so that you sent it your coins. Ok, fine, that's a point. But just for the sake of counterpoint, the wallet can be derived from the seed. So, if simply check that the seed leads to that private key, you should be fine. |
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knedle
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January 27, 2014, 08:52:36 PM |
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Unfortunatelly "be your own bank" also means taking care of security, because otherwise that "non reversible bitcoin transactions" feature screws you bad.
If I were you I would report it as cyber crime and hope for the best.
Also, since it was a lot of money and you would probably be willing to invest some money in order to get that bastard, think about contacting and paying an investigator.
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cp1
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January 27, 2014, 09:01:21 PM |
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No need, if the machine is offline. It can have trojans up the wazoo but if they can't talk to the controller, then they're useless.
Unless it was really sneaky and inserted its own wallet.dat, so that you sent it your coins. Ok, fine, that's a point. But just for the sake of counterpoint, the wallet can be derived from the seed. So, if simply check that the seed leads to that private key, you should be fine. Sure, but if they insert their own seed... And then there's the ultrasonic magic communication the NSA does... Just reformat  But then there's the low level bios... Better to build it from scratch, get a CPU fab shop in your garage |
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BitchicksHusband
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January 27, 2014, 10:51:11 PM
Last edit: January 27, 2014, 11:02:06 PM by BitchicksHusband |
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This is the thief's address:
16CLrCq8c1M8qsCYNP5r21AejMWUgZS7uk
Let's keep hunting!
Starting from that address, which has now a balance of 0 BTC, if you follow all the transactions involving the money, you will go through numerous addresses which in turn sent the whole amount (thus remaining with a 0 balance) to the next one. Why is that? @ OP: why did you wait almost 2 days to report the theft? the money is actually going down bcos they are spending it... spent coins are even harder to trace... theres only 48 BTC left https://blockchain.info/address/1MWkEYti5YjspJmnWY1r48Tj9kQjgPUtxGActually, they would be easier to trace. If, for instance, they spent the coins at Overstock.com, you could subpoena them to find the shipping address. The police could track the thief pretty quickly at that rate. You could also subpoena KRUNIAC on the forums here to get IP addresses that he posts from. |
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theonewhowaskazu
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January 27, 2014, 11:33:25 PM |
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No need, if the machine is offline. It can have trojans up the wazoo but if they can't talk to the controller, then they're useless.
Unless it was really sneaky and inserted its own wallet.dat, so that you sent it your coins. Ok, fine, that's a point. But just for the sake of counterpoint, the wallet can be derived from the seed. So, if simply check that the seed leads to that private key, you should be fine. Sure, but if they insert their own seed... And then there's the ultrasonic magic communication the NSA does... Just reformat But then there's the low level bios... Better to build it from scratch, get a CPU fab shop in your garage Look, all you need is a log-free, virus-free, ultrasonic magic communication-free, SHA calculator, along with hopefully a random number generator (although random numbers can be generated "manually" if need be). That can be an old computer, whatever. I still think in the future there will be dedicated hardware that physically CAN'T get a virus, though. |
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cp1
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January 28, 2014, 12:36:55 AM |
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Look, all you need is a log-free, virus-free, ultrasonic magic communication-free, SHA calculator, along with hopefully a random number generator (although random numbers can be generated "manually" if need be). That can be an old computer, whatever. I still think in the future there will be dedicated hardware that physically CAN'T get a virus, though.
Yep, that's exactly the Trezor. |
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theonewhowaskazu
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January 28, 2014, 12:56:46 AM |
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Look, all you need is a log-free, virus-free, ultrasonic magic communication-free, SHA calculator, along with hopefully a random number generator (although random numbers can be generated "manually" if need be). That can be an old computer, whatever. I still think in the future there will be dedicated hardware that physically CAN'T get a virus, though.
Yep, that's exactly the Trezor. Yes, except that one is just a first generation type thing. I think that these chips could be built directly into USBs, Credit Cards, Phones, or even just Computers. There can't be a significant overhead to making a simple SHA2 calculator chip. |
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