[staff] xandry: may I ask an explanation? Response received!

[mdayonliner]

You're talking about disrespect above. That is what I'm trying to say: there's no disrespect here. Most likely he just doesn't have an opportunity to be informed.

I see. Ok, you have a point now and I understand it. Thank you for pointing out.

I just wanted to say that expectation could be very long and it's unlikely to be reduced by bumping. All the rest is up to you.

I have no problem in waiting... Let's see how it goes.

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[mdayonliner]

archived

This is my post in my thread.
Original.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4445021.msg40138293#msg40138293

Glad to see you here mate, the PM sender already mentioned your name to me. As you can see from the conversation I do not have the right to disclose his/her user information.

[digaran]

I have a bad news for OP, you are not in a position to "call out" moderators and ask them questions like this. theymos has already seen this topic and the rest is on him to decide what to do with his mod. you said what you wanted to say and admins know it as well.

[mdayonliner]

I have a bad news for OP, you are not in a position to "call out" moderators and ask them questions like this.

Why? What I do not have here? Do I have to have a special privileged member to find things. I do not need special treat. Thank you.

theymos has already seen this topic and the rest is on him to decide what to do with his mod.

Did s/he tell you in person or this is another one of your great great ideas that you create come up with often?

[digaran]

Why? What I do not have here? Do I have to have a special privileged member to find things. I do not need special treat. Thank you.

No you are actually not in a position to call out moderators like this, you can only call out theymos and present your evidence for him to take action, what you are doing is theymos's job, he is the one who should ask these questions not you. this is the red line of this forum which you are trying to cross, if you see me doing the calling out, that's because I expect DT members to be fair and not take their own sides and toss the rest of the people away.

What you need to know is that theymos reads almost every single thread on meta especially where mods are involved, so it is safe to say that he has already seen this topic.

[mdayonliner]

if you see me doing the calling out, that's because I expect DT members to be fair and not take their own sides and toss the rest of the people away.

First, stop pulling things to you, you are sounding like I am following your style? Come on D. Honestly speaking, I have no interest in your style or what you are doing in the forum.

No you are actually not in a position to call out moderators like this, you can only call out theymos and present your evidence for him to take action, what you are doing is theymos's job, he is the one who should ask these questions not you. this is the red line of this forum which you are trying to cross...

What logic you are trying to apply here? Sorry, this is another one of your senseless logic.

An admin do not need to call out anyone, means theymos can take action against anything just like this. Why s/he would bother to call out anyone? I am not doing anyone's job by calling out xandry.

I can ask question to anyone if I feel and see something is wrong so I am doing the same with xandry. Asking for an explanation because things are looking wrong here. If his/her action answer/s satisfy me then I will walk away and will give credits for his/her job, if I am not satisfied then I will leave it to the community and most provably present theymos my facts to take action against xandry. Rest will be up to theymos coz it's his forum. He knows the best things needed to be done for the forum.

What you need to know is that theymos reads almost every single thread on meta especially where mods are involved, so it is safe to say that he has already seen this topic.

Safe to say and confirmed saying are two different things Mr. self declared, no case won yet, certificate less lawyer.

this is the red line of this forum which you are trying to cross...

You still have not yet developed a sense (sorry, i am judging you from your history here) to understand red line, yellow line stuffs LOL

[ToTheMoon_XOM9IK]

A nod’s as good as a wink to a blind horse. Xandry, there's no place you can hide... 

[mdayonliner]

A nod’s as good as a wink to a blind horse. Xandry, there's no place you can hide... 

All I am after is, a valid explanation from xandry and I really hope the explanation will make proper sense to at-least some of the members if not everyone.

[Steamtyme]

Honestly I don't really have an issue with Merit being given for posts being reported. I don't think that every report needs to be merited.

I also don't think xandry has to explain themselves to any of us. They would have to explain themselves to theymos, and they may or may not make those conversations public.

I'm hoping that this system will increase post quality by:
 - Forcing people to post high-quality stuff in order to rank up. If you just post garbage, you will never get even 1 merit point, and you will therefore never be able to put links in your signature, etc.
 - Highlighting good posts with the "Merited by" line.

While we will not be directly moderating this, I encourage people to give merit to posts that are objectively high-quality, not just posts that you agree with.

So here is the thing theymos has given their thoughts on how they would like the program to proceed but in no way has laid out a clear/cut line on how to do so. From what I've seen theymos prefers to leave things unregulated but with some boundaries. There are also a ton of Merits that have been granted and not just in the first few care free fun days to objectively low-quality posts; or as a Hi five Bro!

Can't say I frequent the Russian board as it would all be Greek to me, but if this has improved the overall quality of the board then great. If it cleans up garbage and leaves quality posts in place, all the better.

[AverageGlabella]

"calling out" is probably the wrong thing to put in the title. It suggests that Xandry has done something wrong which he has not.

@Steamtyme

That is exactly why theymos will not be having a word with Xandry. He said it himself that the merit system is not moderated and he can't do anything if someone decides to merit a post or not.

[mdayonliner]

"calling out" is probably the wrong thing to put in the title. It suggests that Xandry has done something wrong which he has not.

May be you are right, I am having a feeling that it's more aggressive. I changed the title with more polite statement. Thank you for pointing out nicely.

I also don't think xandry has to explain themselves to any of us.

Ok so... taking it as an encouragement (since this is something coming from staff, highly reputable personal for this forum, right?), what if everyone of us starts creating an ANN to reward the reporter (that's what it seems) with 1 merit? Would you think it will look nice? The whole beauty of the merit system is going to be ruined IMO.

So here is the thing theymos has given their thoughts on how they would like the program to proceed but in no way has laid out a clear/cut line on how to do so.

May be s/he trusted our common sense however I think there should be a very clean clear guideline of spending sMerits. Thing is if we use common sense then we do not need the guideline. Of-course we can not expect everything to go 100% right. No one is perfect.

[Steamtyme]

I also don't think xandry has to explain themselves to any of us.

Ok so... taking it as an encouragement (since this is something coming from staff, highly reputable personal for this forum, right?), what if everyone of us starts creating an ANN to reward the reporter (that's what it seems) with 1 merit? Would you think it will look nice? The whole beauty of the merit system is going to be ruined IMO.

Joel_Jantsen's Merit Distribution Thread (Newbies Welcome)

So do you have a problem with this thread, which has been helpful in cleaning up the forum. With merit being a system I don't think there is any "beauty" to it. This would be the closest thing to beauty associated with the merit system in my opinion, objectively because I like the pattern.

So here is the thing theymos has given their thoughts on how they would like the program to proceed but in no way has laid out a clear/cut line on how to do so.

May be s/he trusted our common sense however I think there should be a very clean clear guideline of spending sMerits. Thing is if we use common sense then we do not need the guideline. Of-course we can not expect everything to go 100% right. No one is perfect.

Perfection is definitely an unattainable aspiration; and not something this system can be. So in the end as long as the merits being given out in some way better the forum; make it rain.

In this case with no harm befalling anyone, the ends justify the means.

[mdayonliner]

Joel_Jantsen's Merit Distribution Thread (Newbies Welcome)

Your sense really says that both cases are similar? Seriously! Dude do me a favor, instead of advocating for xandry, why not you knock him/her and ask to just give a feedback on this post? May be a statement which says s/he and theymos had an understanding on this issue whatever it is, just a satisfactory answer from  xandry can close all these illusions.

bump

[Jet Cash]

Merit is intended to be a rwward for making good posts.
Reporting posts is not "making good posts"
It is an abuse of the merit system for a mod to use merits to pay people to do his job.

[mdayonliner]

Merit is intended to be a rwward for making good posts.
Reporting posts is not "making good posts"
It is an abuse of the merit system for a mod to use merits to pay people to do his job.

Correct and it should be a common sense however seems like the mod/staff xandry do not have any interest to give us a clue of his thinking at all. Am I asking an illogical explanation?

Ps: I am/will gladly waiting for his/her response in this topic.

[Jet Cash]

You won't get an explanation. It's obvious that he is aware that his behavious is contrary to forum policy, and his lack of respnse would tend to indicate that he doesn't want to discuss it. His actions were probably done with the best of intentions, and an ethical man would apologise for his misunderstanding.

[mdayonliner]

You won't get an explanation. It's obvious that he is aware that his behavious is contrary to forum policy, and his lack of respnse would tend to indicate that he doesn't want to discuss it. His actions were probably done with the best of intentions, and an ethical man would apologise for his misunderstanding.

Well s/he is not stopping his/her same activities either so, I am not sure what's in his/her mind or stand in the issue.

Merit history:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=382413
http://loycevsbasement.privatedns.org/Merit/history/382413.html
Archive
Thanks to LoyceV's tools.

You won't get an explanation.

- Let's hope you are wrong
I am a very stubborn one. I will keep bumping the post for an explanation until I leave the forum for good.  

[Jet Cash]

Lazy mods abusing the merit system are a kick in the teeth for responsible merit sources.

[mdayonliner]

Lazy mods abusing the merit system are a kick in the teeth for responsible merit sources.

Did you visit your dentist lately? 😀

[mdayonliner]

Russian know-how
Recommendations for reporters from the moderator

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4538939.0

Seems like they manage a report spreadsheet or what?

1. Do not send reports to yourself...
2. Do not send reports...
3. No need to send reports...
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