[staff] xandry: may I ask an explanation? Response received!

[Jet Cash]

This thread is getting worse, and it is not helping the image of Russians. The Russians that I've known have been hard working and intelligent. Telling them not to report themselves, or to submit blank reports makes them look stupid. If that is really the mental level of the reporters, then the last thing we want is to give them any merits.

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[xtraelv]

I think it is fair to say that the Russian moderator is not interested in responding to this thread.

I personally have no objection to using merit being used for any method that makes the forum better. Including as rewards to reduce spam.

In the interest of fairness to him I sent a message to him in Russian pointing to this thread.

« Sent to: xandry on: June 23, 2018, 10:49:54 AM »

Пpивeт !
мoжeтe ли вы пocмoтpeть нa этo, пoжaлyйcтa
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4330297.0
Я плoxo гoвopю пo-pyccки

No reply but my post on exchange account phishing in the Russian language section that was there since June 2, has since been mysteriously deleted. (I received no email to say it was deleted)
(Was in the correct section, it was translated and checked by a native Russian speaker and it was a translation of my own original work)

Quite possibly just co-incidence but I think the messenger just got shot.

.....limping back to my corner....

Edit: I was wrong - it was co-incidence

[esmanthra]

was translated and checked by a native Russian speaker

Was translated and checked so incredibly, that moderator (not xandry - another one) considered it as translation via automated tools (violation of p.27)?:)

[xtraelv]

was translated and checked by a native Russian speaker

Was translated and checked so incredibly, that moderator (not xandry - another one) considered it as translation via automated tools (violation of p.27)?

http://archive.today/SVeMc was the post.

Was translated for me by a Russian. It was an attempt to prevent phishing. (Russians are particularly targeted by phishing because it is difficult for them to report it to authorities)

[esmanthra]

http://archive.today/SVeMc was the post

I'm afraid you were deceived. It actually is the automated translation.

[xtraelv]

http://archive.today/SVeMc was the post

I'm afraid you were deceived. It actually is the automated translation.

I'm not good in Russian so I cannot comment on whether it is grammatically correct.
He did it for free to help so I don't feel deceived.

When I compare it between google translate and the post it is very different.

Maybe someone can do a better translation and post it on the Russian forum to prevent phishing. (like theyoungmillionaire kindly did for me on the Filipino forum)
(I can provide the links and images to make it easier)

[ToTheMoon_XOM9IK]

Yes. well, it's a new thing we're doing...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2775292.0 

[Xal0lex]

There are a lot of reporters in the Russian thread.

In the English thread no less.

Therefore, the moderator cares about the correctness of the reports

What's bad about it?

This thread is the training of reporters

In the English thread, too, there is a topic for the training of reporters. Why nobody is indignant?

Telling them not to report themselves, or to submit blank reports makes them look stupid.

And what if they send such reports? Users sending reports to their posts. It's wrong. Therefore, a topic with recommendations for reporters was created. So they don't make such mistakes. What's wrong with that? And nobody does them silly.

Yes. well, it's a new thing we're doing...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2775292.0  

Wrestling with plagiarism is it bad? Xtraelv - are you against the fight against plagiarism? In the English thread don't struggle with plagiarism? In the English thread respect plagiarists? WOW

[xandry]

Hello everyone. First of all: thanks to all who have explained my point of view in this thread. I have read this thread only today, thanks to user ToTheMoon_XOM9IK which has openly shown discontent in identification of plagiarism.

Really, gradually reducing for quite some time now I have stopped give merits for explanation of rules, who sends reports, because as a result I had concerns that this could not be used correctly and such way to receive merit would become too easy, and also it isn't clear for many other users. However, rewarded messages were really useful and often violators removed a cause of infringement.

Next part...

Yes. well, it's a new thing we're doing...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2775292.0 

Ok, this is good thread like Mod, please check new plagiarism: Reporting copy/pasting, please permban from LoyceV. You can explain what isn't pleasant to you?

[nakamura12]

Hello everyone. First of all: thanks to all who have explained my point of view in this thread. I have read this thread only today, thanks to user ToTheMoon_XOM9IK which has openly shown discontent in identification of plagiarism.

Really, gradually reducing for quite some time now I have stopped give merits for explanation of rules, who sends reports, because as a result I had concerns that this could not be used correctly and such way to receive merit would become too easy, and also it isn't clear for many other users. However, rewarded messages were really useful and often violators removed a cause of infringement.

Next part...

Yes. well, it's a new thing we're doing...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2775292.0 

Ok, this is good thread like Mod, please check new plagiarism: Reporting copy/pasting, please permban from LoyceV. You can explain what isn't pleasant to you?

I agree, by using using report to mods may be abused by creating alt accounts to report to mod and get merit. If I am to be questioned I would agree with your terms on how you give your merits as long as it's for the forum. Giving merit for helping moderating thread is not bad for bitcointalk but as a moderation of the thread to be responsible to the thread itself

[xandry]

This user has used your trust.
What will happen to such further?

I have noticed him too. I can't take away merits so he remains with the same rights as well as other users.

[ToTheMoon_XOM9IK]

Really, gradually reducing for quite some time now I have stopped give merits for explanation of rules, who sends reports, because as a result I had concerns that this could not be used correctly and such way to receive merit would become too easy, and also it isn't clear for many other users. However, rewarded messages were really useful and often violators removed a cause of infringement.

I get it. In fact, I think this conversation is over.

[xtraelv]

Wrestling with plagiarism is it bad? Xtraelv - are you against the fight against plagiarism? In the English thread don't struggle with plagiarism? In the English thread respect plagiarists? WOW

It was deleted for being a machine translation. You will notice that I corrected my post in this thread a while back. I have no issues with the deletion of posts that are substandard. The Russian moderators do a very good job.
It was definitely not plagiarism - since I am the author of the English version.

I don't want to break forum rules - I only want to prevent phishing.

I was sad that my well intentioned post was deleted but I now understand fully why it was deleted. I don't disagree with the reason and taikuri13 has very kindly done a new translation for me and PM'd it to me. (Including having checked it here: https://text.ru/antiplagiat/empty) The previous translation was done for me by another user on this forum ( who kindly had translated it for me but not to the standard required for the Russian forum ).

Xal0lex - I do not have any issues with the methods used in the Russian forum and have previously defended the methods used. (Including using merits to reward reporters) . The reasons I like the Russian forum - I find the standard of posts there good, highly organised, great humor and often find information there that is not available in the English forum. I definitely did not intend to cause offence.

My only comment is that for a non native speaker - it is hard to recognize when something is not to an adequate standard.

[Jannat76]

Another stuff making fun by Sending merit that he has a responsibility to make him a full member
merit sender  dbshck Received Merit  kaisa

Merit HIstory https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=1186242

[xtraelv]

Another stuff making fun by Sending merit that he has a responsibility to make him a full member
merit sender  dbshck Received Merit  kaisa

Merit HIstory https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=1186242

Nothing looks wrong with their merit history. That staff member is probably a merit source and the member getting the merit is making good posts.

[mdayonliner]

Thank you xandry for your time and finally to notice the topic. I have been trying to get your attention on this topic since the day I have created it, Even I sent you a PM. It took long however, I am happy that ultimately I had you here.

...now I have stopped give merits for explanation of rules, who sends reports, because as a result I had concerns that this could not be used correctly and such way to receive merit would become too easy, and also it isn't clear for many other users....

It's not impossible to earn merit by creating good contents, engaging in conversations, by being to the point. I have no doubt that the idea of yours (there is a reason for you to be a staff) had good intentions however it was too easy to misuse by the members and they in fact took that advantage. Here you have some data.

I encourage people to give merit to posts that are objectively high-quality, not just posts that you agree with.

The spirit of the whole idea of merit is to encourage users to create good contestants, contents that a relatively high-quality.

[chimk]

This story is not over.
EPILOGUE.
1. In the Russian section there is a professional copy-paste .
inbizin .
2. Inbizin teaches to write copy-paste , and buy merit.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818398.msg28954596#msg28954596
http://archive.today/2jdwx

лaйфxaк: гyглишь cтaтью 1000+ cимвoлoв нa oкoлoкpиптoвyю тeмaтикy, кoпипacтишь, пoкyпaeшь мepиты в нee и нe дoкaпaтьcя Wink

3. Inbizin teaches you to buy merit and create multiple accounts.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818398.msg28970236#msg28970236
http://archive.today/Lr2wR

ничeгo мyтнoгo, кoпи бaбки нa мepит и\или клeпaй мyльтoв

4. inbizin gets 100 merit. Sender - xandry MODERATOR Russian section.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=1416871
5. inbizin holds competitions copy-paste. Sells? Gives me for a copy-paste.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3403073.msg35923589#msg35923589
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3403073.msg35891506#msg35891506
http://archive.today/xG4vU

Alex_Sr, Avikbch и humantraffic cyдя пo вceмy cкoпипacтили cвoи пocты из oднoгo иcтoчникa(мoжнo нaйти oбщиe cтpoки нaпиcaнныe cлoвo в cлoвo)
Пoдoждy eщe дo yтpa мoжeт ктo caм нaпишeт xopoшo ecли нeт тo пoбeдил пepвый

я нe имeю в видy 100% yникaльнocть, глaвнoe чтoбы был пpoцeнт yникaльнocти вышe чeм y дpyгиx


B кoнкypce кoпипacтoв пoбeдил Alex_Sr и  Avikbch пoлyчaeт мepит зa тo чтo cтapaлcя нaпиcaть caм.
Чacть пocтa Alex_Sr пpишлocь выpeзaть из зa oбъeмa и вcтaвил тyдa oпиcaниe oт Avikbch  Grin

6. inbizin a professional copy-paste became famous in the Russian section for plagiarism.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2775292.msg41079170#msg41079170
http://archive.today/aqSb0
7. Moderator xandry, delete the article, says WARNING.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2775292.msg41138684#msg41138684
http://archive.today/ecEik

Кoпипacтy yдaлил, нaдeюcь, тaкoгo бoльшe нe пoвтopитcя. У нeгo yжe ecть пpeдyпpeждeниe зa нapyшeниe пpaвил.

Morality. inbizin wants to buy merit, the moderator sends him a measure, inbizin Sells? gives the merit for copy-paste  . The moderator is WARNING. In the Russian section, everyone is silent, there is nobody to tell the truth. Conclusion: - merit fell into bad hands.
The Silence of the Lambs.
The end.

[xtraelv]

This story is not over.
EPILOGUE.
1. In the Russian section there is a professional copy-paste .
inbizin .
2. Inbizin teaches to write copy-paste , and buy merit.

-snip-

Morality. inbizin wants to buy merit, the moderator sends him a measure, inbizin Sells? gives the merit for copy-paste  . The moderator is WARNING. In the Russian section, everyone is silent, there is nobody to tell the truth. Conclusion: - merit fell into bad hands.
The Silence of the Lambs.
The end.

I'm not sure if that is the case. I read that post and thought it was sarcasm rather than "teaching".

So difficult to see as I am a non native limited speaker.

Every forum has trouble with people who are wolves in sheep clothing. They are good at pretending they are helping while they are just looking to gain merit so they can start signature spamming. While others appear to be annoying but actually make the forum a better place.

I spoke to Xal0lex and I am of the opinion that they work very hard and try their best to do the right thing for the forum. As a moderator on another site I am aware that moderators cannot please everyone all the time - no matter how good they are.

If someone is playing foolish games I am sure they eventually will get caught and get a ban.

Repeat offenders eventually get caught and offenders that stop offending are no longer a menace to society.

[mdayonliner]

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... now I have stopped give merits for explanation of rules, who sends reports, because as a result I had concerns that this could not be used correctly and such way to receive merit would become too easy, and also it isn't clear for many other users....

IMO since xandry acknowledged and realized that it was not a good idea then we should give him the honor (it's only how I see) to have a 2nd chance. In life we always make mistakes. No one is perfect.  

I will lock the topic in the next 24 hours. You are welcome to share your thoughts.

[mdayonliner]

I will lock the topic in the next 24 hours. You are welcome to share your thoughts.

Time for the topic to be locked. Response from xandry