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June 13, 2018, 07:20:26 PM
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I agree the government will try to get him for whatever they can so he could not reveal himself at any time.
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June 16, 2018, 02:20:22 AM
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I agree the government will try to get him for whatever they can so he could not reveal himself at any time.

http://bitcoinist.com/cia-doesnt-deny-files-bitcoin-creator-satoshi-nakamoto/

Just in the news today....

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I agree the government will try to get him for whatever they can so he could not reveal himself at any time.

http://bitcoinist.com/cia-doesnt-deny-files-bitcoin-creator-satoshi-nakamoto/

Just in the news today....

Not sure if they needed stylometry to identify SN. It would be easier to use XKeyScore and some 0-days I guess. They definitely could be interested in identifying SN at some point (maybe about this time: http://gawker.com/the-underground-website-where-you-can-buy-any-drug-imag-30818160 and https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Schumer-Calls-on-Feds-to-Shut-Down-Online-Drug-Marketplace-123187958.html )

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June 16, 2018, 12:08:43 PM
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Satoshi transcended to the next step in the evolution of Bitcoin, which is ALL Bitcoin users becoming the NEW Satoshi Nakamoto. WE are now Satoshi Nakamoto. It is our duty to hide his identity, because his identity is protecting our investment. Once his identity is revealed, all HELL will break lose.

Criminals will try to get their hands on his coins and governments will prosecute him for whatever reason they might conjure up to throw him in jail. People might be disappointed, once they realized who he/she is and they will dump their coins.  Roll Eyes

In my own understanding why we are suspecting Satoshi Makamoto doing fraud and conspiracies hes invention helps the world economy to grow his not forcing the community to adopt and used it our own self presented to joined this network upon joining this technology we don't know his real identity that means  his privacy remain  whatever the outcome of his invention successful or down we should respect him because we have a little share of his legacy.
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June 16, 2018, 12:13:19 PM
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The true identity of Satoshi Nakamoto is the main mystery of Bitcoin. And not only because the creator of the most successful currency experiment in the world remains anonymous after almost six years. Another reason is that the growth of bitcoin's price made him extremely rich.

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Have you reported this to CIA or the FBI already? That looks like very valuable information and it could help them find him. On the other hand, maybe you should try to delete all this information.

I think you are on the right path, but since Satoshi was the creator of bitcoin, and we all thank him for that so maybe we should try to not help in the discovery of his identity as a token of appreciation. If you don't let this one go, you will probably ruin bitcoin, Christmas and very important companies in our society. Some things are better left hidden.

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June 23, 2018, 01:18:45 AM
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Have you reported this to CIA or the FBI already? That looks like very valuable information and it could help them find him. On the other hand, maybe you should try to delete all this information.

I think you are on the right path, but since Satoshi was the creator of bitcoin, and we all thank him for that so maybe we should try to not help in the discovery of his identity as a token of appreciation. If you don't let this one go, you will probably ruin bitcoin, Christmas and very important companies in our society. Some things are better left hidden.

I think Santa is safe for now. Just remember that Kris Kringle has used pseudo-names for decades and the elves at the bitcoin foundation will keep him safe.

Besides:

Convicted fraudster Ronald Keala Kua Maria applied for the trademark of Bitcoin Cash, and calls himself Satoshi Nakamoto

Wants to charge 2% royalties for transactions over $800

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMahwybUUd4

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June 23, 2018, 01:38:33 AM
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There is a conspiracy on bitcointalk that Satoshis nakamoto was a member of this forum and set it up while going out of the forum. But I don't believe it.
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June 23, 2018, 03:01:02 AM
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More likely not a person due to the complexity of the code. AI makes sense complex computational power. Through deep learning AI controls financial resources feeds on broadness of blockchain to grow and expand.
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June 23, 2018, 03:39:17 AM
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There is a conspiracy on bitcointalk that Satoshis nakamoto was a member of this forum and set it up while going out of the forum. But I don't believe it.

More than a conspiracy. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3

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June 23, 2018, 03:42:59 AM
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I think its a name behind which involve many people possibly a team of genius people . Whatever Mr. Satoshi is a Ghost lol and should remain so .

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June 23, 2018, 03:46:40 AM
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More likely not a person due to the complexity of the code. AI makes sense complex computational power. Through deep learning AI controls financial resources feeds on broadness of blockchain to grow and expand.


I disagree. Everything is complex if you don't understand it.

People like Wei Dai, Adam Beck, Hal Finney, Gavin Andresen, Martti Malmi, and many others are all capable of understanding and developing the complexities of bitcoin.

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June 23, 2018, 03:48:48 AM
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What a detailed topic that complies about all the inquiries and question in every cryptonians specially those bitcoiners that looking for concrete answers.

Though its very related in every issues still no perfect answer to the question that Who's Satoshi Nakamoto but i resepct the mans Privacy and besides theres no enough words to thank him for bringing blockchain to us all
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June 23, 2018, 03:59:35 AM
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I am very curious of Satoshi Nakamoto because of his briiliant ideas of creating bitcoin but I dont know if he really does exist or not.I am amazed because through his great minds he contributed much to everyone.But due to unknown identity until now there are lots of people who claimed as him because they wanted to be famous or to scammed people.
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July 08, 2018, 06:38:12 AM
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Just discovered an interesting Theymos thread about the removed Satoshi posts:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=56272.msg669898#msg669898

I've also edited an earlier post in this thread and quoted Theymos.

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Who is Satoshi Nakamoto ?

Satoshi Nakamoto is a talented cipher and coder.
Wrote the whitepaper on bitcoin "Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System" and published it on the cypherpunks mailing list in October 2008
Developed the code for bitcoin and founded https://bitcointalk.org
He used an e-mail address and a web site that is untraceable.
In 2009 and 2010, he wrote hundreds of posts in flawless English.
He invited other software developers to help him improve the code, and corresponded with them,
He never revealed any personal details.
Stefan Thomas, a Swiss coder and active community member, graphed the time stamps for each of Nakamoto's bitcoin forum posts and found:
He made almost no posts between the hours of 5 a.m. and 11 a.m. Greenwich Mean Time.
In April, 2011, he sent a note to a developer saying that he had “moved on to other things.” He has not been heard from since.

His birthday is said to be on April 5, 1975 according to this post.
(But it is likely that he didn't select his real birth-date)

His writing is clean, with few typos.
He shows a high proficiency in English. Making very few mistakes.
After his first post, in which he used American spelling, he switched to English spelling for all the rest.



Quote from: satoshi
From: "Satoshi Nakamoto" <satoshi@anonymousspeech.com>
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 4:38 PM
To: "Wei Dai" <weidai@ibiblio.org>
Cc: "Satoshi Nakamoto" <satoshi@anonymousspeech.com>
Subject: Citation of your b-money page

I was very interested to read your b-money page.  I'm getting ready to
release a paper that expands on your ideas into a complete working system.
Adam Back (hashcash.org) noticed the similarities and pointed me to your
site.

I need to find out the year of publication of your b-money page for the
citation in my paper.  It'll look like:
[1] W. Dai, "b-money," http://www.weidai.com/bmoney.txt, (2006?).

You can download a pre-release draft at
http://www.upload.ae/file/6157/ecash-pdf.html  Feel free to forward it to
anyone else you think would be interested.

Title: Electronic Cash Without a Trusted Third Party

Abstract: A purely peer-to-peer version of electronic cash would allow
online payments to be sent directly from one party to another without the
burdens of going through a financial institution.  Digital signatures
offer part of the solution, but the main benefits are lost if a trusted
party is still required to prevent double-spending.  We propose a solution
to the double-spending problem using a peer-to-peer network.  The network
timestamps transactions by hashing them into an ongoing chain of
hash-based proof-of-work, forming a record that cannot be changed without
redoing the proof-of-work.  The longest chain not only serves as proof of
the sequence of events witnessed, but proof that it came from the largest
pool of CPU power.  As long as honest nodes control the most CPU power on
the network, they can generate the longest chain and outpace any
attackers.  The network itself requires minimal structure.  Messages are
broadcasted on a best effort basis, and nodes can leave and rejoin the
network at will, accepting the longest proof-of-work chain as proof of
what happened while they were gone.

Satoshi

Was Satoshi a good coder ?

It was pretty good: I'd give it a grade of B+. The worst problem was that there were only a few, huge files, but if you ignored that then it made a lot of sense. It was written in (then-)modern C++, clearly with a lot of care. It was clearly not written in a stream-of-consciousness manner. There were very few bugs that you could blame on lack of programming skill.

My personal suspicion in this area is that Satoshi was never (or not recently) a full-time programmer, but he was pretty familiar with computer science (maybe a student or academic?), and he'd read some comprehensive C++ book just before starting on Bitcoin, so he made full and correct usage of C++ features in a slightly messy way.


Someone hacked Satoshis email account to try and discover who he is:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2062951.0

There are websites dedicated to preserving the writings of Satoshi Nakamoto:
https://satoshi.nakamotoinstitute.org/
http://satoshinakamoto.me/
The Dai / Nakamoto Emails:
https://www.gwern.net/docs/bitcoin/2008-nakamoto

Satoshi Nakamoto translated (meaning) https://steemit.com/bitcoin/@decentro/satoshi-nakamoto-a-comprehensive-translation-of-an-enigma


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=399281.msg4336076#msg4336076

Lots of people have been suspected of being Satoshi:

People who corresponded with him have all been named as suspects:

‎Hal Finney, Martti Malmi,  Adam Back, Michael Marquardt, Gavin Andresen and Wei Dai.

But in doing so are we minimising those individuals own contribution to Bitcoin.
They may not be the founder but they are the apostles.

Bitcoin is a collaboration of efforts based on a combination of ideas all consolidated in this whitepaper
It was then executed by a group of individuals, both identified and anonymous.


Many threads with some compelling arguments have been made about it.

I'm not going to duplicate the theories but have instead provided the links to various theories on here:

People or organisations that have been suspected of being Satoshi:

Charles Bry, David Chaum, Neal J. King, Shinichi Mochizuki, John Nash, Tatsuaki Okamoto, Vladimir Oksman, Gavin Andresen, Andreas Antonopoulos, Peter Bachman, John Perry Barlow, Doug Barnes, Michel Bauwens, BCNext, Tim Berners-Lee, Jim Bell, Kay Bell, Tamas Blummer, Nicholas Bohm, S. Boxx, Stefan Brands, Eli Brandt, Greg Broiles, Patrick Byrne, Jan Camenisch, Arthur Chandler, Jim Choate, Igor Chudov, Bram Cohen, Nick Collision, Matt Corallo, Geoff Dale, Luke Dashjr, L.Detweiler, Whitfield Diffie, Ray Dillinger, Jamie Dinkelacker, James A. Donald, Dooglus, Barry Downey, Evan Duffield, Vincent Durham, Tony Eng, Dan Fabulich, Niels Ferguson, Paul Ferguson, Amos Fiat, Art Forz, Matthew Franklin, Patri Friedman, Curtis D. Frye, Tony Gallippi, Jeff Garzik, Matthew Gaylor, John Gilmore, David Gordon, James Orlin Grabbe, Ron Gross, Ashish Gulhati, Laszlo Hanyecz, Martin Hellman, Michael Hendrix, Eyal Hertzog, Robert A. Hettinga, Eric Hughes, Mike Ingle, David Irvine, Douglas Jackson, Victor K., Jeff Kane, Mark Karpeles, Sunny King, Steve Klingsporn, Con Kolivas,  Dave Krieger, Nick Lambert, Matthew B. Landry, Laurie Law, Charles/Charlie Lee, Vili Lehdonvirta, Hendrik Lenstra, Romana Machado, Michael Marquardt, Yossi Matias, Gregory/Greg Maxwell, Timothy C. May, Jed McCaleb, Stanton McCandlish, James McCarthy, Jim McCoy, Alfred J. Menezes, Perry E. Metzger, Jude Milhon, Max More, David Naccache, Daniel A. Nagy, Dorian Prentice Satoshi Nakamoto, Moni Naor, Satoshi Obana, Kazuo Ohta, Donald O'Mahony, Jackson Palmer, Torben Pedersen, Michael Peirce, Jean-Marc Piveteau, Naval Ravikant, Ben Reeves, Ron Rivest, Meni Rosenfeld, Nikolay Rozhok, Gary Rowe, Susan Sabett, Mayank Sahu, Steve Schear, Andreas Schildbach, Nils Schneider, Berry Schoenmakers, Adi Shamir, Carol Shaw, Charlie Shrem, Barry Silbert, Jerry Solinas, Markus Stadler, Bill Stewart, Patrick Strateman, Aaron Swartz, Amir Taaki, Yael Tauman, Hitesh Tewari, Will Thomas, Peter Todd, Zhou Tong, Dustin D. Trammell, Patrick P. Tsang,  Wladimir J. van der Laan, Thomas Vartanian, Roger Ver, Paul Vernon, Sebastiaan von Solms, Erik Voorhees, Michael Weber, Russell E. Whitaker, Zooko Wilcox-O’Hearn, Peter Wuille, Moti Yung, Phil Zimmerman, Haibin Zhang, Theymos, Marti Malmi , Hal Finney #1 , #2 ' Nick Szabo #1, #2, #3,Mike Hearn,Michael Clear,Dave Kleiman,Not Wright or Kleiman (good post), Craig Steven Wright #1, #2,Ross Ulbricht, Julian Assange,Wei Dai, Ben Laurie, Nick Szabo, Adam Back, Japanese mathematician Shinichi Mochizuki,#1, #2


Craig Steven Wright lawsuit by Dave Kleiman Estate
https://www.scribd.com/document/372445546/Bitcoin-Lawsuit (external link)

Private key for the GENESIS block hidden in these equations?



IBM, DARPA, Google

FBI, CIA, NSA, MI5, FSB, Mossad

YOU ?

Articles involving writing analysis:
Bootstrapped Gavin: Satoshi Nakamoto’s identity revealed!
Research on Satoshi Nakamoto identity

Forbes journalist, Andy Greenberg discovered that a man by the name of Dorian Nakamoto, (born Satoshi) was living only a few blocks from Hal Finney. (The man who received the first bitcoin transaction)



https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=769004.0 Dorian Nakamoto and Hal Finney



The impact was so adverse on Dorian Nakamoto that Andreas Antonopoulos ran a fundraiser for him.
Check fundraising address here: https://blockchain.info/address/1Dorian4RoXcnBv9hnQ4Y2C1an6NJ4UrjX  (Given to him in March 2014)

 Most comprehensive list of suspects.

Conspiracies:

Conspiracy theories
Gavin Andreson and the CIA killed Satoshi
Satoshi is an AI robot

Frauds:

a fake Satoshi replied
another fake Satoshi
"Satoshis spokesperson" -Miss Roselyn Hamilton
Craig Wright “Mr Fake”
Convicted fraudster Ronald Keala Kua Maria
Satoshi is writing a book
Paper: Duality: An excerpt

There is a theory that the name is made up of common industrial companies.



SA            TOSHi  NAKA        MOTO
Samsung Toshiba Nakamichi Motorola

If Satoshi Nakamoto wanted to be known by another identity it is up to him or her to make that move. It is clear from the writing that they were deeply concerned about privacy.

Here are the writings of the real Satoshi



https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/229qvr/happy_birthday_satoshi_nakamoto/


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=775174.0

The current most popular theory:

Satoshi Nakamotos' current github is showing a photo of Dave Kleiman
https://github.com/satoshinnakamoto




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Mr Wright has also demonstrated this verification in person to The Economist—and not just for block 9, but block 1. Such demonstrations can be stage-managed; and information that allows us to go through the verification process independently was provided too late for us to do so fully. Still, as far as we can tell he indeed seems to be in possession of the keys, at least for block 9. This assessment is shared by two bitcoin insiders who have sat through the same demonstration: Jon Matonis, a bitcoin consultant and former director of the Bitcoin Foundation, and Gavin Andresen
https://ftalphaville.ft.com/2016/05/02/2160632/oh-my-craig-wrights-keys-of-revelation/

This in combination to the claims made in the Dave Kleiman Estate lawsuit against Craig Wright makes Dave Kleiman the current most plausible suspect.

Craig Wright filed a motion to dismiss

But I'm still skeptical of the claim because it is reliant on Craig Wrights testimony. In my opinion he has a $54 million reason to lie.

Adresses debunked: https://blog.wizsec.jp/2018/02/kleiman-v-craig-wright-bitcoins.html

Has Craig Wright Committed Perjury? https://hackernoon.com/has-craig-wright-committed-perjury-new-information-in-the-kleiman-case-cbaaf2628e93

Wright claimed AU$54 million in tax rebates for R&D in 2014/15. That is a lot of motive for a hoax. https://www.businessinsider.com.au/the-australian-who-may-have-invented-bitcoin-claimed-to-have-landed-54m-in-taxpayer-funded-rebates-2015-12

Wrights own mother claims he has a habit of lying: http://archive.is/kjuLi#selection-1655.0-1655.94

Craig Wrights MtGox account also is not that of a "whale" https://np.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4hx3q9/according_to_the_mtgox_leaks_from_early_2014_our/

Wright also claimed to have a  PhD in computer science with Sydney's Charles Sturt University (CSU). But the university denied ever handing him a Phd.

Cybersecurity firm Wizsec dismisses the Wright claims on which the Kleiman lawsuit is based as "fantasy" https://blog.wizsec.jp/2018/02/kleiman-v-craig-wright-bitcoins.html

My conclusion:

I rather not know. I think the mystery makes it more intriguing. Some legends are better as legends. Like Merlin and Robin Hood.

Further reading:
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2011/10/10/the-crypto-currency



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Sources: UsernameBitcoin, AGD
SATOSHI NAKAMOTO the so called inventor and the owner of bitcoin , who so ever he is, first of all I like to thank him for his such a great invention because bitcoin in now a days is considered to be the boon for humanity and many has find Satoshi Nakamoto on many social networking sites like on Twitter or on Facebook where he use to interact with his users , though nobody has saw him yet but we all believe that he is there and once in my life I would like to meet him seriously.
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July 10, 2018, 10:47:07 AM
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Nice thread!
Herewith, some proof of work timestamps, for reference;

Verifying my (old) zero balance wallet address for blockchain research etc.,
- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4630066.0

Re: Satoshi is Back, suggests Fortune
- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4575874.msg41411073#msg41411073

...

some more proof of work ...

Re: Who is Satoshi Nakamoto ? Suspects, frauds and conspiracies.
- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4359615.msg38965734#msg38965734
Quote from: satoshi on July 14, 2010, 06:15:19 PM
Quote from: satoshi on July 15, 2010, 01:42:17 PM
Quote from: satoshi on July 15, 2010, 05:32:31 PM
Win32 CPU Cycles vs 'Live Protection' Engines ?
- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=35.0

Re: EARLY BITCOIN WALLET.DAT
- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1822045.msg18148803#msg18148803

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July 11, 2018, 10:13:12 PM
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Nice thread!
Herewith, some proof of work timestamps, for reference;

Verifying my (old) zero balance wallet address for blockchain research etc.,
- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4630066.0

Re: Satoshi is Back, suggests Fortune
- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4575874.msg41411073#msg41411073

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some more proof of work ...

Re: Who is Satoshi Nakamoto ? Suspects, frauds and conspiracies.
- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4359615.msg38965734#msg38965734
Quote from: satoshi on July 14, 2010, 06:15:19 PM
Quote from: satoshi on July 15, 2010, 01:42:17 PM
Quote from: satoshi on July 15, 2010, 05:32:31 PM
Win32 CPU Cycles vs 'Live Protection' Engines ?
- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=35.0

Re: EARLY BITCOIN WALLET.DAT
- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1822045.msg18148803#msg18148803

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The reason I made this thread was to consolidate the great information on the forum. Not by replicating it but by linking to it.
Another reason I made it was to stimulate some intelligent conversation and hopefully draw out some of the legends on here that were part of that history in the making.

I feel I have succeeded with all those objectives.

When seeing this - that is impressive:
https://i.imgur.com/J4tToO2.png - in case image doesn't load.


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Regards,

I've always thought the following is interesting in regards to Craig Wright and Dave Kleiman;
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_Steven_Wright

32. Wright, Craig; Kleiman, Dave; Sundhar R.S., Shayaam (2008). "Overwriting Hard Drive Data: The Great Wiping Controversy". In Sekar, R. Information Systems Security: 4th International Conference, ICISS 2008, Hyderabad, India, December 16–20, 2008, Proceedings. Springer Science & Business Media. p. 243.

Note that that paper is online at multiple sources along with the other guys c.v. / linkedin (which is continually beyond impressive; if you want a gov / big data / conspiracy / connection).  Cheesy

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33. Smith, Paul (27 February 2008). "Biometrics attracts few takers". CIO Magazine.   Tongue

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Additional: If anyone thinks that the creation of digital gold would unlikely attract the attention of (state?) actors and/or other different nefarious types; then just familiarize yourself with the history of it;
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_gold_currency

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July 12, 2018, 10:44:05 AM
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thank you for such a detail post summary about him. i still imagine that he's asian and middle age now but who knows.
I think Satoshi Nakamoto is a group living in Japan. Before, when I first invested in the cryptocurrency market, there were many people who told me they had met Satoshi in real life. But I guess Satoshi Nakamoto is just a myth
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