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July 12, 2018, 08:01:42 PM
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Once again, here are the gains on some GPUs for Lyra2Rev2 with CLE-215+

1060            2.11x
1070            1.71x
1070ti    1.60x
1080            1.56x
1080ti   1.39x
RX550   2.64x
RX560   3.35x
RX570   2.08x
RX580   1.85x

GTX1060 looks almost OK: 1.11x$290 (the cost of good GTX1060) = $320. GTX1070 and other low end AMD GPUs look kind of OK too (perhaps not RX580)

Otherwise (I am not looking at the electricity cost, that in my case is ~66c/kWh) all the other GPUs gains of hashing power do not justify the cost of CLE-215+ ($330).

GTX1080Ti (~$750) x 0.39 = $290

It is cheaper to get a new GPU than the boost by CLE-215+ is worth. The prices will be falling after the release of new Nvidia GPUs this Summer/Fall. On top of that, it is easier to sell a GPU.

Please correct my thinking! Please do.
I generally think that the era of GPU mining is over.
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July 12, 2018, 08:20:09 PM
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Once again, here are the gains on some GPUs for Lyra2Rev2 with CLE-215+

1060            2.11x
1070            1.71x
1070ti    1.60x
1080            1.56x
1080ti   1.39x
RX550   2.64x
RX560   3.35x
RX570   2.08x
RX580   1.85x

GTX1060 looks almost OK: 1.11x$290 (the cost of good GTX1060) = $320. GTX1070 and other low end AMD GPUs look kind of OK too (perhaps not RX580)

Otherwise (I am not looking at the electricity cost, that in my case is ~66c/kWh) all the other GPUs gains of hashing power do not justify the cost of CLE-215+ ($330).

GTX1080Ti (~$750) x 0.39 = $290

It is cheaper to get a new GPU than the boost by CLE-215+ is worth. The prices will be falling after the release of new Nvidia GPUs this Summer/Fall. On top of that, it is easier to sell a GPU.

Please correct my thinking! Please do.
I generally think that the era of GPU mining is over.

well  you are tossing out the power savings 139% hash increase and a 108%  power increase on the 1080ti has a different factor system then .39 x 750 = 290 but these don't look too good for 1080ti's on  Lyra2Rev2.

I do have some  1050ti's  and 1 215+ will do two  1050ti's

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July 12, 2018, 08:21:52 PM
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Staying on the 1060 track (9 of them in my rig, on risers of course), would a CLE-215 only make one 1060 double it's hashrate, selling 1.5 1060 to afford the CLE-215 sound like a daft deal.

But if a CLE-215 + 3x 1060 (in the mobo slots) would hash like 5x 1060 it starts to make some sense (complete guesswork). But for me that would mean build two new rigs and 3x CLE-215 to reach 15x 1060 hashrate.
Adding a 6x1060 rig to my current would be about the same cost (using $300 as a low end for an empty rig).

But if a CLE-215 could add some meaning on a 9x1060 rig with all GPUs on rises it would be an interesting experience, but so far I think that is a no-no due to poor bandwidth to the GPUs, the cheepo CPU is probably also a limitation.

In for decent examples of rig setups for the Acorns

Personally i don't care about the power efficiency since I can make use of the puny power (about 1KW) to heat my basement and thereby add to the house heating 8 months on the year.
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July 12, 2018, 08:27:40 PM
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The ROI sucks on these , much better off buying GPU’s instead of these acorns.  The fpga hype will soon be over once people realize that the benefits (hardly any) do not justify the cost.
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July 12, 2018, 08:32:37 PM
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is the performance increase only for one GPU or for the whole rig ?
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July 12, 2018, 08:44:31 PM
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Once again, here are the gains on some GPUs for Lyra2Rev2 with CLE-215+

1060            2.11x
1070            1.71x
1070ti    1.60x
1080            1.56x
1080ti   1.39x
RX550   2.64x
RX560   3.35x
RX570   2.08x
RX580   1.85x

GTX1060 looks almost OK: 1.11x$290 (the cost of good GTX1060) = $320. GTX1070 and other low end AMD GPUs look kind of OK too (perhaps not RX580)

Otherwise (I am not looking at the electricity cost, that in my case is ~66c/kWh) all the other GPUs gains of hashing power do not justify the cost of CLE-215+ ($330).

GTX1080Ti (~$750) x 0.39 = $290

It is cheaper to get a new GPU than the boost by CLE-215+ is worth. The prices will be falling after the release of new Nvidia GPUs this Summer/Fall. On top of that, it is easier to sell a GPU.

Please correct my thinking! Please do.
I generally think that the era of GPU mining is over.

well  you are tossing out the power savings 139% hash increase and a 108%  power increase on the 1080ti has a different factor system then .39 x 750 = 290 but these don't look too good for 1080ti's on  Lyra2Rev2.

I do have some  1050ti's  and 1 215+ will do two  1050ti's

I agree. I discarded the power savings (and I said so). In my case these would be 0.31x$0.66 =~$0.2/h for every kW used. One GTX1080Ti uses 0.25kWh so it is $0.05/h, which gives $36/month. I doubt that I will be loosing more on resale value of GTX1080Ti every month.
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July 12, 2018, 08:58:44 PM
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The ROI sucks on these , much better off buying GPU’s instead of these acorns.  The fpga hype will soon be over once people realize that the benefits (hardly any) do not justify the cost.

well  the 215+ says it can mine stand alone

I would be interested in  knowing what they can do stand alone.

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July 12, 2018, 09:02:42 PM
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I will not hesitate to buy this FPGA over a new GPU. Here's why:

Lets take the basic version (101), with mid range GPUs (1060 / 570) you double your hashrate for a very low power usage.

In my case instead of 330W (GPUs only) for 92MH/s ETASH (3,59W/MH), that should be 350W max for 120MH/s (2,92W/MH). That's around 20% global less power draw for the same efficiency.
Moreover, my system uses at max 465W (CPU + GPU mining) at the wall. If I add another 570, that's around 110 more watts, so 575W in total. My PSU being a 750W (platinum), that's a 76% constant load which is no good for long term reliability.

Just think that if you can double (we'll see what's announced) your HR with CN1 V7, on a vega 64 that means 4-4.1KH/s for less than 200W. 3 Vega 64 + 3 CLE 101 would give a wooping 12-12.5KH/s for 2800$ and less than 550W draw (14KH/s / 3600$ / 225W for the BCU 1525)....
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Now the mid range (215), this time we switch algo for X16R. An Acorn will be at 100% charge with 2 GPUs, with a minimum 100% global increase in performance for 30W(?) power draw. Instead of buying 2 GPUs and drawing a lot of power, ONE 215 gives the same perf for 1/5 of power draw, even with free electricity it's worth !! It's 50% cheaper than buying 2 RX 570s !

Even with a Vega 64 you double your hashrate for 299USD !! Cheapest Vega 64 is around 600€ where I live. Just the same, even with free electricity it's worth.


Now the 215+
With my 570s, I'm sure to double my hashrate for 2 GPUs on X16R, with minimum power draw for 329USD, that's the price of a budget 8GB or a good 4GB 570. And you can directly mine with, so even If I don't want to mine Lyra or X16 with my 570s, the 215+ will do easily with a net income being 90% of the raw income.
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July 12, 2018, 09:23:40 PM
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I will not hesitate to buy this FPGA over a new GPU. Here's why:

Lets take the basic version (101), with mid range GPUs (1060 / 570) you double your hashrate for a very low power usage.

In my case instead of 330W (GPUs only) for 92MH/s ETASH (3,59W/MH), that should be 350W max for 120MH/s (2,92W/MH). That's around 20% global less power draw for the same efficiency.
Moreover, my system uses at max 465W (CPU + GPU mining) at the wall. If I add another 570, that's around 110 more watts, so 575W in total. My PSU being a 750W (platinum), that's a 76% constant load which is no good for long term reliability.

Just think that if you can double (we'll see what's announced) your HR with CN1 V7, on a vega 64 that means 4-4.1KH/s for less than 200W. 3 Vega 64 + 3 CLE 101 would give a wooping 12-12.5KH/s for 2800$ and less than 550W draw (14KH/s / 3600$ / 225W for the BCU 1525)....
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Now the mid range (215), this time we switch algo for X16R. An Acorn will be at 100% charge with 2 GPUs, with a minimum 100% global increase in performance for 30W(?) power draw. Instead of buying 2 GPUs and drawing a lot of power, ONE 215 gives the same perf for 1/5 of power draw, even with free electricity it's worth !! It's 50% cheaper than buying 2 RX 570s !

Even with a Vega 64 you double your hashrate for 299USD !! Cheapest Vega 64 is around 600€ where I live. Just the same, even with free electricity it's worth.


Now the 215+
With my 570s, I'm sure to double my hashrate for 2 GPUs on X16R, with minimum power draw for 329USD, that's the price of a budget 8GB or a good 4GB 570. And you can directly mine with, so even If I don't want to mine Lyra or X16 with my 570s, the 215+ will do easily with a net income being 90% of the raw income.

I do not see the numbers for CLE-101. I will wait to see how much my GTX1080Ti (53.5 MHs with the ETHlargementPill) GPUs are going to gain.
I agree that Acorn makes sense for low end GPUs but not for high end. I am also coming back to the resale value.

I am actually not trying to discard the value of Acorn (not at all). I am just encouraging discussion on how beneficial it will be for high end cards (that I am mostly mining on)
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July 12, 2018, 10:12:53 PM
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Lots of speculation, but I think the interesting question will be how do these fare with the new nvidia gpus?  Since these are shipping in August it will be around the same time as the predicted nvidia release.  Anyone mining on the 10x series will essentially be living on borrowed time.  If the market doesn't increase within the next 2 months, and an 1080ti is making a dollar a day now, it doesn't take much to see how that number will drop.

Another concern of mine is the algos selected.  Regardless of this boost, there is no way gpus can compete with a cryptonight asic. and there are already dedicated fpgas for keecak, 0xToken, and Tribus.  Still though, this is a good start.  Rome wasn't built in a day!
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July 12, 2018, 10:44:49 PM
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In Vosk's last video he mentions mineority disappointing him by selling FPGAs instead of working on ProgPOW. Then he's complaining about reduced Nvidia profit due to the Z9 mini and bitmain being evil, and how 'people' only care about profit, yet he's bought two Z9's and another ASIC on the way? If he's not going to set a decent example, he's just a hypocrite. I don't hate the guy, I just think he could do a lot better if his reviews were more focused on the technology and less about how much money he can make. Let him and his subscribers buy their ASICs and leave the FPGAs for people that can tell the difference between a scam and a deal at this early stage. If you have a review sample please send it to Seth or someone else that actually made some FPGA videos recently.

Vosk supports zen cash. Right now, if you want to support zencash and untill they fork you must buy a Z9

you must read this.. https://1stminingrig.com/asic-vs-gpu-mining-profitability-in-bear-markets/

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In Vosk's last video he mentions mineority disappointing him by selling FPGAs instead of working on ProgPOW. Then he's complaining about reduced Nvidia profit due to the Z9 mini and bitmain being evil, and how 'people' only care about profit, yet he's bought two Z9's and another ASIC on the way? If he's not going to set a decent example, he's just a hypocrite. I don't hate the guy, I just think he could do a lot better if his reviews were more focused on the technology and less about how much money he can make. Let him and his subscribers buy their ASICs and leave the FPGAs for people that can tell the difference between a scam and a deal at this early stage. If you have a review sample please send it to Seth or someone else that actually made some FPGA videos recently.

Vosk supports zen cash. Right now, if you want to support zencash and untill they fork you must buy a Z9

you must read this.. https://1stminingrig.com/asic-vs-gpu-mining-profitability-in-bear-markets/

I understand the reasoning of this article but I would also look at the following:

Bitcoin mining difficulty is going up all the time. Ether difficulty is going up but fluctuates. Why then, with such dramatic hash rate increase, the mining difficulty of Zcash did not spike after June (yet, perhaps)? I also think that Zcash is not going to fork in the next couple of months.
I think that the problem some publications about mining crypto (including YouTube channels) have with ASIC, is that there is nothing to write about: no excitement, no constant changes and adjustments, no new promising coins, nothing to recommend or sell. Boring! It just works (or stops working).
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July 13, 2018, 02:55:14 AM
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It seems not useful if mining Eth/XMR.

Is that because of big memory usage.
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July 13, 2018, 03:25:46 AM
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Oh... and if anyone is looking to expand on this and include more testers I would recommend Vosk Coin.  

Please, no. Guy is annoying af. Just my opinion!

Well, I would but I need my review sample back as we only have 1-2 spare.

In Vosk's last video he mentions mineority disappointing him by selling FPGAs instead of working on ProgPOW. Then he's complaining about reduced Nvidia profit due to the Z9 mini and bitmain being evil, and how 'people' only care about profit, yet he's bought two Z9's and another ASIC on the way? If he's not going to set a decent example, he's just a hypocrite. I don't hate the guy, I just think he could do a lot better if his reviews were more focused on the technology and less about how much money he can make. Let him and his subscribers buy their ASICs and leave the FPGAs for people that can tell the difference between a scam and a deal at this early stage. If you have a review sample please send it to Seth or someone else that actually made some FPGA videos recently.


what load of rubbish, you make no sense at all.
Vosk does a YT channel that looks at all aspects of mining, so how the hell can anyone gave worthwhile opinion on ASICs but not actually have and use any??
He has stated many times that his preference is for GPU mining and so ProgPOW would be more important to him, its just a point of view.
You advocate groups should stick exclusively to one tech or another? FPGAs or ASICs, like fanboys? Really?
Which 'people' only care about profits? your statement is not clear, Bitmain certainly are evil and have carried out their business with total disregard for anything other than their own bank balance. The thing is mining is supposed to be incentivised by profit, why do put that down as a bad thing?
Think harder before post anything, you currently have no credibility.
 

Thank you for the kind words and support. People like you are why I stick around Cheesy

Anyone who believes this guy's reviews are sincere are pretty naive. There's a pretty stark difference between the Vosk on youtube and the one in real life. Anyone who knows him knows that he'll promote anything and even screw over his friends so long as he gets paid. Ask Vosk about overcharging honest people for dog shit hardware. As if that wasn't bad enough, he also embeds malware in miners that he resells honest people so that he can hijack their networks. This guy will get exposed soon (TM).

lol okay, let's not derail this thread with any more comments and strange accusations about "this guy". I mean, I don't think any youtube reviewer deserves an unsolicited review sample. When they say "do your own research" 3 times in every video, they should take their own advice and pre-order the thing themselves if it looks interesting. I especially hate how they all call themselves noobs to relate to the audience, yet somehow they have offices and/or basements full of so much mining hardware it makes the pros jealous. If you want an acorn, order it on Friday, or you might be waiting a long time. Don't wait for the professional noob reviews.
Ya disgusting isn't it
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July 13, 2018, 08:41:47 AM
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Oh... and if anyone is looking to expand on this and include more testers I would recommend Vosk Coin.  

Please, no. Guy is annoying af. Just my opinion!

Well, I would but I need my review sample back as we only have 1-2 spare.

In Vosk's last video he mentions mineority disappointing him by selling FPGAs instead of working on ProgPOW. Then he's complaining about reduced Nvidia profit due to the Z9 mini and bitmain being evil, and how 'people' only care about profit, yet he's bought two Z9's and another ASIC on the way? If he's not going to set a decent example, he's just a hypocrite. I don't hate the guy, I just think he could do a lot better if his reviews were more focused on the technology and less about how much money he can make. Let him and his subscribers buy their ASICs and leave the FPGAs for people that can tell the difference between a scam and a deal at this early stage. If you have a review sample please send it to Seth or someone else that actually made some FPGA videos recently.


what load of rubbish, you make no sense at all.
Vosk does a YT channel that looks at all aspects of mining, so how the hell can anyone gave worthwhile opinion on ASICs but not actually have and use any??
He has stated many times that his preference is for GPU mining and so ProgPOW would be more important to him, its just a point of view.
You advocate groups should stick exclusively to one tech or another? FPGAs or ASICs, like fanboys? Really?
Which 'people' only care about profits? your statement is not clear, Bitmain certainly are evil and have carried out their business with total disregard for anything other than their own bank balance. The thing is mining is supposed to be incentivised by profit, why do put that down as a bad thing?
Think harder before post anything, you currently have no credibility.
 

Thank you for the kind words and support. People like you are why I stick around Cheesy

Anyone who believes this guy's reviews are sincere are pretty naive. There's a pretty stark difference between the Vosk on youtube and the one in real life. Anyone who knows him knows that he'll promote anything and even screw over his friends so long as he gets paid. Ask Vosk about overcharging honest people for dog shit hardware. As if that wasn't bad enough, he also embeds malware in miners that he resells honest people so that he can hijack their networks. This guy will get exposed soon (TM).

lol okay, let's not derail this thread with any more comments and strange accusations about "this guy". I mean, I don't think any youtube reviewer deserves an unsolicited review sample. When they say "do your own research" 3 times in every video, they should take their own advice and pre-order the thing themselves if it looks interesting. I especially hate how they all call themselves noobs to relate to the audience, yet somehow they have offices and/or basements full of so much mining hardware it makes the pros jealous. If you want an acorn, order it on Friday, or you might be waiting a long time. Don't wait for the professional noob reviews.
Ya disgusting isn't it
They available next friday ?
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July 13, 2018, 11:27:04 AM
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It is Friday. We still do not have values for Ethash and Cryptonight. No Stand-alone either. The pre-payments were supposed to start today (or I am wrong). We need more time to calculate all the variants of profitability to make a decision.
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July 13, 2018, 11:56:20 AM
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wtf is this obscure ass thread.
if it an't straight up and straight forward. FUCK it.
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July 13, 2018, 12:25:30 PM
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Some people just dont know when to shut up



Anyone who believes this guy's reviews are sincere are pretty naive. There's a pretty stark difference between the Vosk on youtube and the one in real life. Anyone who knows him knows that he'll promote anything and even screw over his friends so long as he gets paid. Ask Vosk about overcharging honest people for dog shit hardware. As if that wasn't bad enough, he also embeds malware in miners that he resells honest people so that he can hijack their networks. This guy will get exposed soon (TM).

"lol okay,"

lol? okay? its neither funny or acceptable


" let's not derail this thread with any more comments and strange accusations about "this guy"."

good idea


 "I mean, "

eh? I thought you wanted to end this bad mouthing? no,it continues!

"I don't think any youtube reviewer deserves an unsolicited review sample."

GamersNexus, Jays two cents, LTT, its the norm, why do you have a problem??

" When they say "do your own research" 3 times in every video, they should take their own advice and pre-order the thing themselves if it looks interesting. I especially hate "

I though in your previous post you said you dont hate the guy??

" how they all call themselves noobs to relate to the audience, yet somehow they have offices and/or basements full of so much mining hardware it makes the pros jealous. If you want an acorn, order it on Friday, or you might be waiting a long time. Don't wait for the professional noob reviews."

ah, so its just a hate post, another hate post, and jealousy
like the brave hate post from acer195, takes a whole new level of douchbag to create a new completely anonymous id to get a turd like his out
I notice you and acer195 are in the same time zone, not implying anything of course Smiley


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July 13, 2018, 12:33:09 PM
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this makes no difference with ASIC
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July 13, 2018, 12:40:05 PM
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Okay  no new info  on the speed/power charts
and no preorder info.

but it is only 7:40am in Ohio


http://www.squirrelsresearch.com/acorn-cle-215-plus/

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