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October 30, 2018, 01:09:23 AM
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Anyone still remember butterfly lab? they mine first before theysent to customers  Smiley

Of course they are doing that! ..people are sooooo innocent  Roll Eyes
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October 30, 2018, 01:55:36 AM
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I will buy the 2 nest with 2 acorn 215+  if you don't want it.  Assuming it works and runs okay.

if i decide to sell youll get 1st dibs. but honestly im into the fpga thing more for education than expected profit. although that sure would be nice.

Yeah I cut all my Mining down a lot.

12 x 1080tis vs 40
And 4 Vegas 56s

1 m10
3 s9is
1 l3+

That is a total of well under 10kwatts.

I spend 1/3 the kwatts I did last fall.

wow thats a big drop from what i remember you running.

ive been coasting along with the same gear for around a year now. with the bear market asics and gpu seem to be a dead end at the moment as far as buying new gear with an expectation of any decent roi timeframe. guess we got spoiled in the past bull runs with 3 month rois.

fpga accelerated gpu mining seems like it may be a way out for those of us running gpus, especially older paid off gear that barely breaks even after power at the moment. only time (and shipping gear in the hands of regular miners) will tell of course. i figure its a decent bet. 50/50 maybe. well, in crypto 50/50 is pretty good odds anyway.


Best bet is to convert those GPUs into BTC and Hodl.

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October 30, 2018, 01:59:31 AM
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The last refunds should occur today apparently, anyone been refunded today yet?

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October 30, 2018, 02:04:52 AM
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I will buy the 2 nest with 2 acorn 215+  if you don't want it.  Assuming it works and runs okay.

if i decide to sell youll get 1st dibs. but honestly im into the fpga thing more for education than expected profit. although that sure would be nice.

Yeah I cut all my Mining down a lot.

12 x 1080tis vs 40
And 4 Vegas 56s

1 m10
3 s9is
1 l3+

That is a total of well under 10kwatts.

I spend 1/3 the kwatts I did last fall.

wow thats a big drop from what i remember you running.

ive been coasting along with the same gear for around a year now. with the bear market asics and gpu seem to be a dead end at the moment as far as buying new gear with an expectation of any decent roi timeframe. guess we got spoiled in the past bull runs with 3 month rois.

fpga accelerated gpu mining seems like it may be a way out for those of us running gpus, especially older paid off gear that barely breaks even after power at the moment. only time (and shipping gear in the hands of regular miners) will tell of course. i figure its a decent bet. 50/50 maybe. well, in crypto 50/50 is pretty good odds anyway.

Yeah my cheap power did not grow a lot.

I was able to get 4kwatts for 130 a month. That is about 4.2 cents a kwatt.

I have six 1080tis at 50-50 coin split.  Which is 3 free 1080tis.

I have a m10 at a 50-50 spilt which is 17th free.

I have 2 l3+ at a 50-50 split which is 1 free. L3+.

That is my cheap power.

All other power is 13 cents before heat which comes to 10 cents.  But 10 cents is not a lot of margin.

I could burn a lot more power if profit was there.  But profit at 10-13 cents is next to nothing.

I see BTC as the super highway and alt coins as taxis and trucks needed to move transactions.
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October 30, 2018, 02:06:04 AM
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I will buy the 2 nest with 2 acorn 215+  if you don't want it.  Assuming it works and runs okay.

if i decide to sell youll get 1st dibs. but honestly im into the fpga thing more for education than expected profit. although that sure would be nice.

Yeah I cut all my Mining down a lot.

12 x 1080tis vs 40
And 4 Vegas 56s

1 m10
3 s9is
1 l3+

That is a total of well under 10kwatts.

I spend 1/3 the kwatts I did last fall.

wow thats a big drop from what i remember you running.

ive been coasting along with the same gear for around a year now. with the bear market asics and gpu seem to be a dead end at the moment as far as buying new gear with an expectation of any decent roi timeframe. guess we got spoiled in the past bull runs with 3 month rois.

fpga accelerated gpu mining seems like it may be a way out for those of us running gpus, especially older paid off gear that barely breaks even after power at the moment. only time (and shipping gear in the hands of regular miners) will tell of course. i figure its a decent bet. 50/50 maybe. well, in crypto 50/50 is pretty good odds anyway.


Best bet is to convert those GPUs into BTC and Hodl.

No as I just explained they will always profit due to my power deals.

I see BTC as the super highway and alt coins as taxis and trucks needed to move transactions.
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October 30, 2018, 02:35:15 AM
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I will buy the 2 nest with 2 acorn 215+  if you don't want it.  Assuming it works and runs okay.

if i decide to sell youll get 1st dibs. but honestly im into the fpga thing more for education than expected profit. although that sure would be nice.

Yeah I cut all my Mining down a lot.

12 x 1080tis vs 40
And 4 Vegas 56s

1 m10
3 s9is
1 l3+

That is a total of well under 10kwatts.

I spend 1/3 the kwatts I did last fall.

wow thats a big drop from what i remember you running.

ive been coasting along with the same gear for around a year now. with the bear market asics and gpu seem to be a dead end at the moment as far as buying new gear with an expectation of any decent roi timeframe. guess we got spoiled in the past bull runs with 3 month rois.

fpga accelerated gpu mining seems like it may be a way out for those of us running gpus, especially older paid off gear that barely breaks even after power at the moment. only time (and shipping gear in the hands of regular miners) will tell of course. i figure its a decent bet. 50/50 maybe. well, in crypto 50/50 is pretty good odds anyway.


Best bet is to convert those GPUs into BTC and Hodl.

No as I just explained they will always profit due to my power deals.

I did not say that to you, but we can make a side bet if you want on who is correct.

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October 30, 2018, 05:35:58 AM
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I will buy the 2 nest with 2 acorn 215+  if you don't want it.  Assuming it works and runs okay.

if i decide to sell youll get 1st dibs. but honestly im into the fpga thing more for education than expected profit. although that sure would be nice.

Yeah I cut all my Mining down a lot.

12 x 1080tis vs 40
And 4 Vegas 56s

1 m10
3 s9is
1 l3+

That is a total of well under 10kwatts.

I spend 1/3 the kwatts I did last fall.

wow thats a big drop from what i remember you running.

ive been coasting along with the same gear for around a year now. with the bear market asics and gpu seem to be a dead end at the moment as far as buying new gear with an expectation of any decent roi timeframe. guess we got spoiled in the past bull runs with 3 month rois.

fpga accelerated gpu mining seems like it may be a way out for those of us running gpus, especially older paid off gear that barely breaks even after power at the moment. only time (and shipping gear in the hands of regular miners) will tell of course. i figure its a decent bet. 50/50 maybe. well, in crypto 50/50 is pretty good odds anyway.


Best bet is to convert those GPUs into BTC and Hodl.

No as I just explained they will always profit due to my power deals.

I think what he is saying is you can either continue to mine for a very slight profit indefinitely, or sell everything and buy & hodl bitcoin.

Its always a gamble but look at it this way.  If you sold everything and bought ETH right now, what are the chances of ETH being at $400 in 6 months?  No one can predict, but I personally think the chance would be good.  So then the question becomes, do you think you can mine twice the value of all of your equipment in 6 months?

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October 30, 2018, 03:47:07 PM
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fpga accelerated gpu mining seems like it may be a way out for those of us running gpus, especially older paid off gear that barely breaks even after power at the moment. only time (and shipping gear in the hands of regular miners) will tell of course. i figure its a decent bet. 50/50 maybe. well, in crypto 50/50 is pretty good odds anyway.


Best bet is to convert those GPUs into BTC and Hodl.

youre probably right. but i like tinkering with new hardware, so i will need my gpus for this fpga/gpu hybrid mining thing experiment. and im only a hobbyist miner.. right now just one rig, 8 cards. hardly worth selling off.

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October 30, 2018, 08:14:02 PM
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fpga accelerated gpu mining seems like it may be a way out for those of us running gpus, especially older paid off gear that barely breaks even after power at the moment. only time (and shipping gear in the hands of regular miners) will tell of course. i figure its a decent bet. 50/50 maybe. well, in crypto 50/50 is pretty good odds anyway.


Best bet is to convert those GPUs into BTC and Hodl.

youre probably right. but i like tinkering with new hardware, so i will need my gpus for this fpga/gpu hybrid mining thing experiment. and im only a hobbyist miner.. right now just one rig, 8 cards. hardly worth selling off.



I hear ya, I used to buy shit just to tinker with it endlessly. Smiley



I think what he is saying is you can either continue to mine for a very slight profit indefinitely, or sell everything and buy & hodl bitcoin.

Its always a gamble but look at it this way.  If you sold everything and bought ETH right now, what are the chances of ETH being at $400 in 6 months?  No one can predict, but I personally think the chance would be good.  So then the question becomes, do you think you can mine twice the value of all of your equipment in 6 months?



It would make for an interesting comparison (and bet). Smiley

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October 31, 2018, 07:04:41 AM
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fpga accelerated gpu mining seems like it may be a way out for those of us running gpus, especially older paid off gear that barely breaks even after power at the moment. only time (and shipping gear in the hands of regular miners) will tell of course. i figure its a decent bet. 50/50 maybe. well, in crypto 50/50 is pretty good odds anyway.


Best bet is to convert those GPUs into BTC and Hodl.

youre probably right. but i like tinkering with new hardware, so i will need my gpus for this fpga/gpu hybrid mining thing experiment. and im only a hobbyist miner.. right now just one rig, 8 cards. hardly worth selling off.



I hear ya, I used to buy shit just to tinker with it endlessly. Smiley



I think what he is saying is you can either continue to mine for a very slight profit indefinitely, or sell everything and buy & hodl bitcoin.

Its always a gamble but look at it this way.  If you sold everything and bought ETH right now, what are the chances of ETH being at $400 in 6 months?  No one can predict, but I personally think the chance would be good.  So then the question becomes, do you think you can mine twice the value of all of your equipment in 6 months?



It would make for an interesting comparison (and bet). Smiley
who bought at the time of ethereum to 1000 dollars have now lost everything. Who mined, have now the miner
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October 31, 2018, 08:51:21 AM
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fpga accelerated gpu mining seems like it may be a way out for those of us running gpus, especially older paid off gear that barely breaks even after power at the moment. only time (and shipping gear in the hands of regular miners) will tell of course. i figure its a decent bet. 50/50 maybe. well, in crypto 50/50 is pretty good odds anyway.


Best bet is to convert those GPUs into BTC and Hodl.

youre probably right. but i like tinkering with new hardware, so i will need my gpus for this fpga/gpu hybrid mining thing experiment. and im only a hobbyist miner.. right now just one rig, 8 cards. hardly worth selling off.



I hear ya, I used to buy shit just to tinker with it endlessly. Smiley



I think what he is saying is you can either continue to mine for a very slight profit indefinitely, or sell everything and buy & hodl bitcoin.

Its always a gamble but look at it this way.  If you sold everything and bought ETH right now, what are the chances of ETH being at $400 in 6 months?  No one can predict, but I personally think the chance would be good.  So then the question becomes, do you think you can mine twice the value of all of your equipment in 6 months?



It would make for an interesting comparison (and bet). Smiley
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...and the electricity bill !
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October 31, 2018, 01:18:17 PM
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fpga accelerated gpu mining seems like it may be a way out for those of us running gpus, especially older paid off gear that barely breaks even after power at the moment. only time (and shipping gear in the hands of regular miners) will tell of course. i figure its a decent bet. 50/50 maybe. well, in crypto 50/50 is pretty good odds anyway.


Best bet is to convert those GPUs into BTC and Hodl.

youre probably right. but i like tinkering with new hardware, so i will need my gpus for this fpga/gpu hybrid mining thing experiment. and im only a hobbyist miner.. right now just one rig, 8 cards. hardly worth selling off.



I hear ya, I used to buy shit just to tinker with it endlessly. Smiley



I think what he is saying is you can either continue to mine for a very slight profit indefinitely, or sell everything and buy & hodl bitcoin.

Its always a gamble but look at it this way.  If you sold everything and bought ETH right now, what are the chances of ETH being at $400 in 6 months?  No one can predict, but I personally think the chance would be good.  So then the question becomes, do you think you can mine twice the value of all of your equipment in 6 months?



It would make for an interesting comparison (and bet). Smiley
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yes but over the electricity bill you have the mined i think...
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October 31, 2018, 06:20:58 PM
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I wish credit card was accepted as a means of payment. Asking people to drop cash/crypto on a product that will supposedly ship at some point is asking a lot.

I'm trying to figure out what makes the most sense for me. I have a TB250 BTC Pro (11x 1x slots) with 6x 1080Ti and 4x 1070. I was considering putting the nest x4 with 4x cle-101's into the only x16 slot, but before dropping ~$1,000 I want to feel confident that this will "work" if I'm primarily mining eth.
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October 31, 2018, 07:03:14 PM
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I wish credit card was accepted as a means of payment. Asking people to drop cash/crypto on a product that will supposedly ship at some point is asking a lot.

I'm trying to figure out what makes the most sense for me. I have a TB250 BTC Pro (11x 1x slots) with 6x 1080Ti and 4x 1070. I was considering putting the nest x4 with 4x cle-101's into the only x16 slot, but before dropping ~$1,000 I want to feel confident that this will "work" if I'm primarily mining eth.

wait for real testing.

i do think the 4 slot nest is correct.

but you may be better  getting 2x 215+   then another 2x 215+ a month later

without real world tests simply don't buy yet.

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so, numbers yet?
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November 01, 2018, 02:14:31 AM
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who bought at the time of ethereum to 1000 dollars have now lost everything. Who mined, have now the miner

I mined ethereum with a single GPU (MSI R7-370 4GB) rig that earned me 16 coins before it became nothing more than a noisy heater. The rig has morphed and some of the coin it mined has been put into the current iteration. I used it to learn about gnu mining and mess with new gear. This rig is the one that will get the Nest X4 with CLE-215+s added to it. Will it ROI in 3 months? Unlikely. in 12 months? Dunno. That will depend on what coins I mine and what the market thinks of them.

I also bought ethereum, but not at $1000.

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I'm trying to figure out what makes the most sense for me. I have a TB250 BTC Pro (11x 1x slots) with 6x 1080Ti and 4x 1070. I was considering putting the nest x4 with 4x cle-101's into the only x16 slot, but before dropping ~$1,000 I want to feel confident that this will "work" if I'm primarily mining eth.

Note that if you're going to be mining eth, you may be limiting the performance due to the limited bandwidth of the x1 PCIe risers where you have the GPUs. For the ethash algorithm, the acorns are used to perform the two keccak hashes which occur before and after the DAG sampling loop, ie. the process to perform one ethash result would be:

1) acorn performs the initial keccak hash on the block header plus nonce (ie. 40 bytes initial input)
2) 64 byte result of this initial hash is sent to the GPU over PCIe (ie. acorn writes the result into the GPU memory)
3) GPU performs DAG sampling loop to mix with hash result
4) GPU sends 96 bytes of DAG loop mixing reduced/compressed result to acorn over PCIe (ie. acorn reads the result from the GPU memory)
5) acorn performs the final keccak hash

If you look at just step #2, the 64 bytes must be sent over the PCIe lane connected to the GPU. With a x1 riser, you effectively have a bandwidth of a single x1 PCIe 3.0 lane, which would be just under 1 GB/s bandwidth.

So if you're sending 64 bytes per hash being performed over a 1 GB/s PCIe lane, then that bandwidth can effectively support only about 16 MH/s hashrate.

You really need a x2 (or higher) PCIe 3.0 connection to the GPU so the bandwidth can support around 32 MH/s (or higher) and won't throttle the performance for ethash. Considering your particular cards you might even use x4 lanes.

(The info above came from the various livestream interviews GPUHoarder held with a couple of Youtube channels a few months ago. Best to check with SQRL directly in case the config has changed for ethash use.)
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I'm trying to figure out what makes the most sense for me. I have a TB250 BTC Pro (11x 1x slots) with 6x 1080Ti and 4x 1070. I was considering putting the nest x4 with 4x cle-101's into the only x16 slot, but before dropping ~$1,000 I want to feel confident that this will "work" if I'm primarily mining eth.

Note that if you're going to be mining eth, you may be limiting the performance due to the limited bandwidth of the x1 PCIe risers where you have the GPUs. For the ethash algorithm, the acorns are used to perform the two keccak hashes which occur before and after the DAG sampling loop, ie. the process to perform one ethash result would be:

1) acorn performs the initial keccak hash on the block header plus nonce (ie. 40 bytes initial input)
2) 64 byte result of this initial hash is sent to the GPU over PCIe (ie. acorn writes the result into the GPU memory)
3) GPU performs DAG sampling loop to mix with hash result
4) GPU sends 96 bytes of DAG loop mixing reduced/compressed result to acorn over PCIe (ie. acorn reads the result from the GPU memory)
5) acorn performs the final keccak hash

If you look at just step #2, the 64 bytes must be sent over the PCIe lane connected to the GPU. With a x1 riser, you effectively have a bandwidth of a single x1 PCIe 3.0 lane, which would be just under 1 GB/s bandwidth.

So if you're sending 64 bytes per hash being performed over a 1 GB/s PCIe lane, then that bandwidth can effectively support only about 16 MH/s hashrate.

You really need a x2 (or higher) PCIe 3.0 connection to the GPU so the bandwidth can support around 32 MH/s (or higher) and won't throttle the performance for ethash. Considering your particular cards you might even use x4 lanes.

(The info above came from the various livestream interviews GPUHoarder held with a couple of Youtube channels a few months ago. Best to check with SQRL directly in case the config has changed for ethash use.)

Thanks, this is very helpful. I wonder how efficiently the acorn can divide its compute between two gpus. For example, boost two gpus at 15 MHS each, thus avoiding the x1 bandwidth bottleneck.

It also seems like I could avoid the bandwidth issue by switching to e.g. raven coin.
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Latest info on acorns from discord



Lokar -=BoA=-Today at 5:38 PM
Latest update on acorns is currently going through final testing and things are looking good for monday ship.


that is monday the 5th of Nov

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November 02, 2018, 01:57:23 PM
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Yeah you will need more than x1 for the Acorns I'm pretty sure of that.  I find it hard to buy an Acorn, when a 470 8G MSI model is on sale on newegg at 95$ (seems to be new...but who knows). 

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