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November 08, 2019, 04:55:04 PM
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Yes or in their words 'for developers'. They also have a weird ethos of 'not making money printing machines', which to be honest is quite convoluted. That's why we're all here. You can't fund a million dollar company mass producing fpgas with no real application for those fpgas besides developers (which is essentially hobbyists). I'm sure there is a private developer somewhere making bank off private bitstreams, but for common folk that's not us. We just eat the development cost through empty promises for someone else to profit off of.

I stand corrected, FKs are now $1500, so early adopters myself got screwed out of $500 per unit by buying two months ago. That's a significant amount of money.
I think they credited users the difference if you purchased FKs at 2k, or atleast that was my understanding. I didnt purchase any so you would have to ask someone over on discord or email their support for clarification.

According to support it's a temporary sale price and they aren't offering anything (at least to me). I have a larger order as well, so that might effect things. That would be rather unnerving if some people are getting 25% refunds and others aren't.

Whether or not this is actually happening, I'm not on the receiving end of it and basically was told to fuck off(?). As a FK early adopter more boot to your ass for supporting at launch.

They arent crediting anyone, its a coupon code for a sale. and "and no communication from the development team" they post everyday in the FPGA discord. Glad u got booted out of there Masneb u spread cancerous fud like no other. Do us all a favor and find a different hobby.
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November 08, 2019, 11:59:38 PM
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This isn't a hobby, it's a job, much like many people here. They don't post daily. The support does. They didn't offer any meaningful updates on their products for roughly a month and started again yesterday. If you mean this is FUD as the Acorns have working GPU assist or even have a meaningful solo miner, feel free to prove me wrong (I and a bunch of people would be interested in that) or FKs are earning more then $.5/d, I would also be interested in that as would a lot of other people. No? Okay.

It's weird how you can simply disprove what someone says by putting into context the already available facts.

As far as the 25% discount goes. I was a early adopter, I purchased a month and a half ago. During that time all that's been made available was a $.5/d miner, despite other algos talked about prior to launch and things just on the horizon (and I know another was available prior to launch, which wasn't released). The price was then reduced by 25%, for a 'sale' or otherwise (which is still going on). They gave out coupons for the Acorns to make users feel as though they weren't 'ripped off', yet that no longer applies to FKs and I can't be bitter about donating $500 per unit to their company for the honor of owning a paperweight.

In case you guys haven't figured it out yet, their company has a small very strong following and any sort of negativity towards their company is met by zealots (regardless of the fact they neither make purchases in any amount or the company delivers). Luckily BCT isn't related to the discord and what happens here is beyond the reach of their coercion and dramatic ultimatums.

Anything here can be verified by joining the discord link which I already freely gave.

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November 09, 2019, 12:10:03 AM
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This isn't a hobby, it's a job, much like many people here. They don't post daily. The support does. They didn't offer any meaningful updates on their products for roughly a month and started again yesterday. If you mean this is FUD as the Acorns have working GPU assist or even have a meaningful solo miner, feel free to prove me wrong (I and a bunch of people would be interested in that) or FKs are earning more then $.5/d, I would also be interested in that as would a lot of other people. No? Okay.

It's weird how you can simply disprove what someone says by putting into context the already available facts.

As far as the 25% discount goes. I was a early adopter, I purchased a month and a half ago. During that time all that's been made available was a $.5/d miner, despite other algos talked about prior to launch and things just on the horizon (and I know another was available prior to launch, which wasn't released). The price was then reduced by 25%, for a 'sale' or otherwise (which is still going on). They gave out coupons for the Acorns to make users feel as though they weren't 'ripped off', yet that no longer applies to FKs and I can't be bitter about donating $500 per unit to their company and getting nothing in return for it.

In case you guys haven't figured it out yet, their company has a small very strong following and any sort of negativity towards their company is met by zealots (regardless of the fact they neither make purchases in any amount or the company delivers). Luckily BCT isn't related to the discord and what happens here is beyond the reach of their coercion and dramatic ultimatums.

Anything here can be verified by joining the discord link which I already freely gave.

It sure can and we will point them to the correct information, not the BS you spread continuously. "yet that no longer applies to FKs and I can't be bitter about donating $500 per unit to their company for the honor of owning a paperweight." acorn coupons can still be used, again with making shit up as usual
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November 09, 2019, 12:26:32 AM
Last edit: November 09, 2019, 04:31:47 AM by Hueristic
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Well lets see, the Title of this thread is...


Acorn M.2 FPGA based GPU Accelerator

and the Question really is, Are they Accelerating GPU's???


Apparently the answer is NO.


Therefore they are scammers.


This looks pretty damn cut and dry to me.


If I had bought one I would have opened a scammers tag, and if anyone does then post the link here and i will support it.


https://web.archive.org/web/20191109042719/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4391318.0


This information all existed in the discord but I wanted to share it with everyone.

So we’ve developed an FPGA accelerator over the past few months in M.2 (same as nVME drives) form factor designed to operate both standalone and in conjunction with GPUs.

The first version to be released has 4x high speed PCIe lanes to communicate between the system/GPUs as well as 512MB or 1GB of onboard DDR3 along with a 100k+ LE or 200k+ LE FPGA of high speed grade. We’ve named it the Acorn, and the three models are the CLE-101, CLE-215, and CLE-215+

General expectation is it will provide performance roughly scaled with price/performance of the VCU1525, but it has a unique role and is not applicable to all of the same algorithms. Its performance in this role is dominated by its interconnect bandwidth and not its processing power.

It is capable of providing up to 30MH of lift to a mining system with GPUs on a hand full of algorithms or operate independently at higher-than-GPU level hashrates for other non-memory intensive algorithms (Keccak, etc). I will be releasing it alongside our mining software and bitstreams to support hybrid GPU acceleration. This project was not developed commercially, it was developed out of a product for my day job for internal use in our own mining systems to give an edge to traditional PCs and gaming systems turned miners.

The accelerator works by streaming high bandwidth hash state between GPUs and the FPGA over PCIe., allowing each piece of hardware to handle the portion of the algorithm it is best at. In general this means memory bandwidth or area heavy portions of the algorithm may be handled by the GPU, and hash algorithms designed for hardware implementations are handled by the FPGA. This approach works for any algorithm whose internal state is 256 bit (60Mh gains) or 512 bit (x16r, Lyra2Rev2, etc.) or smaller. The accelerator supports rapidly reconfiguring its algorithms from on-board DDR to enable handling of per-block or period (TimeTravel10) re-sequencing. It was designed originally to provide performance gains (especially for older GPUs with poor cores) and power savings for ETH by way of offloading the opening and closing Keccak calculations, as well as hash-selection to improve locality of reference for early ETH rounds.

Given the anticipated path of ETH itself regarding POS and other fork possibilities please consider all those things if ETH is your target. It may be the most popular coin for GPUs, that does not mean it is the best use of FPGA or hybrid tech.

I’ve decided to make this hardware available to community at near cost, given all the FPGA interest lately, alongside my belief that broadly available general purpose acceleration hardware at its true market cost (not low volume industry specific dev boards) is the best defense against complete ASIC centralization. You will see this philosophy reflected in my activity around the VCU1525 board as well.

Anticipated pre-order prices of $199 for the CLE-101 512MB variant and $329 on the high end highest speed grade CLE-215+ 1GB DRAM version. On-board power consumption is nominally 15W. It will include a heatsink adequate for this dissipation level with reasonable airflow. It is important to note that to fit the FPGA this adapter is slightly outside of the 2280 M.2 specification, weighing in at 2380. The vast majority of M.2 slots should not have an issue with this.

I am also pursuing making available well priced options for individual PCIe x4 to M.2 M-key host boards (these are broadly available for $10-15), as well as Quad-M.2 PCIe switched and Bifurcated x16 host boards for those who do not have the available M.2 M-Key slots or require up to 240MH of acceleration.

I won’t post exact per algorithm stats or performance until I can do final testing of the actual boards to be shipped with the release hardware/heatsink/thermal management pieces in place, at which point I’ll accept pre-orders. This device requires quite a bit of testing to cover the list of common GPUs, PCIe configurations, and supported algorithms. I have no desire to sell anyone anything not useful to them, or to push a board at all, let alone one based on 3D renders, prototype parts pictures, or choppy YouTube videos, so I believe this full set of data along with final product pictures and overview must be published before I will take any preorders. I am sorry if that tests your patience.

Prototypes exist and I’ve already secured most of the hardware for a first batch so lead time will only be PCB + assembly.

At the time of shipping I will be releasing our internal miner software in closed source form for Windows and Linux that supports GPU only as well as Hybrid acceleration. You’re also welcome to develop your own bitstreams for the accelerator, and will have all the specifications necessary to do so.

I will also be publishing the interface for the bitstreams so that open source miners that wish to can use the FPGA directly.

We are handling all CE, FCC, RoHS, and other certifications as well as ITAR and export compliance, so we will be able to ship to all non-US embargo’d countries. Taxes and import duties will fall on the purchaser. We will be offering at least a 90 day warranty.

All feedback is welcome. This is not my source of income, nor that of the rest of my team, and we don’t want anyone’s money unless they are happy with what we’re offering. I’m also happy to continue conversations I am already having with coin devs and miner developers on how or if FPGAs fit into their plans for their coin and/or ASIC Resistance strategies. This community is about choice, and I will respect the choices of those teams.

So all I would like from all of you beyond the feedback, is for anyone interested to hit our pre-order registration survey at http://www.squirrelsresearch.com to help us ensure we’re covering your needs and wants and have all the appropriate hardware secured. Based on that info very detailed performance information and full device photos (spoiler - it looks like an SSD with a heatsink on it!) will be published at the time preorders open, expected in mid-June.

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November 09, 2019, 04:23:39 AM
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What a joke!!! Almost one and a half year later and still no working product.

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November 09, 2019, 12:05:36 PM
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What a joke!!! Almost one and a half year later and still no working product.



Well for that matter btc over 10 years and we still don’t have anything much more than what it started with. Just more “influencers” pushing the hype to keep prices high.  It’s really come full circle to what btc was supposed to be about.  It’s funny how this system purported to upend the financial sector is catering and pandering to their every will.  Other than the blockchain i find btc being a store of value naive and just plain foolish!   System full of scammers.  And the ones who aren’t don’t have the means to do what’s right.  Guess that’s why they don’t have the means. Their honest. 

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November 09, 2019, 02:42:05 PM
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What a joke!!! Almost one and a half year later and still no working product.

1st let me say im about 6 grand USD in the hole with my bcu, fk and acorns.

that being said, they actually do have "working products" but the software is sorely lacking. the bcu, fk, and acorns i have all run at a very slight profit. maybe in 6 years ill break even. maybe. unless those higher powered bitstreams that get promised finally get here.

but scammers? i wouldnt go that far (but there may be facts im unaware of). i knew the risks and took it. so far its been a loss. oh well. thats on me.
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November 10, 2019, 03:01:19 AM
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What a joke!!! Almost one and a half year later and still no working product.

1st let me say im about 6 grand USD in the hole with my bcu, fk and acorns.

that being said, they actually do have "working products" but the software is sorely lacking. the bcu, fk, and acorns i have all run at a very slight profit. maybe in 6 years ill break even. maybe. unless those higher powered bitstreams that get promised finally get here.

but scammers? i wouldnt go that far (but there may be facts im unaware of). i knew the risks and took it. so far its been a loss. oh well. thats on me.

It doesn't matter if you profited or not. There are tons of scams where people profited. The question is did they provide what they promised? That is pretty cut and dry.

Can anyone link me to a functioning GPU acceleration product?

At what point do you say "they lied"?

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November 10, 2019, 04:07:19 AM
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Yes, the current tactic with newer ASICs is bait and switch with performance numbers and efficiency gains. Then they're marked off as 'still being profitable', when that wasn't the original investment nor is it nearly the same thing. Strong is currently doing this with all it's products. With Acorns they attempted to remedy this with coupons and refunds (to a certain extent), that's why I asked if that same thing applied to FKs and I was met with a strongly worded 'why would you ever ask that?!?!'.

The hardware is there, but the software definitely is not and it seems like they're always dead set on biting off more then they can chew then not only getting blowback from that when it falls through, but all existing customers suffer because of it.

I was very active on the discord and one of the things I mentioned close to a year ago is the software and kept talking about software and bitstreams as it seemed like the weak link. Here we are, still lacking software (bitstreams). And while it's fine and dandy to gloat about 'how good it will be' and 'how everyone will want one', that's not the reality that currently exists. If you're a larger farm with private developers you're making bank off of this. Most of us that helped crowd source this are not.

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