[Ann][Charm][ICO] Dorothyum, Charm, Toto and Emerald on the OByte - dev by Oz

[ifinta]

(( the Thread wasn't disturbed through Trolls - for a while sure. Only admins of bitcointalk.org generated some work for us - with an unwanted merge.
   You can read the whole truncated history up to this post (I visited some mineral-fair in Hungary...) undisturbed, I checked:
   Please read it - up to the post above. It contains important informations - I think. We have backups of this thread in our git repository... ))

What we targeted?

 - through a P2P Network (Network of "Cells") backed crypto - Charm. 100 Charm = 1 Kiss ... Kiss ("Csók" vagy "puszi" in hungarian language) is a "natural" physically form of our asset We accepts it already.
 - support of clear barter, a ledger (Vortexledger) without "general" equvalent - an economy - without moneysystem  
      ((A 'No' Money with a 'No' DB for our 'No' Republica ... For 'No' Nuclear - of course. To reserve our Gaia for our children. More can you read through links in the third post.)).
 - Charm will be a "multi"-ledger asset.
 - Dorothyum - a "multi"-ledger DApp - an auctionshaus for everything.
 - The DApp's on our economy will produce a revenue in Charm (or in tokenized things (i.e. oil, water, working power, ...) later). We will share this revenue
      - to the owners of Charm,
      - to the Custodian's in Cell's, (( a woman can take i.e. a colored stone or diamond ring from a man, and she can earn with it! The man also! ))
      - to Owner's in Cell's, and
      - to some Funds, acting for Gaia.
      - maybe for support and development with some Kisses also ...
 - As first, we choiched Byteball Ledger because
      - it is GREEN!!! No wasting of computing power!!!!!!
      - the new form of the Ledger (it based on DAG!!!),
      - the new form of smart contracts (more better as solidity...),
      - and the possibility for chat bot's
 ...

What is workig already?

 - Charm already listed on the Byteball Ledger's Exchange bot!!! You can buy it freely.
 - We backs Charm already through some valuable. We "tonenize" this valuables at this time - later we tokenize everything, what will be offered and accepted...
 - we don't use servers more, we using gun.db already
 - official bitcointalk thread was truncated, corected, because many destroyed posts of us through admins here... I hope, it remained clear, and you can find old versions of this thread in our git repository...

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[ifinta]

About the Architecture of Dorothyum

Dorothyum is planned to be an open ledger independent dApp...
Charm, Thanks, Kisses and Toto's will be freely movable between ledgers.
Our planned steps:









If somebody needs timeline and milestones - I can ask Merlin, but I know, what Merlin says for such questions:
"There is no time, Clown, only real changes will bring our current world to an another..."

[ifinta]

Abbreviations:

PO - Projekt Owner
PM - Projekt Manager
SM - Scrum Master
HD - The Head of the development
Scrum Team - please see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrum_(software_development)
(ifinta the retired) Clown (at this time the dev and pm) - in the Kingdom (of Arthur Pendragon) a clown may say everything - really everything... And he (/ she) may thinking (and feeling) about things a little more

Team:

PO     - Arthur Pendragon (a well known Knight from the Tale!!!)
PM     - ifinta
HD     - ifinta (on Byteball verified asset issuer, the well known Custodian of some cells, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=28645)
SM     - Merlin (the greatest wizard all of time - we need it. As community manager, and for the market also. Maybe to develop our programmers and testers - they needs the knowledge of Merlin sometimes - really...)

About our developments:

The git repository: https://github.com/ifinta/vortexledger
To ask, diskuss things - we would like to use Telegram. I created a group "vortexledger", and we have a channel t.me/vortexledger also...
A reddit post to diskuss the vision, ... on reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/9u2men/a_criticism_of_bitcoin_as_a_kind_of_money_and_a/
My profile on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/istv%C3%A1n-finta-3a295923/
I tweet rarely, but sometimes I do it: https://twitter.com/ifinta66
The twitter page of the projects: https://twitter.com/vortexledger/
The facebook page of the projects: https://www.facebook.com/vortexledger/

About 'No' Republica: https://www.facebook.com/No-Republica-926677260862586/
About P2P NRC - our Foundation for Gaia: https://www.facebook.com/groups/p2pnrc/

We changing our platform to communicate with our economy - we choiced NOTABUG ((we trying to migrate all informations here and from old links above under gun.db i.e. NOTABUG. Please be patient)):
https://notabug.io/user/wCVYJ0Am3QqyR3ZeBSQQs7fsnJTRIDUuhwPv0wmyFbw.RAFELn3gqvwUx0ycWE1BvEk4nHT6vjgl0paLcXNargA/spaces/vortexledger

or https://cutt.ly/vortexledger ((we used an url shortener...))

[ifinta]

[FaitheLeaanAn]

This defenetely looks very attractive and I think I'm going to participate here. I also enjoy the website's intro

[ifinta]

Many thanks

[Laguna Blue]

Hi ifinta!
As we spoke personally I would like to join your team as a head of marketing.

Waiting for your reply!

Sincerely,

Laguna Blue

[ifinta]

Important information about the "Exchange Bot" on the Byteball Ledger:

If you type 'book' then you don't see the right sizes (Standard Sizes)...
They are mostly cumulative values - they shows a cumulative value for more similar smart contracts, oft with
different amounts and some prices. It is a luck, if they shows only one smart contract.

At this time the order book shows as below:


But it exists 16 orders!

Standard Sizes are allways power of 2.
Charm has 6 decimals. How should we calculate then the Standard Sizes?
See the queue below (only some first values, to show the rules):

0.000001
0.000002
0.000004
0.000008
0.000016
...
0.001024
...
1.048576
...

I used OpenOffice Calc to calculate this queue.

Please use the Standard Sizes - as we do (see our commands as example to sell or to buy):

our command to sell/buy Charm's:

sell 8589.934592 at 0.000001
buy 8589.934592 at 0.0000007

you should type:

buy 8589.934592 at 0.000001
sell 8589.934592 at 0.0000007

If you don't use the Standard Sizes - your order can remain open - without to fullfill your will!!!
Or the order succeeds only partially, because your order will be truncated and break into parts with standard sizes - and you pay more fee's!

The Standard Sizes of our orders (i.e.):

...
8589.934592
17179.869184
34359.738368
68719.476736
137438.953472
274877.906944
549755.813888

and

8796093.022208


This sizes are enough to buy / sell Charm for the values in a wide range...
If you understand it - you can use other amounts also - of course.
You can add i.e. some Standard Sizes to buy / sell more Charm's at once.

If you see an offer, and you would like to know, which Standard Sizes that offer includes, then
please use this link below. The post behind show you a method to find all Standard Sizes in an offer...
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4392525.msg50607415#msg50607415

[Laguna Blue]

Hi,

I would like to present mail of my PM - I am only the PO in our Scrum Team (we develop agile...). The PM and the Dev Team would like to remain anonymous. Please read, what Oz, the PM, written us:

"
Hi, I am Oz.

I am proud to present my plan to establish an auction house on the byteball open ledger (later Byteball).

The name of the auction house is Dorothyum.

You can use Charm to buy something in this auction house.
 
Charm is an asset on Byteball. I reserve 1% of Charm for me (0.3%), and my team (0.7%).

Charm is backed currently only with one emerald, stored in London and behind an asset issued by ifinta on Byteball. ifinta is on Byteball a verified asset issuer. He will present this mail to the community and he is the PO in this project. I am the PM. I have a dev team. I would like to remain anonymous. Here is a link to the asset description on the Byteball asset directory:

https://byteball.market/#!/assets/2z36V1HUNmvFedu9PH0I3SzCd+TjOhXZCijrIYWbA5w=

I bought this Asset (EMERALD or EMD) from ifinta, but I didn't claim it - ifinta stores this emerald for us, he is the custodian of this piece of emerald. We signed an agreement about it. We known each other personally. For one year storage, I paid 1% Charm to ifinta. After one year I will decide to pay another 0.5% for the next year, or close this agreement. If I decide to pay for storage of this emerald for a year, I always get the right to expand for the following year this agreement, but I will pay always the only half price for the following year. If I decide to claim the emerald, it will no more back up Charm, it will be offered on an auction house. The price of the emerald (100%) will be shared as an extra revenue for a stake in Charm (92.3%) and the remained amount (7.7%) belong to me and my team.

This emerald currently has a certificated price: 104000 British pounds ~
it backs 1 000 000 000 Charm (max. supply)

Buying Charm in this ICO you should send Bitcoins to this address:

1CoVKCMfkUr1fPqEWhoBhv1dRJmKREpsfn

1 000 000 Charms cost 0.02 Bitcoins - but up to end the day of 10th of June 2018 is only 0.018 Bitcoins ... All time is in UTC. This offer is closing at the end of June, or if all Charms are sold out completely. The max. supply will be 1 000 000 000 – no one can be created later on Byteball. Payments more as 0.02 Bitcoins from a single address we accept as 0.02 Bitcoin. The amount above 0.02 Bitcoin we take as a donation for our foundation – a foundation for Dorothyum and maybe more, please see below... Please use only addresses, where you own the private keys explicitly (never transfer your payment from an exchange... i.e.)! If we can't identify a payment - we will take as a support of our foundation. If some Charms remain - it will be transferred to our foundation also. If you pay later than 30th of June 2018 or no Charms are available and you send bitcoins to us – no problem – we accept it, as a donation for our foundation.

After our development, you can use / support Dorothyum, and you will be rewarded.

You can list assets in Dorothyum,
You can buy assets through auctions, or
You can simply buy listed items on listing price after a week an auction closed and the thing, represented by the asset, and it didn't claim, remained listed... The price is 10% more as the listing price.

This auction house will have always revenue, we hope... This revenue (100%) will be divided into five different shares:

20% of the verified custodians of things actually represented by assets listed in Dorothyum. If an Asset will be sold through Dorothyum, it will remain listed up to three months... The weight of the dividend is listing price * duration of the listing.

45% for the buyer for the whole time, the item is listed, from the beginning of the auction or from the time of the buying, if the asset was simply listed in Dorothyum... The weight for the dividend is listing price * duration of the listing.

18% for a dividend for people they have actually a stake in Charm...

5% reserved me and my team for the development, costs, and support of Dorothyum

12% is for some foundations and organizations acting for the health of our Globe - for life of Gaia

Dividends will be shared latest after one month after a season.

The planned pricelist of Dorothyum:

Start an auction: 0 if the start price is 0. If the start price, not 0 then 1% of the winning bid or the biggest offered price or the initial price, what is bigger... If you give minimal price, you should pay 1% of the minimal price also as a fee.

Give or cancel a bid: 1 000 Toto (Toto is always the smallest unit of Charm. Toto is actually 0.00000001 Charm)

If you win an Asset: 3% of the winner price – winner price will be called later as the listing price

Expand the listing up to three months again: 1% of the last listing price (up to 1 year of the End of the last listing)

Choosing another listing price: 0.5% of the last listing price plus 0.5% of the new listing price

Remarks, posts, critics, investigations, tips are welcome

Best regards,
Oz
"

[ifinta]

TonyCh on byteball just added our asset to the Exchange bot:


We decided to release some Charm to the Byteball exchange also. Oz will set some order on the exchange of byteball. The price will be ~ the some as in bitcoins, maybe a little different. So you can buy some Charm on the Byteball exchange also, before the end of this ICO. In the order book we consider to release at some time only up to 1000000 Charm. We thinking about, how can we start the claim process for the bitcoin payments ASAP - please be patient. We will set up a possibility for you, to check how many Charms remained...

[Ozinzin]

I want to participate in presale. What is the minimum amount of btc/eth to take part?

[ifinta]

We don't defined a minimum... The amount of Charm will be truncated - so if it don't reach 1 Charm, it will accepted as support.
It isn't a presale - it is a real ICO.
Maximum is defined - it is 0.02 BTC ...

I want to participate in presale. What is the minimum amount of btc/eth to take part?

The last block, what was accepted with ~10% premium: Block #526905 on the bitcoin blockchain.
Thank you all, for contribution...


I started a poll ...
Please vote
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4458732

(( I just locked this Poll. Result is: 100 Charm is 1 Kiss ))


ICO was ended at end of Juni...

Some people joined us.
The mostly Charm going to the EmeraldCity Foundation... The Foundation continues the sell of the Charm's on the Byteball ledger - at daily Price.
Oz (and the Team behind) continues the development. Any news will be here also posted...


We decided with Oz also, to start a hungarian thread. We will change the first post, and we will add the link for hungarian thread.

done. please see the first post or click below:
((about Hunagrian Thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=20301.msg42566971#msg42566971))


A post about Dorothyum on the NXT forum:
https://nxtforum.org/index.php?topic=13102.msg243159#msg243159

We decided to support "the NXT Nuclear Regulatory Comission" in the future, as an Organisation for our Globe, Gaia...
The name will be changed to "the P2P Nuclear Regulatory Comission".
The donations in the future will be accepted in Charm.

The membership will be costs - you can send it to the foundation, or you can give it physically to a member - you will be member also

3 Kiss for a Week
10 Kiss for a Month
100 Kiss for a Year

NXT will be in the future accepted as maximal a donation only - NXT is not more usable as membership fee.
Please use Charm for donations also.

At this time only "the P2P Nuclear Regulatory Comission" will be supported through Dorothyum, it means,
12% of the revenue of Dorothyum will be payed to "the P2P Nuclear Regulatory Comission" - please see the first post.

[Nicolerxj]

 I am interested in this project, and certainly want to receive a lot of info, I think Dorothyum is very unique, and of course with good development, I will continue to monitor, good luck dev

[ifinta]

I am interested in this project, and certainly want to receive a lot of info, I think Dorothyum is very unique, and of course with good development, I will continue to monitor, good luck dev

Well... Thank you. We will publish informationen, as we do our jobs. Our team and community not big at this time, we have many jobs, and we have a good concept, we think. We need sometimes to travel, to meet each other, to establish this P2P "central"bank for Charm. Later, as the bot tested, everybody can join to our P2P "central"bank, with any valuables. As bot do the job, it will be produce income - and then the valuables behind produce income to cells and owners of Charm (and many more, see first post) also.

Many Kisses to you

p.s.: 1 Kiss = 100 Charm - I hope, you know this rule

[slaman29]

OK. I'm not that interested in altcoin projects about valuables to be honest, but I am a supporter of Byteball so by default I would really be interested to see a project working on DAG specifically Byteball, which I support (and not IOTA, which I don't support).

I'm still trying to understand the concept though. I saw one of the auctions closed without a bid, so I think people also need to understand it more. Why would I want to bid for a share of an emerald, esp when starting is at 0.5 BTC? Could you help explain?

[ifinta]

OK. I'm not that interested in altcoin projects about valuables to be honest, but I am a supporter of Byteball so by default I would really be interested to see a project working on DAG specifically Byteball, which I support (and not IOTA, which I don't support).

I'm still trying to understand the concept though. I saw one of the auctions closed without a bid, so I think people also need to understand it more. Why would I want to bid for a share of an emerald, esp when starting is at 0.5 BTC? Could you help explain?

I'm sorry, I'm traveling... A little late, but here is the answer:

Many thanks for you - for interesse about our project on Byteball Ledger. Many thanks for your work to understand it. Just ask questions, it is good for me also, to see, what was not good written, what was not enough detailed.

I stopped this two auctions, because of lack of any interesse. I got this two jewerlies, and started a trip around europe, to get some money for our development. The remained auctions has also no interesse - but it isn´t because price, I think, it is because this project is very unique, nobody knows, what will be happens, how can somebody invest in, when and what a profit will be made.

I think for this emerald 0.5 bitcoin a good price. Just consider the option - to build a cell.

Later Dorothyum will produce profit.
Every Cell will have a Stake in Dorothyum. Every Cell will be honored because this Stake.
At the beginning Charm is cheap. i.e.:

(some valuables before the emerald i.e.: 150000 USD)
divided by 1 000 000 000.

0.00015 USD (a ~hunderst of a cent)

The emerald has a value (~3100 USD) - it is possible to back some Charm with this emerald. 3100 USD / 0.00015 USD = 21 000 000 pieces of Charm. But at this time the price of Charm is fixed to Byteball - more cheaper, as before in this bear-market. We waiting for the first trades...
And the "Cell Value" is a decision of cell members at this time. We used above 40 000 000 Charm as Cell Value i.e.

Later it will be added many valuables.
Later will be Charm more expensive. Because more valuables behind. The emerald and then valuables more as 10 000 000 USD i.e.

If it will be offered a new emerald - Charm will have a bigger price:

((some valuables before the emerald i.e.: 150000 USD) +
(the value of the first emerald i.e. 3100 USD) +
10 000 000 USD)
divided by 1 000 000 000.

It is ~1 cent. (0.0101531)

If we take a new emerald with same value (3100 USD), and we made a new cell - the Cell Value will be more smaller. 3100 USD / 0.010531 = 300 000 Charm

The first Cell will be earn more as the second Cell (the base is the Cell Value for every Cell):
40 000 000 / 300 000 = ~133 x more. In percents: 13300 % more !

On an effective market a such attribute will be rewarded...... But it is a start of the market - no such reward will be made - I think. But later...
Comments, questions are welcome.

[suhadi88]

Hey can someone tell me, what is it? I did find a web site or do I need it to understand the question of this project, there is no community in it, it makes me unsure.

[ifinta]

Hey can someone tell me, what is it? I did find a web site or do I need it to understand the question of this project, there is no community in it, it makes me unsure.

Ahhhh. Exists people in bitcointalk.org - what a surprise - after some months...

Hey can someone tell me, what is it? I did find a web site or do I need it to understand the question of this project, there is no community in it, it makes me unsure.

Just ask - if you don't understand something. I am back tomorrow morning. I sleep well tonight. Today I got some reaction. A surprise. Really......

[starkovblue]

Hey can someone tell me, what is it? I did find a web site or do I need it to understand the question of this project, there is no community in it, it makes me unsure.

Everything looks like one big joke. Something I can not believe that someone will seriously take this thread on the forum. Without white paper and a roadmap, projects do not work.

[ifinta]

Hey can someone tell me, what is it? I did find a web site or do I need it to understand the question of this project, there is no community in it, it makes me unsure.

Everything looks like one big joke. Something I can not believe that someone will seriously take this thread on the forum. Without white paper and a roadmap, projects do not work.

Maybe later only with a working bot?  Hmmmmm? It isn't a possibility? Everything needs buzzwords? To cook an egg also?