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December 10, 2018, 06:26:13 PM
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Hey can someone tell me, what is it? I did find a web site or do I need it to understand the question of this project, there is no community in it, it makes me unsure.

Everything looks like one big joke. Something I can not believe that someone will seriously take this thread on the forum. Without white paper and a roadmap, projects do not work.

Maybe later only with a working bot?  Hmmmmm? Huh It isn't a possibility? Everything needs buzzwords? To cook an egg also?

is this project still alive or something? or affected by recession in crypto? where is the website so we can easily get info on this project?
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December 10, 2018, 06:36:16 PM
Last edit: April 21, 2019, 02:12:13 AM by mprep
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Hey can someone tell me, what is it? I did find a web site or do I need it to understand the question of this project, there is no community in it, it makes me unsure.

Everything looks like one big joke. Something I can not believe that someone will seriously take this thread on the forum. Without white paper and a roadmap, projects do not work.

Maybe later only with a working bot?  Hmmmmm? Huh It isn't a possibility? Everything needs buzzwords? To cook an egg also?

is this project still alive or something? or affected by recession in crypto? where is the website so we can easily get info on this project?

The project is alive. Only very small interesting from Troll's here on bitcointalk... Interesting. Maybe because the upcoming holidays. Oz travelling also. We don't known about Oz (and the dev Team) at this time... Maybe just crossing the big desert... It was already discussed. Please read the posts above also. Many thanks for interesting. I planning also my first weeks, as a hungarian pensioner. If I do my job - I can live many years. If not - I will starving in a week.



I decided to be a pensioner. Of course in 'No' Republica. In 'No' Republica is the age when a man will be pensioner 50 years... I am already more.
I asked Arthur Pendragon, and he gived me the right to get my whole pension salary - up to my death... It was given in Charm, and I got it already. I am happy Smiley
(Merlin told us, as we asked him. It needed some time, but I know. It is good. "Around 82 years...". He said me, he asked google. A very well wizard tool. He searched: "ifinta death" and then coming 82......)
((I think 82 pages was found, but ... It is better as the statistics in Hungary - I told nothing......))

About the whole calculation please see the post here - in hungarian:



And the link to the "'NXT' Nuclear Regulatory Comission - ahogy mi magyarul beszélők látjuk..." - Hungarian Facebook Group... About Nuclear Hazards around Hungary.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/251738521921145/



Many people in the project asked me about my pension. Someone recommended me, to speak with Arthur Pendragon again - and we all should go then in pension. Why not?
No interesting in ICO (the same as was with NXT in 2013 ... But the dev there was not enough clever, gived away every NXT for nothing...), no interesting to talk about, no discussion here on bitcointalk,
nobody would like to contribute (only some members...), nobody would like to buy Charm on the exchange, ...

I sleeped well, and then I decided to give a chance for everybody in the project (it is maximal at this time 30 - 40 people), and I just to wait for Arthur Pendragon, to decide...
The whole needs only maximal 40% of of Charm - but I think not all will it got. Many would like to pay tax for a community up to the death. Be the others decide also. I will ask many members,
and the others can here post the decison: he will to get the pension or not. Please post, if you (only contributors up to NOW!) wish. If you don't post - I considering, you don't want it. Many thanks for contributing.



Arthur Pendragon decided to give a chance for everybody (contributors up to NOW!!!) in the project - to be a pensioner in 'No' Republica.
Please post, if you would like to take your whole pension salary (the same amount as I got...).

It was: 12052592 Charm ((pro Month ~333 Kisses - the same as I got))

If you below 50 - no problem. You can work onwards, and do businnesses (with your pension salary, you will got if you wish) up to your pension!



Oz was here. In five minutes, after my post. He asked us (I was there, Arthur Pendragon and Merlin) for the pension salary.

Arthur Pendragon asked him what was did, where can we see the sources of the bot. Oz can't be answer. Arthur Pendragon was very sad.

Arthur Pendragon gived no pension salary for Oz and the team behind.



I decided to sell my little house in the Haláp mountain. The price is 30 000 000 Charm, or 300 000 Kisses. Only woman's can pay up to 1000 Kisses physically... I will be decide after a meet on the Haláp mountain (to review the house i.e.) about the payment method. Many thanks for contribution... ((This offer gilt in this year only...))



About the house - offered agains Charm or Kisses Smiley

https://www.facebook.com/istvan.finta.10/posts/1922914367752434



Yesterday I got a caffe in KávéMűhely from Hajnalka - agains a phisically Kiss. We know. I was threre with 3PO and R2D2. Please see the pictures about. I must to declare - I shouldn't to buy a pizza agains 25000 Bitcoins - it was enough a Kiss (not virtually, but without a wired or fix connection or touch) to use our new (or very old?) economy modell. Really Cheesy Please support our development - with Kisses i.e. Cheesy Many thanks! The last (or first? or simple one?) Jedi. ifinta





Happy Holidays Smiley

Please visit our projects on this forum: Charm, Dorothyum and Vortexledger (an open ledger for "No" Money, for barter)
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December 29, 2018, 06:22:06 PM
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I would suggest to keep a thread like this here alive for publicity purpose.
Team posting updates, newbies questioning and so on.

For the "real" talk about technical stuff and the like, I would appreciate a forum on the main site and/or a decent chat function in the client.

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December 29, 2018, 09:19:51 PM
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At this time I am only, as teammember, posting. If somebody would like to acts, asks - posts also. The rest of the team would like to remain offline...
Main site is at this time under development. Please be patient.
From middle December we started some servers for testing purpose... Today we started two servers also.

Many thanks for your feedback.

I would suggest to keep a thread like this here alive for publicity purpose.
Team posting updates, newbies questioning and so on.

For the "real" talk about technical stuff and the like, I would appreciate a forum on the main site and/or a decent chat function in the client.





Some changes in the team and in important links - some pages added.

Abbreviations:

PO - Projekt Owner
PM - Projekt Manager
SM - Scrum Master
HD - The Head of development
Scrum Team - please see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrum_(software_development)
(ifinta the) Clown - in the Kingdom (of Arthur Pendragon) he (/ she) may say everything - really everything... And he (/ she) may thinking (and feeling) about things a little more Smiley

Team:

PO     - Arthur Pendragon (a well known Knight from the Tale!!!)
PM     - Oz (not on the bitcointalk, maybe in EmeraldCity known Smiley the Team also anonym actually)
HD     - ifinta (on Byteball verified asset issuer, the well known Custodian of the EMERALD, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=28645)
SM     - Merlin (the greatest wizard all of time - we need it. As community manager, and for the market also. Maybe to develop our programmers and testers - they needs the knowledge of Merlin sometimes - really...)

About our developments:

The git repository: https://github.com/ifinta/vortexledger
To ask, diskuss things - we would like to use Telegram. I created a group "vortexledger", and we have a channel t.me/vortexledger also...
A reddit post to diskuss the vision, ... on reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/9u2men/a_criticism_of_bitcoin_as_a_kind_of_money_and_a/
My profile on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/istv%C3%A1n-finta-3a295923/
I tweet rarely, but sometimes I do it: https://twitter.com/ifinta66
The twitter page of the projects: https://twitter.com/vortexledger/
The facebook page of the projects: https://www.facebook.com/vortexledger/

About 'No' Republica: https://www.facebook.com/No-Republica-926677260862586/
About P2P NRC - our Foundation for Gaia: https://www.facebook.com/groups/p2pnrc/

The list of the published second posts in this thread:

02.06.2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4392525.msg39190876#msg39190876 About our distributed "centralbank" and about a conventional centralbank
03.08.2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4392525.msg43369328#msg43369328 About 'Standard Sizes' for the use of 'Exchange Bot'
04.11.2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4392525.msg47566346#msg47566346 About the Architecture of Dorothyum




We, members in this project, got a little hope.
The Yellow Brick Road saw Dorothy.
Maybe she has the green box with the key. If not - is the same.
We have some hope (after a year? Or much more?).



((I should say - the key (in the green box) already unusable. For a while. But it isn't a problem for us, we know...))

Arthur Pendragon stopped the issue of Charm - temporarily. All Charm remain in the Market, what we issued already, the rest remain stored at the foundation up to a real need from the Market...
Everybody got Charm can use it. If somebody has a promise to got some Charm - and don't got it - should post here to claim it. We have a list about our promises - please PM me first a Byteball address.
Some people will be supported by us - they are in a list (with nicknames) to claim the Charm later. Please PM, post - if you are unsure about our support.

If somebody don't claim (first PM, discuss it, then post, ..., claim or rejecting the claim from our side) Charm in two weeks - and
not in our VIP ("csókos" in hungarian; "csók" = Kiss in hungarian) list, then he / she won't be able to claim the demand later.

If somebody has all Charm (1 000 000 000) and send us - we will give the Emerald him / her as we spoken before.
The emerald backs (and up to now backed - continuously, because our first post) the Charm in the Market! Please consider, it is a different amount, not 1 000 000 000.
Details will be shown after we closed the possibility to claim Charm (because the first ICO or a promise from our side).
The treasure list is from this time only a row (one Cell) - up to the needed development from our side, to have the possibility, through a bot in the Byteball ledger, to establish a cell.



Arthur Pendragon decided to say: we reserve the right, to re-issue Chram again (maybe on other ledger), if the development needs it, or in any unexpected circumstance.



(( We trying to limit a consequence of a possible issue in the Ledger or Bot or ... in this earlyer stage of our development. We don't want a "Charm Classic" and "Charm" twin on the market later Cheesy ))



You can see it, what is the actual market situation for Charm.
Green is the fair price for 1 Charm in GBYTE's.
It exists offers at this time below this price on the exchange bot! Just buy it!



.. the next market situation ... with a little more in treasure, with a little bigger market, and with a better price - of course ...

Please visit our projects on this forum: Charm, Dorothyum and Vortexledger (an open ledger for "No" Money, for barter)
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what a crazy sweet idea, it would be lovely to see this blossom further, power to the creators.
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To save the actual first post. We change the first post, later it was the first draft our whitepaper, it will be later a nice simple summary of our results... As ususal Smiley



(( about Hungarian Thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=20301.msg42566971#msg42566971 ))

(( to support us through auctions agains bitcoin: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4392525.msg46256059#msg46256059 ))
(( to support us through real jewelry auctions agains HUF i.e.: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4392525.msg46268704#msg46268704 ))

(( I stroke the text about our first ICO - we will have a second ICO with a Bounty and a campagne... The first ICO was done already. ))

(( the Thread wasn't disturbed through Trolls - for a while sure.
   You can read the whole history up to this post undisturbed, I checked:
   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4392525.msg47567061#msg47567061
   Please read it - up to the post above. It contains important informations - I think. ))

Hi,

I would like to present mail of my PM - I am only the PO in our Scrum Team (we develop agile...). The PM and the Dev Team would like to remain anonymous. Please read, what Oz, the PM, written us:

"
Hi, I am Oz.

I am proud to present my plan to establish an auction house on the byteball open ledger (later Byteball).

The name of the auction house is Dorothyum.

You can use Charm to buy something in this auction house.
 
Charm is an asset on Byteball. I reserve 1% of Charm for me (0.3%), and my team (0.7%).

Charm is backed currently only with one emerald, stored in London and behind an asset issued by ifinta on Byteball. ifinta is on Byteball a verified asset issuer. He will present this mail to the community and he is the PO in this project. I am the PM. I have a dev team. I would like to remain anonymous. Here is a link to the asset description on the Byteball asset directory:

https://byteball.market/#!/assets/2z36V1HUNmvFedu9PH0I3SzCd+TjOhXZCijrIYWbA5w=

I bought this Asset (EMERALD or EMD) from ifinta, but I didn't claim it - ifinta stores this emerald for us, he is the custodian of this piece of emerald. We signed an agreement about it. We known each other personally. For one year storage, I paid 1% Charm to ifinta. After one year I will decide to pay another 0.5% for the next year, or close this agreement. If I decide to pay for storage of this emerald for a year, I always get the right to expand for the following year this agreement, but I will pay always the only half price for the following year. If I decide to claim the emerald, it will no more back up Charm, it will be offered on an auction house. The price of the emerald (100%) will be shared as an extra revenue for a stake in Charm (92.3%) and the remained amount (7.7%) belong to me and my team.

This emerald currently has a certificated price: 104000 British pounds ~
it backs 1 000 000 000 Charm (max. supply)

Buying Charm in this ICO you should send Bitcoins to this address:

1CoVKCMfkUr1fPqEWhoBhv1dRJmKREpsfn

1 000 000 Charms cost 0.02 Bitcoins - but up to end the day of 10th of June 2018 is only 0.018 Bitcoins ...

or simply buy Charm on the Byteball Asset Exchange - you will find it as CHM/GB pair... (issued by Istvan Ferenc Finta, a Verified Asset Issuer)
Charm ( oF9wmH31QDL/VXppOJ9mHISrvcdJQ1rqU+Jv8GRQH84= )
https://byteball.market/#!/assets/oF9wmH31QDL~2FVXppOJ9mHISrvcdJQ1rqU+Jv8GRQH84=
The price is about ~ 1 GBYTE for every 1000000 Charm . This price is approx. same at this time as 0.02 bitcoins.
We added this possibility after the pair ( CHM/GB ) was defined by TonyCh on the Byteball Asset Exchange...
Please see: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4392525.msg39876359#msg39876359

All time is in UTC. This offer is closing at the end of June, or if all Charms are sold out completely. The max. supply will be 1 000 000 000 – no one can be created later on Byteball. Payments more as 0.02 Bitcoins from a single address we accept as 0.02 Bitcoin. The amount above 0.02 Bitcoin we take as a donation for our foundation – a foundation for Dorothyum and maybe more, please see below... Please use only addresses, where you own the private keys explicitly (never transfer your payment from an exchange... i.e.)! If we can't identify a payment - we will take as a support of our foundation. If some Charms remain - it will be transferred to our foundation also. If you pay later than 30th of June 2018 or no Charms are available and you send bitcoins to us – no problem – we accept it, as a donation for our foundation.

You can check the remained amount of Charm through Byteball Explorer:
https://explorer.byteball.org/#6P3YI6ZZMC3BJ2U2ZVH6RROG6E5Q7NO3
Please check the balance of the asset with id: oF9wmH31QDL/VXppOJ9mHISrvcdJQ1rqU+Jv8GRQH84=

After our development, you can use / support Dorothyum, and you will be rewarded.

You can list assets in Dorothyum,
You can buy assets through auctions, or
You can simply buy listed items on listing price after a week an auction closed and the thing, represented by the asset, and it didn't claim, remained listed... The price is 10% more as the listing price.

This auction house will have always revenue, we hope... This revenue (100%) will be divided into five different shares:

20% of the verified custodians of things actually represented by assets listed in Dorothyum. If an Asset will be sold through Dorothyum, it will remain listed up to three months... The weight of the dividend is listing price * duration of the listing.

45% for the buyer for the whole time, the item is listed, from the beginning of the auction or from the time of the buying, if the asset was simply listed in Dorothyum... The weight for the dividend is listing price * duration of the listing.

18% for a dividend for people they have actually a stake in Charm...

5% reserved me and my team for the development, costs, and support of Dorothyum

12% is for some foundations and organizations acting for the health of our Globe - for life of Gaia

Dividends will be shared latest after one month after a season.

The planned pricelist of Dorothyum:

Start an auction: 0 if the start price is 0. If the start price, not 0 then 1% of the winning bid or the biggest offered price or the initial price, what is bigger... If you give minimal price, you should pay 1% of the minimal price also as a fee.

Give or cancel a bid: 1 000 Toto (Toto is always the smallest unit of Charm. Toto is actually 0.00000001 Charm)

If you win an Asset: 3% of the winner price – winner price will be called later as the listing price

Expand the listing up to three months again: 1% of the last listing price (up to 1 year of the End of the last listing)

Choosing another listing price: 0.5% of the last listing price plus 0.5% of the new listing price

Remarks, posts, critics, investments, tips are welcome 🙂

Best regards,
Oz
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Please visit our projects on this forum: Charm, Dorothyum and Vortexledger (an open ledger for "No" Money, for barter)
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January 05, 2019, 04:30:07 AM
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love the idea, would love to get involved how do i buy in?
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what a crazy sweet idea, it would be lovely to see this blossom further, power to the creators.

Many thanks... We hope the same and more... also Cheesy





love the idea, would love to get involved how do i buy in?

You can buy it on the byteball ledger.
Please install a wallet for Byteball ( please visit https://byteball.org/ ), buy some byteball byte's there, and
then you can buy Charm (CHM) agains byteball byte's... ( on the Exchange Bot - please read
our instructions carefully: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4392525.msg43369328#msg43369328  )

Many thanks for the question.



Our new first post... To save it.



(( the Thread wasn't disturbed through Trolls - for a while sure.
   You can read the whole history up to this post (how to buy Charm...) undisturbed, I checked:
   Please read it - up to the post above. It contains important informations - I think. ))

What we targeted?

 - through a P2P Network (Network of "Cells") backed crypto - Charm. 100 Charm = 1 Kiss ... Kiss ("Csók" vagy "puszi" in hungarian language) is a "natural" physically form of our asset Smiley We accepts it Cheesy already.
 - support of clear barter, a ledger (Vortexledger) without "general" equvalent - an economy - without moneysystem Cheesy 
      ((A 'No' Money with a 'No' DB for our 'No' Republica ... For 'No' Nuclear - of course. To reserve our Gaia for our children. More can you read through links in the third post.)).
 - Charm will be a "multi"-ledger asset.
 - Dorothyum - a "multi"-ledger DApp - an auctionshaus for everything.
 - The DApp's on our economy will produce a revenue in Charm (or in tokenized things (i.e. oil, water, working power, ...) later). We will share this revenue
      - to the owners of Charm,
      - to the Custodian's in Cell's, (( a woman can take i.e. a colored stone or diamond ring from a man, and she can earn with it! The man also! Smiley ))
      - to Owner's in Cell's, and
      - to some Funds, acting for Gaia.
      - maybe for support and development some Kisses Smiley also ...
 - As first, we choiched Byteball Ledger because
      - it is GREEN!!! No wasting of computing power!!!!!!
      - the new form of the Ledger (it based on DAG!!!),
      - the new form of smart contracts (more better as solidity...),
      - and the possibility for chat bot's
 ...

What is workig already?

 - Charm already listed on the Byteball Ledger's Exchange bot!!! You can buy it freely.
 - We backs Charm already through an Emerald. We "tonenize" this Emerald at this time - later we tokenize everything, what will be offered and accepted...
 - our testserver - yum (Amsterdam) already running
 - our first servers - thyum (Amsterdam), dorothy (Sydney) and toto (Toronto) running also

The development plan, planned architecture, about milestones...: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4392525.msg39128463#msg39128463
This post at this time the second post - in second post we trying to show some very important post.
A history about the second post's you can find on the third post with the resources, and with some other important information...



The third post was changed...

About the fair price of Charm:

Please visit: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4392525.msg49055122#msg49055122

Abbreviations:

PO - Projekt Owner
PM - Projekt Manager
SM - Scrum Master
HD - The Head of the development
Scrum Team - please see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrum_(software_development)
(ifinta the) retired Clown (at this time the dev) - in the Kingdom (of Arthur Pendragon) he (/ she) may say everything - really everything... And he (/ she) may thinking (and feeling) about things a little more Smiley

Team:

PO     - Arthur Pendragon (a well known Knight from the Tale!!!)
PM     - Oz (not on the bitcointalk, maybe in EmeraldCity known Smiley the Team also anonym actually)
HD     - ifinta (on Byteball verified asset issuer, the well known Custodian of the EMERALD, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=28645)
SM     - Merlin (the greatest wizard all of time - we need it. As community manager, and for the market also. Maybe to develop our programmers and testers - they needs the knowledge of Merlin sometimes - really...)

About our developments:

The git repository: https://github.com/ifinta/vortexledger
To ask, diskuss things - we would like to use Telegram. I created a group "vortexledger", and we have a channel t.me/vortexledger also...
A reddit post to diskuss the vision, ... on reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/9u2men/a_criticism_of_bitcoin_as_a_kind_of_money_and_a/
My profile on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/istv%C3%A1n-finta-3a295923/
I tweet rarely, but sometimes I do it: https://twitter.com/ifinta66
The twitter page of the projects: https://twitter.com/vortexledger/
The facebook page of the projects: https://www.facebook.com/vortexledger/

About 'No' Republica: https://www.facebook.com/No-Republica-926677260862586/
About P2P NRC - our Foundation for Gaia: https://www.facebook.com/groups/p2pnrc/

The list of the published second posts in this thread:

02.06.2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4392525.msg39190876#msg39190876 About our distributed "centralbank" and about a conventional centralbank
03.08.2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4392525.msg43369328#msg43369328 About 'Standard Sizes' for the use of 'Exchange Bot'
04.11.2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4392525.msg47566346#msg47566346 About the Architecture of Dorothyum




Many things will be tokenized. You can "pay" i.e. with your tokenized working hours at your post in your village Smiley

what a great idea but im still in doubt how a cashless society functions without universally accepted mode of transfer of assets?

Please visit our projects on this forum: Charm, Dorothyum and Vortexledger (an open ledger for "No" Money, for barter)
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really confusing intro, maybe an animated explanation video would be really helpful for the general public to understand what it is you are trying to do.
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We would like to let it test in this month - the first steps. It is better as an animated video. Or? Smiley To try it, and feel it. Please see our planned development steps in the second post at this time.

really confusing intro, maybe an animated explanation video would be really helpful for the general public to understand what it is you are trying to do.



And - you can try Byteball. It is our first Ledger, where we working on our auctonshouse - Dorothyum. You can install it, try it, try chatbot's, ... It is a very good devlopment, we think.

We would like to let it test in this month - the first steps. It is better as an animated video. Or? Smiley To try it, and feel it. Please see our planned development steps in the second post at this time.

really confusing intro, maybe an animated explanation video would be really helpful for the general public to understand what it is you are trying to do.



Kisses - in physically form - are universally accepted - we hope Smiley Or?

((we did a little seaching on the web... Try google: kiss pictures))



and we would like remain with Vortexledger (ledger for barter) local and segmented, maybe offline sometimes... ((offline first db...))
It will be No Money on top of No DB Smiley No General, No Global something - it will be used, if needed, a well known local and tokenized thing (i.e. water, milk, apple, working hour's of a local carpenter, lawyer, teacher, ...) 

Many things will be tokenized. You can "pay" i.e. with your tokenized working hours at your post in your village Smiley

what a great idea but im still in doubt how a cashless society functions without universally accepted mode of transfer of assets?



You will be able to pay 25000 Pizza for a bitcoin... Or? Cheesy

Kisses - in physically form - are universally accepted - we hope Smiley Or?

((we did a little seaching on the web... Try google: kiss pictures))



and we would like remain with Vortexledger (ledger for barter) local and segmented, maybe offline sometimes... ((offline first db...))
It will be No Money on top of No DB Smiley No General something, No Global something - it will be used, if needed, a well known local and tokenized thing (i.e. water, milk, apple, working hour's of a local carpenter, lawyer, teacher, ...) 

Many things will be tokenized. You can "pay" i.e. with your tokenized working hours at your post in your village Smiley

what a great idea but im still in doubt how a cashless society functions without universally accepted mode of transfer of assets?



If you wish Smiley of course......

You will be able to pay 25000 Pizza for a bitcoin... Or? Cheesy

Kisses - in physically form - are universally accepted - we hope Smiley Or?

((we did a little seaching on the web... Try google: kiss pictures))



and we would like remain with Vortexledger (ledger for barter) local and segmented, maybe offline sometimes... ((offline first db...))
It will be No Money on top of No DB Smiley No General something, No Global something - it will be used, if needed, a well known local and tokenized thing (i.e. water, milk, apple, working hour's of a local carpenter, lawyer, teacher, ...) 

Many things will be tokenized. You can "pay" i.e. with your tokenized working hours at your post in your village Smiley

what a great idea but im still in doubt how a cashless society functions without universally accepted mode of transfer of assets?



You will be able to select. If you trust the local carpenter more as the local lawyer ...
You choose the carpenter tokenized working hour (if it exists at that time some amount for you on the local market...)

If you wish Smiley of course......

You will be able to pay 25000 Pizza for a bitcoin... Or? Cheesy

Kisses - in physically form - are universally accepted - we hope Smiley Or?

((we did a little seaching on the web... Try google: kiss pictures))



and we would like remain with Vortexledger (ledger for barter) local and segmented, maybe offline sometimes... ((offline first db...))
It will be No Money on top of No DB Smiley No General something, No Global something - it will be used, if needed, a well known local and tokenized thing (i.e. water, milk, apple, working hour's of a local carpenter, lawyer, teacher, ...) 

Many things will be tokenized. You can "pay" i.e. with your tokenized working hours at your post in your village Smiley

what a great idea but im still in doubt how a cashless society functions without universally accepted mode of transfer of assets?

Please visit our projects on this forum: Charm, Dorothyum and Vortexledger (an open ledger for "No" Money, for barter)
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i like the idea a lot but i am still a little bit confused about how it works??, maybe a animated video showing a demo of the system will be very helpful.
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great idea can't wait to see it in action. keep up the good work dev's.
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This might be interesting, but by the way what you don't plan to make the web site and develop it on a regular basis, I think it would be easier for the community to learn any information about the project from there.


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Many thanks for feedbacks. I am happy - maybe it will be started some diskussion about our plan and work. To be establish a real community - to have more support for us.
We considered to save some working hours, and not to develop things (whitepage, websites, ...) with many buzzwords, and promises - we started an agile development, with many diskussions, tests...
If something will be needs, we will develop it, if exists people to do something also - it exists many possibility to extend this new type of economy, we already feel it...

This might be interesting, but by the way what you don't plan to make the web site and develop it on a regular basis, I think it would be easier for the community to learn any information about the project from there.



Many thanks your feedback - we hope you will be able as soon as possible to feel this system (the first steps - of course) in work.
If we are offline - we develop bots and webpages - we planning at this time no travel more - only if it very important, but it seems - we don't need such travel at this time.
We can concentrate to development, and community.

great idea can't wait to see it in action. keep up the good work dev's.



I think it will be considered later - video's, buzzwords, many promises needs only big companies and scammers Smiley We would like to give to the community tools and possibilities.
We got the possibility to develop this vision, to define a plan and to develop the code up to now without a need of many investors. Many thanks for everybody (i.e. byteball team, ...),
who in the last years supported us.

i like the idea a lot but i am still a little bit confused about how it works??, maybe a animated video showing a demo of the system will be very helpful.



Important. The Yellow Brick Road told truth. I met Dorothy today. She won't be online - she won't got i.e. e-mails as many team-member also.
Every team-member can decide in our team - to be identified or not, to be online or not. We are ready to meet personally - if it is needed. Many thanks for support us.
Dorothy is a beautiful young woman - as in the tale - but maybe more Smiley She is very kindness, ready to help others, she can't be really aggressive. She is clever, sensitive, fast,
smart but she has to much understanding for others and she overwhelming her emotions a little (It is a question it is good or not... I think, for Dorothy is is strange thing to do it, for the
community it is good, because the lack of unnecessary debate. I try to be the same in many situation since my birth - up to 2016 December... And maybe again also... I try to do it...)

I must tell everybody in this project - we got a big hope. Dorothy is able to won against west and east evil witches.
Dorothy is more smarter, stronger as I am in such ways, I should tell it. She communicate diplomatically and firmly.

Dorothy was with R2D2 and 3PO... She named 3PO tin man with a automatic hoover. Yes, I know - R2D2 do it well.
I got the green box back - she saved it for me. Many thanks for Dorothy for the support.

I know - she don't need to do something special to won against witches. It will be done through Dorothy's simple being.

((Everybody should consider - I am a 'C' programmer - for me dorothy (the server) and Dorothy (a beautiful woman) is two different name!))



Charm is our version for a kind of money. It is backed.
You will be able to select between Vortexledger with Dorothyum (to use barter) or a Ledger (i.e. Byteball - with a kind of money: our Charm) with Dorothyum.
We would like to let the possibility to try, use and compare the possibilities, or possible issues on many implementations on many ledger - with use only barter or use Charm and Kisses.
We think - it is important a slowly change in the world. We needs it also. We needs many inputs, many support, many informations, many real experiences with the new economy modell...

Please support us. Buy a little Charm i.e. - we need a support, I must to explain, already... After some years of independent development. Many thanks for supporters!

You will be able to select. If you trust the local carpenter more as the local lawyer ...
You choose the carpenter tokenized working hour (if it exists at that time some amount for you on the local market...)

If you wish Smiley of course......

You will be able to pay 25000 Pizza for a bitcoin... Or? Cheesy

Kisses - in physically form - are universally accepted - we hope Smiley Or?

((we did a little seaching on the web... Try google: kiss pictures))



and we would like remain with Vortexledger (ledger for barter) local and segmented, maybe offline sometimes... ((offline first db...))
It will be No Money on top of No DB Smiley No General something, No Global something - it will be used, if needed, a well known local and tokenized thing (i.e. water, milk, apple, working hour's of a local carpenter, lawyer, teacher, ...) 

Many things will be tokenized. You can "pay" i.e. with your tokenized working hours at your post in your village Smiley

what a great idea but im still in doubt how a cashless society functions without universally accepted mode of transfer of assets?



I updated our git repository. I will be (maybe) offline for a while... to concentrate to real development (and to support our dev's, to pay the invoice my ISP, to sell something to have a little money to buy been soup a La' Jókai art i.e., to support my family, to act for my heathy, ... Cheesy ) - of course.



We added some important information to the second post...

About the fair price of Charm:

Please visit: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4392525.msg49055122#msg49055122

Abbreviations:

PO - Projekt Owner
PM - Projekt Manager
SM - Scrum Master
HD - The Head of the development
Scrum Team - please see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrum_(software_development)
(ifinta the) retired Clown (at this time the dev) - in the Kingdom (of Arthur Pendragon) he (/ she) may say everything - really everything... And he (/ she) may thinking (and feeling) about things a little more Smiley

Team:

PO     - Arthur Pendragon (a well known Knight from the Tale!!!)
PM     - Oz (not on the bitcointalk, maybe in EmeraldCity known Smiley the Team also anonym actually)
HD     - ifinta (on Byteball verified asset issuer, the well known Custodian of the EMERALD, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=28645)
SM     - Merlin (the greatest wizard all of time - we need it. As community manager, and for the market also. Maybe to develop our programmers and testers - they needs the knowledge of Merlin sometimes - really...)

About our developments:

The git repository: https://github.com/ifinta/vortexledger
To ask, diskuss things - we would like to use Telegram. I created a group "vortexledger", and we have a channel t.me/vortexledger also...
A reddit post to diskuss the vision, ... on reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/9u2men/a_criticism_of_bitcoin_as_a_kind_of_money_and_a/
My profile on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/istv%C3%A1n-finta-3a295923/
I tweet rarely, but sometimes I do it: https://twitter.com/ifinta66
The twitter page of the projects: https://twitter.com/vortexledger/
The facebook page of the projects: https://www.facebook.com/vortexledger/

About 'No' Republica: https://www.facebook.com/No-Republica-926677260862586/
About P2P NRC - our Foundation for Gaia: https://www.facebook.com/groups/p2pnrc/

The list of the published second posts in this thread:

06.01.2019 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4392525.msg47475606#msg47475606 Added information about the planned distribution of the (reserved) Charm's
05.01.2019 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4392525.msg47566346#msg47566346 About the Architecture of Dorothyum
05.01.2019 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4392525.msg49066619#msg49066619 About Charm as a kind of money, and why we need it. How Vortexledger will be work - without a "general" thing...
  ((it wasn't second post, but both are very important explanation...))
04.11.2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4392525.msg47566346#msg47566346 About the Architecture of Dorothyum
03.08.2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4392525.msg43369328#msg43369328 About 'Standard Sizes' for the use of 'Exchange Bot'
02.06.2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4392525.msg39190876#msg39190876 About our distributed "centralbank" and about a conventional centralbank




I started a discussion in bitcointalk.org - about the value of USD, Bitcoin and Pizza... in Bitcoin Forum / Economics ...
Don't forget - Bitcoin is also a kind of "paper-money" Smiley
USD also - but it is already detected - I hope...

Don't forget the old Indian - we can't eat our money... Cheesy

Be creative Cheesy
Many thanks for support...

Here the link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5093726.0

The quote from here also there Smiley
Please taste the feeling to click it - and embed it in posts there. Maybe with some comment about our Vortexledger, Kisses and Charm...
We need's some Advertisement - to get support through some investors (through Exchange Bot on Byteball Ledger already possible to buy some Charm...)
We needs support - to buy something to eat, to pay to ISP, ... Many thanks for support (if you did it already) or comment (if exists ideas, what is need more...) ...

Please, support us there, with a discussion about the Topic here Smiley and to buy Charm on the Exchange Bot...
It is already a well backed crypto!!! Not a "papermoney"... You buying a value - a portion of a wonderful Emerald - with a Share in this unique project!

An Emerald, what is was "tokenized" last sommer already...
In curtly.club (from middle 2016) we tryed to "tokenize" Silver.
I heared the buzzword "tokenization" firstly in Barcelona end of last year...

Should I post first here everything about our actual project as I did it with crypto-club's, 'No' Republica or "tokenization" in 2015, 2016? Huh
Or about 'greencoin' in 2011? Huh

After such post was PoS, bitnation.co or "tokenization" "invented"... (?) Or? Any other opinion?
Many thanks for following me Smiley Many thanks for using the ideas...

You will be able to pay 25000 Pizza for a bitcoin... Or? Cheesy

Kisses - in physically form - are universally accepted - we hope Smiley Or?

((we did a little seaching on the web... Try google: kiss pictures))



and we would like remain with Vortexledger (ledger for barter) local and segmented, maybe offline sometimes... ((offline first db...))
It will be No Money on top of No DB Smiley No General something, No Global something - it will be used, if needed, a well known local and tokenized thing (i.e. water, milk, apple, working hour's of a local carpenter, lawyer, teacher, ...) 

Many things will be tokenized. You can "pay" i.e. with your tokenized working hours at your post in your village Smiley

what a great idea but im still in doubt how a cashless society functions without universally accepted mode of transfer of assets?



A new ticker for BITCOIN was established. Please follow it Smiley Many thanks...
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5093726.msg49093653#msg49093653

I would like establish a new type of ticker -
with not a fiat (i.e. USD) for a crypto (i.e. as here - agains Bitcoin) but with a well known product. PIZZA here i.e.

N PIZZA / BITCOIN

I named thys type of ticker 'No' Ticker - please see, because the name of the type of ticker, this post also:

Kisses - in physically form - are universally accepted - we hope Smiley Or?

((we did a little seaching on the web... Try google: kiss pictures))



and we would like remain with Vortexledger (ledger for barter) local and segmented, maybe offline sometimes... ((offline first db...))
It will be No Money on top of No DB Smiley No General, No Global something - it will be used, if needed, a well known local and tokenized thing (i.e. water, milk, apple, working hour's of a local carpenter, lawyer, teacher, ...) 

Many things will be tokenized. You can "pay" i.e. with your tokenized working hours at your post in your village Smiley

what a great idea but im still in doubt how a cashless society functions without universally accepted mode of transfer of assets?

And our ticker will be posted as second post in this thread (please be patient - I post it not periodically - but I will post as I a little time got for such purpose...
You can do it also - please post the prices, as you see...):

Today's price (in La Coma in Dunakeszi, in Hungary ~6 USD / pizza if you buy three pieces at once...) ~660 pizza / Bitcoin...

The all time high ~3300 pizza / Bitcoin (December 2017).
The all time low 1/25000 pizza / Bitcoin ( I don't know the Date - please post it, many thanks Smiley )

My all time low was 0.4 pizza / Bitcoin in November 2011 (You can post YOUR all time high and low for a PIZZA agains Bitcoin Smiley Many thanks for posts...





Many thanks for your support in our big performance ( since greencoin was published... it will be continoue later - be patient -
this is only an (greencoin was the first maybe) episope Smiley ).

About the casting please see below our performers Smiley

The Open Ledger for Charm, for a decentralised P2P "central"bank, will be developed of course fort. Vortexledger also - I hope.
The performance was a kind of publicity and sometimes also a need!

But some remark. We published everything as free (github nolicence - do have all rights and we have no demand) but
if you can talk about our performance, a link, or a (copyleft) notice, or something other support for us - many thanks - it helps us - and
we helped you - we think it is the base of an anonym P2P jurisdiction (( (copyright maybe) Dumas).

Charm is a personal use open ledger at this time with a tokenized emerald for a person and the environment of this person. A personal money.
It has a personal (centralised) central bank. It is backed with a value - you and your environment should be know - what they would like to use.
It is possible to use i.e. working hours, or water, ...

The algo for a decentralized "central"bank is only 5-6 pages only, with the know-how how to work a such personal "central"bank.

Many thanks for the attention.

About the fair price of Charm:

Please visit: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4392525.msg49055122#msg49055122

Abbreviations:

PO - Projekt Owner
PM - Projekt Manager
SM - Scrum Master
HD - The Head of the development
Scrum Team - please see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrum_(software_development)
(ifinta the) retired Clown (at this time the dev) - in the Kingdom (of Arthur Pendragon) he (/ she) may say everything - really everything... And he (/ she) may thinking (and feeling) about things a little more Smiley

Team:

PO     - Arthur Pendragon (a well known Knight from the Tale!!!)
PM     - Oz (not on the bitcointalk, maybe in EmeraldCity known Smiley the Team also anonym actually)
HD     - ifinta (on Byteball verified asset issuer, the well known Custodian of the EMERALD, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=28645)
SM     - Merlin (the greatest wizard all of time - we need it. As community manager, and for the market also. Maybe to develop our programmers and testers - they needs the knowledge of Merlin sometimes - really...)

About our developments:

The git repository: https://github.com/ifinta/vortexledger
To ask, diskuss things - we would like to use Telegram. I created a group "vortexledger", and we have a channel t.me/vortexledger also...
A reddit post to diskuss the vision, ... on reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/9u2men/a_criticism_of_bitcoin_as_a_kind_of_money_and_a/
My profile on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/istv%C3%A1n-finta-3a295923/
I tweet rarely, but sometimes I do it: https://twitter.com/ifinta66
The twitter page of the projects: https://twitter.com/vortexledger/
The facebook page of the projects: https://www.facebook.com/vortexledger/

About 'No' Republica: https://www.facebook.com/No-Republica-926677260862586/
About P2P NRC - our Foundation for Gaia: https://www.facebook.com/groups/p2pnrc/

The list of the published second posts in this thread:

06.01.2019 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4392525.msg47475606#msg47475606 Added information about the planned distribution of the (reserved) Charm's
05.01.2019 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4392525.msg47566346#msg47566346 About the Architecture of Dorothyum
05.01.2019 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4392525.msg49066619#msg49066619 About Charm as a kind of money, and why we need it. How Vortexledger will be work - without a "general" thing...
  ((it wasn't second post, but both are very important explanation...))
04.11.2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4392525.msg47566346#msg47566346 About the Architecture of Dorothyum
03.08.2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4392525.msg43369328#msg43369328 About 'Standard Sizes' for the use of 'Exchange Bot'
02.06.2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4392525.msg39190876#msg39190876 About our distributed "centralbank" and about a conventional centralbank


About our "casting" in this "performance":

PO     - Arthur Pendragon (a well known Knight from the Tale!!!)
PM     - Oz (not on the bitcointalk, maybe in EmeraldCity known Smiley the Team also anonym actually)
HD     - ifinta (on Byteball verified asset issuer, the well known Custodian of the EMERALD, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=28645)
SM     - Merlin (the greatest wizard all of time - we need it. As community manager, and for the market also. Maybe to develop our programmers and testers - they needs the knowledge of Merlin sometimes - really...)

I hope you can definetly identify then the only living homo sapiens in the list. If not - just ask others...
Maybe they can help you. Or ask me - here in this thread or on other form. I hope I will live at that time Smiley also......

But the intelligences behind the other performers, and many intelligences also should we rewarded with claps.
Only one intelligence would like to sign this post - a well known homo sapiens. please see below:



He is one of my intelligences, and many thanks for the many books, with many intelligences in it, he defined in his books. I read they up to my ~12nd birthday.
I must to sell many books - because the living situation my mother in that time. She lost his husband (my father) as I was 11. What I had as gived in 2017 to Jasmin
- one of my daughter. I know - Jasmin try to save the books - maybe she read it some already. The first I read for Jazmin, as I knowed - it coming a difficult timeslice
in our live..... In August 2017......

Many thanks Jules - to give the books and the sign for our performance Smiley

Many thanks Smiley for the support for unknown and/or unpublished humans and unknown and/or unpublished intelligences following and supporting our work.



We are hiring...

I talked with Arthur Pendragon (I have an Idea, who is Arthur Pendragon truly, I contacted Arthur Pendragon already many years ago, he gived me a hint about this projekt. I should check it with a question about the sword (a technical question - how was possibly the story with the stone and the sword in middlealter with the knowledge about materials of Newton, Pascal, Lord Kelvin... We seraching truly physical chemical explanation... If she / he has an Idea - please post it here - you are sure a Knights of Arthur Pendragon also - we know... You should have then a Verified Asset Issuer acc on Byteball Ledger also... Please post it with the story here, only the first accepted!!! If we got an another story with different acceptable physical chemical explanation we will decide we accept it or not... Maybe... Agains 100 Kisses i.e.), and he told me, he would like to get a

new Clown in our Kingdom.

The new Clown should start a new thread on a social site (face, twitter, youtube, or a new one - i.e. with Gun DB background!!!) and should speak about our project, with links to our diskussions on different forums. Please post here the threads, we would like to decide after a Month - wich Clown was better, what we can accept as a really Clown. She / he should be a Verified Asset Issuer on the Byteball Ledger, and the Thread should be started with an Asset ID (a link to the Asset as i.e. Charm here: https://byteball.market/#!/assets/oF9wmH31QDL~2FVXppOJ9mHISrvcdJQ1rqU+Jv8GRQH84= ).
She / he can pay with this Asset to the people they post on the Thread, and she / he can give any Kiss-es for a post, as many she / he ready to give physically to the person, the post published. It will be checked randomly Smiley The people will be able to claim Charm ( not in such amount, but... I don't promise anything - Arthur Pendragon with the Knights will be decide... Maybe I am personally Cheesy Maybe phisically... Or? ) agains this Asset... The choiced Clown(s) will got after the first Month 500 000 Charm, and in the next Month always a half of the last payed amount. We behalf the right to choice more Clown. Or don't pay for some months, or choice new Clowns... Why not Smiley Many thanks to the contribution. We reserved 50 000 000 Charm for such purpose AND for the best, community choiced Clown an emerald ring - to be published later.

We needs also a new PM.

We can't reach Oz - maybe he are away with our Money, but if you are ready to pay our lost values (9 000 000 Charm), we are ready to give you the role. You should be have a LinkedIn acc and a Verified Asset Issuer acc on the Byteball Ledger with an Asset, as the Clown(s) above. He posts here the story fort, we would like post also. You should have a bitcointalk.org acc then. You should publish your vision here, what you already have (of course with your Linked In acc - I will contact you on LinkedIn, after a choice from Arthur Pendragons and the Knights...). You should have 1 000 000 Charm on your acc until you apply for the job, and the remained amount we are ready to diskuss based the actual fair value of Charm at this time...

We needs Knights, Clowns and a new PM. And of course many Kisses, as allways Smiley Many thanks for attention.
More informations are coming...



I met with the real Arthur Pendragon. He donate a little for our Project, and he gived me the rights to use the force (( I used it never before Cheesy I am only a jedi and not a knights of Arthur Pendragon )).

He would like to remain anonym. We talked a little and he don't want to know what is my opinion about the sword and the stone. He said me - he can check it later, as I give a reward agains a possible solution. He will post here the right solution, if I fail to choose the next knight. He decided to knocks me into a knight! Good. I said nothing, that I am already a knight, but it seems me better, to leave Arthur Pendragon in the feeling - he knocked me into a knight. He said, I should use my force as a knight do - and I said, yes I will use the force as a knight use it. ((Nice, or?)) He said - I should save "No" Republica and "No" Religion, and I should use the resources of Charm to build up the Open Ledger for barter - the Vortexledger. I said - "Yes, I will it to do!".

Then I must to go away...
Many thanks for attention, please be patient - and please use the possibility to join our Projekt and / or support us in any form as you can!



If you would like to support us - join wirex through this link...
https://wirexapp.com/r/pz1e9k1hmc

Please visit our projects on this forum: Charm, Dorothyum and Vortexledger (an open ledger for "No" Money, for barter)
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You can see it, what is the actual market situation for Charm.
Green is the fair price for 1 Charm in GBYTE's.
It exists offers at this time below this price on the exchange bot! Just buy it!



... post about the last market situation ...

.. the next market situation ... with a little more in treasure, with a little bigger market, and with a better price - of course ...




FYI
We removed Oz ((ever)) ((maybe))... The PM position open at this time - we are hiring a new PM...

About the fair price of Charm:

Please visit: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4392525.msg49055122#msg49055122

Abbreviations:

PO - Projekt Owner
PM - Projekt Manager
SM - Scrum Master
HD - The Head of the development
Scrum Team - please see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrum_(software_development)
(ifinta the) retired Clown (at this time the dev) - in the Kingdom (of Arthur Pendragon) he (/ she) may say everything - really everything... And he (/ she) may thinking (and feeling) about things a little more Smiley

Team:

PO     - Arthur Pendragon (a well known Knight from the Tale!!!)
PM     - At this time open... We are hiring somebody new... Some teammember of dev team must be remain unchanged!!! As usual in a IT project. Or?
HD     - ifinta (on Byteball verified asset issuer, the well known Custodian of the EMERALD, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=28645)
SM     - Merlin (the greatest wizard all of time - we need it. As community manager, and for the market also. Maybe to develop our programmers and testers - they needs the knowledge of Merlin sometimes - really...)

About our developments:

The git repository: https://github.com/ifinta/vortexledger
To ask, diskuss things - we would like to use Telegram. I created a group "vortexledger", and we have a channel t.me/vortexledger also...
A reddit post to diskuss the vision, ... on reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/9u2men/a_criticism_of_bitcoin_as_a_kind_of_money_and_a/
My profile on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/istv%C3%A1n-finta-3a295923/
I tweet rarely, but sometimes I do it: https://twitter.com/ifinta66
The twitter page of the projects: https://twitter.com/vortexledger/
The facebook page of the projects: https://www.facebook.com/vortexledger/

About 'No' Republica: https://www.facebook.com/No-Republica-926677260862586/
About P2P NRC - our Foundation for Gaia: https://www.facebook.com/groups/p2pnrc/

The list of the published second posts in this thread:

06.01.2019 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4392525.msg47475606#msg47475606 Added information about the planned distribution of the (reserved) Charm's
05.01.2019 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4392525.msg47566346#msg47566346 About the Architecture of Dorothyum
05.01.2019 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4392525.msg49066619#msg49066619 About Charm as a kind of money, and why we need it. How Vortexledger will be work - without a "general" thing...
  ((it wasn't second post, but both are very important explanation...))
04.11.2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4392525.msg47566346#msg47566346 About the Architecture of Dorothyum
03.08.2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4392525.msg43369328#msg43369328 About 'Standard Sizes' for the use of 'Exchange Bot'
02.06.2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4392525.msg39190876#msg39190876 About our distributed "centralbank" and about a conventional centralbank




We defined some "bigger" physical denomination for our economy:

1 LOVE is 9 999 999 999 Charm.

Yes, we known - it isn't affordable with our virtual Charm - it is reachable only through the phisical form with many ATTENTION, HELPFULLNESS, CHEERFULLNESS, KINDNESS,
PATIENTE, RELIABILITY, ... They producing TRUST in long run - what as the only base for a true community (a partnershift, a family, ...) ...
But TRUST can't be transferred. It is a simple attribute of an acquaintances. It is a kind of KNOWLEDGE about the other side.
We known SEX isn't a LOVE - it is only more better with LOVE, but sometimes more better without LOVE Smiley it don't need it simple... LOVE is maybe better
simetimes without SEX - I hope, this is a truth for everybody.

I will be started later some poll - to define the "bigger" denominations, but please consider, we speaking about a true community...
We have one, here on our GLOBE - Gaia. Maybe bigger - our solar system, our galaxy, our universe, or our world. Our living environment in our world (!).
It needs many LOVE, ATTENTION, ... Or?

And this true community act if it can't trust things agains the LIFE in our GLOBE - Gaia. Merlin said - it is simple form of the Le Chatelier's principle.
Please consider this subjective truth of our LIFE in our GLOBE. Our industrie producing many contamination... To much. Our living environment acting!

Many thanks for your attention...






Its because bitcoin purchasing power growing stronger. Its different with fiat money, always reduce the value by inflation. Compare USD purchasing power, bitcoin always get more goods than fiat money. It could happen in the future 1 btc= 1 lambo

Bitcoin can change to goods, if they exists... If no bees - I think it will be a little more work to serve a PIZZA, FRUITS, OR ...
You will have then bitcoin or gold or a kind of money - BUT NOT as much usable, eatables, trinkables, or other things needed to live!
They neded bees to grow or produce... And no bees any more...






What should I say about Charm?

- It has a fair value - you will get this value, if the project should be closed - i.e. The values behind Charm backs the amount on the market - any time. We published two times, and we working on a solution, to show it in every time. A kind of informations about Charm...
- It is on the crypto market. You can buy it. The market has a value - allways. Maybe more, maybe less as the fair value.
- It is only a small amount reachable for the market at this time. Later it will be organised other ICO's for Charm on other ledgers... We reserved the amount already. And if the market needs more Charm - we are able to issue any time new amount - from our reserves. Of course with new values behind Charm - paralell... Maybe with new custodians. Maybe with other kind of values. Not allways jewelry. Why not?
- It is usable as bitcoin. You can use it in smart contracts on the byteball ledger - if you wish.

- we don't say - it is everything ready. We are reached a milestone - Charm is already a well backed and well usable crypto! It was only in a small portion distributed - and it is enough at this time. Just try it Smiley
- we devepoling agile. This is a milestone - we show, what we planned, already working - of course with a reduced set of requirements. But usable. Maybe more better, as i.e. a paper money - i.e.: bitcoin Smiley or USD Cheesy

Many thanks for interesting and support...
Please try our Charm and Kisses - and please ask your government about the possible tax for Charm and Kisses. Of course in your language - I think it should be enough Cheesy
I think it will be no a big problem to decide for the experts - they has no any tax!! I am sure. Just ask they - better if you get a paper about it Cheesy Please share your "tax free" papers here Cheesy



Charm is at this time a kind of "private" money. A money for a little group of people. For a family or a small organisation. They know each other well..... They trust in the issuer, they knows everything about the possibilities in this small group. Where can we find such crypto's in the coinmarketcap.com ? No similar "big" projects... They fit in "other" categories...... The only market - it wins only since many years!!! Please see the actual state about it:



The best index in crypto world - I think Cheesy

And just compare it with "Nasdaq", "SP500", ... Smiley I am curious...



The planned usage of "um" - our bot for Dorothy - was published in english on the github.
Please consider the legal notice - it exists some little changes agains NOLICENCE...
((we would like to have some profit from our work also in cases of forks or/and if somebody
knows only the "Guttenberg keyboard", but he/she has "better marketing"
(pronunce: more money and/or more might) and uses our work to establish something "new"...)):

https://github.com/ifinta/a-kind-of-RFC/blob/master/RFC-for-Charm.pdf

Any hints, questions, remarks welcome.
Many thanks for support, patiente and attention.



You can see it, what is the actual market situation for Charm.
Green is the fair price for 1 Charm in GBYTE's.
It exists offers at this time below this price on the exchange bot! Just buy it!



... post about the last market situation ...

.. the next market situation ...





I got the role of the PM also... I payed back, what Oz stoled... Really... Please see the treasure table above also.

About the fair price of Charm:

Please visit: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4392525.msg49055122#msg49055122

Abbreviations:

PO - Projekt Owner
PM - Projekt Manager
SM - Scrum Master
HD - The Head of the development
Scrum Team - please see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrum_(software_development)
(ifinta the retired) Clown (ifinta at this time the dev and pm) - in the Kingdom (of Arthur Pendragon) a clown may say everything - really everything... And he (/ she) may thinking (and feeling) about things a little more Smiley

Team:

PO     - Arthur Pendragon (a well known Knight from the Tale!!!)
PM     - ifinta
HD     - ifinta (on Byteball verified asset issuer, the well known Custodian of the EMERALD, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=28645)
SM     - Merlin (the greatest wizard all of time - we need it. As community manager, and for the market also. Maybe to develop our programmers and testers - they needs the knowledge of Merlin sometimes - really...)

About our developments:

The git repository: https://github.com/ifinta/vortexledger
To ask, diskuss things - we would like to use Telegram. I created a group "vortexledger", and we have a channel t.me/vortexledger also...
A reddit post to diskuss the vision, ... on reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/9u2men/a_criticism_of_bitcoin_as_a_kind_of_money_and_a/
My profile on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/istv%C3%A1n-finta-3a295923/
I tweet rarely, but sometimes I do it: https://twitter.com/ifinta66
The twitter page of the projects: https://twitter.com/vortexledger/
The facebook page of the projects: https://www.facebook.com/vortexledger/

About 'No' Republica: https://www.facebook.com/No-Republica-926677260862586/
About P2P NRC - our Foundation for Gaia: https://www.facebook.com/groups/p2pnrc/

The list of the published second posts in this thread:

06.01.2019 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4392525.msg47475606#msg47475606 Added information about the planned distribution of the (reserved) Charm's
05.01.2019 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4392525.msg47566346#msg47566346 About the Architecture of Dorothyum
05.01.2019 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4392525.msg49066619#msg49066619 About Charm as a kind of money, and why we need it. How Vortexledger will be work - without a "general" thing...
  ((it wasn't second post, but both are very important explanation...))
04.11.2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4392525.msg47566346#msg47566346 About the Architecture of Dorothyum
03.08.2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4392525.msg43369328#msg43369328 About 'Standard Sizes' for the use of 'Exchange Bot'
02.06.2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4392525.msg39190876#msg39190876 About our distributed "centralbank" and about a conventional centralbank




About the calculations of the backed amount of Charm.
It is the most important part to understand the changes in the fair price of 1 Charm...:





And today I show an other "Intelligence" behind our work:

http://www.babelmatrix.org/works/hu-all/J%C3%B3zsef_Attila-1905

He documented many feelings, many things, ... as a hungarian "bard" or poet. Before the second world war. He died in Hungary - I think, he was attacked with the same way - as attacks I today feel in my environment agains me and others (not only in Hungary... I should express - in many places in Europa). I think - not I am only a prey (or gambit?) in this "game"...

Best luck - for others...



This post has a different legal notice as the others. If you use it for a company which should pay a tax - you should pay for this information pro companies

0.02 bitcoin to this address:

1PZqTLa5ZmqsLZc9SV9j2J6kSSQKvMH4WD

or 4000 Kisses ( 400000 Charm Smiley ),
or 2 GBYTE (Obyte GBYTE's) to this address (our FUND):

5CQRXFBYSK6FY4W5IGOLWNCRWYX2WH4O

Many thanks for your support.

If you wish an invoice - my company will send you. Just send me a pm here, with the needed invoice data for your side and the transfer do you did -
with a signature of your address. Only Bitcoin, Obyte, Charm or Kisses payment would like we accept Smiley
Many thanks for P. Howard - to give me this simple idea, and many others - to made possible to use this idea in our work.
It is because a needed liquidity for our company only. Many thanks for every support - you can give us. If you send it just for the knowledge - we are happy to get your support also.
Any amount enough, if you don't use it in taxable content.
I can publish different ideas also - maybe from other public reachable intelliegences of course...

Please ask me for the other addresses in pm.

I explain a possible transfer of any file types (I think it shoul work - I tested it sometimes ago - and I used it also on Imgur - same source (tarball or zipped) to store in a secure place).


It needs only i.e. "Dos" "copy" or similar. With binary mode you can add behind a JPG (picture attatchments) your data - with a small header between. I think - it should work on many companies and other places our world.
If not - please answer your opinions.



An example is behind this picture...... A whole repository - saved in zip or tarball (I don't checked at this time - I have not much time to sitting for a pc...) If isn't behind - I would like get your opinions......
And it is good transferrable as e-mail attachment also. You can open it with viewer, with any form of web-explorer - and you see only the picture. The data follows the picture byte stream......
Best luck to filter it.

This post has a different legal notice as the others. If you use it for a company which should pay a tax - you should pay for this information pro companies

0.02 bitcoin to this address:

1PZqTLa5ZmqsLZc9SV9j2J6kSSQKvMH4WD

or 4000 Kisses ( 400000 Charm Smiley ),
or 2 GBYTE (Obyte GBYTE's) to this address (our FUND):

5CQRXFBYSK6FY4W5IGOLWNCRWYX2WH4O

Many thanks for your support.

If you wish an invoice - my company will send you. Just send me a pm here, with the needed invoice data for your side and the transfer do you did -
with a signature of your address. Only Bitcoin, Obyte, Charm or Kisses payment would like we accept Smiley
Many thanks for P. Howard - to give me this simple idea, and many others - to made possible to use this idea in our work.
It is because a needed liquidity for our company only. Many thanks for every support - you can give us. If you send it just for the knowledge - we are happy to get your support also.
Any amount enough, if you don't use it in taxable content.
I can publish different ideas also - maybe from other public reachable intelliegences of course...

Please ask me for the other addresses in pm.

I explain a possible transfer of any file types (I think it shoul work - I tested it sometimes ago - and I used it also on Imgur - same source (tarball or zipped) to store in a secure place).


It needs only i.e. "Dos" "copy" or similar. With binary mode you can add behind a JPG (picture attatchments) your data - with a small header between. I think - it should work on many companies and other places our world.
If not - please answer your opinions.



You only need a good knife to "cut" it. i.e. the unix cut command......
((I don't forget the story about the sword of Arthur Pendragon - it coming. Arthur behind me, and ask me to publish my meanings...... Many thanks for patiente and interesting. Maybe for a possible support.))

An example is behind this picture...... A whole repository - saved in zip or tarball (I don't checked at this time - I have not much time to sitting for a pc...) If isn't behind - I would like get your opinions......
And it is good transferrable as e-mail attachment also. You can open it with viewer, with any form of web-explorer - and you see only the picture. The data follows the picture byte stream......
Best luck to filter it.

This post has a different legal notice as the others. If you use it for a company which should pay a tax - you should pay for this information pro companies

0.02 bitcoin to this address:

1PZqTLa5ZmqsLZc9SV9j2J6kSSQKvMH4WD

or 4000 Kisses ( 400000 Charm Smiley ),
or 2 GBYTE (Obyte GBYTE's) to this address (our FUND):

5CQRXFBYSK6FY4W5IGOLWNCRWYX2WH4O

Many thanks for your support.

If you wish an invoice - my company will send you. Just send me a pm here, with the needed invoice data for your side and the transfer do you did -
with a signature of your address. Only Bitcoin, Obyte, Charm or Kisses payment would like we accept Smiley
Many thanks for P. Howard - to give me this simple idea, and many others - to made possible to use this idea in our work.
It is because a needed liquidity for our company only. Many thanks for every support - you can give us. If you send it just for the knowledge - we are happy to get your support also.
Any amount enough, if you don't use it in taxable content.
I can publish different ideas also - maybe from other public reachable intelliegences of course...

Please ask me for the other addresses in pm.

I explain a possible transfer of any file types (I think it shoul work - I tested it sometimes ago - and I used it also on Imgur - same source (tarball or zipped) to store in a secure place).


It needs only i.e. "Dos" "copy" or similar. With binary mode you can add behind a JPG (picture attatchments) your data - with a small header between. I think - it should work on many companies and other places our world.
If not - please answer your opinions.



I don't find the book in english - I translated the title - maybe not the best: "The city of silent revolvers" ... Maybe it wasn't translated to english.
It could be difficult to translate - the some ground, as the from me published gondolatok.pdf ...

Just to know, and document it.

You only need a good knife to "cut" it. i.e. the unix cut command......
((I don't forget the story about the sword of Arthur Pendragon - it coming. Arthur behind me, and ask me to publish my meanings...... Many thanks for patiente and interesting. Maybe for a possible support.))

An example is behind this picture...... A whole repository - saved in zip or tarball (I don't checked at this time - I have not much time to sitting for a pc...) If isn't behind - I would like get your opinions......
And it is good transferrable as e-mail attachment also. You can open it with viewer, with any form of web-explorer - and you see only the picture. The data follows the picture byte stream......
Best luck to filter it.

This post has a different legal notice as the others. If you use it for a company which should pay a tax - you should pay for this information pro companies

0.02 bitcoin to this address:

1PZqTLa5ZmqsLZc9SV9j2J6kSSQKvMH4WD

or 4000 Kisses ( 400000 Charm Smiley ),
or 2 GBYTE (Obyte GBYTE's) to this address (our FUND):

5CQRXFBYSK6FY4W5IGOLWNCRWYX2WH4O

Many thanks for your support.

If you wish an invoice - my company will send you. Just send me a pm here, with the needed invoice data for your side and the transfer do you did -
with a signature of your address. Only Bitcoin, Obyte, Charm or Kisses payment would like we accept Smiley
Many thanks for P. Howard - to give me this simple idea, and many others - to made possible to use this idea in our work.
It is because a needed liquidity for our company only. Many thanks for every support - you can give us. If you send it just for the knowledge - we are happy to get your support also.
Any amount enough, if you don't use it in taxable content.
I can publish different ideas also - maybe from other public reachable intelliegences of course...

Please ask me for the other addresses in pm.

I explain a possible transfer of any file types (I think it shoul work - I tested it sometimes ago - and I used it also on Imgur - same source (tarball or zipped) to store in a secure place).


It needs only i.e. "Dos" "copy" or similar. With binary mode you can add behind a JPG (picture attatchments) your data - with a small header between. I think - it should work on many companies and other places our world.
If not - please answer your opinions.



Removed the legal notice - to let it open and free...

Many thanks for your support in our big performance ( since greencoin was published... it will be continoue later - be patient -
this is only an (greencoin was the first maybe) episope Smiley ).

About the casting please see below our performers Smiley

The Open Ledger for Charm, for a decentralised P2P "central"bank, will be developed of course fort. Vortexledger also - I hope.
The performance was a kind of publicity and sometimes also a need!

But some remark. We published everything as free (github nolicence - do have all rights and we have no demand) but
if you can talk about our performance, a link, or a (copyleft) notice, or something other support for us - many thanks - it helps us - and
we helped you - we think it is the base of an anonym P2P jurisdiction (( (copyright maybe) Dumas).

Charm is a personal use open ledger at this time with a tokenized emerald for a person and the environment of this person. A personal money.
It has a personal (centralised) central bank. It is backed with a value - you and your environment should be know - what they would like to use.
It is possible to use i.e. working hours, or water, ...

The algo for a decentralized "central"bank is only 5-6 pages (exists already) only, with the know-how how to work a such personal "central"bank.

Many thanks for the attention.

About the fair price of Charm:

Please visit: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4392525.msg49055122#msg49055122

Abbreviations:

PO - Projekt Owner
PM - Projekt Manager
SM - Scrum Master
HD - The Head of the development
Scrum Team - please see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrum_(software_development)
(ifinta the) retired Clown (at this time the dev) - in the Kingdom (of Arthur Pendragon) he (/ she) may say everything - really everything... And he (/ she) may thinking (and feeling) about things a little more Smiley

Team:

PO     - Arthur Pendragon (a well known Knight from the Tale!!!)
PM     - Oz (not on the bitcointalk, maybe in EmeraldCity known Smiley the Team also anonym actually)
HD     - ifinta (on Byteball verified asset issuer, the well known Custodian of the EMERALD, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=28645)
SM     - Merlin (the greatest wizard all of time - we need it. As community manager, and for the market also. Maybe to develop our programmers and testers - they needs the knowledge of Merlin sometimes - really...)

About our developments:

The git repository: https://github.com/ifinta/vortexledger
To ask, diskuss things - we would like to use Telegram. I created a group "vortexledger", and we have a channel t.me/vortexledger also...
A reddit post to diskuss the vision, ... on reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/9u2men/a_criticism_of_bitcoin_as_a_kind_of_money_and_a/
My profile on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/istv%C3%A1n-finta-3a295923/
I tweet rarely, but sometimes I do it: https://twitter.com/ifinta66
The twitter page of the projects: https://twitter.com/vortexledger/
The facebook page of the projects: https://www.facebook.com/vortexledger/

About 'No' Republica: https://www.facebook.com/No-Republica-926677260862586/
About P2P NRC - our Foundation for Gaia: https://www.facebook.com/groups/p2pnrc/

The list of the published second posts in this thread:

06.01.2019 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4392525.msg47475606#msg47475606 Added information about the planned distribution of the (reserved) Charm's
05.01.2019 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4392525.msg47566346#msg47566346 About the Architecture of Dorothyum
05.01.2019 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4392525.msg49066619#msg49066619 About Charm as a kind of money, and why we need it. How Vortexledger will be work - without a "general" thing...
  ((it wasn't second post, but both are very important explanation...))
04.11.2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4392525.msg47566346#msg47566346 About the Architecture of Dorothyum
03.08.2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4392525.msg43369328#msg43369328 About 'Standard Sizes' for the use of 'Exchange Bot'
02.06.2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4392525.msg39190876#msg39190876 About our distributed "centralbank" and about a conventional centralbank


About our "casting" in this "performance":

PO     - Arthur Pendragon (a well known Knight from the Tale!!!)
PM     - Oz (not on the bitcointalk, maybe in EmeraldCity known Smiley the Team also anonym actually)
HD     - ifinta (on Byteball verified asset issuer, the well known Custodian of the EMERALD, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=28645)
SM     - Merlin (the greatest wizard all of time - we need it. As community manager, and for the market also. Maybe to develop our programmers and testers - they needs the knowledge of Merlin sometimes - really...)

I hope you can definetly identify then the only living homo sapiens in the list. If not - just ask others...
Maybe they can help you. Or ask me - here in this thread or on other form. I hope I will live at that time Smiley also......

But the intelligences behind the other performers, and many intelligences also should we rewarded with claps.
Only one intelligence would like to sign this post - a well known homo sapiens. please see below:



He is one of my intelligences, and many thanks for the many books, with many intelligences in it, he defined in his books. I read they up to my ~12nd birthday.
I must to sell many books - because the living situation my mother in that time. She lost his husband (my father) as I was 11. What I had as gived in 2017 to Jasmin
- one of my daughter. I know - Jasmin try to save the books - maybe she read it some already. The first I read for Jazmin, as I knowed - it coming a difficult timeslice
in our live..... In August 2017......

Many thanks Jules - to give the books and the sign for our performance Smiley

Many thanks Smiley for the support for unknown and/or unpublished humans and unknown and/or unpublished intelligences following and supporting our work.



You can see in the treasure table a cell - with Dorotheum in Wien. How was possible to use Dorotheum as a custodian?
Simple. I used the servce "Pfand" (pawn). They give some money - and you get a serious valuation. If somebody will know, where is the good -
you (or a well known eyewitness, if you are anonym) can show the certification from Dorotheum.



You can see in the treasure table a cell - with Dorotheum in Wien. How was possible to use Dorotheum as a custodian?
Simple. I used the servce "Pfand" (pawn). They give some money - and you get a serious valuation. If somebody will know, where is the good -
you (or a well known eyewitness, if you are anonym) can show the certification from Dorotheum.

About the pawn at Dorothyum... But you can choose other institute - for a start here on Dorothy's "um" chat bot (speak it well: on Dorothyum) with a valuable.
https://www.dorotheum-pfand.com/fileadmin/pdf/AGB_Pfand.pdf
This link is for a geman documentation - I know. But, I hope, you find a good english translation or english version.
Just to know: Dorotheum's pawn price is ~20% of retail value! (Retail price: what you must to pay for a work and for the gem's, gold, ... in a jewellery i.e.)



You can see in the treasure table a cell - with Dorotheum in Wien. How was possible to use Dorotheum as a custodian?
Simple. I used the servce "Pfand" (pawn). They give some money - and you get a serious valuation. If somebody will know, where is the good -
you (or a well known eyewitness, if you are anonym) can show the certification from Dorotheum.

About the pawn at Dorothyum... But you can choose other institute - for a start here on Dorothy's "um" chat bot (speak it well: on Dorothyum) with a valuable.
https://www.dorotheum-pfand.com/fileadmin/pdf/AGB_Pfand.pdf
This link is for a geman documentation - I know. But, I hope, you find a good english translation or english version.
Just to know: Dorotheum's pawn price is ~20% of retail value! (Retail price: what you must to pay for a work and for the gem's, gold, ... in a jewellery i.e.)

Why it is important? The pawn (with a reliable institute) is an opportunity to have a little money for your life for some months. You can list your item alone or with an eyewittness on Dorothyum,
and your item will have a value and a certification. You can start an auction for your item. You can get a good price (i.e. 66% of retail value), as I got sometimes agains valuable i.e. on ebay.de .
But you (or your eyewitness) can remain (maybe) the custodian for your item, and you will earn some Kisses periodically, maybe your valueable will got a better price (because it producing PROFIT!!!),
and you (or your eyewitness) can get later the fee as a custodian, and you can earn with Dorothyum more, as usual. You can get more earnings, as retail value your valuable had!!!

If you get pawn - and later your item must be sold through the pawn-institute: you will earn ~20% of retail value
If you sell the item in an auction with a wrong market: you will earn ~10%-20% of the retail value... Less as with a pawn!!
If you sell the item in an auction with a good market: you will earn ~50%-70% of the retail value... i.e. ebay.de, with many luck...
If you get pawn, you listing your item alone as seller (with the certification you got at the pawn-institute) on Dorothyum: you start an auction on dorothyum - you able to earn MORE as the retail value!!!
Maybe much more - if you join at the start!

At this time we have a wrong market for jewellry. The market has to much seller (wars in our world, poverty increases, ...) AND jewellry not producing earnings, as i.e. paper money, crypto paper money or shares...

But in Dorothyum jewellery producing earnings! As shares in our world... It is a big opportunity - I think - to sell things in a such market,
as Dorothyum, for every role (seller, buyer, custodian, owner, Charm owner's, eyewitnesses, ...)





I was in Vienna on Tuesday. We met with Arthur Pendragon. He leaved Hungary a little, and he visited at that time Vienna also.
We met in a small pub, we drinked and speaked some words. Arthur Pendragon asked me again about his sword. What is my opinion...
How was it possible to insert it into the stone and pull it out later.

I started to talk. In my opinion the stone was liquid - it was a lava. The sword had a skin - and the skin was soaked with water well.
After Arthur Pendragon's father inserted the sword in its skin into the lava - Arthur Pendragon's father hold the sword, and used water to
cold down the stone. The sword was fixed well in the stone in.

As Arthur wanted to use the sword - he poured the stone with enough oil and lit it. After some minutes the stone was enough hot, and
Arthur pull the sword out from the stone.

Arthur Pendragon nodded and explained that the skin had to be greased slightly, this enhancement of this process was invented through
his father. Arthur asked me to met with Angharad in London.

After some hour later - I was already in London. It was a terrible night. Angharad met with me. He gived me a little tee, and as I drinked it,
the environment around us changed quickly to a dense dark forest. Angharad asked me to follow she. After 10 minutes we reached the stone.
The same stone from which Artur Pendraon his Excalibur pulled out.

After doing every needed discussion and a little work in London - I left the city and started to travel to home - to Hungary.

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I was in Vienna on Tuesday. We met with Arthur Pendragon.
We met in the small pub, as at the last visit, in a pizzeria - Toto, we drinked and speaked some words.
We asked Toto's waiter for a possible meeting for our members, they was open for such event...

Arthur Pendragon reviewed the treasure table. Many VIP's was striked. He said - the VIP membership was not well - in time - communicated, required.
I will update the table later.

We decided to use USD/KISS ticker in the future. At this time one KISS is about ~5 cents... We spoken about our price destination for a KISS,
it should be ~150 dollar by the end of this year... It is a well value - we think.



Our "haunt" in Vienna:
http://www.totos-vienna.at/



I was in Vienna on Tuesday. We met with Arthur Pendragon.
We met in the small pub, as at the last visit, in a pizzeria - Toto, we drinked and speaked some words.
We asked Toto's waiter for a possible meeting for our members, they was open for such event...

Arthur Pendragon reviewed the treasure table. Many VIP's was striked. He said - the VIP membership was not well - in time - communicated, required.
I will update the table later.

We decided to use USD/KISS ticker in the future. At this time one KISS is about ~7 cents... We spoken about our price destination for a KISS,
it should be ~150 dollar by the end of this year... It is a well value - we think.



Our "haunt" in Hungary don't changed... It remained in Dunakeszi - the La Coma pizzeria - as before.





You can see it, what is the actual market situation for Charm.
Green is the fair price for 1 KISS in USD's.
It exists offers at this time below this price on the exchange bot! Just buy it!
Our destination by end of this year is 150 USD for a KISS. Just to know...



... post about the last market situation ...

.. the next market situation ...






We changed a little the calculation of the backed amount. It is more simple, I think.
It is 1 000 000 000 minus the fund (without amounts reserved for VIP's, it will be a constant from this post - it will be frozen up to the claims through VIP's) AND minus amounts on the Exchange bot.
We can't do anything agains amounts in the wallet of Oz... It was payed - yes, we must accept, Oz got it. We must back with values this amount also for ever......
((it was 0.02 cent lost pro backed Charm, because this scammer... I payed back it already, we accepted as an amount on the market, and corrected the calculation - so it isn't a problem more...))





Arthur Pendragon decided about my salary also. I will get as engineer and project manager the same amount as I got, as I was a clown in this project. I was very happy. I will get the SAME IN KISSES!!!!
It isn't a papermoney as dollar, euro or bitcoin!



Of course I will get as job with this salary to solve every possible risk also......
But I am engineer and PM! Not a clown. Not a zany... Important. A seriously man. Or?
With a BIG BIG responsibility......

Arthur Pendragon decided about my salary also. I will get as engineer and project manager the same amount as I got, as I was a clown in this project. I was very happy. I will get the SAME IN KISSES!!!!
It isn't a papermoney as dollar, euro or bitcoin!



Or...... It is very risky. Maybe... To be a zany better...... I don't know more.
But I get the job. Isn't possible more to drop this responsibility...... I am engineer. For a normal PM to drop the responsibility a daily process... But for me, as engineer, not possible ever. I think. Or?

Of course I will get as job with this salary to solve every possible risk also......
But I am engineer and PM! Not a clown. Not a zany... Important. A seriously man. Or?
With a BIG BIG responsibility......

Arthur Pendragon decided about my salary also. I will get as engineer and project manager the same amount as I got, as I was a clown in this project. I was very happy. I will get the SAME IN KISSES!!!!
It isn't a papermoney as dollar, euro or bitcoin!



I am sleeped a little. It isn't as terrible or isn't as well payed, as I thinked first. It is a simple product.
It should be an average job for me......

A P2P centralbank, but well diversified and well distributed on our whole world. We created the plans, and we chacked, reviewed enough. Just implement and test it well. Simple.

For an engineer should be mean less responsibility as a nuclear war, nuclear bomb or a nuclear powered submarine.

i.e. the third can be remained on the seabed, and... Yes. it is more risky to help to create such things, and it means more hazard for our environment, I think.

Or...... It is very risky. Maybe... To be a zany better...... I don't know more.
But I get the job. Isn't possible more to drop this responsibility...... I am engineer. For a normal PM to drop the responsibility a daily process... But for me, as engineer, not possible ever. I think. Or?

Of course I will get as job with this salary to solve every possible risk also......
But I am engineer and PM! Not a clown. Not a zany... Important. A seriously man. Or?
With a BIG BIG responsibility......

Arthur Pendragon decided about my salary also. I will get as engineer and project manager the same amount as I got, as I was a clown in this project. I was very happy. I will get the SAME IN KISSES!!!!
It isn't a papermoney as dollar, euro or bitcoin!



We decided with Arthur Pendragon to check IOTA, as a possible ledger for Dorothyum, also.

It is more as two years behind as I left the project. Before I left, I spent more as 500000 MIOTA for the IOTA Foundation. To support the work.
Maybe it works well already, and has everything, as we needed. Working and quicky ((less as a day...)) transfer ((it wasn't well stable and quicky in 2017...)), maybe assets, maybe smart contracts,
maybe chat bots, ... Maybe snapshots are fair and square...... Maybe it isn't more centralised. Maybe...... Just check it.

IOTA is the first DAG ledger - good to follow it well. I supported the IOTA team from the time of IOTA ICO!!!



Maybe it is well open source already......

We decided with Arthur Pendragon to check IOTA, as a possible ledger for Dorothyum, also.

It is more as two years behind as I left the project. Before I left, I spent more as 500000 MIOTA for the IOTA Foundation. To support the work.
Maybe it works well already, and has everything, as we needed. Working and quicky ((less as a day...)) transfer ((it wasn't well stable and quicky in 2017...)), maybe assets, maybe smart contracts,
maybe chat bots, ... Maybe snapshots are fair and square...... Maybe it isn't more centralised. Maybe...... Just check it.

IOTA is the first DAG ledger - good to follow it well. I supported the IOTA team from the time of IOTA ICO!!!



IOTA people publish always beautiful visions... I have one also:

A good charge station for a drone - with a box (or more) to store a gemstone (or jewellery, a ring i.e.) - and ready to take away.
The box has a camera in it with LED lights - the drone can check the content and can take the gemstone in a box away - if somebody would be have it agains Charm i.e.
The custodian is a robot... What are you think? What is your opinions?

Maybe it is well open source already......

We decided with Arthur Pendragon to check IOTA, as a possible ledger for Dorothyum, also.

It is more as two years behind as I left the project. Before I left, I spent more as 500000 MIOTA for the IOTA Foundation. To support the work.
Maybe it works well already, and has everything, as we needed. Working and quicky ((less as a day...)) transfer ((it wasn't well stable and quicky in 2017...)), maybe assets, maybe smart contracts,
maybe chat bots, ... Maybe snapshots are fair and square...... Maybe it isn't more centralised. Maybe...... Just check it.

IOTA is the first DAG ledger - good to follow it well. I supported the IOTA team from the time of IOTA ICO!!!



You can see it, what is the actual market situation for Charm.
Green is the fair price for 1 KISS in USD's.
It exists offers at this time below this price on the exchange bot! Just buy it!
Our destination by end of this year is 150 USD for a KISS. Just to know...

((the amount at unknown owners - i.e. Oz - and the percentage of the owners was corrected...))



... post about the last market situation ...

.. the next market situation ...



The protocol about the ownership of Austria (about a concilation at the Embassy of Austria in Budapest) will published next week -
after some official steps with court hearing on Monday, and after a concilation at Ombudsman on Thuesday...

Many thanks for attention and support.

You can see it, what is the actual market situation for Charm.
Green is the fair price for 1 KISS in USD's.
It exists offers at this time below this price on the exchange bot! Just buy it!
Our destination by end of this year is 150 USD for a KISS. Just to know...

((the amount at unknown owners - i.e. Oz - and the percentage of the owners was corrected...))



... post about the last market situation ...




We are planning an ICO for Vortexledger.
We started a poll about the ICO on the Ardor Ledger. Ardor works fine. Many thanks for the Team behind Ardor: https://www.jelurida.com/

((We checking Ardor at this time - maybe better for Charm, as Ethereum......))

Please, vote!!!







Yes, I know. I should use "Crownfunding" and not ICO, but nobody knows here what is "Crownfunding". BUT everybody would like to be rich through ICO's......
We MUST use the word: ICO. Sorry. It is a marketing thing, and it is a must...

We are planning an ICO for Vortexledger.
We started a poll about the ICO on the Ardor Ledger. Ardor works fine. Many thanks for the Team behind Ardor: https://www.jelurida.com/

((We checking Ardor at this time - maybe better for Charm, as Ethereum......))

Please, vote!!!







Just to know. We are selected the CEO of the FED for Bitcoin Smiley

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1926978.msg50162918#msg50162918



FYI





about the emerald - you can find everything already in this forum:
No bid. Good. I understand. Nobody would like take such a share. This auction was closed with this post.

If you owns this emerald - it is no matter how - Arthur Pendragon said: the cell belongs to you!!!

The protocol about the ownership of Austria (about a concilation at the Embassy of Austria in Budapest) will published next week -
after some official steps with court hearing on Monday, and after a concilation at Ombudsman on Thuesday...

Many thanks for attention and support.

You can see it, what is the actual market situation for Charm.
Green is the fair price for 1 KISS in USD's.
It exists offers at this time below this price on the exchange bot! Just buy it!
Our destination by end of this year is 150 USD for a KISS. Just to know...

((the amount at unknown owners - i.e. Oz - and the percentage of the owners was corrected...))



... post about the last market situation ...




No bid. Good. I understand. Nobody would like take such a share. This auction was closed with this post.

The emerald belongs since 8.3.2019 to Austria...
Please see our official thread about.
The Charm value will be corrected to the actual sales value of the emerald, AND the actual fair value of Charm.



No bid. Good. I understand. Nobody would like take such a share. This auction was closed with this post.

The emerald belongs since 8.3.2019 to Austria...
Please see our official thread about.
The Charm value will be corrected to the actual sales value of the emerald, AND the actual fair value of Charm.

We corrected the Cell Value. Please see below:
This emerald and this cell backs 11813422 Charm - up to this cell exists.



The emerald unique - because the Jardin in it - and because the IGI certification.
IGI should be able to decide about a similar emerald - it is the same or not.
Many thanks for attention and support.

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If the plan will be done, what we with Arthur Pendragon published - this amount of Kisses will costs end of this year: 17 720 133 USD
It means - you should then invest a such amount of values end of this year (if the plan realised well), if you would like to own a such share in Dorothyum......

No bid. Good. I understand. Nobody would like take such a share. This auction was closed with this post.

The emerald belongs since 8.3.2019 to Austria...
Please see our official thread about.
The Charm value will be corrected to the actual sales value of the emerald, AND the actual fair value of Charm.

We corrected the Cell Value. Please see below:
This emerald and this cell backs 11813422 Charm - up to this cell exists.



The emerald unique - because the Jardin in it - and because the IGI certification.
IGI should be able to decide about a similar emerald - it is the same or not.
Many thanks for attention and support.


Please visit our projects on this forum: Charm, Dorothyum and Vortexledger (an open ledger for "No" Money, for barter)
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Many thanks for the ideas. I forked the whole project, and I will send some hints, corrections later. Maybe a working bot Wink
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Many thanks for the ideas. I forked the whole project, and I will send some hints, corrections later. Maybe a working bot Wink


Many thanks. If you able to develop the bot, we are ready to pay with kisses...... It is good for you? Or do you wants only develop - and some THANKS, and nothing more?



We start a new thread about the possible value for 1 THANK.
Many THANKS for contribution Cheesy

The first 5 vote will got a merit! ((I hope, I can give it, if not, we will diskuss it in pm...))

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5124102.0

Many thanks for the ideas. I forked the whole project, and I will send some hints, corrections later. Maybe a working bot Wink


Many thanks. If you able to develop the bot, we are ready to pay with kisses...... It is good for you? Or do you wants only develop - and some THANKS, and nothing more?




We start a new thread about the possible value for 1 THANK.
Many THANKS for contribution Cheesy

The first 5 vote will got a merit! ((I hope, I can give it, if not, we will diskuss it in pm...))

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5124102.0

Many thanks for the ideas. I forked the whole project, and I will send some hints, corrections later. Maybe a working bot Wink


Many thanks. If you able to develop the bot, we are ready to pay with kisses...... It is good for you? Or do you wants only develop - and some THANKS, and nothing more?


Sorry - I am out of possible merit's - I would like to give a THANK after a vote then - if it is good for the voters......



Arthur Pendragon decided about the rate. So I locked the poll.

1 THANK = 11111.11 KISSes = 1111111 CHARM ((it was possible in our ICO to buy 1 THANK in one transaction agains 0.02 Bitcoin maximal...))

Many thanks for ICO contributors, for the votes, and for opinions... Smiley



FYI

https://blockchain-expo.com/global/





Arthur Pengragon decided to take in the treasure this diamond ring also...
It is because, we decided to take some Charm from the Fund away, donated some THANKs bacause this article on Medium:
https://medium.com/@thinkoutsidetheblox/why-bitcoin-and-crypto-have-no-future-4f95980bb774
we would like to do some airdrop on the Blockchain Expo, and we would like to remain Charm well backed with valuables.

Many THANKs for the article, @thinkoutsidetheblox Smiley

I will update the treasure table ASAP to have an actual fair value for Charm...

...


And the certificate about the central stone:





You can see it, what is the actual market situation for Charm.
Green is the fair price for 1 KISS in USD's.
It exists offers at this time below this price on the exchange bot! Just buy it!
Our destination by end of this year is 150 USD for a KISS. Just to know...



... post about the last market situation ...

.. the next market situation ...



Arthur Pendragon decided about the rate. So I locked the poll.

1 THANK = 11111.11 KISSes = 1111111 CHARM ((it was possible in our ICO to buy 1 THANK in one transaction agains 0.02 Bitcoin maximal...))

Many thanks for ICO contributors, for the votes, and for opinions... Smiley

After some diskussions, we changed 1 THANK to be equal to 1111 Charm... It should be only a little more as a KISS - we think, but much more as a Charm. Sorry because the changes, we think the new rate is better.
More informations are coming...



Arthur Pendragon and Merlin found Oz in Las Palmas in the Canarias.
They got all of the resources ( dev tools, Charm's and everything ) we lost. Then Oz was allowed to escape with a sailingboat. Best luck, Oz! We payed some Charm for the first idea...
We could to reorganise the Treasure Table. We removed many rows, i.e. USD/HUF rate, and many other not more necessary elements.
We removed all offers from the market, to update it for the next weeks, for i.e. Blockchain Expo in London.
We will just publish the new Treasure Table with Cells and Cell Values, Charm not more depend of any other coins, or USD, ... We use just USD only to have a guidance.



You can see it, what is the actual market situation for Charm.
Green is the fair price for 1 KISS in USD's.
1 THANK = 1111 Charm and at this time ~ = 1 USD . Just to know. A very stable coin.



... post about the last market situation ...

.. the next market situation ...

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We start a new thread about the possible value for 1 THANK.
Many THANKS for contribution Cheesy

The first 5 vote will got a merit! ((I hope, I can give it, if not, we will diskuss it in pm...))

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5124102.0

Many thanks for the ideas. I forked the whole project, and I will send some hints, corrections later. Maybe a working bot Wink


Many thanks. If you able to develop the bot, we are ready to pay with kisses...... It is good for you? Or do you wants only develop - and some THANKS, and nothing more?

Please visit our projects on this forum: Charm, Dorothyum and Vortexledger (an open ledger for "No" Money, for barter)
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