These boards require additional moderators

[AverageGlabella]

Bitcoin Discussion
Economics
Altcoin Discussion

These boards are one of the most popular in the whole forum yet they either have 0 dedicated moderators or they only have 1. The Bitcoin Discussion one only has hilariousandco who is a Global Moderator which covers the whole of the forum and is a dedicated moderator in other boards too. Altcoin Discussion is covered by mprep who is currently covering the whole of the altcoin boards which just isn't enough considering the amount of spam that goes on over there. Economics doesn't even have a moderator even though it gets hundreds of replies each day.

Let's have a look at each board and their current problems as of the time of posting this:

Bitcoin Discussion - Currently covered in megathreads which are bumping legitimate discussions out into the 3rd or 4th page. Several topics which are posting telegram links and thats it.

Economics - Completely overrun by megathreads and shit posts just saying "too the moon" I don't frequent this board because of this.

Altcoin Discussion - Pretty much the same problems as Bitcoin Discussion but much much worse.

I'm sick and tired of having to post in serious discussion where there isn't that much engagement.

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[AverageGlabella]

I'm hoping that we can have a community discussion which would be similar to: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3292413.msg34350945#msg34350945

We don't have any stats but hopefully if theymos agrees he can release those here in this thread. Instead for the time being I will list threads which are publicly helping and maybe find possible candidates:
1. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1926895.0 - Several members have posted reports here
2. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4320682.0
3. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4198858.0
4. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3922020.0 - Several members here have posted their reports publicly
5. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4188412.0

[hilariousetc]

The entire board is over run with shit threads. I've been suggesting for a while that most sub boards need at least one dedicated non-Global mod, but until we tackle the issue at the source and do something about those who are paying them to make this mess nothing will change no matter how much moderation power you throw at it. Even a handful of new moderators can't win against hundreds if not thousands of automated bots and many multiples more of desperate shitposters who are signing up here to earn a living. More and more ICOs post here month after month and hundreds of spammers sign up every day often with multiple alt accounts each to claim their bounties and that's something that just isn't manageable. If campaigns pay these people then they need to be punished. If people only got paid for quality posts then the culture around here would change pretty quickly.

[AverageGlabella]

I do agree with what you are saying but some of the spam isn't related to signatures and it's people posting copy and pasted content, account farmers and people asking questions which are in the complete wrong board. Then we have the people who are posting there trying to rank up there accounts to some day earn signature rewards and if we made it more difficult for people to earn then they would still spam nonsense just on the off chance that someday they will get enough merit and get accepted. The economics board is in desperate need of a moderator and the altcoin boards in general. There will always be continous posts on the current price of Bitcoin and a lot of spam to go with it with or without signatures and the altcoin boards will always be littered with spam because of the hype that they generate and the promise of making money even without bounties. Bitcoin discussion will always be spammed because its the first board people see and will likely post anything and everything in there. 

[pugman]

These 3 boards do have good discussions sometimes but the rest of them are shit. I want to have good discussions there but every time I go there,I shit threads,and I just go back to what I was doing before.
How about introducing voluntary staff? Like hire more people to volunteer ,and help clean the forum. There are a few people who might readily do so,probably. It can temporary or permanent,whatever is feasible. There's no harm in trying,is there?

[Jet Cash]

Maybe we need a board for posters talking through their bots. 'bot' is a shortform of the word 'bottom', which is an English euphemism for 'arse' ( or ass in the US ).

Mods could just move threads and posts onto this board, that is if they don't delete them.

[AverageGlabella]

These 3 boards do have good discussions sometimes but the rest of them are shit. I want to have good discussions there but every time I go there,I shit threads,and I just go back to what I was doing before.
How about introducing voluntary staff? Like hire more people to volunteer ,and help clean the forum. There are a few people who might readily do so,probably. It can temporary or permanent,whatever is feasible. There's no harm in trying,is there?

Exactly!

They do have good discussions but they are often lost a few pages into the board.

Aren't all staff members volunteers?

[hilariousandco]

You can argue whether we're volunteers or not. Staff are paid every month, but we're not technically employees.

[AverageGlabella]

Maybe Pugmans suggestion of people who 'volunteer' and don't get paid like the usual staff 'volunteers' could be an if funds are tight but I don't think this is the case and probably isn't the reason why theymos hasn't got more mods in these boards.

[eddie13]

until we tackle the issue at the source and do something about those who are paying them to make this mess nothing will change no matter how much moderation power you throw at it.

ICOs have ruined btct and damn near ruined all of crypto..
I have touched on this subject a few times and feel exactly the same way..
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3945231.msg37755380#msg37755380
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3833424.msg37935684#msg37935684
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3955810.msg37760900#msg37760900

What can we really do to retaliate against these funders of destruction?

It's pretty plane to see who are responsible but what constitutes enough proof to slap their company rep accounts with red trust or start deleting their main threads?
If it could be proven that they are knowingly sponsoring spam will you nuke their ANN and bounty threads? Nuke their rep accounts? That would be epic..
Can you just nuke sig campaign threads that are obviously not moderating their posters?

Somehow ya gotta start putting the hurt directly on the companies..

[Saidasun]

until we tackle the issue at the source and do something about those who are paying them to make this mess nothing will change no matter how much moderation power you throw at it.

ICOs have ruined btct and damn near ruined all of crypto..
I have touched on this subject a few times and feel exactly the same way..
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3945231.msg37755380#msg37755380
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3833424.msg37935684#msg37935684
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3955810.msg37760900#msg37760900

What can we really do to retaliate against these funders of destruction?

It's pretty plane to see who are responsible but what constitutes enough proof to slap their company rep accounts with red trust or start deleting their main threads?
If it could be proven that they are knowingly sponsoring spam will you nuke their ANN and bounty threads? Nuke their rep accounts? That would be epic..
Can you just nuke sig campaign threads that are obviously not moderating their posters?

Somehow ya gotta start putting the hurt directly on the companies..

Why do you think they care about red trust? Especially so when the trust reads something like "Employs spammers" because the people wanting to advertise do not care about the people who are going to be advertising their site as long as it's advertising and some sort of impressions per month or post per month get reached.

THEY ONLY CARE ABOUT HOW MANY PEOPLE SEE IT

They don't care about the quality of the forum or who they employ to do the job. However theres only one way to find out if red trust will affect things and that's to do it. Give signature campaign mangers red trust if they are caught not doing their job and enrolling multiple spammers.

It's easy to prove if they are knowingly sponsoring spam by sending them a list of people they have enrolled that are currently spamming and if they don't do anything about it then you can tag them because they obviously don't care as long as they get paid.

[AverageGlabella]

Although signature/bounty campaigns are contributing to it I don't think this is the ultimate problem. I do agree with eddie that nuking the accounts responsible for hiring spammers could be the way to go and following Saidasuns recommendations on how to know if someone doesn't care about the quality of users.

Maybe the current staff that moderate these boards could offering some insight on whether they are struggling or if there just isn't enough reports?

[eddie13]

Why do you think they care about red trust? Especially so when the trust reads something like "Employs spammers" because the people wanting to advertise do not care about the people who are going to be advertising their site as long as it's advertising and some sort of impressions per month or post per month get reached.

"Investors" might think twice about putting their money and/or effort into a project whose main threads have red tags right on the OP..
I would hope anyway..

[bitart]

Why do you think they care about red trust? Especially so when the trust reads something like "Employs spammers" because the people wanting to advertise do not care about the people who are going to be advertising their site as long as it's advertising and some sort of impressions per month or post per month get reached.

"Investors" might think twice about putting their money and/or effort into a project whose main threads have red tags right on the OP..
I would hope anyway..

I don't think so, in connection with bounties...
Bounties are giving out tokes, which they have in an unlimited amount (theoretically, because they are the issuers of their own tokens) so they don't risk real money, so if there's no risk, there's no need to care about the red flags, they have nothing to lose.... so as long as a red tagged bounty manager is cheaper (this is the only real cost) he will get the job...

[digaran]

I am willing to volunteer for any section. no strings attached.

[InvoKing]

I am willing to volunteer for any section. no strings attached.

Archival doesn't have any moderator
Your comment to OGNasty in the other topic and this, lol digaran.

Back to the topic, our boss needs to discuss this with the staff, mprep (or any other mod) cannot alone (+/- global mod) moderate half of the forum (alternate cryptocurrencies), as i said before bounties alone needs its own mod...

[funsponge]

I am willing to volunteer for any section. no strings attached.

Archival doesn't have any moderator
Your comment to OGNasty in the other topic and this, lol digaran.

Back to the topic, our boss needs to discuss this with the staff, mprep (or any other mod) cannot alone (+/- global mod) moderate half of the forum (alternate cryptocurrencies), as i said before bounties alone needs its own mod...

Bounties just need to be removed. Let them scam and spam elsewhere as it's just ruining half the sub forums on this forum. I doubt any meaningful members will miss it. 

[Welsh]

As far as I can tell mprep, and Hilariousandco does pretty well when reports are coming in, There's probably just a lack of reports that are being made, and at certain times they aren't on, and the section gets spammed. Even then though the reports only sit for a few hours, and are eventually dealt with in one big chunk. I guess finding someone to cover for them when they are away/sleeping could be of benefit. There's probably another staff member that could fill in this position rather than a new one?

I can't answer for them though, but I imagine a large part of things not getting dealt with is due to the lack of reports. Economics probably does need a dedicated mod, and would benefit from it just like P&S is right now.

[coinlocket$]

Bounties just need to be removed. Let them scam and spam elsewhere as it's just ruining half the sub forums on this forum. I doubt any meaningful members will miss it. 

If admin remove bounties he does an economical suicide, a competitor will born and 90% of traffic will move and yes for sure the quality of the forum will increase a lot.
Just ignore the section if you don't have the need to be part of it.

[actmyname]

If admin remove bounties he does an economical suicide, a competitor will born and 90% of traffic will move and yes for sure the quality of the forum will increase a lot.
Just ignore the section if you don't have the need to be part of it.

Oh, of course. If we're talking strictly about spam concentrated in the board. But bounties, among other things, cause people who wear signatures to spam their bs all over the forum.

Notice: Bitcoin Discussion, Economics, Trading Discussion, etc. are all filled to the brim with meaningless discussion about the most general shit that anyone can whip up a quick 100-word redundant paragraph in a minute.

We don't need any more 10-page threads about "ok the price is now n and it should be m, but maybe it will fall to p. i believe bitcoin the technology will go up and go to m though"