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June 01, 2018, 10:33:31 PM
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Oh, of course. If we're talking strictly about spam concentrated in the board. But bounties, among other things, cause people who wear signatures to spam their bs all over the forum.
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You right if we talk over the forum, I thought he was talking about the altcoin / bounty section.

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June 02, 2018, 07:12:47 AM
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You can argue whether we're volunteers or not. Staff are paid every month, but we're not technically employees.
On most forums I know, moderators aren't paid at all. And most forums have much less spam too. It feels like a fight that was lost the moment spammers got away with earning money from their spam.
It's a vicious circle: if the spam would be handled fast enough, they wouldn't earn from it, and spam wouldn't be worth it. At the moment there's too much spam to handle, they get away with it, and earn money.

It's pretty plane to see who are responsible but what constitutes enough proof to slap their company rep accounts with red trust or start deleting their main threads?
I would like to see very strict (and enforced) rules to post Altcoin ANN and bounty threads.

Why do you think they care about red trust?
A solution could be to disable signatures for anybody at -4 red trust DT2.

If admin remove bounties he does an economical suicide, a competitor will born and 90% of traffic will move and yes for sure the quality of the forum will increase a lot.
I don't think theymos cares about the revenue that much. I base this on the fact that he doesn't allow ICOs to advertise on the forum anymore.

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June 02, 2018, 11:15:59 AM
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That's a fair point about removing signatures for people with a certain negative trust that could work. Other forums don't have the traffic that this forum does have so it's going to have a lot more spam than other forums.

I don't think theymos cares about the revenue that much. I base this on the fact that he doesn't allow ICOs to advertise on the forum anymore.
Yeah but that's probably because of moral reasons and how most of them are scams.

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June 02, 2018, 11:31:34 AM
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Why do you think they care about red trust?
A solution could be to disable signatures for anybody at -4 red trust DT2.
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Why -4? If a red trust comes from a DT2, it should be serious, so if red trust exists, signatures should be removed. After, if the red trust was really a mistake or if the user can explain why the red should be removed, the signature can be allowed again.

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June 02, 2018, 01:01:04 PM
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You can argue whether we're volunteers or not. Staff are paid every month, but we're not technically employees.
On most forums I know, moderators aren't paid at all. And most forums have much less spam too. It feels like a fight that was lost the moment spammers got away with earning money from their spam.
It's a vicious circle: if the spam would be handled fast enough, they wouldn't earn from it, and spam wouldn't be worth it. At the moment there's too much spam to handle, they get away with it, and earn money.


I've been a mod of several forums before and you're right that they're normally just volunteer positions but this forum is pretty unique really with the amount of money that is able to be earned here which just exacerbates the problems as the forum continues to grow at an exponential rate. As with most forums, they tend to go through staff pretty quickly as it's largely a thankless task and this would be infinitely worse if there was no mod payments as people would just give up because it wouldn't be worth the stress or hassle. Many staff have already walked away or got burnt out over the years (BadBear, tysat, miningbuddy just to name a few), and there's quite a few more that seem to get less and less active with each passing month (grue and some of the local mods etc), and the more and more users that sign up here the bigger the workload gets piled on existing staff, so that's why the workload should be distributed a bit or more staff added to meet demand.

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June 02, 2018, 01:02:55 PM
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A solution could be to disable signatures for anybody at -4 red trust DT2.
This would undoubtedly lead to abuse where several members on the DT2 aren't really considered trustworthy themselves and have a few negatives from people on DT2. Anyway aren't most signature campaigns disallowing people with red trust from joining? So it should not be a problem.
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June 02, 2018, 01:09:52 PM
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A solution could be to disable signatures for anybody at -4 red trust DT2.
This would undoubtedly lead to abuse where several members on the DT2 aren't really considered trustworthy themselves and have a few negatives from people on DT2. Anyway aren't most signature campaigns disallowing people with red trust from joining? So it should not be a problem.

Yeah, I don't think this would be a good idea and would lead to a lot of hysterical crying and possibly malicious abuse. Most scammers can't join signature campaigns anyway, but on the flip side there are campaigns that will accept them, but I don't think negative feedback should wholly disqualify you from campaigns (but this should be decided on a case by case basis).

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June 02, 2018, 01:18:16 PM
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Yeah, I don't think this would be a good idea and would lead to a lot of hysterical crying and possibly malicious abuse. Most scammers can't join signature campaigns anyway, but on the flip side there are campaigns that will accept them, but I don't think negative feedback should wholly disqualify you from campaigns (but this should be decided on a case by case basis).
That's a very good point about negatives should be considered on a case by case basis. I think a lot of the managers put that in so they don't have to research each individual case though. Another sigh that these people who are running these spam campaigns are lazy.
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June 02, 2018, 08:20:43 PM
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Even you are right, this is not parmanet solution to prevent spammer and shitpost. Unless we change our mind. Main problem on our mind. Even 100 moderator assign but there is million people posting daily. They are not robot !
So how can they prevent it ? I always said " prevention is better than cure".

First we need behave our self to make quality post. Then we can report to moderator those are shitpost we find. So that they can delete it.
Every one should help clean this forum. Not only moderator alone can do anything.

Let's build this forum clean together.

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June 02, 2018, 08:50:23 PM
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Even you are right, this is not solution to prevent spammer and shitpost. Unless we change our mind. Even 100 moderator assign but there is million people posting daily. They are not robot !
So how can they prevent it ? I always said " prevention is better than cure".

First we need behave our self to make quality post. Then we can report to moderator those are shitpost we find. So that they can delete it.
Every one should help clean this forum. Not only moderator alone can do anything.

Let's build this forum clean together.

Moderators can prevent us seeing as much as we are seeing now even if it only curbs it. There's a real issue right now and any discussion in altcoin discussions or Bitcoin discussion is impossible. Topics which are easy to answer with generic answers are the ones which keep on getting bumped. Where as the actual intellectual discussions that require a little thought are buried a few pages in.

It's an issue that could be tackled with an additional moderator or two. The same goes with altcoin discussion. I'm sure the moderators which are covering those boards would appreciate it too as they are probably waking up to a lot of reports.
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June 02, 2018, 09:39:00 PM
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Bitcoin Discussion
Economics
Altcoin Discussion

These boards are one of the most popular in the whole forum yet they either have 0 dedicated moderators or they only have 1. The Bitcoin Discussion one only has hilariousandco who is a Global Moderator which covers the whole of the forum and is a dedicated moderator in other boards too. Altcoin Discussion is covered by mprep who is currently covering the whole of the altcoin boards which just isn't enough considering the amount of spam that goes on over there. Economics doesn't even have a moderator even though it gets hundreds of replies each day.

Let's have a look at each board and their current problems as of the time of posting this:

Bitcoin Discussion - Currently covered in megathreads which are bumping legitimate discussions out into the 3rd or 4th page. Several topics which are posting telegram links and thats it.

Economics - Completely overrun by megathreads and shit posts just saying "too the moon" I don't frequent this board because of this.

Altcoin Discussion - Pretty much the same problems as Bitcoin Discussion but much much worse.

I'm sick and tired of having to post in serious discussion where there isn't that much engagement.



i could take eventually altcoin discussion

but i demand all my negative trust to be removed or outbalanced

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i could take eventually altcoin discussion

but i demand all my negative trust to be removed or outbalanced

Then I would like to beat you to it by asking for 35 seconds alone with alia. I would moderate for the rest of my life for free if I can get that 35 seconds. Wink

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Question is that do we have reputed members that will be able to handle this responsibility. Most of the old members here are active only in their free time. Moderation on a busy forum like this can be quite time consuming. It can even consume more time that a regular  job in some situations.

Another possible reason behind less moderators can be lack of funds to pay them. This is less probable though in my opinion.
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June 03, 2018, 08:00:31 PM
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IMO Development & Technical Discussion also need one/two additional moderator with some technical since i've seen account farmer or newcomers give totally wrong/FUD information.

But the fastest solution would be removing signature from this forum. I'm sure bitcointalk.org won't die since there are other discussion board/forum such as r/bitcoin have many members even though they're not paid for post.

I'm not sure as I don't tend to visit that board that often. Although looks like achow101 might be the only active moderator there at the moment as gmaxwell looks to be inactive.

I think Bitcoin Discussion and altcoin discussion is much more in need of moderation though due to the sheer amount that gets posted there in a day.
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Another possible reason behind less moderators can be lack of funds to pay them. This is less probable though in my opinion.

theymos (and the other mods) have already been decently clear in letting people know that although mods are paid, it's still nothing near a job and should be considered as volunteering with small monthly rewards.
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Question is that do we have reputed members that will be able to handle this responsibility. Most of the old members here are active only in their free time. Moderation on a busy forum like this can be quite time consuming. It can even consume more time that a regular  job in some situations.

We wouldn't need someone to do a full time job. You would just need people in a timezone which isn't currently being moderated or someone who reports in times when the spam is too much for the current moderator to deal with.

I'm sure there's several members that are reputable enough for the job.

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Definitely. Given that one of our board doesn't have a moderator,this doesn't seem to be a priority at all.

Question is that do we have reputed members that will be able to handle this responsibility. Most of the old members here are active only in their free time. Moderation on a busy forum like this can be quite time consuming. It can even consume more time that a regular  job in some situations.
It's not just about being a reputable members.Moderators have a set of responsibilities to take care of which comes with experience in reporting posts in general.So ideally you would want members with high post reporting accuracy.

Another possible reason behind less moderators can be lack of funds to pay them. This is less probable though in my opinion.
I doubt that.Forum makes enough money through adds and of course massive donations in the past.

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June 04, 2018, 07:32:54 PM
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Definitely. Given that one of our board doesn't have a moderator,this doesn't seem to be a priority at all.

Question is that do we have reputed members that will be able to handle this responsibility. Most of the old members here are active only in their free time. Moderation on a busy forum like this can be quite time consuming. It can even consume more time that a regular  job in some situations.
It's not just about being a reputable members.Moderators have a set of responsibilities to take care of which comes with experience in reporting posts in general.So ideally you would want members with high post reporting accuracy.

Another possible reason behind less moderators can be lack of funds to pay them. This is less probable though in my opinion.
I doubt that.Forum makes enough money through adds and of course massive donations in the past.

I think I agree that moderation is not a priority judging by the lack of response from any of the higher ups that could change this. I'm taking the merit fro mprep and hilarious that they agree with the concerns voiced.
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I doubt that.Forum makes enough money through adds and of course massive donations in the past.
Mods only get paid from advertisement funds as far as I'm aware.
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