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June 06, 2018, 12:25:13 AM
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A friend from Europe asked me to talk about the trucker's strike in Brazil.

That's not an easy task, as the "strike" (which is not a strike at all, as I will explain) is a peak event in a long crisis. I will try to explain our bizarre country to you guys, who lives in a normal country.

The first thing that someone from a Western Europe or from USA must understand is that here in Brazil we live a socialist economy (or close to that).
In the Index of Economic Freedom, from Heritage Foundation, Brazil is the country 153 out of 180.
The Estate controls everything, from gas price to the salaries, water and electricity....



About the trucker's strike, everything began in the 50s, when a President called Juscelino Kubitschek created a Keynesian economic plan that would make our country grow "50 years in 5 years".
He was working with the famous (among socialists worldwide) Keynesian economist Celso Furtado, which ruined our economy a few times.

Juscelino thought that the best for Brazil was to build roads connecting the whole country, ignoring all other means of transportation. He got very high loans, which we are probably still paying for them.

As a result of his plans we do not have railroads or waterways in Brazil (a few only), and almost everything is transported by trucks. Truckers and trucker's unions are a strong category here in Brazil.
This is terrible for our economy as Brazil is a big country and transporting products on trucks is expensive. We pay for this expensive transportation in every product we consume.



In the 2002 the centrists (social democrats) lost the election and Lula (former union leader, socialist-oriented and Chaves' friend) became the president. He was president until 2010 and elected his successor from the same party twice, at 2010 and 2014. They ran a very popular program called "bolsa familia" which pays about 70 USD monthly to 25% of Brazil's population. To receive the money, you cannot work. If you work, you lose the free money from bolsa familia. This program was responsible for this party high popularity over those dark years.

But in 2016 the country economy was mostly destroyed and corruption scandals involving the former President lead to an impeachment. Later on Lula was arrested for corruption. (Lula was basically giving billions and billions of dollars from Brazil to Cuba and Venezuela for free, through a company called Odebrecht). The vice president, Temer, who is from another party is now leading the country. He is not a socialist, but still involved in the same corruption schemes as Lula. But as he is not a socialist,  the economy was recovering.


Temer's is not popular. Temer is the vice president of Dilma, the socialist candidate who won the election. But he is not socialist, and people who voted for dilma wanted a socialist. The rest of the country also do not like him, because he is corrupted and associated to Dilma and Lula. Nobody likes him.

In Brazil we have a weird tax called imposto sindical (union tax). Everyone who works, must pay one day per year of their earnings to an union. As a result, we have now over 16 thousand unions . I told you my country was bizarre. People who work have to pay Bolsa Familia (25% of the country, who doesnt work) and to more people who dont work, the Unions.

Temer, who is now our president,  in a A Momentary Lapse of Reason decided to terminate this crazy tax. As expected he faced the fury of 16 thousand unions who were millionaires and now would have to work. How can someone be so evil, forcing people to work? What about "their rights"?

After Lula was arrested, there were many strikes claiming for Lula, things like "Free Lula". They were mostly lead by syndicates and people who receive bolsa familia. Nobody cared about those "strikes", as the strikers don't work anyway, and very few people participated in those strikes.

Few days ago, the Trucker's Union and few big private companies decided to do a Strike, forcing the government to reduce gas prices so they could make more money.
But this was not a common strike, this was a blockade.



Truckers stopped their trucks in front of refineries and strategic road hubs, blocking all accesses.
As a result, we had gasoline shortage, medicine shortage, food shortage, etc...

Most of the media said this strike was not made by unions (everyone hates them in Brazil). But this is false.
One of the first things Temer did to stop the strike was "the termination of the legal actions proposed by the government against the entities that promoted the strike"

Well, in the end, the striked stopped when Petrobras CEO resigned.
Petrobras is the biggest company in Brazil, with a marketcap similar to Ethereum marketcap. Petrobras is a state owned company which has the monopoly of oil & gas industry in the country.  Petrobras controls the gasoline and diesel prices. Petrobras CEO was market-oriented and said he would not sell gasoline below the market price, as the truckers and unions wanted. He was forced to resign, and the strike ended in the same day.

Now Petrobras is going to sell gasoline and diesel below the market. The company will soon be smaller than  Ripple and unions will be happy.


As a result for this mess caused by an incompetent government and truckers and unions, Bolsonaro, a conservative candidate, is now leading all polls in all scenarios with all possible candidates.

This is very important, as we never had a truly conservative and right wing president after the authoritarian regime ended, in the 80s.

Sorry for my grammar mistakes.
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June 07, 2018, 08:55:50 AM
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In Brazil we have a weird tax called imposto sindical (union tax). Everyone who works, must pay one day per year of their earnings to an union. As a result, we have now over 16 thousand unions . I told you my country was bizarre. People who work have to pay Bolsa Familia (25% of the country, who doesnt work) and to more people who dont work, the Unions.

That is also true in many European countries. People who work support people who don't, at different degrees depending on the country and government,  and Unions are subsidized in many. That in itself is not bad, depending on how it is effectively articulated.

I was aware that Brazil had one of the most regulated and ring-fenced labor markets, as some of my friends went there to work for their companies and had to do shitloads of legal paperwork and they also commented that there was almost zero functional flexibility - e.g. A guy was at a work site to simply take notes and he could do nothing but take notes ("apuntador"). No, he could not send an email, no he could not look for someone, no he could not help in something else, etc.

Thanks for excellent report.
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June 07, 2018, 02:41:21 PM
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That is also true in many European countries. People who work support people who don't, at different degrees depending on the country and government,  and Unions are subsidized in many. That in itself is not bad, depending on how it is effectively articulated.

I was aware that Brazil had one of the most regulated and ring-fenced labor markets, as some of my friends went there to work for their companies and had to do shitloads of legal paperwork and they also commented that there was almost zero functional flexibility - e.g. A guy was at a work site to simply take notes and he could do nothing but take notes ("apuntador"). No, he could not send an email, no he could not look for someone, no he could not help in something else, etc.

Thanks for excellent report.

Thanks for your feedback and your time reading my report.

I think that labor regulations are one of the biggest problems in Brazil. People say it's the "most advanced" in the world. Labors have so many rights, like the ones you mentioned. Those rights are bad for us (I am an employee too), cause we could have higher salaries if we hadn't all those rights.

We even have a especialized justice here, called Justiça do trabalho , that could be translated to "labor justice " or something like that . Judges there are highly especialized in employees cases, and they cannot judge anything else. And they are very employee-oriented.

I expect to see some more posts like this here, about the situation in other countries in the world.
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June 07, 2018, 05:24:11 PM
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What is also important to make clear, is that the government has always acted in determining the price of fuel in Brazil.

Until recently, Petrobras had the exclusive monopoly over any Petroleum related product. Gradually this was modified, especially with the discovery of the Pre-Salt. Pre-Salt is a Brazilian offshore region with an estimated 176 billion barrels of oil and gas.

Brazil still needs to import oil since the large amount produced is the heavy type, that is not so good for gasoline. Besides, we could not refine everything. The previous government almost led Petrobras to bankruptcy. Forcing her to hold fuel readjustments to keep the inflation low before the elections. The government paid no attention to the international price and the price paid for refined petroleum. With this, Petrobras took a lot of damage and their stocks hit the floor. The government is owner of 68% and investors are the owner of the rest. Including American investors. Petrobras was sued in the US for this reason and for the scandals of corruption. [1]

The present Government did exactly the opposite. He began to readjust the price daily. And with that, Petrobras was able to make a big profit. The reason is that the price of Brent Barrel rose a lot and the dollar too.

But the truckers did not like it. Added to the fact of an over-supply of freight services. The activity of the truck drivers became very unprofitable. They were closing a contract thinking about a fuel at a certain price and halfway through the trip the price was already way higher.

The government's solution was what is already standard in the proposals of the Brazilian politicians. Favor one sector and require the rest of the population to pay the bill. Government will pay, with national treasury funds, a share of the value of diesel. This solution seeks not to harm Petrobras, so that it continues with profit. And help the truckers pay a low price for the diesel.

[1] https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/energy/2018/01/03/corruption-scandal-petrobras-agrees-pay-settle-case/999233001/
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July 06, 2018, 08:44:20 AM
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Re-posted from the Beginners forum. Please don't merit this post, but merit the post by the author of the post.

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The first thing that someone from a Western Europe or from USA must understand is that here in Brazil we live a socialist economy

Brazil is not socialist and has never been.

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The Estate controls everything

No it doesn't. The only thing the state takes care of is the privilege of the elites.
For example, we still have slavery and the new government has just closed all investigations about this.

If we follow this criteria we will discover that the Roman Empire was also socialist. Pretty funny, huh?

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Juscelino thought that the best for Brazil was to build roads connecting the whole country, ignoring all other means of transportation. He got very high loans, which we are probably still paying for them.

just forgot to mention that the main reason was the automotive industry lobby - volkswagen, chevrolet and ford.

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In the 2002 the centrists (social democrats) lost the election and Lula (former union leader, socialist-oriented and Chaves' friend) became the president. He was president until 2010 and elected his successor from the same party twice, at 2010 and 2014.

Lula is a social democrat, the other candidate a neoliberal, his party was in the power and the country was in a major recession.
One of the reasons for the loss was also his willingness to sell Petrobras to Chevron. They keep trying, but they can't win elections.

Good read: https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/09RIODEJANEIRO369_a.html

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They ran a very popular program called "bolsa familia" which pays about 70 USD monthly to 25% of Brazil's population. To receive the money, you cannot work. If you work, you lose the free money from bolsa familia. This program was responsible for this party high popularity over those dark years.

yes you can work. If people work and still have a low income, they remain eligible if they have children in school. The program took millions of people out of misery. The sources of misinformation regarding this topic are fake news from social media.

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But in 2016 the country economy was mostly destroyed and corruption scandals involving the former President lead to an impeachment. Later on Lula was arrested for corruption. (Lula was basically giving billions and billions of dollars from Brazil to Cuba and Venezuela for free, through a company called Odebrecht). The vice president, Temer, who is from another party is now leading the country. He is not a socialist, but still involved in the same corruption schemes as Lula. But as he is not a socialist,  the economy was recovering.

The economy was destroyed by debt and speculation. Politicians are puppets of banksters. We don't really give stuff for free, more fake news from social media. Lula was arrested without proofs, Dilma was also impeached without proofs.

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Most of the media said this strike was not made by unions (everyone hates them in Brazil).
Media works intensively to make people hate workers, but trucker strikes are different from others, nothing to do with unions, they are related to oil lobbists.

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This is very important, as we never had a truly conservative and right wing president after the authoritarian regime ended, in the 80s.

All we had were conservative until 2002. Usually the dictatorship supporters call anyone else "leftist" - what is obviously untrue.

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July 06, 2018, 10:40:31 AM
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-Venezuela Dictatorship supporter speech-

We live this daily here in Brazil.

About 30% of the population supports Lula and Dilma, in the same way there are people who support Chavez and Maduro in Venezuela.

Lula is not a socialist................
Please look at this video, as Lula says "Maduro is a brilliant guy", who is building with him a "more democrat and solitary Latin America" .... There is a spanish subtitle, please translate at google translator if you are interested in learning the truth about Lula...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIzRAvXP1dE#action=share


Arrested without proof??
https://venezuelanalysis.com/news/13760
President Maduro and over fifty Venezuelan grassroots movements have voiced their solidarity with popular leftist former President Lula da Silva.
“What is going on in Brazil is a coup d’état,” Maduro declared during a ceremony broadcast on state television Saturday.

Brazil is not a socialist economy?.....
https://www.heritage.org/index/ranking

Brazil is 153 out of  180 in the Economic Freedom Index. Wake up.
Mongolia, Pakistan, even China (with their communist party ruling the country) are before us in this rank. China is 110.


Some people vote for Lula to receive Bolsa Familia, others vote because they are corrupted, others vote because they will receive money or a job in the government, others vote because they are just dumb.

There is no reason to support a criminal who is already in Jail, and was Judged by all available courts in the country, even the Supreme Court.
This criminal wants now to become a President again, and there are people supporting him. To "fight USA imperialism"  

I would be laughing if they didn't want to make us become Venezuela.

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July 20, 2018, 08:38:28 AM
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In Brazil we have a weird tax called imposto sindical (union tax). Everyone who works, must pay one day per year of their earnings to an union. As a result, we have now over 16 thousand unions . I told you my country was bizarre. People who work have to pay Bolsa Familia (25% of the country, who doesnt work) and to more people who dont work, the Unions.

That is also true in many European countries. People who work support people who don't, at different degrees depending on the country and government,  and Unions are subsidized in many. That in itself is not bad, depending on how it is effectively articulated.

That's correct. And in some countries like Germany this tax is so huge that allows to people who do not work to live good enough and to even not search for a job. The same story with immigrants who's financial support is on such high level that allows them to have everything they need being paid from Germans pockets. That's why the most of immigrants run to Europe to countries with such nice "for them" support. But as I see this situation is OK for Germans and they just silently pay all of those taxes.
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July 20, 2018, 12:25:55 PM
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Sounds to me like people vote for a government that will protect them from big companies.
The problem is that politicians are always corrupt and more power they have, more power they abuse and sell to the same big companies that people want to be protected from.

Unfortunately governments rarely fix anything. Democracy works best when people themselves are truly powerful.
Education and technological development of country is a boring and slow way of improving the situation, but it is the only reasonable one that you can expect to work. All the other political changes will just end up in politicians being corrupt like always.
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July 21, 2018, 12:21:53 AM
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Education and technological development of country is a boring and slow way of improving the situation, but it is the only reasonable one that you can expect to work. All the other political changes will just end up in politicians being corrupt like always.

Yeah, that is correct.

Also, education is not only boring, but invisible.

Every 4 years we have elections. If someone tries to make a good education plan, few people will notice it.

But if he makes tons of bridges and big soccer stadiums, everyone can see, take photos, etc... he will be elected again easily.
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