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September 17, 2011, 02:57:56 AM
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logansryche locked his thread, but I think that there's still more to be said.

Sorry for coming late to the party, but I had to go and delete some posts I made 12 years ago just in case members start digging into my past. The only thing I couldn't delete was an image of me dancing with a chicken in Pattaya. Full disclosure: The chicken was over 18 year olds--I think.

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Sorry guy, I don't live with my parents and I don't pay the bills around here.
The state of New York does. Nice try though.

I'm trying to see the positive critisizm in all of this but there just isn't any.

You got to be kidding, Matthew! Nothing at all?

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i dont expect everyone to agree or like what im doing but youre going way overboard with "pointing out the facts" and it quite frankly is pissing me off.

I don't expect everyone to agree or like what I'm doing, but you're going way overboard with "pointing out the facts." Quite frankly, it's pissing me off! (I think it reads better now.)

So, to be fair to Matthew, don't point out any facts.

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So, to be fair to Matthew, don't point out any facts.


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Lol, I'm not like that and I don't think there's anything more to discuss.
There really are people here that want to see BitCard thrive as a bitcoin business and that's what brings me back into it.
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September 17, 2011, 03:14:41 AM
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So, to be fair to Matthew, don't point out any facts.


The earth is flat.  True story.

I read the book:

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September 17, 2011, 03:17:57 AM
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Lol, I'm not like that and I don't think there's anything more to discuss.
There really are people here that want to see BitCard thrive as a bitcoin business and that's what brings me back into it.

Want to see it thrive, or want to be customers? Cause one matters and one doesn't...

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Lol, I'm not like that and I don't think there's anything more to discuss.
There really are people here that want to see BitCard thrive as a bitcoin business and that's what brings me back into it.

Were you a Yo-Yo in a past life? Are you in or out of Bitcoin? I have a lot of time invested in this thread, your thread, and you. And time is money.
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And how is that? Seriously.. only person that's invested anything is me.
I invested the money to register the domain, to register with godaddy and to eventualy move it over to bitcoin web host. I invested in the money it took to buy product for the site.
So tell me.. where's your investment? And yes, you can have both. One can't live without the other. Cause and effect. You get alot of customers and your business thrives, yes?
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September 17, 2011, 03:27:13 AM
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I love it when people make overtly public parting shots, come running back a day later, and continue the same idiocy that caused everyone to laugh at them before.   It's like dramawhoring 101.

Don't ever leave logansryche.  You are propping up the Bitcoin comedy market through sheer force of will alone.

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Lol, I'm not like that and I don't think there's anything more to discuss.
There really are people here that want to see BitCard thrive as a bitcoin business and that's what brings me back into it.

Were you a Yo-Yo in a past life? Are you in or out of Bitcoin? I have a lot of time invested in this thread, your thread, and you. And time is money.

Maybe he's both. In. Out. In. Out.  Gotta keep a rhythm or you'll blow your load.
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I love it when people make overtly public parting shots, come running back a day later, and continue the same idiocy that caused everyone to laugh at them before.   It's like dramawhoring 101.

Don't ever leave logansryche.  You are propping up the Bitcoin comedy market through sheer force of will alone.

At least I'm making someone laugh. No, I'm here for good dispite my rants and rages.
It's a mood swing I go through alot. When I get depresed I delete everything(email,IM,sites,everything) and when I'm not so depressed I add it all back. It's a never-ending cycle that's been there since I was 12. Fun huh.
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I'm still learning about business so it's nice to have someone with experience and certified educational accomplishments to discuss this stuff with.   You should just ignore the trolls and internet stalkers, feeding them only makes them think they are clever. I was wondering, since you got the gift cards wholesale why did you mark them up above face value?  I always assumed the companies that sold these cards were getting them for a lower cost than face because otherwise I'm not sure how they would profit from it.

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Lol, I'm not like that and I don't think there's anything more to discuss.
There really are people here that want to see BitCard thrive as a bitcoin business and that's what brings me back into it.

Were you a Yo-Yo in a past life? Are you in or out of Bitcoin? I have a lot of time invested in this thread, your thread, and you. And time is money.

Maybe he's both. In. Out. In. Out.  Gotta keep a rhythm or you'll blow your load.

*snort* for those who don't know, foxes in the furry fandom are stereotypically considered extreme sluts. I've been laughing my ass off through most of this.

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*snort* for those who don't know, foxes in the furry random are stereotypically considered extreme sluts. I've been laughing my ass off through most of this.

Yessss.  Please.  The only thing that could make shit funnier is furry species-based elitism.

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*snort* for those who don't know, foxes in the furry random are stereotypically considered extreme sluts. I've been laughing my ass off through most of this.

Yessss.  Please.  The only thing that could make shit funnier is furry species-based elitism.

Not being elitist, and not claiming he's a slut, just think all the unintentional innuendos are hilarious, and wanted to share why.

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I'll be honest, most of us aren't really interested in the details of your perverted lifestyle.  

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I'm still learning about business so it's nice to have someone with experience and certified educational accomplishments to discuss this stuff with.   You should just ignore the trolls and internet stalkers, feeding them only makes them think they are clever. I was wondering, since you got the gift cards wholesale why did you mark them up above face value?  I always assumed the companies that sold these cards were getting them for a lower cost than face because otherwise I'm not sure how they would profit from it.

Still had to make some sort of overhead on em. The cards don't actually cost me anything, however a $20 gift card will cost you $22 because I don't see $20 of it. It goes to the card. Yes I just admitted that I don't actually keep a stock of cards here. If I did they'd be all depreciated as most companies start charging a small fee for not using them once a month.

*snort* for those who don't know, foxes in the furry fandom are stereotypically considered extreme sluts. I've been laughing my ass off through most of this.
I'm glad you're having fun with all of this, and yes we are lol. We're known for many things, that being one of them.

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I'm trying to see the positive critisizm in all of this but there just isn't any.
I honestly can't believe how much positive criticism you received.

As for the community making you fail, what actually failed? From what I saw your website was nothing more than an untitled Zen Cart. You had nothing to begin with. Reminds me of this:
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Going to start this again? Seriously?
After saying you had an idea for me? Not nice.
Oh, and you never replied to my question.
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And how is that? Seriously.. only person that's invested anything is me.
I invested the money to register the domain, to register with godaddy and to eventualy move it over to bitcoin web host. I invested in the money it took to buy product for the site.
So tell me.. where's your investment? And yes, you can have both. One can't live without the other. Cause and effect. You get alot of customers and your business thrives, yes?


Are you troll-king of bitcoin or just retarded?
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Some people listen with their mouth instead of their ears.
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Still had to make some sort of overhead on em. The cards don't actually cost me anything, however a $20 gift card will cost you $22 because I don't see $20 of it. It goes to the card. Yes I just admitted that I don't actually keep a stock of cards here. If I did they'd be all depreciated as most companies start charging a small fee for not using them once a month.

I still don't get it.  In the other thread you said,

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In fact, I know of a place off the top of my head that sells sport cards wholesale in huge lots for cheap.
Could I go that route? sure. Have I? Yeah, I have. Where do you think I got all the gift cards from.
Some of them were released to me to feel the market. Mainly the Hotel cards.

Are you saying that your wholesale prices for the cards are the same as the retail price?  (face?)

My local 7/11 has a wall of gift cards they sell at face value, are they taking a loss on that because they don't mark them up?  Is that like a loss leader or something to get people in to buy hot dogs or coffee?

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Going to start this again? Seriously?
After saying you had an idea for me? Not nice.
Oh, and you never replied to my question.

For someone who is down and out, you have sure spent a lot of hours jacking yourself off in this thread and the other. Perhaps that time would be better applied by filling out job applications, or perhaps acquiring more certificates. Bitches love certificates.
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Are you troll-king of bitcoin or just retarded?

I was wondering the same thing...

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For someone who is down and out, you have sure spent a lot of hours jacking yourself off in this thread and the other. Perhaps that time would be better applied by filling out job applications, or perhaps acquiring more certificates. Bitches love certificates.

I have me a job if you haven't been paying attention. It's part time so the hours blow more then the current rate of bitcoins. Today I'm actually in a happy hyper mood, thanks for asking.

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Your own collections that you bought at retail prices from a comic shop, or that you got at wholesale?

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For someone who is down and out, you have sure spent a lot of hours jacking yourself off in this thread and the other. Perhaps that time would be better applied by filling out job applications, or perhaps acquiring more certificates. Bitches love certificates.

I have me a job if you haven't been paying attention. It's part time so the hours blow more then the current rate of bitcoins. Today I'm actually in a happy hyper mood, thanks for asking.


Yes, you are underemployed, hence, you should still be looking for a job. You sound like quite the lazy piece of shit. Are you morbidly obese, too?
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Your own collections that you bought at retail prices from a comic shop, or that you got at wholesale?
The baseball collections came from collecting them since I was 12. The pokemon cards came from my mate and the yu-gi-oh cards came from my mate's brother. I tried to price them as accurate as I could with what little market info I had(thanks Ebay).
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Your own collections that you bought at retail prices from a comic shop, or that you got at wholesale?
The baseball collections came from collecting them since I was 12. The pokemon cards came from my mate and the yu-gi-oh cards came from my mate's brother. I tried to price them as accurate as I could with what little market info I had(thanks Ebay).

So your investment was fucking zero!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Goddamn, you are a douche.
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The baseball collections came from collecting them since I was 12. The pokemon cards came from my mate and the yu-gi-oh cards came from my mate's brother. I tried to price them as accurate as I could with what little market info I had(thanks Ebay).
You should call your next site BitcoinGarageSale.com.

Or you could just sell your old shit on Ebay like a normal person.

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Yes, you are underemployed, hence, you should still be looking for a job. You sound like quite the lazy piece of shit. Are you morbidly obese, too?

Well you have the pictures.. go judge for yourself.
I guess it all comes from not adjusting to a min wage part-time job when I'm use to a 80+ hour week $10.50/hr job.
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So your investment was fucking zero!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Goddamn, you are a douche.

Actually my investment was all those cards since there's at least 1200 of em. Yeah, add em all up at 99 cents a pack, then tack on what I dumped into the site. It's you that's the douche.
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There really are people here that want to see BitCard thrive

There are also people here who think that the FBI and/or Freemasons have been working in conjunction with an Internet comedy forum to discredit Bitcoin.

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Or you could just sell your old shit on Ebay like a normal person.

Aww... but that's no fun, that's what bitcard and bidding pond are for.
You really like to pick my life apart don'tcha. Keep pickin, I'm here all night.
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Yes, you are underemployed, hence, you should still be looking for a job. You sound like quite the lazy piece of shit. Are you morbidly obese, too?

Well you have the pictures.. go judge for yourself.
I guess it all comes from not adjusting to a min wage part-time job when I'm use to a 80+ hour week $10.50/hr job.

I don't know what pictures you are talking about, but that's beside the point. I have been trolling up till now, but seriously...get your shit together. You can't blame the world for not pulling yourself up by your bootstraps. Everyone has ups and downs. This is fucking America. Try, try again. You will not see me give a motivational speech often, but goddamn, fella. Get outta that funk.
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So your investment was fucking zero!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Goddamn, you are a douche.

Actually my investment was all those cards since there's at least 1200 of em. Yeah, add em all up at 99 cents a pack, then tack on what I dumped into the site. It's you that's the douche.

So, your hobby didn't turn a profit and I am a douche because of it? Huh...
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Aww... but that's no fun, that's what bitcard and bidding pond are for.
You really like to pick my life apart don'tcha. Keep pickin, I'm here all night.

I'm just saying that when you're selling things, you want as many eyes on the merchandise as possible.  The larger the market, the more likely you'll be able to charge a decent price.  By creating a whole new site to sell random shit you have on hand, you're creating unnecessary overhead and severely reducing your client base at the same time, since building one sufficient enough takes time and, probably, significant advertising.

But I'm sure you already knew that since they teach it in day 2 of the walmart management certificate program.

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Your own collections that you bought at retail prices from a comic shop, or that you got at wholesale?
The baseball collections came from collecting them since I was 12. The pokemon cards came from my mate and the yu-gi-oh cards came from my mate's brother. I tried to price them as accurate as I could with what little market info I had(thanks Ebay).

Okay.  So forget the gift cards, you can't compete on price if you are marking them up when other retail locations don't.  The trading cards should probably go on e-bay or direct to a sports memorabilia or card shop.  Research for the stuff you have that is valuable enough that you know it will sell and forget the rest.  You can't compete with dedicated retailers who buy at wholesale and less common cards have a million different people undercutting each other in the used market.

What kind of games are you selling?  It sounded like Warhammer type stuff?  You are again competing with established retailers.  Even a local comics shop that doesn't have a particular item will gladly be willing to special order it from a wholesaler, they do it all the time. 

You don't really have a business here, you have a garage sale at best.  I think your management courses may have focused a bit too much on managing employees and customers, the human relations type stuff, and not so much on the economics of running a business.  That's still a very valuable skill, you just need to know where to focus it correctly.  I probably have the exact opposite problem, I'm homeschooled and my dad is an Agronomist so he was great at teaching me about economics but I haven't had much experience socially to work with customers.  I think you should just keep your collection of cards and start looking for some management jobs at a small business so you can learn from someone with more experience at working with wholesalers and distributors.  Collectables like that have value beyond money, I would never sell off my collection of ponies.   Cheesy

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So, your hobby didn't turn a profit and I am a douche because of it? Huh...
No you're a douche for thinking I didn't invest in anything. I'm sorry you don't like trading cards, that's not my fault. They cought my attention so I bought em. Plain and simple.

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There was a reason I locked my thread after a point. I made it up with some folks' help to stay in the game but I can't do it if assholes like FAtlas and you and half the other folks on this thread keep knockin. I see what the point was of this thread. You guys weren't done bashing me in my thread, so the op decided to post a "poll" and state that there was unfinished business that needed to be taken care of. Where? I don't see any unfinished business. All I see are a bunch of guys that don't have anything else better to do a 1am but continue to bash me over the site, how I run the site, and the gall to pick my life apart like it's the public livrary. I already apologised once. Hell, I apologised twice. You won't get a third one out of me before I start saying fuck off to people.
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After saying you had an idea for me? Not nice.
Oh, and you never replied to my question.
I just wanted you to unlock your topic so I could respond to you. I took the time to register and get whitelisted for that sole purpose.
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You don't really have a business here, you have a garage sale at best. 

Hey, there's an idea. Have a garage sale right in front of your house and sell all of this stuff there. But only take Bitcoins. The crazy old bargain-hunters who show up for every yard sale at 5AM will be thrilled to learn how they can use the Internet currency of the future to buy baseball cards from your yard. I feel like this idea is right up your alley.

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You made a thread called "I'm Done!" with a rant about how much you hated the game and wanted out in order to stay in the game?

I'm not sure I follow.

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Okay.  So forget the gift cards, you can't compete on price if you are marking them up when other retail locations don't.  The trading cards should probably go on e-bay or direct to a sports memorabilia or card shop.  Research for the stuff you have that is valuable enough that you know it will sell and forget the rest.  You can't compete with dedicated retailers who buy at wholesale and less common cards have a million different people undercutting each other in the used market.

What kind of games are you selling?  It sounded like Warhammer type stuff?  You are again competing with established retailers.  Even a local comics shop that doesn't have a particular item will gladly be willing to special order it from a wholesaler, they do it all the time. 

You don't really have a business here, you have a garage sale at best.  I think your management courses may have focused a bit too much on managing employees and customers, the human relations type stuff, and not so much on the economics of running a business.  That's still a very valuable skill, you just need to know where to focus it correctly.  I probably have the exact opposite problem, I'm homeschooled and my dad is an Agronomist so he was great at teaching me about economics but I haven't had much experience socially to work with customers.  I think you should just keep your collection of cards and start looking for some management jobs at a small business so you can learn from someone with more experience at working with wholesalers and distributors.  Collectables like that have value beyond money, I would never sell off my collection of ponies.   Cheesy

You kidding me? lol, I hate the public. The public is the only group of people that will stand there and congratulate you one moment and curse you the next. It's how I got up as far as I did with Wal-Mart both times. Agreed that the trading cards are valuable to their collectors. That's why their called collectibles. What should I focus on then? Only thing I really have is that virtual marketplace idea that'll probly be picked to pices in the next few posts. I'm out of ideas on what to use bitcoins for then.


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You sound like quite the lazy piece of shit.

You should read his first post on the last thread about him spending the effort to move it over to a .com on GoDaddy. Near the end he says that it took him the better part of an hour.

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Can we get this dribble moved into Offtopic or Meta?  Or the recycle bin?

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You should read his first post on the last thread about him spending the effort to move it over to a .com on GoDaddy. Near the end he says that it took him the better part of an hour.

Your point?


Can we get this dribble moved into Offtopic or Meta?  Or the recycle bin?
I vote offtopic, then again I didn't start this one. OP did. I locked my thread for a reason.
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So, your hobby didn't turn a profit and I am a douche because of it? Huh...
No you're a douche for thinking I didn't invest in anything. I'm sorry you don't like trading cards, that's not my fault. They cought my attention so I bought em. Plain and simple.

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There was a reason I locked my thread after a point. I made it up with some folks' help to stay in the game but I can't do it if assholes like FAtlas and you and half the other folks on this thread keep knockin. I see what the point was of this thread. You guys weren't done bashing me in my thread, so the op decided to post a "poll" and state that there was unfinished business that needed to be taken care of. Where? I don't see any unfinished business. All I see are a bunch of guys that don't have anything else better to do a 1am but continue to bash me over the site, how I run the site, and the gall to pick my life apart like it's the public livrary. I already apologised once. Hell, I apologised twice. You won't get a third one out of me before I start saying fuck off to people.

It is 9pm, I am slamming beers in preparation for the bar...you know...the one where you go interact with THE PUBLIC (say that in spooky old timey voice).

Once again, you have the reins here. You don't like what's going on, fucking change it. A bunch of trolls on a bitcoin forum ain't gonna help you, brother.
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You should read his first post on the last thread about him spending the effort to move it over to a .com on GoDaddy. Near the end he says that it took him the better part of an hour.

Your point?

I said it in the last thread, you said that I was adding insult to injury. Remember?

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My boss probably makes a couple hundred grand a year. I honestly don't think he ever goes home. The only time I've ever seen him leave his office is to go to lunch. He calls that his "free time". (this is in the south btw, not CA or NY where a couple hundred grand is minimum wage  )
Enjoy adding insult to injury dontcha. I am below middle class. Any job that's part time and pulls only 20 hours a pay period is below middle class. Anyone that's been homeless or unemployed or a long list of other things are below middle class. If you were the one that commented on my blog, I'm still digging deeper. It's what I'm known to do. Well it's late and I'm tired so I'm going to bed. Tis true though.. I had an idea and fucked up majorly with it. Oh well. Back to wishful mining.

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You kidding me? lol, I hate the public. The public is the only group of people that will stand there and congratulate you one moment and curse you the next. It's how I got up as far as I did with Wal-Mart both times. Agreed that the trading cards are valuable to their collectors. That's why their called collectibles. What should I focus on then? Only thing I really have is that virtual marketplace idea that'll probly be picked to pices in the next few posts. I'm out of ideas on what to use bitcoins for then.

Oh, I agree totally about the public, don't get me wrong.  Lots of people hate their jobs though, you have proven skill in that area even if you don't like it.  I think for your choice of focus in sales you should take a look at the other successful high volume bitcoin marketplaces and see what they are selling for some ideas.  The idea is to find something that will be profitable, not necessarily something you have an interest in like trading cards.

  

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You kidding me? lol, I hate the public. The public is the only group of people that will stand there and congratulate you one moment and curse you the next. It's how I got up as far as I did with Wal-Mart both times. Agreed that the trading cards are valuable to their collectors. That's why their called collectibles. What should I focus on then? Only thing I really have is that virtual marketplace idea that'll probly be picked to pices in the next few posts. I'm out of ideas on what to use bitcoins for then.

Oh, I agree totally about the public, don't get me wrong.  Lots of people hate their jobs though, you have proven skill in that area even if you don't like it.  I think for your choice of focus in sales you should take a look at the other successful high volume bitcoin marketplaces and see what they are selling for some ideas.  The idea is to find something that will be profitable, not necessarily something you have an interest in like trading cards.

  

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This is called "liquidating your assets" - it's what businesses do when they are going out of business. It's not the basis for a business. You should sell off your cards for any price on eBay and take the money to put into something that has some hope of actually making money. I mean making new money, not recovering dead money. The sooner you do that and start working on a new business model that can actually make money for you, the sooner you'll move on with your life.

From experience:
I left Canada almost 10 years ago and ended up in Thailand with less than $200. I knew that I could buy items cheap here and sell online. I've lived off that since. I built it up into a mini-fortune and then blew a lot of it on photography gear so I could follow my artistic whims. Before I left home I sold all my stuff on eBay and traveled for 9 months until I was washed up and almost broke on a beach in Cambodia... but I knew that Bangkok had great markets full of cheap stuff.

I walked around the markets and took photos of items. I didn't buy them before selling them online. When you have little money you have to be smart about how you start the business. My first week on eBay I sold $700 of market stuff. Sadly eBay is not what it used to be. That was a long time ago but I have a (paper) notebook of all my first sales noted down with addresses. I didn't even own a computer then and had to make listings and handle emails from a web cafe on Kao San Rd.

Be smart, don't make excuses for yourself, and for f*** sake get off this forum - you're wasting your time here. (note to self... I should do likewise!)

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Only thing I really have is that virtual marketplace idea
Since you are unable to do basic math and code, let alone afford coders, inventory, and advertizing, what you should focus on is something completely different.

You kidding me? lol, I hate the public.
One more reason this type of work isn't for you.

What should I focus on then?
Perhaps you could focus on your education as well as doing everything you can to keep the part time job you were lucky enough to get.
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You clearly have no entrepreneurial or math skills, so let me spell this out for you:

-If you want to sell gift certificates, you need to buy them for less than they cost (i.e. work out a deal to buy a $10 card for $8) and then sell them at cost ($10) or better yet, slightly less than they're worth.

-To do this, you'll need to buy them in bulk, which is going to mean an investment ($$$) on your part.  You can't run a business without an initial outlay.

-There is absolutely no new market in gift certificates or Pokemon cards.  If you want to make money here, you need something novel, like accepting Bitcoins.  Your website failed to do this.

-If all this was not immediately obvious to you in July, either the management courses you took weren't worth the time you wasted, or you need to give up on your unrealistic dreams and start working a real job, however low-paying it may seem.  I would also suggest seriously considering therapy.  Jumping from one outsized scheme to another without taking any criticism along the way is a good way to end up broke and unhappy, and the sooner you realize this, the better.
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LOL...this reminds me of the time where this guy broke into this house where the family was on vacation and he put everything out on the front yard and had a yard sale the next day.   ... I'm not sure if he used bitcoins or not.

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LOL...this reminds me of the time where this guy broke into this house where the family was on vacation and he put everything out on the front yard and had a yard sale the next day.   ... I'm not sure if he used bitcoins or not.

it reminds me of the marketing campaign for 'cartman land'... I'm having this awesome garage sale with all these cool items for sale, but YOU can't buy any of it.
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I'll be honest, most of us aren't really interested in the details of your perverted lifestyle.  

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And you shall not lie with any animal and so make yourself unclean with it, neither shall any woman give herself to an animal to lie with it: it is perversion.

ROFLOL!!! Oh my god, is that what you think? Sorry, but being a fan of furry art has as much to do with screwing animals as being a fan of Star Wars has to do with screwing wookies, being a fan of Twiligh has to do with screwing vampires, or being a fan of My Little Pony has to do with doing forbidden things in a stable. Also, sorry to tell you this, but being a huge fan of anthropomorphic ponies, and the art style used in that show, does technically make you a furry  Grin You and your god are a little uptight.

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...my dad is an Agronomist so he was great at teaching me about economics...

Sorry, this part really caught me by surprise. I swear I am not trying to put you down, and it's all just curiocity, but how does being an agronomist make you great at teaching economics? Did he go over the supply/demand curves on quantity/price graphs and things like that?

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or being a fan of My Little Pony has to do with doing forbidden things in a stable.

To be fair, I'm pretty sure at least 90% of adult My Little Pony fans want exactly that.

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Funny thing just happened--I took a nap and had a dream that Theymos moved my post. I had an inside feeling he may, so no hard feelings. Now I have some reading to do. I crashed 3-4 hours ago and this thread only had about 3-4 posts. Now that it's about 3-4 in the morning, and I have 3/4 of a cup of coffee, I'm going to start reading to see if the 3-4 slammers (for lack of a better word) has turned into 34 which is, by the way, the HWY I live off of here in Sandwich, Illinois, walking distance from the Star 34 Family Restaurant which I do not own nor does the owner accept Bitcoin.
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the Star 34 Family Restaurant which I do not own nor does the owner accept Bitcoin.

is it open 24/7? go down there right now in your pj's and ask them to accept bitcoin.
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There really are people here that want to see BitCard thrive

There are also people here who think that the FBI and/or Freemasons have been working in conjunction with an Internet comedy forum to discredit Bitcoin.

Had to stop at post 33. Couldn't even make it to post 34 without commenting. So sad!

This post made me ROTFLMMFAO! I may have died laughing if you would have mentioned a crop circle of the Bitcoin symbol in your post, rainingbitcoins.

Post 34, here I come.
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LOL...this reminds me of the time where this guy broke into this house where the family was on vacation and he put everything out on the front yard and had a yard sale the next day.   ... I'm not sure if he used bitcoins or not.

I didn't...I mean, he didn't.
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the Star 34 Family Restaurant which I do not own nor does the owner accept Bitcoin.

is it open 24/7? go down there right now in your pj's and ask them to accept bitcoin.


It's not open 24/7, but you gave me an excellent idea--Bitcoin Pajamas. What do you think, Matthew?
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ROFLOL!!! Oh my god, is that what you think? Sorry, but being a fan of furry art has as much to do with screwing animals as being a fan of Star Wars has to do with screwing wookies, being a fan of Twiligh has to do with screwing vampires, or being a fan of My Little Pony has to do with doing forbidden things in a stable. Also, sorry to tell you this, but being a huge fan of anthropomorphic ponies, and the art style used in that show, does technically make you a furry  Grin You and your god are a little uptight.

There are always disturbed people who take their fandom too far, but you are the one rating animals by degree of sexual permissiveness and informing the general public about it, not I. 

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Sorry, this part really caught me by surprise. I swear I am not trying to put you down, and it's all just curiocity, but how does being an agronomist make you great at teaching economics? Did he go over the supply/demand curves on quantity/price graphs and things like that?

The work he does focuses on making the absolute most efficient use of available land.  This applies lessons learned in biology, chemistry, economics, earth sciences, and genetics.  Although you can't genetically modify a factory worker to make her more efficient, a lot of the same lessons apply.  He didn't strictly teach from that perspective though, he taught me about a wide range of economic theory, including communist and socialist theory to see if I could discover the flaws.  But mostly he taught me to understand Ludwig von Mises and the praxeology of the Australian school of economics and how it can be used to predict the behaviors of the market.

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But mostly he taught me to understand Ludwig von Mises and the praxeology of the Australian school of economics and how it can be used to predict the behaviors of the market.


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But mostly he taught me to understand Ludwig von Mises and the praxeology of the Australian school of economics and how it can be used to predict the behaviors of the market.


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ROFLOL!!! Oh my god, is that what you think? Sorry, but being a fan of furry art has as much to do with screwing animals as being a fan of Star Wars has to do with screwing wookies, being a fan of Twiligh has to do with screwing vampires, or being a fan of My Little Pony has to do with doing forbidden things in a stable. Also, sorry to tell you this, but being a huge fan of anthropomorphic ponies, and the art style used in that show, does technically make you a furry  Grin You and your god are a little uptight.

There are always disturbed people who take their fandom too far, but you are the one rating animals by degree of sexual permissiveness and informing the general public about it, not I. 

Sorry if I wasn't being specific enough. I didn't mean actual foxes, I meant people who associate their "fury persona" as foxes, or role play anthropomorphic foxes online (see his avatar pic) who are stereotypically considered sluts. Probably in the same way that Treckies who associate themselves with or role play Klingons may be thought as as typically being hardheaded badasses (though I know absolutely nothing about Star trek random, so am just guessing). Being a fan of MLP does make you a furry, and learning about that fandom is going to be a trip down a rabit hole you may not want to go down into (especially since a lot of people in that group started out as Christians, and ended up turning against and hating religions in general). Run while you can!

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Sorry, but being a fan of furry art has as much to do with screwing animals as being a fan of Star Wars has to do with screwing wookies, being a fan of Twiligh has to do with screwing vampires, or being a fan of My Little Pony has to do with doing forbidden things in a stable.
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Bad analogy. Being a fan of Twilight has everything to do with screwing vampires..... or werewolves.

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thank you guys, you have provided excellent entertainment for "the best part of an hour"

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Sorry, but being a fan of furry art has as much to do with screwing animals as being a fan of Star Wars has to do with screwing wookies, being a fan of Twiligh has to do with screwing vampires, or being a fan of My Little Pony has to do with doing forbidden things in a stable.
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Bad analogy. Being a fan of Twilight has everything to do with screwing vampires..... or werewolves.

Yeah, I thought that may be, but really, you can't screw vampires/werewolfes, because they don't exist. Just as sexy anime girls, or anthropomorphic animals, don't exist. I wouldn't be surprised if people at Twilight conventions dressed up like vampires and screwed, too (would that be just covering yourself in glitter paint?)  Cheesy

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I wouldn't be surprised if people at Twilight conventions dressed up like vampires and screwed, too (would that be just covering yourself in glitter paint?)  Cheesy

The glitter sticks to the shame.

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Sorry if I wasn't being specific enough. I didn't mean actual foxes, I meant people who associate their "fury persona" as foxes, or role play anthropomorphic foxes online (see his avatar pic) who are stereotypically considered sluts. Probably in the same way that Treckies who associate themselves with or role play Klingons may be thought as as typically being hardheaded badasses (though I know absolutely nothing about Star trek random, so am just guessing). Being a fan of MLP does make you a furry, and learning about that fandom is going to be a trip down a rabit hole you may not want to go down into (especially since a lot of people in that group started out as Christians, and ended up turning against and hating religions in general). Run while you can!

First off, I reject your definition of everyone on the planet who liked Mickey Mouse as a furry.  It renders the term meaningless.  Secondly, I did not say anything about furries being perverted.  I said your lifestyle is perverted.  You are sexually attracted to the physical characteristics of animals and have not been shy about making that clear.

I will pray for you.

Pray that God touches my country America and that we turn from the sin of anthropomorphic pseudo-bestiality. I ask for us that we will love all anthropomorphic pseudo-bestiality participants as you love all people. Have mercy on us because we are sinful and turn away from You, Jesus. We have desired lust and shameful behavior instead of Your perfect love. Give us a real hunger to honor You and to befriend anthropomorphic pseudo-bestiality participants and bring them Your gospel of love and not of hate. Jesus, You tell us that we need to love our neighbor and that God will bring us into account our sin if we do not repent and ask for forgiveness. May our lives be a sacrifice of love and fear before You Jesus. Change our sinful hearts. Bring America back to You. Thank you Jesus for the mercy you have extended for so long on us. Use us to bring revival to all around us.

Amen.

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First off, I reject your definition of everyone on the planet who liked Mickey Mouse as a furry.  It renders the term meaningless.  Secondly, I did not say anything about furries being perverted.  I said your lifestyle is perverted.  You are sexually attracted to the physical characteristics of animals and have not been shy about making that clear.

I will pray for you.

Pray that God touches my country America and that we turn from the sin of anthropomorphic pseudo-bestiality. I ask for us that we will love all anthropomorphic pseudo-bestiality participants as you love all people. Have mercy on us because we are sinful and turn away from You, Jesus. We have desired lust and shameful behavior instead of Your perfect love. Give us a real hunger to honor You and to befriend anthropomorphic pseudo-bestiality participants and bring them Your gospel of love and not of hate. Jesus, You tell us that we need to love our neighbor and that God will bring us into account our sin if we do not repent and ask for forgiveness. May our lives be a sacrifice of love and fear before You Jesus. Change our sinful hearts. Bring America back to You. Thank you Jesus for the mercy you have extended for so long on us. Use us to bring revival to all around us.

Amen.

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Scary thing is, Disney fans are actually way way way more creepy and screwed up than furry fans. They scare creepy furries.
I did mention I was a very devout, god fearing, weekly church attending catholic, didn't I? I had prayers like those too a long time ago. They they changed to "God, deliver me from your followers," and finally to "God, deliver me from your dictatorial, unyielding, and hypocritical slave mentality."
Good luck to you though.

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The Catholic Church is corrupted and perverted to the core, I'm not surprised you were unable to find inner peace there.  However, unconditional love is hardly dictatorial, it just means you have high expectations to live up to.  I will continue to pray for your salvation from your life of sin.

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I did mention I was a very devout, god fearing, weekly church attending catholic, didn't I?
"Bless me father, for I have sinned.  Today I had impure thoughts about anthromorphic fox penis.

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What do you mean, 'excommunicated'?"

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I did mention I was a very devout, god fearing, weekly church attending catholic, didn't I?
"Bless me father, for I have sinned.  Today I had impure thoughts about anthromorphic fox penis.

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What do you mean, 'excommunicated'?"

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The Catholic Church is corrupted and perverted to the core, I'm not surprised you were unable to find inner peace there.  However, unconditional love is hardly dictatorial, it just means you have high expectations to live up to.  I will continue to pray for your salvation from your life of sin.

The church I went to was no different from the protestant and baptist churches I visited. Over all, all of them teach the same thing. And all of them don't make much sense, or are contradictory/hypocritical. How can there be unconditional love, and eternal punishment/damnation, from the same being? How can someone claiming infinite capacity for love and forgiveness, hold petty grudges for rather benign transgressions, and punish someone for them for all eternity? How can someone with omnipotent foresight, who knows everything that has happened and will happen, set up situations he knows will lead to specific outcomes, and blame us for choices he knew we would make?

"Bless me father, for I have sinned.  Today I had impure thoughts about anthromorphic fox penis.

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What do you mean, 'excommunicated'?"

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The fundamental difference with the Catholic church is that the hierarchy is run by homosexuals and pedophiles and those willing to protect them.  You can't expect much spiritual growth from such an organization.

God does not punish anyone with hell, all you have to do is accept Jesus as your savior and your sins can be forgiven and he will take you into heaven.  Only those who consciously choose to reject this offer of unconditional love will experience damnation.  That free will is a gift, not a curse.

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God does not punish anyone with hell, all you have to do is accept Jesus as your savior and your sins can be forgiven and he will take you into heaven.  Only those who consciously choose to reject this offer of unconditional love will experience damnation.  That free will is a gift, not a curse.

That's the other thing I don't get. What gives Jesus the right to forgive transgressions against others? If I hit you, I have hurt you, not Jesus. It's you I would need forgiveness from, not him. If a murderer killed my mother, asked Jesus for forgiveness instead of me, and Jesus forgave him, am I supposed to assume everything is ok now? If it was your parent or friend who was murdered, can I forgive the murderer in your place?
And why did god have to kill Jesus, anyway? Couldn't he just have just done all that without the showmanship and torture?

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God does not punish anyone with hell, all you have to do is accept Jesus as your savior and your sins can be forgiven and he will take you into heaven.  Only those who consciously choose to reject this offer of unconditional love will experience damnation.  That free will is a gift, not a curse.

That's the other thing I don't get. What gives Jesus the right to forgive transgressions against others? If I hit you, I have hurt you, not Jesus. It's you I would need forgiveness from, not him. If a murderer killed my mother, asked Jesus for forgiveness instead of me, and Jesus forgave him, am I supposed to assume everything is ok now? If it was your parent or friend who was murdered, can I forgive the murderer in your place?
And why did god have to kill Jesus, anyway? Couldn't he just have just done all that without the showmanship and torture?

I'm not stepping into a religious discussion, but you asked so I'll give you the tl;dr version:

Under the Law of the Jews, sin was 'covered' by blood offerings.  These were usually of livestock.  The better quality livestock that was sacrificed, the more 'potent' the offering. (IE, if you sacrifice that sick, near-dead goat, God won't like it as much).  What gives Jesus the 'right to forgive' is that (allegedly) he was completely perfect - had never sinned.  This means two things:  1) He would be a top-notch sacrifice, 2) Since Jesus had never sinned, Death (which is listed as a separate entity, aside Satan) never had a right to claim Jesus (since the story goes that sin is the seed of Death.  no sin, no death). This would mean that Death has technically forfeited his rights to mankind.  To claim that immunity, one must believe in Jesus as your 'personal sacrifice'.

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Under the Law of the Jews, sin was 'covered' by blood offerings.  These were usually of livestock.  The better quality livestock that was sacrificed, the more 'potent' the offering. (IE, if you sacrifice that sick, near-dead goat, God won't like it as much).  What gives Jesus the 'right to forgive' is that (allegedly) he was completely perfect - had never sinned.  This means two things:  1) He would be a top-notch sacrifice, 2) Since Jesus had never sinned, Death (which is listed as a separate entity, aside Satan) never had a right to claim Jesus (since the story goes that sin is the seed of Death.  no sin, no death). This would mean that Death has technically forfeited his rights to mankind.  To claim that immunity, one must believe in Jesus as your 'personal sacrifice'.

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Wow, um, weird fairy tale...

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lets see, we have a mlp fan/brony/whatever bashing a furry while spouting out religious nonsense.....

you never know whats gonna happen on this forum, but you can *bet* its gonna be weird.




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God does not punish anyone with hell, all you have to do is accept Jesus as your savior and your sins can be forgiven and he will take you into heaven.  Only those who consciously choose to reject this offer of unconditional love will experience damnation.  That free will is a gift, not a curse.

That's the other thing I don't get. What gives Jesus the right to forgive transgressions against others? If I hit you, I have hurt you, not Jesus. It's you I would need forgiveness from, not him. If a murderer killed my mother, asked Jesus for forgiveness instead of me, and Jesus forgave him, am I supposed to assume everything is ok now? If it was your parent or friend who was murdered, can I forgive the murderer in your place?
And why did god have to kill Jesus, anyway? Couldn't he just have just done all that without the showmanship and torture?

Jesus does not forgive on behalf of others.  

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This type of attitude is quite disturbing, no matter how sinful the life Rassah has chosen he is free to make his own choices as long as he harms no one else in the process.  Confusing your personal morality/beliefs and the law is a recipe for disaster.

It's also quite disturbing to witness such a cavalier attitude towards death.  At a recent political debate one of my personal heroes, Dr. Ron Paul, was asked a question about healthcare and if someone who decided not to purchase care even they could afford it should be allowed to die.  He replied no, but several people in the crowd cheered "Yes!"

No one who wishes for the deaths of others because of personal mistakes they made should call themselves civilized.  And I certainly hope the people in the audience didn't think of themselves as Christian.  As a Libertarian I do believe in personal responsibility, but that means you find a way to get the care paid for on a long term plan or through charity, not that you let someone die in front of you.

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All furries should be executed imo

Hmmmm, yes... and the following con/party in hell will be the most excellent party in the history of the world. Even Satan will say "OMG, WTF?!... um pass the beer." Cheesy

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lets see, we have a mlp fan/brony/whatever bashing a furry while spouting out religious nonsense.....

you never know whats gonna happen on this forum, but you can *bet* its gonna be weird.


someone pass the popcorn.... Smiley




I think Matthew's been quiet because he's now working on this:



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Why do the "anthropomorphic fox penises" get all the attention?  What about us cats?



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Why do the "anthropomorphic fox penises" get all the attention?  What about us cats?

Say, I wonder when Bitcoin will become big with the furry crowd.  

Yeah, I MUCH prefer felines to foxes, too. As for when? I'm hoping before the next giant convention next Summer (AnthroCon). A lot of furs seriously hate PayPal, because their TOS forbid using their service to sell pornography, and a lot of artists who have been selling comissions had their accounts frozen and their money taken (stolen) by PayPal. Considering that fandom is quick to adopt new technologies (SecondLife linden were accepted by some artists years ago, and I saw a lot of Square devices this year), I wouldn't be surprised to see some adoption within a year, and mass adoption within two. Though since a lot of furries are more left-leaning democrats, they likely won't go for it for the libertarian reasons so prominent on this forum. Though I did learn about it from Jay Naylor, and he's quite a self-described Objectivist.

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That's the other thing I don't get. What gives Jesus the right to forgive transgressions against others? If I hit you, I have hurt you, not Jesus. It's you I would need forgiveness from, not him. If a murderer killed my mother, asked Jesus for forgiveness instead of me, and Jesus forgave him, am I supposed to assume everything is ok now? If it was your parent or friend who was murdered, can I forgive the murderer in your place?
And why did god have to kill Jesus, anyway? Couldn't he just have just done all that without the showmanship and torture?

Jesus does not forgive on behalf of others.  

"And the King will say, 'I tell you the truth, when you did it to one of the least of these my brothers and sisters, you were doing it to me!"

You are free to forgive or not, and human law is free to punish or not.  
But, if someone robs me, thus breaking one of the commandments, and I forgive them, but they they never ask god for forgiveness, won't they still be punished in hell? And if Jesus does not forgive on behalf of others, why do people ask him to forgive their sins? Plus, again, how can someone claiming universal love and infinite forgiveness, condemn someone to torture for all eternity? You really don't question things much, do you?
It always struck me as odd that the people who are so vocal about wanting to have personal freedoms, liberty, choice, and freedom from opression by tyrants or kings, are also the ones who are so ready to subjugate themselves to one specific tyranical king, and give up the greatest single freedom of all, that of thought. The tea party reenacting the sentiment of "Down with Kings!" while wanting the country to obey and worship their king, is almost as crazy as those peple with the "Keep your government hands off my Medicare" signs.


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It's also quite disturbing to witness such a cavalier attitude towards death.  At a recent political debate one of my personal heroes, Dr. Ron Paul, was asked a question about healthcare and if someone who decided not to purchase care even they could afford it should be allowed to die.  He replied no, but several people in the crowd cheered "Yes!"

The correct answer to that question should have been "If you want to help him, no one will stop you." Yes, I somewhat agree, if that person didn't have insurance, didn't have anyone to care about him, and was a waste of life (lazy, self-destructive, unproductive), then it would be better for him to die. If he was otherwise productive and capable, likely someone would have fronted the money to treat him in exchange for him working for them. Either way, if someone doesn't buy insurance, and dies as a result, it'll be a pretty good lesson for everyone else not to make the same mistake.

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But, if someone robs me, thus breaking one of the commandments, and I forgive them, but they they never ask god for forgiveness, won't they still be punished in hell?

When they rob you, they rob God.  They should ask forgiveness from both.  If they choose not accept him as their savior, they will spend eternity outside of his presence if they so choose.  The fire and brimstone imagery somewhat misses the point.  If you think God is not someone you want to associate with or who does not exist, you should have nothing to fear from hell.  All it is is the absence of his presence.

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Kings and governments don't ask for your dedication, they take from you by force.  God gives you free will.   For religious libertarians the two philosophies are not in conflict.  God grants us free will, our own systems of authority should do the absolute best to make sure they do the same.

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When they rob you, they rob God.  They should ask forgiveness from both.  If they choose not accept him as their savior, they will spend eternity outside of his presence if they so choose.  The fire and brimstone imagery somewhat misses the point.  If you think God is not someone you want to associate with or who does not exist, you should have nothing to fear from hell.  All it is is the absence of his presence.

Ah, excellent. So, atheist hell is essentially atheist reality, a world where god doesn't exist?
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It always struck me as odd that the people who are so vocal about wanting to have personal freedoms, liberty, choice, and freedom from opression by tyrants or kings, are also the ones who are so ready to subjugate themselves to one specific tyranical king, and give up the greatest single freedom of all, that of thought. The tea party reenacting the sentiment of "Down with Kings!" while wanting the country to obey and worship their king, is almost as crazy as those peple with the "Keep your government hands off my Medicare" signs.

Kings and governments don't ask for your dedication, they take from you by force.  God gives you free will.   For religious libertarians the two philosophies are not in conflict.  God grants us free will, our own systems of authority should do the absolute best to make sure they do the same.

But Christian religion does teach that those who "chose" to follow God's decree will be rewarded, and those who do not will be punished, does it not? So, although we may "chose" freely, we are still comanded to do as he wishes "or else." And how can it be free will if he knows what will happen? How can he settle all of humanity with original sin, when he created Satan, created the tree of life, and planted it right where Adam and Eve could easilly get to it, knowing full well what the outcome would be? It was rather snide of him to act surprised and angry about that, if the bible was true about that part. It also sounds as if you're rather liberal in your interpretation of the bible. Is it God's infaliable word, or just an set of ideas you are free to interpret how you wish?

BTW, little bit of background, it's my ex boyfriend who is mostly the reason I lost my faith. We fell in love, but his step father was a rather violent alcoholic homophobe, and EXTREMELY Christian to boot. He used quite a lot of biblical passages to argue his points and forced my bf and his mom to attend church with him, while in the evenings would often drink, yell, and beat up his mom, while all my bf could do was hide and cry while I kept him company over the phone or online. I still remember the many nights I stayed up late into the night consoling him. We were just small kids back then, and I couldn't understand how my pure, passionate, unconditional, and devoted love could supposedly be so hated and considered to be so sinfull by Him (btw, no, we were not having sex, and in the two years we were together at most we kissed. We were rather young still). Actually, that was sort of the thing that "broke the cammel's back" as it were, and made me turn against god. It resulted in me hating and rejecting him and what he stood for, befofe realizing there was nothing to hate. The things that started to make me question him in the first place were the previous years of similar stories with my friends and aquaintances, including things like a 14yo girl I was friends with who took her life because she couldn't deal with the stress of liking other girls, and being so rejected by her religious parents for it. There were way too many rather dark stories like these back then (though only one successful suicide that I know of). Somehow I ended up the person people would come to talk to, and heard these dark fucked up storries since i was 12 or so, having too many of my friends and aquaintances confide in me. This was also the reason why my initial career interest was psychiatry. I felt I was good at listening to people and helping them deal with their problems, wanted to help people with psychological pain, and is the reason I have so many psychology classes on my record (I switched to Business Finance later, and all those psych classes became just "electives").

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 I still remember my very first question that started my "journey." It was "How can god, in his supposedly infinite power and compassion, let this happen to innocent children, and in his name no less?" My second question was "how can this love be sin?" It all starts with questions.

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Ah, excellent. So, atheist hell is essentially atheist reality, a world where god doesn't exist?

The problem is that God does exist, so they do not truly understand what this concept truly entails.  They will still have a chance of salvation at their judgement though, I doubt many would make the choice to live without him.

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But Christian religion does teach that those who "chose" to follow God's decree will be rewarded, and those who do not will be punished, does it not?

I think I have explained the concept of hell at this point and the distinction between punishment and your own free will to decide to accept or reject salvation.  God does not punish anyone, you make the choice.

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BTW, little bit of background, it's my ex boyfriend who is mostly the reason I lost my faith. We fell in love, but his step father was a rather violent alcoholic homophobe, and EXTREMELY Christian to boot. He used quite a lot of biblical passages to argue his points and forced my bf and his mom to attend church with him, while in the evenings would often drink, yell, and beat up his mom, while all my bf could do was hide and cry while I kept him company over the phone or online. I still remember the many nights I stayed up late into the night consoling him. We were just small kids back then, and I couldn't understand how my pure, passionate, unconditional, and devoted love could supposedly be so hated and considered to be so sinfull by Him (btw, no, we were not having sex, and in the two years we were together at most we kissed. We were rather young still). Actually, that was sort of the thing that "broke the cammel's back" as it were, and made me turn against god. It resulted in me hating and rejecting him and what he stood for, befofe realizing there was nothing to hate. The things that started to make me question him in the first place were the previous years of similar stories with my friends and aquaintances, including things like a 14yo girl I was friends with who took her life because she couldn't deal with the stress of liking other girls, and being so rejected by her religious parents for it. There were way too many rather dark stories like these back then (though only one successful suicide that I know of), and I've had too many of my young friends confide in me and cry on my shoulder. Somehow i ended up the person people would come to, and heard these dark fucked up storries since i was 12 or so. This was also the reason why my initial career interest was psychiatry. I felt I was good at listening to people and helping them deal with their problems, wanted to help people with psychological pain, and is the reason I have so many psychology classes on my record (I switched to Business Finance later, and all those psych classes became just "electives").
 I still remember my very first question that started my "journey." It was "How can god, in his supposedly infinite power and compassion, let this happen to innocent children, and in his name no less?" My second question was "how can this love be sin?" It all starts with questions.

You are confusing the actions of people with the actions of God.  God is about a celebration of life and love.  You should love everyone around you.  That doesn't mean you should give in to your perverted desires to use the gifts he has given you to create suffering and disease through homosexuality and pseudo-bestiality, but it certainly does not approve of a failure to protect children in your care either.   When I had my troubles my Dad didn't act with hate towards me, he helped me find God again so I could be straightened out.  Love and prayer are the solutions, not giving in to misguided carnal desires.  You can't answer one sin with another.

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you never know whats gonna happen on this forum, but you can *bet* its gonna be weird.
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I agree lol.

I think Matthew's been quiet because he's now working on this:

Thanks to the recent discussion on religion.
I'm actually surprised this is still going lol.
Wen't from bashing me, to furries to the Catholic Church and in that order.
I've actually been sitting here with a bag of popcorn and a bottle of Dr. Pepper watching everything unfold, and it's been quite amusing.
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Ah, excellent. So, atheist hell is essentially atheist reality, a world where god doesn't exist?

The problem is that God does exist, so they do not truly understand what this concept truly entails.  They will still have a chance of salvation at their judgement though, I doubt many would make the choice to live without him.
Well, ignorance is bliss as they say. I doubt any atheist will be able to force themselves to believe, if god does't show himself, since believing in god at that point is about as likely as it is for a Christian to make themselves believe in Santa Claus or Thor. And if he does show himself to be real at that point, I will definitely have some choice words for him, and yes, will chose to live without him.

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But Christian religion does teach that those who "chose" to follow God's decree will be rewarded, and those who do not will be punished, does it not?

I think I have explained the concept of hell at this point and the distinction between punishment and your own free will to decide to accept or reject salvation.  God does not punish anyone, you make the choice.

What is the choice exactly? I chose to spend eternity in torture and damnation, because I chose not to accept or not to believe in him? A choice where I know my actions will result in either punishment or reward is not really a choice. More importantly, being subjected to a punishment or a reward by someone else for what they believe is right is not exactly freedom, either. Also, why is your version of hell the correct one? It's certainly not the one most Christian religions and preachers espouse.

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You are confusing the actions of people with the actions of God.  God is about a celebration of life and love.  You should love everyone around you.  

To me, his action through inaction is monstrous. A loving omnipotent being who is claming to celebrate life and love should not be able to sit idly by and allow such things to happen, unless that being didn't care, or worse. And if god IS just sitting there and allowing lives to be destroyed, especially lives of innocent children, and especially in his name, then his love is just empty words. Meaningless. I would go so far as to say that I know how to love better, and have higher morals, than god, since I would never sit idly by when I know I can help someone in extreme pain.

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That doesn't mean you should give in to your perverted desires
This here tells me that you have never truly been in love. Sadly, a lot of younger anti-gay Christians have never fallen in love, so any attempt to explain to them about it being just falling in love is fruitless Sad It's especially ironic when they keep proclaiming pure love for Jesus. You don't have perverted desires towards Jesus, do you?

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to use the gifts he has given you to create suffering and disease through homosexuality and pseudo-bestiality,

And this part is sadly just misguided bs. Whoever told you this in those words has lied. Homosexuality doesn't cause disease. Promiscuous unprotected sex, with any gender, does. Committed monogamous relationships, even same sex ones, do not magically make diseases appear out of nowhere. Also, pseudo-bestiality... isn't that just wanking to furry porn? Not sure how masturbation can cause diseases, either.

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When I had my troubles my Dad didn't act with hate towards me, he helped me find God again so I could be straightened out.
One doesn't need hate to do harm due to lack of understanding or negligence. What WAS your trouble, anyway? Were you losing faith, or were you starting to get interest in a female friend of yours? For some reason you don't really strike me as a lesbian or bi. If it was something between you and your friend though, honestly, I feel most sorry for your friend.

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Love and prayer are the solutions, not giving in to misguided carnal desires.  You can't answer one sin with another.

Eventually, you may live long enough to realize that prayers are never answered. They never helped me when I asked for help, and they never helped my friends when I prayed so hard for them. They didn't save that girl, either. Delusions help, maybe. Hard work helps. Rarely dumb luck helps. Millions of people pray for the same things for decades with no result. Like for same-sex marriage to go away. I don't think god was ever listening.
And, as I said earlier, I did not give into carnal desires. I gave into loving someone totally and unconditionally, wishing to devote myself to them and spend my life with them. There were no carnal feelings involved, and it's rather sad that you associate love with sex and carnal feelings like that. That almost suggests to me that somewhere along the path of your life your view of love was rather badly broken. Badly hurt by a boy? abused by your parents (even if psychologically)? brainwashed into fearing physical contact maybe?... I don't know. You're not the first person with this problem I've come across, either, and it seems strangely comon among girls. Sorry...

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Wen't from bashing me, to furries to the Catholic Church and in that order.
I've actually been sitting here with a bag of popcorn and a bottle of Dr. Pepper watching everything unfold, and it's been quite amusing.

To be fair, I wasn't bashing your furiness, and if it seemed like it, I'm sorry. It's also pretty much impossible to bash me. So, no furries have been bashed  Wink

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What is the choice exactly? I chose to spend eternity in torture and damnation, because I chose not to accept or not to believe in him?

It sounds to me like you are creating your own definition of a life without the presence of God, not one that I have given you.

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To me, his action through inaction is monstrous. A loving omnipotent being who is claming to celebrate life and love should not be able to sit idly by and allow such things to happen, unless that being didn't care, or worse. And if god IS just sitting there and allowing lives to be destroyed, especially lives of innocent children, and especially in his name, then his love is just empty words. Meaningless. I would go so far as to say that I know how to love better, and have higher morals, than god, since I would never sit idly by when I know I can help someone in extreme pain.

God never turns away from suffering, he offers comfort to those who pray to him and eternal salvation to those who wish it.  

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One doesn't need hate to do harm due to lack of understanding or negligence. What WAS your trouble, anyway? Were you losing faith, or were you starting to get interest in a female friend of yours? For some reason you don't really strike me as a lesbian or bi. If it was something between you and your friend though, honestly, I feel most sorry for your friend.

A girl who I thought was a friend took advantage of me and deceived me into doing something I knew later I didn't truly want to do.  I didn't quite realize it at the time, I hope someday you come back into the light as well.

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Eventually, you may live long enough to realize that prayers are never answered.

My prayers already were, at some point though you need to take responsibility for your own actions.  God doesn't always send a lightning bolt to save you, you have to trust in his love and guidance to show you the way.

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And, as I said earlier, I did not give into carnal desires. I gave into loving someone totally and unconditionally, wishing to devote myself to them and spend my life with them. There were no carnal feelings involved, and it's rather sad that you associate love with sex and carnal feelings like that. That almost suggests to me that somewhere along the path of your life your view of love was rather badly broken. Badly hurt by a boy? abused by your parents (even if psychologically)? brainwashed into fearing physical contact maybe?... I don't know. You're not the first person with this problem I've come across, either, and it seems strangely comon among girls. Sorry...

If you are not having homosexual sexual relations or giving in to your anthropomorphic pseudo-bestiality urges, you are simply expressing the love we should have for every fellow person, but I don't believe that is the case.  Is it?

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September 18, 2011, 08:55:52 AM
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you never know whats gonna happen on this forum, but you can *bet* its gonna be weird.
someone pass the popcorn.... Smiley

I agree lol.

I think Matthew's been quiet because he's now working on this:

Thanks to the recent discussion on religion.
I'm actually surprised this is still going lol.
Wen't from bashing me, to furries to the Catholic Church and in that order.
I've actually been sitting here with a bag of popcorn and a bottle of Dr. Pepper watching everything unfold, and it's been quite amusing.

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So a guy who thinks he's a pony, and a guy who thinks he's a cat, are trying to cheer up/bash a guy who thinks hes a fox.

With me so far?

Okay, but the guy who thinks he's a pony also believes in a god.  The guy who thinks he's a cat finds that absurd.  They've forgotton about the guy who thinks he's a fox.

So then the guy who thinks he's a cat starts bashing the establishment of the god in whom the guy who thinks he's a pony believes.  The guy who thinks hes a pony doesn't take kindly to the guy who thinks he's a cat poking fun at his beliefs.

The fox eats popcorn.

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So a guy who thinks he's a pony, and a guy who thinks he's a cat, are trying to cheer up/bash a guy who thinks hes a fox.

With me so far?

Okay, but the guy who thinks he's a pony also believes in a god.  The guy who thinks he's a cat finds that absurd.  They've forgotton about the guy who thinks he's a fox.

So then the guy who thinks he's a cat starts bashing the establishment of the god in whom the guy who thinks he's a pony believes.  The guy who thinks hes a pony doesn't take kindly to the guy who thinks he's a cat poking fun at his beliefs.

The fox eats popcorn.
You missed that the pony claims to be a seventeen year old girl which would mean she lacks the life experience to pass such judgments on others

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So a guy who thinks he's a pony, and a guy who thinks he's a cat, are trying to cheer up/bash a guy who thinks hes a fox. With me so far?
Okay, but the guy who thinks he's a pony also believes in a god.  The guy who thinks he's a cat finds that absurd.  They've forgotton about the guy who thinks he's a fox.
So then the guy who thinks he's a cat starts bashing the establishment of the god in whom the guy who thinks he's a pony believes.  The guy who thinks hes a pony doesn't take kindly to the guy who thinks he's a cat poking fun at his beliefs.
The fox eats popcorn.

Yup lol, and for the record i'm non-denominational Christian.


To be fair, I wasn't bashing your furiness, and if it seemed like it, I'm sorry. It's also pretty much impossible to bash me. So, no furries have been bashed  Wink
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The problem is that God does exist, 

The problem is Yahweh doesn't exist. 
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It sounds to me like you are creating your own definition of a life without the presence of God, not one that I have given you.

Actually, the "eternal pain and suffering" is the definition proposed by practically every preacher out there. Is hell, by your definition, just hanging out in the afterlife, doing the same thing you were doing in life, but without God's presense?

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God never turns away from suffering, he offers comfort to those who pray to him and eternal salvation to those who wish it.

What is the "eternal salvation" specifically? And what kind of comfort is he really able to give other than make you think "it'll be OK?" I can think that without his help, so I'm wondering. Whether he offered comfort or not (I never really felt it), he never actually offered any solutions.

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A girl who I thought was a friend took advantage of me and deceived me into doing something I knew later I didn't truly want to do.  I didn't quite realize it at the time, I hope someday you come back into the light as well.

Ah, so someone else got a crush on you, you felt in your heart that it was OK, then your parents and church freaked out and told you that despite what you may have felt, it wasn't OK, and god hates that love, and now you got all freaked out about it and believed them too? Or was it just a girl who got a crush on you whom you never actually had feelings for, and her advances freaked you out to begin with? (You know, it's REALLY easy to pray to god to make the gay go away, succeed at it, and then fel righteous about it, when you weren't actually gay to begin with). Also, god said just as much about homosexuality as he did about interracial mariage (I.e. almost nothing). Your parents and your church are not... lying... to you, but what they claim regarding god and bible's claims on homosexuality is untrue. They just don't know it, because, like you, they have also been taught these lies. Think about this, if your "friend" got you to do that something, and in your heart you felt it was OK, and there were no parents or church to tell you otherwise, you likely would have continued to doing that with her, right? Now, why would god make you think that was OK, and not automatically make people know it was wrong, like how we know nasty smells or obnoxious noises are wrong? Why does it take another person or a church to teach us about something that is SO morally WRONG and sinfull? Wouldn't god have known that there would be millions of people who don't have the luxury of the church around who may accidentally fall victim to thinking this great sin is OK?Why didn't he make us know, in our hearts, that it is wrong?


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My prayers already were, at some point though you need to take responsibility for your own actions.  God doesn't always send a lightning bolt to save you, you have to trust in his love and guidance to show you the way.

So, were your prayers actually answered, or, did you just realize you have to take matters into your own hands to get things fixed? I don't really need to pray to work on making things better in my life. I also believe that the thoughts and ideas that I get about how to fix the things are my own, not god's. And, as I said, why is me praying for someone else never actually helped those others? Why are millions of prayers to stop homosexuality not slowing down the legalization of gay rights around the world? Why do gay people who pray for god to "fix" them never have those feelings taken away, and get exposed as still being gay? (Exodus International, a pray the gay away group, keeps having issues with their representatives being busted for doing gay things)

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If you are not having homosexual sexual relations or giving in to your anthropomorphic pseudo-bestiality urges, you are simply expressing the love we should have for every fellow person, but I don't believe that is the case.  Is it?

If you are loving everyone equality, then that love is meaningless, just as if everyone had $1,000,000, it would not make everyone rich. It's not love, it's at most just caring about people, and at least just a delusion you tell yourself to make yourself feel better. Have you, or have you not, been IN love before? Yes, I cared about others, and I loved my parents, but I was in love with only one person. The sexual relations are not important. I am able to express that love with gifts, flowers, emotional support, and companionship, and sexual relations are simply another way of expressing that love. For the two years that I was in love with that boy, we have not had any sexual relations, but it was a connection stronger and more compassionate than any other general "love" I experienced. Our love felt quite pure and innocent based on what the bible said. No different than the love between David and Jonathan, really. Yet, my bf's parents, and the whole world it seemed, condemned our love as something sick and terible (my parents didn't know). I guess I loved strongly enough to chose my love for that boy over the whims of the rest of the world, or even god himself. It felt stupid that god would punish or abandon me for chosing love. Do you believe that to be "in love" with someone means "to give yourself up sexually to them?" I hope not, because otherwise your relationships will be very painful.

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September 18, 2011, 06:14:40 PM
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So a guy who thinks he's a pony, and a guy who thinks he's a cat, are trying to cheer up/bash a guy who thinks hes a fox.

With me so far?

Okay, but the guy who thinks he's a pony also believes in a god.  The guy who thinks he's a cat finds that absurd.  They've forgotton about the guy who thinks he's a fox.

So then the guy who thinks he's a cat starts bashing the establishment of the god in whom the guy who thinks he's a pony believes.  The guy who thinks hes a pony doesn't take kindly to the guy who thinks he's a cat poking fun at his beliefs.

The fox eats popcorn.

It's a girl who likes ponies and pony art, and a guy who likes similar style anthropomorphic cat/animal art. I wasn't really trying to cheer up anyone Tongue
They girl who likes ponies is very religious, and apparently had her parents and church FREAK THE HELL OUT when a female friend of hers turned out to like like her, and sent her to a pray-the-gay-away camp. Now the pony girl is all "gay is bad, mkay? God says so." And the guy who likes cat art is gay and dealt with religion A LOT, and is like, "it's not bad, the people who say that are awefull, and god is not quite right, either"

And everyone else eats popcorn Cheesy

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So a guy who thinks he's a pony, and a guy who thinks he's a cat, are trying to cheer up/bash a guy who thinks hes a fox.

With me so far?

Okay, but the guy who thinks he's a pony also believes in a god.  The guy who thinks he's a cat finds that absurd.  They've forgotton about the guy who thinks he's a fox.

So then the guy who thinks he's a cat starts bashing the establishment of the god in whom the guy who thinks he's a pony believes.  The guy who thinks hes a pony doesn't take kindly to the guy who thinks he's a cat poking fun at his beliefs.

The fox eats popcorn.

It's a girl who likes ponies and pony art, and a guy who likes similar style anthropomorphic cat/animal art. I wasn't really trying to cheer up anyone Tongue
They girl who likes ponies is very religious, and apparently had her parents and church FREAK THE HELL OUT when a female friend of hers turned out to like like her, and sent her to a pray-the-gay-away camp. Now the pony girl is all "gay is bad, mkay? God says so." And the guy who likes cat art is gay and dealt with religion A LOT, and is like, "it's not bad, the people who say that are awefull, and god is not quite right, either"

And everyone else eats popcorn Cheesy

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Aren't we a little off-topic in this off-topic thread?   Wink

I have faith in our digital currency, I just hope others would hold onto theirs as well instead of panic selling.

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Aren't we a little off-topic in this off-topic thread?   Wink

I have faith in our digital currency, I just hope others would hold onto theirs as well instead of panic selling.

BUY BUY BUY! Grin

I KNOW!!

Holy crap, market pushs up to 5.10, and the lemmings drive it back down to 4.90.

Oh well, up is up i guess.  I'm just thankful for the volume - at least it's moving.

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Aren't we a little off-topic in this off-topic thread?   Wink

I have faith in our digital currency, I just hope others would hold onto theirs as well instead of panic selling.

BUY BUY BUY! Grin

I KNOW!!

Holy crap, market pushs up to 5.10, and the lemmings drive it back down to 4.90.

Oh well, up is up i guess.  I'm just thankful for the volume - at least it's moving.

I'll be buying about $3k worth in the next week or two.

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Yes, I just panic bought.

You know, I tell people to get into Bitcoin not for the its amazing world changing potential, but to get in just to experience this market.
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You know, I tell people to get into Bitcoin not for the its amazing world changing potential, but to get in just to experience this market.
Next time just suggest that they set a few dollars on fire every day or two.  That will save them from wasting any extra time and give them the same experience.

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You know, I tell people to get into Bitcoin not for the its amazing world changing potential, but to get in just to experience this market.
Next time just suggest that they set a few dollars on fire every day or two.  That will save them from wasting any extra time and give them the same experience.


Oh, no no no! They should bury them in a landfill. We're all about sequestering carbon now.  Grin
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You know, I tell people to get into Bitcoin not for the its amazing world changing potential, but to get in just to experience this market.
Next time just suggest that they set a few dollars on fire every day or two.  That will save them from wasting any extra time and give them the same experience.

Even losing money often involves learning something. You don't learn anything from setting bills on fire other than that paper bills are flamable. Here, you at least learn how financial systems work, how things are valued, why the value drops, and how to avoid that in the future. Even if costly, it's still a very valuable lesson about something vast majority of people don't know about.

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You know, I tell people to get into Bitcoin not for the its amazing world changing potential, but to get in just to experience this market.
Next time just suggest that they set a few dollars on fire every day or two.  That will save them from wasting any extra time and give them the same experience.

Even losing money often involves learning something. You don't learn anything from setting bills on fire other than that paper bills are flamable. Here, you at least learn how financial systems work, how things are valued, why the value drops, and how to avoid that in the future. Even if costly, it's still a very valuable lesson about something vast majority of people don't know about.

Bitcoin is to a real market as my cock is to the empire state building. I was hanging out with some chick today that works as a trader. I asked her what her biggest single fuckup cost her clients. She's made mistakes worth all of bitcoin right now, and she still has a fucking job. This shit ain't shit, holmes.
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Even losing money often involves learning something. You don't learn anything from setting bills on fire other than that paper bills are flamable. Here, you at least learn how financial systems work, how things are valued, why the value drops, and how to avoid that in the future. Even if costly, it's still a very valuable lesson about something vast majority of people don't know about.

The only things his friend is learning after being convinced to invest in bitcoins are:
1) My friend is an idiot
2) Bitcoins are a bad investment

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Even losing money often involves learning something. You don't learn anything from setting bills on fire other than that paper bills are flamable. Here, you at least learn how financial systems work, how things are valued, why the value drops, and how to avoid that in the future. Even if costly, it's still a very valuable lesson about something vast majority of people don't know about.

The only things his friend is learning after being convinced to invest in bitcoins are:
1) My friend is an idiot
2) Bitcoins are a bad investment

Dude, what are you talking about? $5 Rally!!! Make 1000 threads!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Even losing money often involves learning something. You don't learn anything from setting bills on fire other than that paper bills are flamable. Here, you at least learn how financial systems work, how things are valued, why the value drops, and how to avoid that in the future. Even if costly, it's still a very valuable lesson about something vast majority of people don't know about.

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Rassah please explain your coffee table before making any more posts on this forum, tia.
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So a guy who thinks he's a pony, and a guy who thinks he's a cat, are trying to cheer up/bash a guy who thinks hes a fox.

With me so far?

Okay, but the guy who thinks he's a pony also believes in a god.  The guy who thinks he's a cat finds that absurd.  They've forgotton about the guy who thinks he's a fox.

So then the guy who thinks he's a cat starts bashing the establishment of the god in whom the guy who thinks he's a pony believes.  The guy who thinks hes a pony doesn't take kindly to the guy who thinks he's a cat poking fun at his beliefs.

The fox eats popcorn.

To put the proverbial icing on the cake, this was all started by a bear (Bruno means bear in some territories). Note the slight change in the threads title.

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Rassah please explain your coffee table before making any more posts on this forum, tia.

The, um, huh? If you're asking what I think you're asking about, my hubby got an old wooden table, sanded it, painted the legs with faux cement paint, and covered the top with black tile and a glass pane. He needed a picture to go under the glass. At one of the conventions I attended, a rather well known artist was auctioning a very nice digital painting of one of my favorite characters, Chester, a ringtail from Havoc Inc comics (The comic is not actually adult themed). The drawing also happened to be tall and narrow, just like the shape of the table, and seemed like it would fit perfectly. That piece obviously ended up going to voice auction, where, as usual, the artist said that if it goes over $350, he will include the original Photoshop files, which I would need to blow it up (the printed and framed piece being sold was much smaller than the table). Sadly, or luckily, my highest bid of $1,200 was outbid by $1,250, and I didn't want to go higher. After the auction, I talked to the winner, and, with the artist's permission, he agreed to sell me a blown up, 4.5' x 1.5' print for $300 (the printing on a specialized plotter was over $100 by itself). So, now I have a shiny black tiled coffee table with a picture of Chester holding a coffee cup and wearing nothing but an unbuttoned white men's shirt (benefit of having your own house is you can have "tasteful" porn hanging out in the open). I think the title of the piece was Morning Chester (like morning coffee, and/or morning wood). When we have company, we usually cover it up with strategically placed TV remote and round coaster, though a while ago we draped a vinyl cover over the whole thing to keep it from getting messy, and I totally forgot about the pic (it's been many many months). So, thanks for reminding me. I'll have to clean the table off and remove the cover tonight.
And yes, I do realize that this blows my anonymity out of the water, but considering I've been using the same online nick/persona since 1993, I guess I wasn't too concerned about it.

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LOL! Thanks, that made my day  Grin

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LOL! Thanks, that made my day  Grin

This was the image I was going to post, but felt the coffee cup was a better choice.

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To put the proverbial icing on the cake, this was all started by a bear (Bruno means bear in some territories). Note the slight change in the threads title.


Nice on the "fat cat" connotation, heh.
Yeah, I think one of the unlisted"rules of the internet" is "If it's on the internet, furries will overrun it." This goes for MUCK/MUDs, IRC, Facebook/Twitter, SecondLife and all similar worlds, 4chan, SomethingAwful (a lot of furs in there, and rumor is it was started by one), and it seems even Bitcoin. Cant's say I'm too thrilled about that though Tongue

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To put the proverbial icing on the cake, this was all started by a bear (Bruno means bear in some territories). Note the slight change in the threads title.


Nice on the "fat cat" connotation, heh.
Yeah, I think one of the unlisted"rules of the internet" is "If it's on the internet, furries will overrun it." This goes for MUCK/MUDs, IRC, Facebook/Twitter, SecondLife and all similar worlds, 4chan, SomethingAwful (a lot of furs in there, and rumor is it was started by one), and it seems even Bitcoin. Cant's say I'm too thrilled about that though Tongue

I just Googled the words funny and (insert animal) and picked the four that tickled my fancy. The bear and the fox just so happened to fit the theme. Didn't mean anything with the cat. As for the pony, I just thought it was cute.
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To put the proverbial icing on the cake, this was all started by a bear (Bruno means bear in some territories). Note the slight change in the threads title.

Nice on the "fat cat" connotation, heh.
Yeah, I think one of the unlisted"rules of the internet" is "If it's on the internet, furries will overrun it." This goes for MUCK/MUDs, IRC, Facebook/Twitter, SecondLife and all similar worlds, 4chan, SomethingAwful (a lot of furs in there, and rumor is it was started by one), and it seems even Bitcoin. Cant's say I'm too thrilled about that though Tongue

I just Googled the words funny and (insert animal) and picked the four that tickled my fancy. The bear and the fox just so happened to fit the theme. Didn't mean anything with the cat. As for the pony, I just thought it was cute.

Even cooler that the "fat cat" is a coincidence. I am technically a banker by trade (though physically built like Chester, so fail that stereotype somewhat). Actually, another bit of stupid coincidence about me, I'm a count accountant. Yes, I'm a walking joke, eh eh eh X/

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http://www.furnation.com/Wookiee/2002/W_Morning_Chester.jpg

... except I expect your table leaves less censored and more hanging out.

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... except I expect your table leaves less censored and more hanging out.

It's not "hanging," but yes.
Why such interest in my coffee table btw?

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I love it.  Don't cover it if I ever come to visit.  The world needs more of this.  Smiley

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Why such interest in my coffee table btw?

I think everyone WTFed at Ayo_4_Yayo's comment, and we couldn't help but swivel our attention toward you.

Honestly at this point it's more interesting than beating the dead horse (fox, whatever) that started the whole thread.  I can't tell if he's trolling or just tragically misguided, but either way I don't think anything more we say will influence him.  I wish him well and I'll help if I can, but I just don't get the impression that he's taking any of the criticism to heart.

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(benefit of having your own house is you can have "tasteful" porn hanging out in the open). I think the title of the piece was Morning Chester (like morning coffee, and/or morning wood).
"Tasteful" porn, ladies and gentlemen:

http://i.imgur.com/UQqrY.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/njtBo.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/fexe1.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/LftyT.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ezmbx.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/F3F6D.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/HBarn.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KEGeZ.jpg

Seriously, don't click on those links.  Don't say I didn't warn you.

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I think the word you're looking for is "pinups".  Everything else is just good ol' delicious smut.  Smiley

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OMG eww.  This is why you can't compare yourself to me.  Not everyone who likes children's shows are as disturbed as you.  That expresses exactly the point I've been trying to get you to understand, you have deeply confused your lustful desires with normal human interaction.  Be it love or hate, it doesn't have to be automatically sexualized.  

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(benefit of having your own house is you can have "tasteful" porn hanging out in the open). I think the title of the piece was Morning Chester (like morning coffee, and/or morning wood).
"Tasteful" porn, ladies and gentlemen:

...

Seriously, don't click on those links.  Don't say I didn't warn you.
Wow, heh, good job finding my hubby's stuff that's in his computer room. He,s more into horses and large things. I'm very much not. I don't think any of mine is online, and only two I own is that Chester, and a pic of an arctic fox slave boy hanging in the living room, which caught my attention due to the detail of the gold and pearl jewelry, and the eyes (I often love well drawn expressive eyes more than anything else).That fox pic we don't even cover when parents visit, since he's in the style of old Greek or roman paintings.
Where did you find those btw? Also, I'm wondering, are you trying to put me into a position where you can make fun of me or make me embarased? Because I'm really not bothered/ashamed by this.

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Wow, heh, good job finding my hubby's stuff that's in his computer room. I don't think any of mine is online, and only two I own is that Chester, and a pic of an arctic fox slave boy hanging in the living room, which caught my attention due to the detail of the gold and pearl jewelry, and the eyes (I often love well drawn expressive eyes more than anything else).That fox pic we don't even cover when parents visit, since he's in the style of old Greek or roman paintings.
Where did you find those btw?
They were reposted by another guy on a different forum.  No idea how he found them.  Not sure I really want to go that deep into the internet to find out.

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Wow, heh, good job finding my hubby's stuff that's in his computer room. I don't think any of mine is online, and only two I own is that Chester, and a pic of an arctic fox slave boy hanging in the living room, which caught my attention due to the detail of the gold and pearl jewelry, and the eyes (I often love well drawn expressive eyes more than anything else).That fox pic we don't even cover when parents visit, since he's in the style of old Greek or roman paintings.
Where did you find those btw?
They were reposted by another guy on a different forum.  No idea how he found them.  Not sure I really want to go that deep into the internet to find out.

FAtlas as the forums most iconic troll it's your duty go venture into the depths of the internet to entertain us

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Not everyone who likes children's shows are as disturbed as you.
You mean "as my hubby'" based on those pics, but, um, yes?

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My normal human "interaction" is just fine, thank you  Grin Also, you have NO IDEA how bad it is out there, and just how normal/mundane I am compared to the real freaks (SA goods, 4channers, loli types, etc). You want to see deeply confused, check out the otaku culture of Japan >.<

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Wow, heh, good job finding my hubby's stuff that's in his computer room. I don't think any of mine is online, and only two I own is that Chester, and a pic of an arctic fox slave boy hanging in the living room, which caught my attention due to the detail of the gold and pearl jewelry, and the eyes (I often love well drawn expressive eyes more than anything else).That fox pic we don't even cover when parents visit, since he's in the style of old Greek or roman paintings.
Where did you find those btw?
They were reposted by another guy on a different forum.  No idea how he found them.  Not sure I really want to go that deep into the internet to find out.

Ugh. Just had time to step out during class break and take a closer look at those pics. Yeah, very much don't like either. All my hubby's kinks, and fine with him having those, but not my interest. I'm almost exclusively into thin femmy boy types. Also, omg those are old. I think those were taken 6 to 8 years ago before we remodeled the house and moved all the rooms around. I think most of those were sold, too (I believe some of the pics you found were for posting these on an auction site). Point is, the quality of artists and art in the fandom has improved exponentially over the years. Still porn though. I guess FAtlas is claiming that the only type of stuff he's into is plain old vanila photos and vids? Either "boring..." or "I don't buy it."

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Glad this thread is still entertaining Grin I was honestly worried that it was getting boring or too autobiographical (my life is really not that interesting... or maybe all this interest shows that it is?).

FAtlas, what was the forum where those pics came from?

PinkiePie, still hoping you'll let me know what you hope your prayers will achieve, or if you're OK with my counter prayers for you.

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I am hoping that one day you manage to free yourself from lust and bestiality and learn that there is a life for you outside of the mental prison you have built for yourself.  You've been in there so long you don't even see the bars anymore.   Cry

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I'm pretty happy with my life of debauchery.  I don't have a capricious god looking over my shoulder telling me there's anything wrong with it.  I'm not harming anyone.  I don't live in shame.  I have a loving partner.  I live a fulfilling life.  Why would I want to be free of this?  How is it a prison?  What's waiting on the outside?

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I am hoping that one day you manage to free yourself from lust and bestiality and learn that there is a life for you outside of the mental prison you have built for yourself.  You've been in there so long you don't even see the bars anymore.   Cry

I'm not actually attracted to animals, and find bestiality to be rather gross (I'm a clean freak). My interest in this type of art is just one step beyond people's interest in anime cat girls and cat boys (humans with cat ears and tails, rather prevalent in Japanese art/anime). Porn is actually a tiny part of my life. My big interest in this art is non-porn related (though the porn is still great). Sex isn't actually a big part of my life, either. This is something I am not worried or concerned about, and thus is not something that interferes with my life. Interestingly, I've found homophobic and prudish people who are so concerned about sexual immorality, that they end up wasting most of their time worrying about it, while those they are worried about just continue on with their lives. Ironic, really, that those who are against it end up the ones who's lives are taken over by it, instead of those being actually involved in it.
I think my point is somewhat shown by you thinking that this is something that is restricting me in any way, or interfering with my life, and spending your time worrying about this stuff and my life. From my point of view, I am completely free to think anything, to logically reason through my decisions, and to personally decide what is important to me and what isn't, while you are the one in a prison where your belief is causing you to waste your time being concerned about rather nonconsequential things that have nothing to do with you, without being able to even ask the question of why exactly things are good, bad, or the way they are.
I will continue to pray for you to start asking simple questions, follow through to more complex questions, and break free of your misguided beliefs (even if you continue to believe), and of your unhealthy sexual repressions. It all starts with not being afraid to ask the right questions.

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What's waiting on the outside?

The feeling of "God's love." One caused by activation of specific parts of your brain and release specific chemicals, which can also be attained by drugs, meditation, or a really good trance track.

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I guess FAtlas is claiming that the only type of stuff he's into is plain old vanila photos and vids? Either "boring..." or "I don't buy it."

You really don't think there are people out there who are content with plain ole' penis in vagina sex without some freakish twist that comes with being molested at a young age?
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Actually Pinkie, don't bother answering my questions.  I try to be open minded to most things, but I'm really not to the kind of religion you're preaching, and I doubt you're open to the things I have to say.  We could go around for a while and not listen to each other, but life is short, and there are better things we can do with the time we have.

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I guess FAtlas is claiming that the only type of stuff he's into is plain old vanila photos and vids? Either "boring..." or "I don't buy it."

You really don't think there are people out there who are content with plain ole' penis in vagina sex without some freakish twist that comes with being molested at a young age?
To be fair, I like sticking my penis in any of several different female orifices.  I just stick to girls that don't have tails(besides that one time, but it was vestigial, and I was pretty drunk)

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I guess FAtlas is claiming that the only type of stuff he's into is plain old vanila photos and vids? Either "boring..." or "I don't buy it."

You really don't think there are people out there who are content with plain ole' penis in vagina sex without some freakish twist that comes with being molested at a young age?
To be fair, I like sticking my penis in any of several different female orifices.  I just stick to girls that don't have tails(besides that one time, but it was vestigial, and I was pretty drunk)
FAtlas a cattail if it's attached to the proper plug can be fun
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I'm not actually attracted to animals, and find bestiality to be rather gross (I'm a clean freak). My interest in this type of art is just one step beyond people's interest in anime cat girls and cat boys (humans with cat ears and tails, rather prevalent in Japanese art/anime). Porn is actually a tiny part of my life.

This is a tough case to make when your collection of sexual porn is apparently posted prominently in your place of dwelling.  If you have to go to lengths to make your living space appropriate for a child to visit, you have taken everything further than most people.  It is not the sign of a well rounded individual. 

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I guess FAtlas is claiming that the only type of stuff he's into is plain old vanila photos and vids? Either "boring..." or "I don't buy it."

You really don't think there are people out there who are content with plain ole' penis in vagina sex without some freakish twist that comes with being molested at a young age?

(was never molested) Sure I do. I'm sure there are plenty of people who are perfectly fine with plain vanila missionary. They are also likely unhealthily obsessed with other things (like other peopoe's "immoral" sexual kinks). Nice statistic from my human sexuality psych class - 50%+ of marriages end in divorce. Of those, 70%+ are due to sexual problems (not getting enough at home, etc).
Do I think most, or even half, the people out there are OK with just that? Hell no. Not from what I've seen.
D I think that FAtlas, a suspected SA goon is OK with just that? Very much hell no!! Those guys are often more perverted than even those in the furry or anime fandoms.
Just remembered another weird thing. The homophobes I've dealt with, the REALLY anti-gay ones, are sickeningly more perverted than the gays. They obsess about how gay people are morally and sexually corrupt, and come up with examples of sex acts gays supposedly engage in. Almost all the things they think up of are so horrid and disgusting, no one I know would even think about those things, let alone consider them. But these prudes spend so much time thinking about it, that they do come up with them, making their minds and thoughts be even more perverted than the people they are so concerned about.

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FAtlas a cattail if it's attached to the proper plug can be fun


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FAtlas a cattail if it's attached to the proper plug can be fun


heh not quite i was thinking one that might go with some ears leftover from a halloweeen costume

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I am hoping that one day you manage to [...] learn that there is a life for you outside of the mental prison you have built for yourself.  You've been in there so long you don't even see the bars anymore.   Cry

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I guess FAtlas is claiming that the only type of stuff he's into is plain old vanila photos and vids? Either "boring..." or "I don't buy it."

You really don't think there are people out there who are content with plain ole' penis in vagina sex without some freakish twist that comes with being molested at a young age?

(was never molested) Sure I do. I'm sure there are plenty of people who are perfectly fine with plain vanila missionary. They are also likely unhealthily obsessed with other things (like other peopoe's "immoral" sexual kinks). Nice statistic from my human sexuality psych class - 50%+ of marriages end in divorce. Of those, 70%+ are due to sexual problems (not getting enough at home, etc).
Do I think most, or even half, the people out there are OK with just that? Hell no. Not from what I've seen.
D I think that FAtlas, a suspected SA goon is OK with just that? Very much hell no!! Those guys are often more perverted than even those in the furry or anime fandoms.
Just remembered another weird thing. The homophobes I've dealt with, the REALLY anti-gay ones, are sickeningly more perverted than the gays. They obsess about how gay people are morally and sexually corrupt, and come up with examples of sex acts gays supposedly engage in. Almost all the things they think up of are so horrid and disgusting, no one I know would even think about those things, let alone consider them. But these prudes spend so much time thinking about it, that they do come up with them, making their minds and thoughts be even more perverted than the people they are so concerned about.

I'm glad to see you are coming to terms with the fact that what you are doing is perverted.  It's sad that as some sort of defense mechanism you have to assume others sin more than you, but that doesn't change the nature of the horrid and disgusting sins of your own life.

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and lets take a guess at pinkie pie's most depraved fettish ... i'll start with anal

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I'm not actually attracted to animals, and find bestiality to be rather gross (I'm a clean freak). My interest in this type of art is just one step beyond people's interest in anime cat girls and cat boys (humans with cat ears and tails, rather prevalent in Japanese art/anime). Porn is actually a tiny part of my life.

This is a tough case to make when your collection of sexual porn is apparently posted prominently in your place of dwelling.  If you have to go to lengths to make your living space appropriate for a child to visit, you have taken everything further than most people.  It is not the sign of a well rounded individual. 

My hubby's collection of porn. I'm somewhat not very sexual. But, trust me, he's still just fine (I have absolutely no problems with a spouse who is addicted to cock).
I'm not a fan of children, but at the risk (expectation?) of opening up yet another can of worms, I think our overprotection of children from sex is at least misguided and at most harmfull. You're an excelent example of that.

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See, now you're just praying to get on god's good side, and to show everyone how great you are. Not very honest or humble of you. A bit selfish, even. I'll continue to pray for your freedom from mental and sexual repression, despite knowing that I will not get any reward for doing so.

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I'm glad to see you are coming to terms with the fact that what you are doing is perverted.  It's sad that as some sort of defense mechanism you have to assume others sin more than you, but that doesn't change the nature of the horrid and disgusting sins of your own life.

I don't think Jesus would have replied with such poison.  If Jesus died for this person, where do you get off talking down to them?

Now odds are you're a troll.  And that's fine.  Trolls gonna troll.
But in the off chance you're not a troll - you should be ashamed for how you've carried yourself.


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I'm glad to see you are coming to terms with the fact that what you are doing is perverted.  It's sad that as some sort of defense mechanism you have to assume others sin more than you, but that doesn't change the nature of the horrid and disgusting sins of your own life.

I've never denied that I'm perverted. Just that being perverted, if you're not harming others, is wrong just by itself (or just because some guy interpreted some words on some book, and decided that it is). No, I don't think others sin more than me. Rather, I know some do by their actions, and i do try to be a nice, caring, upstanding citizen (a gentleman with a vocabulary of a sailor even), but generally don't care what others do, sin or not. I do stand by my claim that some of the anti-perverts have more perverted minds than the perverts though.

As to the rest of you, come on guys, Pinkie, a 17 year old girl who by chance ended up too close to a same-sex relationship/experience, is already psychologically damaged enough by her abusive parents and religion. It's not really her fault, and breaking out of this thought patern is quite difficult, possibly involving some trauma (I know from experience). Don't make it worse by bullying her.

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I'm glad to see you are coming to terms with the fact that what you are doing is perverted.  It's sad that as some sort of defense mechanism you have to assume others sin more than you, but that doesn't change the nature of the horrid and disgusting sins of your own life.

I don't think Jesus would have replied with such poison.  If Jesus died for this person, where do you get off talking down to them?

Now odds are you're a troll.  And that's fine.  Trolls gonna troll.
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As I said, I pray for you because I care and if I am able to set a good example for others than is a benefit as well.

Ah, see, somewhere along the line, I came to a realization that almost any human action could be construed to be done for selfish reasons. After that, I never prayed for myself any more, thinking it is selfish to ask god for things, when I should be responsible for fixing, y own problems, and only prayed for others. BUT, I also understood that praying for others is something that happens between you and god. If I tell others, unless it was to let them know that I care in order to make them felt better, telling them and everyone else around me that I am praying for them felt as if I was being condescending, and ESPECIALLY felt as if I was being selfish or disingenuous, saying "Hey, look at me, I'm praying for that other person, so  now god and everyone else should think that I'm a good person and reward me with praises and heaven and such, or at least reward me with thinking well about me." Ulterior motives and such do not make good prayers or people.

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No good Christian would inform you with such ulterior motives.

"5. And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites [are]: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward."

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I guess FAtlas is claiming that the only type of stuff he's into is plain old vanila photos and vids? Either "boring..." or "I don't buy it."

You really don't think there are people out there who are content with plain ole' penis in vagina sex without some freakish twist that comes with being molested at a young age?
To be fair, I like sticking my penis in any of several different female orifices.  I just stick to girls that don't have tails(besides that one time, but it was vestigial, and I was pretty drunk)

I was just trying to get a "Sex Talk with Sue" quote into this retarded thread...but yeah, choice of orifice isn't the issue, it's more the necessity of hiding their disgusting bodies under a costume. I want my bitches naked and spread eagle on my bed, not dressed up like a children's plush toy.
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I was just trying to get a "Sex Talk with Sue" quote into this retarded thread...but yeah, choice of orifice isn't the issue, it's more the necessity of hiding their disgusting bodies under a costume. I want my bitches naked and spread eagle on my bed, not dressed up like a children's plush toy.

Here here! Those costumes freak me the f*ck out. Their facial expressions are always stuck in that weird grin thing, and their eyes never move. I imagine it'd be like screwing a corpse or something *shudder*. Plus they're often mangy, sweaty, and stinky, since they're so hot to wear. I prefer being able to see their faces and reactions, though I somewhat disagree with just liking them naked. I prefer them dressed in something nice at first, and being able to "unwrap my present." Builds tension and excitement  Wink

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No good Christian would inform you with such ulterior motives.

"5. And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites [are]: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward."

It's only about letting you know I care.

How is you announcing publicly that you are praying for me, someone you don't really know, understand, or even know what kind of sins I may be involved in, supposed to be NOT you being a hypocrite, praying in the corner of [forums] that you may be seen? Are you not able to understand that you letting me know you care for me would make no difference to me, since 1) I don't know you, and 2) I don't think there is anything wrong about me for you to care about? Switch roles for a moment. Do you consider it as me being concerned about and caring about you if I tell you that I think your parents and church have psychologically abused you, say that I hope you will be able to overcome the religious harm done to you, and say that I am praying for you because I genuinely care? If not, why do you suppose that I will take your actions to mean that you "care" about me, instead of them being just misguided pity with a touch of hubris and self-righteousness? And if you do understand that I likely will not "understand" your care, then why announce it to everyone, instead of hope and pray for my salvation  privately, unless you were doing it for selfish and self-righteous reasons?
(sorry for the big words and bit of mind chess, but, as I said, human intentions are VERY easy to expand on, and twist into selfish reasons afterwards. Also, I would prefer to use shorter, simpler statements, but I feel I need more specific words to express myself, and in a way, this is a sign of my severe lack of writing skills, so please bear with me. I am also making a genera assumption that my language skills may be harder to follow for someone like you, and if I'm making an ass out of you and me, sorry.)

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No good Christian would inform you with such ulterior motives.

"5. And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites [are]: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward."

It's only about letting you know I care.

How is you announcing publicly that you are praying for me, someone you don't really know, understand, or even know what kind of sins I may be involved in, supposed to be NOT you being a hypocrite, praying in the corner of [forums] that you may be seen? Are you not able to understand that you letting me know you care for me would make no difference to me, since 1) I don't know you, and 2) I don't think there is anything wrong about me for you to care about? Switch roles for a moment. Do you consider it as me being concerned about and caring about you if I tell you that I think your parents and church have psychologically abused you, and hope you will be able to overcome the religious harm done to you? If not, why do you suppose that I will take your actions to mean that you "care" about me, instead of them being just misguided pity with a touch of hubris and self-righteousness? And if you do understand that I likely will not "understand" your care, then why announce it to everyone, instead of privately hope for my salvation, unless you were doing it for selfish and self-righteous reasons?
(sorry for the big words and bit of mind chess, but, as I said, human intentions are VERY easy to expand on, and twist afterwards. I would prefer to use shorter, simpler statements, but I feel I need more specific words to express myself, and in a way, this is a sign of my severe lack of writing skills, so please bear with me)

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you are getting godtrolled so hard, sucker.

It's likely, though her statements seem genuine, and, worse, not original in the least (i.e. I've come across people saying those things before, and honestly believing them)

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No good Christian would inform you with such ulterior motives.

"5. And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites [are]: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward."

It's only about letting you know I care.

How is you announcing publicly that you are praying for me, someone you don't really know, understand, or even know what kind of sins I may be involved in, supposed to be NOT you being a hypocrite, praying in the corner of [forums] that you may be seen?

Jesus did not say you can't pray outside, silly.  He didn't say you shouldn't try and help and teach others either.  The passage I quoted speaks to motives, you don't pray to prove how pious you are.  Prayer is not for glorifying yourself, it's for seeking spiritual enlightenment and hoping for good things for the people around us. 

I can see that you are very much in pain, your replies to me have made it quite clear you really do wish you could escape your perverted spiritual prison and live a life free of sin again.  It seems like you have had bad experiences with other people who have made you scared to give yourself over to God, but I know you will find when you look to God instead of other people you will only see love and caring.

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I get it.  It's okay.  It's just you and me talking, okay?

I know you're full of anger and pain and you have to troll.  It's okay to troll.

But you're doing it all wrong.  You're not pulling in the hook fast enough.  A chase is pointless without a catch.

And the religion schtick?  You're not even really doing it right.  You have your theology all messed up.  You're not even consistent.

Go with the pony role.  Or a religious pony.  But a pure religious troll, that's like the special olympics of trolling. And you're in 2nd place if anything (Rassah has you beat).

When you realize you need more help i'll try to help you but only

And I will pray for you too!  Cool

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My religious beliefs are entirely sincere, and as long as Rassah is willing to listen I'm willing to try and help him.  Grin  It took a lot of help to get me out of a very similar situation as he is in, so I know how much caring can mean to a person.

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How is you announcing publicly that you are praying for me, someone you don't really know, understand, or even know what kind of sins I may be involved in, supposed to be NOT you being a hypocrite, praying in the corner of [forums] that you may be seen?

Jesus did not say you can't pray outside, silly.  He didn't say you shouldn't try and help and teach others either.  The passage I quoted speaks to motives, you don't pray to prove how pious you are.  Prayer is not for glorifying yourself, it's for seeking spiritual enlightenment and hoping for good things for the people around us.

But, by telling me and everyone else on this forum that you are praying for me, you are basically coming off as trying to show everyone how pious you are. And through your public display of care, you are hoping that everyone can see how good of a christian you are, and this trying to "glorify yourself."

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I can see that you are very much in pain, your replies to me have made it quite clear you really do wish you could escape your perverted spiritual prison and live a life free of sin again.  It seems like you have had bad experiences with other people who have made you scared to give yourself over to God, but I know you will find when you look to God instead of other people you will only see love and caring.

I'm sorry if I have given you the wrong impression. I was in pain, yes, but that pain was caused not by my "perversion," but by my own attempts as trying to repress that "perversion" for the sake of god and others. More-so, the pain was caused by watching others trying to live lives true to themselves, and having their families and friends hurt them because they believed that those people themselves were perversions. It was the fear of god itself that was hurting me. A fear that I have long since gotten over, and no longer feel any pain about. My life has no pain (none related to these matters, anyway). I have a supporting family, friends, and a husband I have been happily monogamous with for over 11 years now (while most of my straight friends have broken up or divorced long before us).

Also, do you not realize that you are calling the innocent, non-sexual love and crushes felt by children "perversion?" As I said, I, and the others I knew, were very young at the time. Sex was the furthest thing from our minds. It was simply a crush, a love, an adoration, an infatuation. Something one felt for someone else, not by choice, but just because. Nothing more. And that, you, and others called sick, disgusting, ad perversion. Though I guess you being 17, you don't care, since you're still kind of a child yourself.

Do you know who Thor is? Do you know that there are many books written about him, and are many beliefs throughout history? Can you look to Thor in the same way you look to God? Can you understand that how you fee about Thor, not being able to force yourself to believe in him, is how I am able to "look to your God?" Or is the skill of empathy (putting yourself in other's shoes) not something you are good at?

Actually, this is getting a bit boring and melancholy, so lets liven it up a bit:
If the sin you are talking about is homosexuality, then, I hate to break it to you, but the bible, the original translation, says practically nothing bad about it, and actually has some good words about it (King David and Jonathan are implied to have a relationship, for instance, and David is portrayed as a stereotypical FLAMING prancing queen!). Before you go claiming that as an atheist I don't know anything about the bible or god's meaning, do keep in mind that I've first read the bible when I was about 5 (I liked the stories), and many times since then, and in more than one language no less.

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I know you're full of anger and pain and you have to troll.  It's okay to troll.

But you're doing it all wrong.  You're not pulling in the hook fast enough.  A chase is pointless without a catch.
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It took a lot of help to get me out of a very similar situation as he is in, so I know how much caring can mean to a person.

You do realize that for you to succeed would mean for me to throw away most of my friends, confuse and upset my family, turn away my 11 year relationship with a person I love, married (legally in DC), and made a home with, and throw away the emotionally comfortable place I have finally settled into after many years or grief and conflict? Whom do you love in your life that you would lose if you, while remaining Christian, changed your opinion on one aspect of that religion?

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My religious beliefs are entirely sincere, and as long as Rassah is willing to listen I'm willing to try and help him.  Grin  It took a lot of help to get me out of a very similar situation as he is in, so I know how much caring can mean to a person.

It's okay.  I understand.

I will still pray for you while you're in your time of need!

But what I don't understand is why you're obsessed with Rassah so much.  Stalking is a sin - even if you have a crush on his Anamorphic Avatar, you of all people should know better!

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I can see that you are very much in pain, your replies to me have made it quite clear you really do wish you could escape your perverted spiritual prison and live a life free of sin again.

Hmm, I didn't get that at all from his comments. He seems quite comfortable with who he is to me. You seem very uncomfortable with who he is, but you also seem to be unable to try to see things from any perspective but your own. I get that in your worldview, he's a depraved and evil person. But can't you see that in his worldview, there's nothing at all wrong with who he is, how he feels, and what he does, and thus he's not writhing in turmoil over any of it? You don't need to share his beliefs if you do not wish to, but you would do yourself a service by at least trying to understand them. The first step is to try to understand that other people can actually believe different things than you do, with just as much conviction as you have in your own beliefs.
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September 20, 2011, 03:52:24 AM
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you are getting godtrolled so hard, sucker.

It's likely, though her statements seem genuine, and, worse, not original in the least (i.e. I've come across people saying those things before, and honestly believing them)

Genuine or not, you're still getting godtrolled. How do you think people begin to believe a load of bullshit like that in the first place? You are responding in seriousness to someone posting about religion. Whether they are just trolling or really think you are an abomination and will burn in hell, you're not gonna win.

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But, by telling me and everyone else on this forum that you are praying for me, you are basically coming off as trying to show everyone how pious you are. And through your public display of care, you are hoping that everyone can see how good of a christian you are, and this trying to "glorify yourself."

God doesn't care how I come off, he cares about what is in my heart.

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Actually, this is getting a bit boring and melancholy, so lets liven it up a bit:
If the sin you are talking about is homosexuality, then, I hate to break it to you, but the bible, the original translation, says practically nothing bad about it, and actually has some good words about it (King David and Jonathan are implied to have a relationship, for instance, and David is portrayed as a stereotypical FLAMING prancing queen!). Before you go claiming that as an atheist I don't know anything about the bible or god's meaning, do keep in mind that I've first read the bible when I was about 5 (I liked the stories), and many times since then, and in more than one language no less.

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you are getting godtrolled so hard, sucker.

It's likely, though her statements seem genuine, and, worse, not original in the least (i.e. I've come across people saying those things before, and honestly believing them)

Genuine or not, you're still getting godtrolled. How do you think people begin to believe a load of bullshit like that in the first place? You are responding in seriousness to someone posting about religion. Whether they are just trolling or really think you are an abomination and will burn in hell, you're not gonna win.



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I mean, I was tryin to draw some of it away, but you'd think after 9 pages....  Roll Eyes

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Genuine or not, you're still getting godtrolled. How do you think people begin to believe a load of bullshit like that in the first place? You are responding in seriousness to someone posting about religion. Whether they are just trolling or really think you are an abomination and will burn in hell, you're not gonna win.

Yeah, it's kind of like trying to teach a cat to fold blankets. It doesn't work, and it annoys the cat.
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September 20, 2011, 03:59:30 AM
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you are getting godtrolled so hard, sucker.

It's likely, though her statements seem genuine, and, worse, not original in the least (i.e. I've come across people saying those things before, and honestly believing them)

Genuine or not, you're still getting godtrolled. How do you think people begin to believe a load of bullshit like that in the first place? You are responding in seriousness to someone posting about religion. Whether they are just trolling or really think you are an abomination and will burn in hell, you're not gonna win.

People believe far worse than she does. As for winning, that's not my goal here. In these cases, the journey and learning that comes along with it is far more fun Smiley (yes, I find this discussion entertaining)

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Wow talk about the religious shift Tongue
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Wow talk about the religious shift Tongue
*passes bag of popcorn and soda around the room* anyone want some? Got plenty to share.

Extra salt and butter for me, Matthew. Hope you've been doing OK, bud.
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hey guys, did you know that jesus rode dinosaurs?





ok not really.... jesus wasnt real.


dinosaurs are still pretty kick ass though.




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September 20, 2011, 04:35:31 AM
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God doesn't care how I come off, he cares about what is in my heart.

That is from someone whom EVERYONE tells doesn't know the meaning of the word "tact," what is in your heart, and how others perceive you, do not match up. If you do not care enough that your words and actions portray more spitefulness and piety than care, and will very likely be seen as hurtful to others (and we all know god doesn't want us to hurt others), that's your prerogative.


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Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men[a] 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

And way to start off with some bearing of false witness.
Here's the actual quote:
"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God." Corinthians 6:9-10
It does not say "sexually immoral" (though I'll grant you, I'm more effeminate than most), and it doesn't say "men who have sex with men." This will obviously fall on deaf ears, but "effeminate" in the original language, translated into modern vernacular, means "whiny pussies too wimpy to stand up for themselves, or fight in the army and defend their country."
As for the "abusers of themselves with mankind," the original term "arsenokoitai" has, sadly, lost its exact meaning to history. The best approximation we have of the word, based on its other uses in the bible, is male prostitutes, or boys who give themselves up to sugar daddies (look that one up if you have to). They are condemned for taking their bodies and minds, and giving them up to others to use and abuse. Also, you're a girl. Where does any of this condemn lesbians?


Here's a pro-gay one back to you.
"...Jonathan became one in spirit with David and he loved him as himself." - Samuel 18:1
"And Jonathan made a covenant with David because he loved him as himself. Jonathan took off the robe he was wearing and gave it to David, along with his tunic, and even his sword, his bow and his belt." - Samuel 18:3-4 (Smexy Jonathan striptease!?)
"After the boy had gone, David got up from the south side of the stone and bowed down before Jonathan three times, with his face to the ground. Then they kissed each other and wept together - but David wept the most." - Samuel 20:41 (The couple crying over their parents forcing hem to break up)
"I grieve for you, Jonathan my brother; you were very dear to me. Your love for me was wonderful, more wonderful than that of women." - Samuel 1:26
"And David was forsaken by God, and went to hell for being a homo" - Nah, I made this one up.

Tell me how David is not a total homo here? Fact is, if it was't for the whole "BURN THE GAYS" of the last 1000 years or so, the story of David and Jonathan would likely have rivaled Romeo and Juliet as a romantic gay tragedy.

If still not convinced, here's the flaming gay part:
"And David danced before the LORD with all his might; and David was girded with a linen ephod." - 2 Sauel 6:14 (an ephod is basically an apron, covering only the front)
"And as the ark of the LORD came into the city of David, Michal Saul's daughter looked through a window, and saw king David leaping and dancing before the LORD; and she despised him in her heart." - 2 Samuel 6:16
"Then David returned to bless his household. And Michal the daughter of Saul came out to meet David, and said, How glorious was the king of Israel today, who uncovered himself today in the eyes of the handmaids of his servants, as one of the vain fellows shamelessly uncovereth himself!
And David said unto Michal, It was before the LORD, which chose me before thy father, and before all his house, to appoint me ruler over the people of the LORD, over Israel: therefore will I play before the LORD.   
I will yet be more vile than thus, and will be base in mine own sight: and of the maidservants which thou hast spoken of, of them shall I be had in honour.
Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her death." - 2 Samuel 6:20 - 6:23

tl;dr summary: David was dancing and prancing in celebration, wearing nothing but an apron, flashing his butt at everyone (ephod = assless chaps of BC era?). His wife, seeing him dancing all almost-naked, was pissed and hated him for it (do remember that David originally loved Jonathan, and Michal, likely knowing this, no doubt always resented him for it). So, David told her off, and told her he'll never have sex with her, and didn't.

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September 20, 2011, 04:36:14 AM
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you are getting godtrolled so hard, sucker.

It's likely, though her statements seem genuine, and, worse, not original in the least (i.e. I've come across people saying those things before, and honestly believing them)

Genuine or not, you're still getting godtrolled. How do you think people begin to believe a load of bullshit like that in the first place? You are responding in seriousness to someone posting about religion. Whether they are just trolling or really think you are an abomination and will burn in hell, you're not gonna win.

People believe far worse than she does. As for winning, that's not my goal here. In these cases, the journey and learning that comes along with it is far more fun Smiley (yes, I find this discussion entertaining)

Whoa now. If you aren't trying to win, you are automatically the loser. I won't defend that attitude.
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As for winning, that's not my goal here. In these cases, the journey and learning that comes along with it is far more fun Smiley (yes, I find this discussion entertaining)

Whoa now. If you aren't trying to win, you are automatically the loser. I won't defend that attitude.

Ok, let me rephrase that. I am not trying, or, more precisely, expecting her to change her mind about this. But I do love the challenge and seeing the reactions (OMG, I think *I* might be the troll O.O)

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As for winning, that's not my goal here. In these cases, the journey and learning that comes along with it is far more fun Smiley (yes, I find this discussion entertaining)

Whoa now. If you aren't trying to win, you are automatically the loser. I won't defend that attitude.

Ok, let me rephrase that. I am not trying, or, more precisely, expecting her to change her mind about this. But I do love the challenge and seeing the reactions (OMG, I think *I* might be the troll O.O)

I forget who's getting trolled. These days, it's just a mashed-up blur of under-bridge debauchery.
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I forget who's getting trolled. These days, it's just a mashed-up blur of under-bridge debauchery.

+1

Oh, I'm also curious as to the forum's opinion on the whole David was a flaming homo piece, since pretty much no one knows about it, and with everyone's view of "bible says gay = BAD" it's fun to watch the reactions.

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Extra salt and butter for me, Matthew. Hope you've been doing OK, bud.

Hehe.. *passes Phinnaeus popcorn with extra salt and butter* there ya are.
It's been ok. Got in from work this evening and my right side went numb again. Fell to the floor. Same ol, same ol.  Reapplied for SSI for it. It's already at the point whenever I do get any feeling back in that part of the body, pain is dull'd there.
Been to dr's an ciropractors and they tell me the same thing: your spine's messed up, get on SSI lol.
All of this talk of God and furries and antichrist matter has got me thinking. While I am proud to be a fur, I seriously believe the as long as I'm happy, God's happy. Know what I'm sayin? If it makes me happy to believe I have an animal spirit inside me, then he's there for me. If it makes me happy that I'm gay(which i'm not), then he's there for me. Deep stuff from probably the most hated person on these forums lol.

Other then that, good how're you? lol
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Deep stuff from probably the most hated person on these forums lol.

That's pretty self-indulgent. Don't kid yourself. You are a far cry from the most hated person on these forums. Will the real BW and Tom please stand up?

I don't even think anyone hates you, I think you are just trolling/getting trolled hard. But I do like your religious views. I am also of the 'if there is a god, I can't imagine him giving a flying fuck' school.
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Deep stuff from probably the most hated person on these forums lol.

That's pretty self-indulgent. Don't kid yourself. You are a far cry from the most hated person on these forums. Will the real BW and Tom please stand up?

I don't even think anyone hates you, I think you are just trolling/getting trolled hard. But I do like your religious views. I am also of the 'if there is a god, I can't imagine him giving a flying fuck' school.


Amen to that lol, I'm off to bed. Long day tomorow as well.
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September 20, 2011, 02:40:02 PM
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God doesn't care how I come off, he cares about what is in my heart.

That is from someone whom EVERYONE tells doesn't know the meaning of the word "tact," what is in your heart, and how others perceive you, do not match up. If you do not care enough that your words and actions portray more spitefulness and piety than care, and will very likely be seen as hurtful to others (and we all know god doesn't want us to hurt others), that's your prerogative.

The task of helping others can often result in backlash.  Try helping drunks, or addicts for example and you will not be well received, but it is for their own good.

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And way to start off with some bearing of false witness.
Here's the actual quote:

It is quite unfortunate nobody ever let you know there are multiple translations of the bible.  I guess the poor education you received on these matters might be responsible for your lack of understanding of what God wishes for you.  The passage I quoted was from the New International Version which is quite popular and generally well regarded as far as translation goes.  I believe the version you prefer is from the King James Version.  I think I would trust the scholarship of modern translators rather than those in 1600's England.

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tl;dr summary: David was dancing and prancing in celebration, wearing nothing but an apron, flashing his butt at everyone (ephod = assless chaps of BC era?). His wife, seeing him dancing all almost-naked, was pissed and hated him for it (do remember that David originally loved Jonathan, and Michal, likely knowing this, no doubt always resented him for it). So, David told her off, and told her he'll never have sex with her, and didn't.

And again, you show you cannot grasp the concept of platonic love without sex.  Jonathan and David were very close friends, but they did not cross the line into sexual practices.  I know it can seem strange to see references to kissing, but this was a very different culture.  Even today some cultures greet with a kiss, it doesn't mean much but that cultural standards are different.  

David had multiple wives and an adulterous affair with a woman.  He was not homosexual.  Passages like the stripping of the armor are a symbolic reference to the transfer of power, a symbol that shows up previously in the Bible as well.


26: And strip Aaron of his garments, and put them upon Eleazar his son: and Aaron shall be gathered unto his people, and shall die there.

Bowing is a sign of sexuality in the Bible?

5: And when Haman saw that Mordecai bowed not, nor did him reverence, then was Haman full of wrath.
 
6: And he thought scorn to lay hands on Mordecai alone; for they had shewed him the people of Mordecai: wherefore Haman sought to destroy all the Jews that were throughout the whole kingdom of Ahasuerus, even the people of Mordecai.

I think you really want to believe this because you crave the approval of God even though you are unable to admit it here, but the approval for your sexual immorality is just not to be found in his word.  

It seems similar to the myth making that leads so-called "Rastafarians" to believe God wants them to abuse themselves with a dangerous intoxicant.  Take a little bit out of the Old Testament even though it doesn't quite say what you think it does, and add on a whole heap of modern sensibilities and culture, and you can come up with anything to claim God wants you to hurt yourself instead of help yourself.  He never wants that.


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September 20, 2011, 03:30:36 PM
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Observation!

Has anybody else notice Matthew's new attitude? Somehow through this whole process, he seems to come across a new man. I somewhat liked the old Matthew, but now I really love the new Matthew.

Let's all take a sec and wish him well before posting forward on the tangent you're on. I'm willing to bet he'll even share his popcorn.
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While I am proud to be a fur, I seriously believe the as long as I'm happy, God's happy. Know what I'm sayin? If it makes me happy to believe I have an animal spirit inside me, then he's there for me. If it makes me happy that I'm gay(which i'm not), then he's there for me.

You understand the dangerous path of that thinking, correct?  All kinds of terrible things, things nobody here would debate with me are terrible, make some people think they are happy.

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All of this talk of God and furries and antichrist matter has got me thinking. While I am proud to be a fur, I seriously believe the as long as I'm happy, God's happy. Know what I'm sayin? If it makes me happy to believe I have an animal spirit inside me, then he's there for me. If it makes me happy that I'm gay(which i'm not), then he's there for me. Deep stuff from probably the most hated person on these forums lol.

Being a fur is a serious slippery slope to things even worse, like yiffing or whatever perverted fantasies you might be in.
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You understand the dangerous path of that thinking, correct?  All kinds of terrible things, things nobody here would debate with me are terrible, make some people think they are happy.
I suppose only a catholic would sit there and try to tell me happyness isn't everything. I have my beliefs, you have yours and everyone else has theirs. It's all perception.


Being a fur is a serious slippery slope to things even worse, like yiffing or whatever perverted fantasies you might be in.
And that's a problem how? I mean think about it. I grew up around this stuff, so if you were going to blame anyone, blame Disney. But in all seriousness, I'm proud of who I am and my mate's proud of who she is. It's folks that sit there and try to pin us to a sterotype where we end up on the defense and spit uselessness like this. To them we're all horny humans that are into bestiality and are gay and the list goes on. I find it funny to be honest.
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And again, you show you cannot grasp the concept of platonic love without sex.  

As I recall, it was Rassah who brought up the concept of love without sex here, when he explained that his first love (which you appear to denounce as perversion) was not a sexual relationship. I think he grasps the concept of Platonic love without sex just fine, although I agree with you that his interpretation of some of the Bible passages that he quoted looks like a case of misinterpreting things by projecting modern western concepts onto a different culture in a different time.


I think you really want to believe this because you crave the approval of God even though you are unable to admit it here, but the approval for your sexual immorality is just not to be found in his word.

I think you're still projecting your own beliefs onto Rassah. From what you've written in this thread, you appear to me to have difficulty accepting that other people can have fundamentally different beliefs than you do, and that they hold their beliefs just as strongly as you hold yours. You will not be able to understand other people by projecting your motivations onto their actions.


You understand the dangerous path of that thinking, correct?

Slippery-slope arguments are logical fallacies.

All kinds of terrible things, things nobody here would debate with me are terrible, make some people think they are happy.

Emphasis added: That's precisely what you are failing to see. Some people here absolutely do debate the terribleness of at least some of the things you have denounced in this thread. For that matter, your statement isn't even logically consistent: If doing certain things makes a particular person feel happy, then why would they think that those things are terrible? If they agreed with you that those things are terrible, then why would those things make them feel happy?

Look, I'm not trying to change your own beliefs about what is right and what is wrong here. I'm just pointing out that if you only interpret other people's actions based on your own motivations and beliefs, you will utterly fail to understand them. Without trying to understand them, how can you truly love them in the manner that you profess to? I'm really astounded by the closed-mindedness that you have presented in this thread.
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Being a fur is a serious slippery slope to things even worse, like yiffing or whatever perverted fantasies you might be in.

Just fyi, "yiffing" is a (rather weird) slang term that litteraly means "to have sex." It's only as specific as that. So, sure, "to have sex" is a perverted fantasy, but not really a unique one :/

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Being a fur is a serious slippery slope to things even worse, like yiffing or whatever perverted fantasies you might be in.

Just fyi, "yiffing" is a (rather weird) slang term that litteraly means "to have sex." It's only as specific as that. So, sure, "to have sex" is a perverted fantasy, but not really a unique one :/

NSFW: http://www.google.com/search?gcx=c&q=yiffing&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi&biw=1280&bih=685

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Good morning!  Grin Glad to see you are willing to continue this discussion.

God doesn't care how I come off, he cares about what is in my heart.

That is from someone whom EVERYONE tells doesn't know the meaning of the word "tact," what is in your heart, and how others perceive you, do not match up. If you do not care enough that your words and actions portray more spitefulness and piety than care, and will very likely be seen as hurtful to others (and we all know god doesn't want us to hurt others), that's your prerogative.

The task of helping others can often result in backlash.  Try helping drunks, or addicts for example and you will not be well received, but it is for their own good.

You have a good point. Though, when dealing with distraught or damaged people, one should at least try to understand them and learn how to help them without just outright pissing them off (granted in some cases that requires an entire degree in psychiatry to accomplish)

It is quite unfortunate nobody ever let you know there are multiple translations of the bible.  ... The passage I quoted was from the New International Version which is quite popular and generally well regarded as far as translation goes.  I believe the version you prefer is from the King James Version.  I think I would trust the scholarship of modern translators rather than those in 1600's England.

You are correct, it was the King James version, though it's rather strange of you to assume that I don't know that there are "multiple translations of the bible" when I even mentioned that I have read multiple bibles in multiple languages, and attempted to explain that particular passage using the original language. I think you may be getting a bit too defensive. Anyway, Just as you claim that modern scholars may have a better understanding or interpretation, I can claim that modern scholars are a lot more likely to be influenced by modern culture and try to apply or fit their translations into it for the common people to understand. More importantly, your claim completely sidestepped the fact that I was using the actual original language words, like "arsenokoitai," to explain what the meaning is. I'm depending on the original wording, and the definitions of those words, not the multitude of translations, each trying to fit the words into it's specific time and culture. Fact is, the word for "homosexuality" doesn't even exist in the original bible. Why is that, if it was such a great sin?

And again, you show you cannot grasp the concept of platonic love without sex.

Here I was concerned that you were the one who had this problem. Rather, that you can't grasp the difference between platonic love, romantic love, and just sex. As mentioned, my 2+ year relationship was without sex, yet was condemned just the same.

Jonathan and David were very close friends, but they did not cross the line into sexual practices.  I know it can seem strange to see references to kissing, but this was a very different culture.  Even today some cultures greet with a kiss, it doesn't mean much but that cultural standards are different.

Russian/Ukrainian, the culture I come from, is one of those. We greet with a kiss (I don't any more). We, however, do not cry, and kiss, and kiss, and kiss, when we part from someone we care about. Not unless it was someone we love very much. You are also making an assumption that their relationship did not cross into sexual practices. In this passage:

“You son of a perverse, rebellious woman! Do I not know that you have chosen [David] the son of Jesse to your own shame and to the shame of your mother’s nakedness? For as long as the son of Jesse lives upon the earth, neither you nor your kingdom shall be established.” (1 Samuel 20:30)

Saul, Jonathan's father, is basically saying what too many parents have been saying to their gay kids, "You're a perv! How could you choose him for your love! It's a shame!" and all that.
First, ask yourself, if this was just platonic love, then why was Saul so angry at Jonathan for "choosing" David? Why did he say that it was shameful? Why is he blaming his mother? On the "nakedness" part, uncovering the nakedness of a family member was a euphemism for incest in the holiness codes of the Old Testament, and Saul would not have used this phrase lightly. For example, Leviticus 18:6-18 begins, “You shall not approach anyone near of kin to uncover nakedness” and goes on to list every possible incestuous relationship (except that of father and daughter), stating before each one, “You shall not uncover the nakedness of . . .” Why use that phrase if there was nothing sexual between them?

David had multiple wives and an adulterous affair with a woman.  He was not homosexual.  Passages like the stripping of the armor are a symbolic reference to the transfer of power, a symbol that shows up previously in the Bible as well.
26: And strip Aaron of his garments, and put them upon Eleazar his son: and Aaron shall be gathered unto his people, and shall die there.

No, he was not a homosexual. Neither am I. Though I do believe he was at least bisexual (like me), and a somewhat gay acting one, too, based on his actions towards Jonathan and the other passages I mentioned. It's true that the armor part is a symbol of transfer of power. So, please explain, why would Jonathan, upon meeting David, give up his most prized possessions to him in a show of giving up himself to David's power? My guess, love/crush at first sight. What is yours?


Bowing is a sign of sexuality in the Bible?

Not sure what this bowing is about, as I didn't bring it up. Explain?

I think you really want to believe this because you crave the approval of God even though you are unable to admit it here, but the approval for your sexual immorality is just not to be found in his word.  

I can't want approval of someone I don't believe exists. What are you doing to get approval of Pinkie Pie pony, and if nothing, why don't you want Pinkie Pie's approval?

Take a little bit out of the Old Testament even though it doesn't quite say what you think it does, and add on a whole heap of modern sensibilities and culture, and you can come up with anything...

Kettle <-> Pot. Homosexuality was not illegal, and love between men, and even marriage between male monks, wasn't that uncommon until some time in the 1400's (I think, though I may be off by a few centuries). Marriage itself was simply a property transfer contract until the liberalization of the last 2 or 3 hundred years or so. So, perhaps the bible has always spoken out against homosexuality, and gays are just trying to make it fit the current (new) culture, or perhaps the bible never said anything against homosexuality because it was never considered as anything weird, and Christians are just "taking a little bit out of the Old Testament (about 5 to 7 "mentions?") to try to make it fit into their own (still somewhat-new) culture?

You understand the dangerous path of that thinking, correct?
If you believe that any thinking can lead down a "dangerous path," that's your very first and most important problem. If your faith is strong, why would you fear taking your thoughts down dangerous passes or fear asking dangerous questions?

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FYI: Even with SafeSearch set to "Strict", that search is still NSFW. Definitely don't click it, PinkePie!

Sadly, I had SafeSearch set to "Off" when I clicked it.  Shocked


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NSFW: http://www.google.com/search?gcx=c&q=sex&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi&biw=1280&bih=685

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Have I made my point?

That the Internet is a wonderful thing?  Tongue
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Have I made my point?

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Just fyi, "yiffing" is a (rather weird) slang term that litteraly means "to have sex." It's only as specific as that. So, sure, "to have sex" is a perverted fantasy, but not really a unique one :/

I think the technical definition of 'yiffing' is actually 'Sex between two socially maladjusted and/or fat people who like to pretend they are animals'.

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Just fyi, "yiffing" is a (rather weird) slang term that litteraly means "to have sex." It's only as specific as that. So, sure, "to have sex" is a perverted fantasy, but not really a unique one :/

I think the technical definition of 'yiffing' is actually 'Sex between two socially maladjusted and/or fat people who like to pretend they are animals'.

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I'm glad I clicked.  This gave me a laugh:

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What do we call it when socially maladjusted fat people have sex without pretending they're animals? How about "making the beast with two backs and four chins"?
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What do we call it when socially maladjusted fat people have sex without pretending they're animals? How about "making the beast with two backs and four chins"?
That's called an anime convention.

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comic con?
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What do we call it when socially maladjusted fat people have sex without pretending they're animals? How about "making the beast with two backs and four chins"?
That's called an anime convention.

People have sex at anime/comic conventions? I thought that was impossible for geeky/nerdy types without some sort of fluffy covering to hide what they actually look like?

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There is a perfectly rational explanation: alcohol.
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Still have some popcorn left if anyone wants some

You're not gonna have your junk through a hole in the bag, are you? This thread has seen enough sexual debauchery.
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And again, you show you cannot grasp the concept of platonic love without sex.  

As I recall, it was Rassah who brought up the concept of love without sex here, when he explained that his first love (which you appear to denounce as perversion) was not a sexual relationship. I think he grasps the concept of Platonic love without sex just fine, although I agree with you that his interpretation of some of the Bible passages that he quoted looks like a case of misinterpreting things by projecting modern western concepts onto a different culture in a different time.

Actually I have repeatedly told him platonic love is just fine, but that his insistance on perverting it into a sexual relationship later is the problem.

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Emphasis added: That's precisely what you are failing to see. Some people here absolutely do debate the terribleness of at least some of the things you have denounced in this thread. For that matter, your statement isn't even logically consistent: If doing certain things makes a particular person feel happy, then why would they think that those things are terrible? If they agreed with you that those things are terrible, then why would those things make them feel happy?

I would not have referenced things nobody here would argue if it were things I had already brought up.  Rape makes some people happy, murder makes some people happy, greed makes people happy, gluttony, theft...everything can make a person happy.  You can't base your moral compass on what brings you pleasure.

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You are correct, it was the King James version, though it's rather strange of you to assume that I don't know that there are "multiple translations of the bible" when I even mentioned that I have read multiple bibles in multiple languages, and attempted to explain that passage using the original language

No, you quite clearly implied you were providing the "actual quote" and then referenced a cherry picked version you thought would make your case better.  I was charitably assuming you were doing that by mistake, I can see I was wrong.

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Then Saul's anger burned against Jonathan and he said to him, "You son of a perverse, rebellious woman! Do I not know that you are choosing the son of Jesse to your own shame and to the shame of your mother's nakedness? "For as long as the son of Jesse lives on the earth, neither you nor your kingdom will be established. Therefore now, send and bring him to me, for he must surely die."
 


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Advocates of a homosexual reading of this passage will sometimes point to the description of "nakedness" in this verse and claim that it is referring to a sexual relationship. The inference here is that the context implies that Jonathan somehow chose David sexually (as a homosexual partner). This interpretation then goes on to claim that Saul is upset because Jonathan could not be established as king unless and until he had a female partner with which to bear children who could become heirs to the throne.

But let’s be honest about the passage. Who is described as naked? It’s Jonathan’s mother! There is nothing in the passage that describes a sexual relationship between the two men. In fact, this passage says nothing about ANY type of marriage. Saul is upset about one thing: Jonathan took David’s side against Saul! Jonathan and David were sworn to each other as brothers, and Saul was simply MAD that Jonathan would treat David more like family than his own father.

http://www.pleaseconvinceme.com/index/Were_David_and_Jonathan_Homosexual_Lovers

There are similar explanations for everything you can bring up here, you are trying to fit what you wish God was telling you into what he is telling you.  It doesn't work that way.

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No, he was not a homosexual. Neither am I. Though I do believe he was at least bisexual (like me), and a somewhat gay acting one, too, based on his actions towards Jonathan and the other passages I mentioned. It's true that the armor part is a symbol of transfer of power. So, please explain, why would Jonathan, upon meeting David, give up his most prized possessions to him in a show of giving up himself to David's power? My guess, love/crush at first sight. What is yours?

I have already told you, do you think if you repeat it the truth will be obscured?  It is about a transference of official power, not love of any