Sportsbet.io's English Premier League Football Pool Discussion Thread

[buwaytress]

Nah, no more pools for me. I tried fantasy last season and lost interest or effort very quickly, despite doing pretty well actually initially. This is still the best for me, picking scores takes up far less time. If I had a different job/life, maybe I'd play fantasy much more for sure.

Also, I feel like I prefer the conversations in the original pools than the ones in other threads. That's just personal.

Also, I think I've filled up until round 6 at the moment? That should give me some leeway. Filling out the whole season, without knowing form, was pretty difficult I'll be honest. So, many things change during the course of a season, I'll just have to set a reminder.

I am considering an outright on Leeds to finish top 6 and relegate, both are currently above 10/1. Just don't want to tie up too much money on season-long bets.

6 weeks? You don't trust yourself to remember huh But nah,

@CryptopreneurBrainboss Why are people trying to school me on my own club? I'll thank you like I thank everyone else not at the club for their input, I guess. I hope you posting here means you're joining the EPL football pool though like igehhh at least? Or am I just getting your 2 cents with no future banter to look forward to?

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Is anyone interested in a fantasy pool? I know a few people have expressed interest in the past and I think even one or two said they would prefer it to the predictor. Reason I ask is it looks like Betnomi are going to be doing their own pool and it seems silly to have two competing pools running so I suggested they do a fantasy one instead. Hopefully there's enough interest for a fantasy pool because having another PL pool running is going to severely effect new members joining this one.

I would definitely like to join a pool like this. I hope that we can gather enough interest in a pool like this one as well. As you have indicated too, two pools having the same formats with each other would be no use other than dividing the prize pool. I'm not fully sure but I assume that Trofo was interested in fantasy football pools closely.

Yeah, it's going to be annoying if they go ahead with the same pool. It will effect us both. I'm sure there's actually more chance of them getting more players doing a different pool. Doing the same they will struggle to get many players but any they do is taking away from this one.

I don’t think there’s any need for another PL pool on the forum. As others have said it dilutes sign ups to both. I dunno, I just think as sportsbet.io has been sponsoring the PL pool for a number of years now, maybe Betnomi should find something else to sponsor & make their name in another sport here.

I agree with you. It's something similar like broadcasting rights of tournament. Someone who comes first or offer most money, they win it.
Though, fantasy pool sounds like a good idea. Probably I wouldn't join it because of lack of time, but I think there would be enough interest for it.
P.S. Missed news about Betnomi pool. Do they plan to run it on Superbru or on their own website?

As far as I'm aware it's just going to be the same one as this but sponsored by Betnomi instead.

In addition, I don’t think that there is a question of competition here, since users will have a double chance to take a prize, because, as I said earlier, in any of the pools there is a tendency when users stop making predictions because they understand that they will not get to the prize. Do not forget that it is thanks to healthy competition that the budgets of such events will become larger and larger every year, which will undoubtedly attract even more users.

If one person joins your pool and not this one (and vice-versa) then that's one lost user. Having two pools is going to dilute users so instead of us getting 50 players we'll probably end up with 40 and you 10 or whatever. And I don't know what point you're trying to make if/when people stop playing. Doesn't seem to have any relevance.

There's a gazillion different sports and leagues you could do pools for. There are also several other pools already running that you could sponsor that probably don't have any currently or have very little in the pot. Or just do the fantasy pool. Fantasy pools are much more popular in general as that's what most football fans already do. Because nobody else is doing one currently as far as I'm aware you'd probably get more users signing up to that as opposed to a competing PL pool with this one.

[Trofo]

In addition, I don’t think that there is a question of competition here, since users will have a double chance to take a prize, because, as I said earlier, in any of the pools there is a tendency when users stop making predictions because they understand that they will not get to the prize. Do not forget that it is thanks to healthy competition that the budgets of such events will become larger and larger every year, which will undoubtedly attract even more users.

If one person joins your pool and not this one (and vice-versa) then that's one lost user. Having two pools is going to dilute users so instead of us getting 50 players we'll probably end up with 40 and you 10 or whatever. And I don't know what point you're trying to make if/when people stop playing. Doesn't seem to have any relevance.

There's a gazillion different sports and leagues you could do pools for. There are also several other pools already running that you could sponsor that probably don't have any currently or have very little in the pot. Or just do the fantasy pool. Fantasy pools are much more popular in general as that's what most football fans already do. Because nobody else is doing one currently as far as I'm aware you'd probably get more users signing up to that as opposed to a competing PL pool with this one.

All valid points and somewhat similar to my take on the stuff with couple of exceptions.

There is a gazillion different sports but not so many people on the forum follows them and are willing to pay participation fee. I know since I am running La Liga and Serie A pools that I can only dream about participant numbers you get here. And that isn't so much about money, there is just more interest in Premier League. Maybe the way too go could be American sports or Cricket. Don't follow them personally so it is a bit though for me to judge.

For me the perfect solution would be to have an open bid for sponsorship and that each bookie can throw in their offer. They could be both offers for sole sponsorship and joint sponsorship. Pool captain just picks the best option and we have by far the best solution from players/forum point of view.

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For me the perfect solution would be to have an open bid for sponsorship and that each bookie can throw in their offer. They could be both offers for sole sponsorship and joint sponsorship. Pool captain just picks the best option and we have by far the best solution from players/forum point of view.

agree on this, but simply do not find it possible, not sure thst bookies would like joint sponsorships, and open bet seems hard to execute (although would like it)

nevertheless, Premier league has best viewership and that is why here is the most participants, you probably know, are there some users in your pools, that do not participate in Premier league pool, would be interesting to know their reasons, maybe could be used for lower ranked pools

[Welsh]

Are you aware of how Liverpool treated Mane after he won Salah and became AFCON champion? Are you aware that Liverpool never congratulated Mane, Salah is placed above every other player on the team, and his opinion is superior to the other players'.

Are you also aware that the entire Senegalese community wanted Mane to leave the club? And Mane confirmed it, saying he would do whatever his country wanted! Mane was not receiving the same amount of love and energy he was giving to the club.

Liverpool broke the bank to make Salah the highest-paid player in club history, but couldn't raise Mane's salary by a few percent?

Mane and Salah were never brothers; they were simply professional teammates on the field.

 Bayer first tweet was to congratulate Mane for winning AFCON. A dip at Liverpool.

I mean, there's a difference between a team looking to purchase a player, and a team that already has that player congratulating. There's also a massive different between a PR post, and congratulating your player behind the scenes. I don't know if what you claim is true, since I don't follow Liverpool's social media, however I'm absolutely certain that Mane was congratulated behind the scenes, and not only that Salah was supported for losing in the final.

Mane was a brilliant player, and someone who I'm going to miss, and I can guarantee most other Liverpool fans will tell you the same, and they'll tell you they wanted what was best for Mane, since that's what he deserved. Sometimes fans turn on players when they leave, most didn't with Mane. Think about how Coutinho left, and compare it to Sadio.

I loved Mane, and honestly if it wasn't for Firminho, VVD, Matip he would probably be my favourite player. That's before Salah by the way. However, I know that signing Salah was absolutely more important for the club than renewing Sadio, despite me preferring Mane.

Mane was basically the first signing I remember saying we're getting somewhere. He was the very foundation of what we've built today, and for him to compete this long, and with some of the best forwards to have graced the game, he has been absolutely brilliant. The thing is we're Liverpool, we don't have bottomless pockets, and have always been a team that looks to replace any outgoing money. Hence why our transfer stats reflect this.

I'm not going to pretend Sadio, and Salah were the closest of players, but they were competitive team mates, and sure I suspect there was some rivalry in there. However, that rarely effected how they played. Anything suggested otherwise is simply media trying to mix the pot.

Personally, I'd listen to a number of players before Salah. Salah isn't a leader per say, and I don't think he's put above other players. I do think there's a slight difference of paying more for your best player. Honestly, despite me loving Salah, I think there's more important players; VVD, Alison, and Trent. Those are the very heart of our team, without one of those we lost creativity, we leak goals, and Salah despite being absolutely amazing he doesn't have as big of an impact, except when he's on amazing form like he was earlier in the season. He did save us a lot there. However, that usually isn't sustainable. He goes missing a lot with the opposition marking him out of the game.

[Igebotz]

In addition, I don’t think that there is a question of competition here, since users will have a double chance to take a prize, because, as I said earlier, in any of the pools there is a tendency when users stop making predictions because they understand that they will not get to the prize. Do not forget that it is thanks to healthy competition that the budgets of such events will become larger and larger every year, which will undoubtedly attract even more users.

If one person joins your pool and not this one (and vice-versa) then that's one lost user. Having two pools is going to dilute users so instead of us getting 50 players we'll probably end up with 40 and you 10 or whatever. And I don't know what point you're trying to make if/when people stop playing. Doesn't seem to have any relevance.

I'm not sure, but these are two different companies trying to make a name for themselves on a decentralized forum. I don't think it's fair for one to feel uncomfortable for the sake of the other; these are competitors, and having a lot of football pool will only benefit the players involved because the companies involved will want to increase the prize pool in order to attract more members to their pool. Personally, I don't think participating in multiple pools would be a problem because it's only weekly predictions and not daily stuff.

Fantasy football is always boring, and I don't think it would appeal to many people. BTW, Betnomi can organize MM (multi-Masters), which is always entertaining.

Are you aware of how Liverpool treated Mane after he won Salah and became AFCON champion? Are you aware that Liverpool never congratulated Mane, Salah is placed above every other player on the team, and his opinion is superior to the other players'.
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I mean, there's a difference between a team looking to purchase a player, and a team that already has that player congratulating. There's also a massive different between a PR post, and congratulating your player behind the scenes. I don't know if what you claim is true, since I don't follow Liverpool's social media, however I'm absolutely certain that Mane was congratulated behind the scenes, and not only that Salah was supported for losing in the final.

I mean, Liverpool commiserates with Salah more than they celebrate Mane's victory; Chelsea threw a welcome party for Mendy and fluent him on our social media pages for a few days to make him feel loved; and I hope you understand I'm not trying to school you on your own club. Simply stating the obvious. And I sincerely hope that Mane's departure has an impact on Liverpool's season, allowing us to overtake them.

[Harkorede]

In addition, I don’t think that there is a question of competition here, since users will have a double chance to take a prize, because, as I said earlier, in any of the pools there is a tendency when users stop making predictions because they understand that they will not get to the prize. Do not forget that it is thanks to healthy competition that the budgets of such events will become larger and larger every year, which will undoubtedly attract even more users.

If one person joins your pool and not this one (and vice-versa) then that's one lost user. Having two pools is going to dilute users so instead of us getting 50 players we'll probably end up with 40 and you 10 or whatever. And I don't know what point you're trying to make if/when people stop playing. Doesn't seem to have any relevance.

Fantasy football is always boring, and I don't think it would appeal to many people. BTW, Betnomi can organize MM (multi-Masters), which is always entertaining.

I used to like fantasy football about 4-6 years ago, I played it a whole lot, I think before I joined this forum. There was this FIT (fantasyiteam), I think it was sponsored by some UK betting companies which changes some times seasonally or biennially, the only one I could really remember was Ladbrokes or something of such name, It really was fun to play then and they had their own weekly prizes and grand prizes too, but it was really time consuming and as real life activities and responsibilities became rather more cumbersome I really couldn't keep up. It nothing like the prediction where you can just put in your scores sometimes based on the bookies odds simply because you cannot make proper analysis, but with Football Fantasy you've got to be always aware of who's out injure and whatnot.

That said, I really don't think I'd like to join one anymore, but if it's hosted by someone here on the forum, then I might give it a try too.

EDIT: I checked around for it and there have been some rebranding to the Fantasyiteam I was referring too, It's now been called Fantasy Football Hub, incase anyone is interested in checking it out.
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• twitter.com/FFH_HQ
  
• fantasyfootballhub.co.uk

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In addition, I don’t think that there is a question of competition here, since users will have a double chance to take a prize, because, as I said earlier, in any of the pools there is a tendency when users stop making predictions because they understand that they will not get to the prize. Do not forget that it is thanks to healthy competition that the budgets of such events will become larger and larger every year, which will undoubtedly attract even more users.

If one person joins your pool and not this one (and vice-versa) then that's one lost user. Having two pools is going to dilute users so instead of us getting 50 players we'll probably end up with 40 and you 10 or whatever. And I don't know what point you're trying to make if/when people stop playing. Doesn't seem to have any relevance.

There's a gazillion different sports and leagues you could do pools for. There are also several other pools already running that you could sponsor that probably don't have any currently or have very little in the pot. Or just do the fantasy pool. Fantasy pools are much more popular in general as that's what most football fans already do. Because nobody else is doing one currently as far as I'm aware you'd probably get more users signing up to that as opposed to a competing PL pool with this one.

All valid points and somewhat similar to my take on the stuff with couple of exceptions.

There is a gazillion different sports but not so many people on the forum follows them and are willing to pay participation fee. I know since I am running La Liga and Serie A pools that I can only dream about participant numbers you get here. And that isn't so much about money, there is just more interest in Premier League. Maybe the way too go could be American sports or Cricket. Don't follow them personally so it is a bit though for me to judge.

There is no doubt that the Premier League is the most popular league, but when there's already a pool for it it's probably not even going to get half as many people to join as this one so it seems counter-productive as any pool is inevitably have to going to compete with this one. Unless there's some huge benefit to joining another one it's probably only going to get around ten users I'd estimate. I think a La Liga pool would probably be the second biggest and likely would rival the PL if it had a bigger pot so maybe they should sponsor the next best thing. The La Liga pool is probably not getting much attention because there's not much money to be won. If someone put 0.1 or 0.2 or whatever into that I'm sure it would get a lot more numbers.

For me the perfect solution would be to have an open bid for sponsorship and that each bookie can throw in their offer. They could be both offers for sole sponsorship and joint sponsorship. Pool captain just picks the best option and we have by far the best solution from players/forum point of view.

Having some sort of auction is a possibility but there are a number of issues with it. The losers of the auction can still just start their own pool anyway, and just selling to the highest bidder isn't always the best deal. What happens if some new or fly by night casino just bids the most? They might not be trustworthy or might not stick to their end of the deal with free bets or something or end up ripping customers off. I would much rather have a reputable company with a history we can trust than just take the most we can get.

In addition, I don’t think that there is a question of competition here, since users will have a double chance to take a prize, because, as I said earlier, in any of the pools there is a tendency when users stop making predictions because they understand that they will not get to the prize. Do not forget that it is thanks to healthy competition that the budgets of such events will become larger and larger every year, which will undoubtedly attract even more users.

If one person joins your pool and not this one (and vice-versa) then that's one lost user. Having two pools is going to dilute users so instead of us getting 50 players we'll probably end up with 40 and you 10 or whatever. And I don't know what point you're trying to make if/when people stop playing. Doesn't seem to have any relevance.

Fantasy football is always boring, and I don't think it would appeal to many people. BTW, Betnomi can organize MM (multi-Masters), which is always entertaining.

I used to like fantasy football about 4-6 years ago, I played it a whole lot, I think before I joined this forum. There was this FIT (fantasyiteam), I think it was sponsored by some UK betting companies which changes some times seasonally or biennially, the only one I could really remember was Ladbrokes or something of such name, It really was fun to play then and they had their own weekly prizes and grand prizes too, but it was really time consuming and as real life activities and responsibilities became rather more cumbersome I really couldn't keep up. It nothing like the prediction where you can just put in your scores sometimes based on the bookies odds simply because you cannot make proper analysis, but with Football Fantasy you've got to be always aware of who's out injure and whatnot.

I don't play it either for those same reasons, but fantasy is much more popular than score predictions. I know quite a few people in real life who play it and they're always trying to get me to join but I can't be bothered with it. I'm sure there's a lot of interest on here too. Maybe not as much as this one but you won't know until someone tries it. There's loads of bookies that do fantasy football but I've not seen any do score predictions other than SkyBet's Super 6 but that's just for 6 of the three o clock kick offs and they often throw a couple of the lower league games in if there's not enough going on in the PL.

[icopress]

Thank you all for the discussion, and thanks to some of the guys who PMed me some good arguments.

The funds that I wanted to use to create another Premier League pool will be used to create a Champions League pool.

[rdbase]

These friendly matches are in a way a look at how the teams formation is going into the season.
Watched the Leeds match yesterday and it was only worth watching for the first half as that is where all the goals were.
Tuned off after that as I had to go to work.
Just surprised the Australian Brisbane put one in and it was a deflection straight to the goal scorer or Leeds would of had a clean sheet. Looks like Bamford took the pitch in the second half as I watched the post game interview and the announcer was congratulating him on a fine outing.
Just got up to see my favorite youtuber to do watchalongs with for EPL matches had Liverpool against Crystal Palace.
They are the first team to have their match with Arsenal and just an insider tip for the pool:
I have Crystal palace take it 2-1. It is more likely to be right if Zaha stays fit and can be in the starting lineup come match day.

[casperBGD]

Thank you all for the discussion, and thanks to some of the guys who PMed me some good arguments.

The funds that I wanted to use to create another Premier League pool will be used to create a Champions League pool.

that is great news, CL pool has small numbers of participants, and it is sponsored by our member buwaytress
having bookie sponsorship will probably increase number of participants for the pool, but bear in mind to start advertisement on time, since that is usually an issue of lacking participants, it start lately, after top leagues start initially

[swogerino]

Thank you all for the discussion, and thanks to some of the guys who PMed me some good arguments.

The funds that I wanted to use to create another Premier League pool will be used to create a Champions League pool.

If I recall correctly hilarious organized a Champions League pool a couple of years ago but I don't see him doing it again for this year so yes most probably to get somewhat near the number of participants of the Premier League I think Champions League can be a really good option.Not a lot of people are really fans of Champions League like they are in Premier League or their local leagues but surely in the final stages it can get hot in the Champions so I think a decent number of people may join there.

[cryptofrka]

Thank you all for the discussion, and thanks to some of the guys who PMed me some good arguments.

The funds that I wanted to use to create another Premier League pool will be used to create a Champions League pool.

This is good to hear, I was always surprised why the CL pool doesn't attract more players.
Now with a good sponsorship deal it should have no problem getting 30+ members.

Good call, CL is as close as you can get to PL - for some even more important and luxurious.

[Welsh]

I mean, Liverpool commiserates with Salah more than they celebrate Mane's victory; Chelsea threw a welcome party for Mendy and fluent him on our social media pages for a few days to make him feel loved; and I hope you understand I'm not trying to school you on your own club. Simply stating the obvious. And I sincerely hope that Mane's departure has an impact on Liverpool's season, allowing us to overtake them.

Yeah, but we've also got to think of Salah too here, and you might say that's prioritising him. However, imagining you come back from losing the final, and probably partly blaming yourself, and then your club is throwing a part for the player you were directly up against. It's all about managing morale.

I have no doubt his departure will affect us. I'm not sure how much Nunez will make a difference at the moment, but looks like a player. Diaz has looked brilliant though, so I don't think we're out for the count yet.

[Joca97]

I mean, Liverpool commiserates with Salah more than they celebrate Mane's victory; Chelsea threw a welcome party for Mendy and fluent him on our social media pages for a few days to make him feel loved; and I hope you understand I'm not trying to school you on your own club. Simply stating the obvious. And I sincerely hope that Mane's departure has an impact on Liverpool's season, allowing us to overtake them.

Yeah, but we've also got to think of Salah too here, and you might say that's prioritising him. However, imagining you come back from losing the final, and probably partly blaming yourself, and then your club is throwing a part for the player you were directly up against. It's all about managing morale.

I have no doubt his departure will affect us. I'm not sure how much Nunez will make a difference at the moment, but looks like a player. Diaz has looked brilliant though, so I don't think we're out for the count yet.

I still think that Diaz and Salah will need a lot of time to be combined toghether even tho they played last season togheter a little. We have seen honestly from Diaz that he will be a great substitute for Mane. Brilliant player and i think he will replace him just fine

[Welsh]

I still think that Diaz and Salah will need a lot of time to be combined toghether even tho they played last season togheter a little. We have seen honestly from Diaz that he will be a great substitute for Mane. Brilliant player and i think he will replace him just fine

I don't think so. Diaz has slotted in almost instantly. Literally, looks like he has been playing for us for years. That's what I was so surprised by. I don't think I've seen him have a bad game in a Liverpool shirt yet, and almost always made an impact if he was starting to being subbed on.

I'm not too worried about Diaz. Nunes will take a bit to slot in probably. He haven't really played with a player like him for a long time, and he isn't like Mane or Bobby. I can't say I'm overly familiar with him, but when I have seen him he has looked dangerous. Is he a Liverpool player? Only time will tell.

[Igebotz]

Thank you all for the discussion, and thanks to some of the guys who PMed me some good arguments.

The funds that I wanted to use to create another Premier League pool will be used to create a Champions League pool.

Nice choice, but I would prefer the Europa League pool because it has more games, is more competitive, and is more difficult to predict than the Champions League, but yes, the Champions League is a great choice because it would attract more members than the Europa League. I'll be a part of it.

Yeah, but we've also got to think of Salah too here, and you might say that's prioritising him. However, imagining you come back from losing the final, and probably partly blaming yourself, and then your club is throwing a part for the player you were directly up against. It's all about managing morale.

Are you implying that Salah is a bitter loser? No player with sportsmanship would object to his club congratulating a teammate, and Salah should have been the first to congratulate Mane. Nothing like managing morale; it's more like respecting Salah more. It's all over now.

I have no doubt his departure will affect us. I'm not sure how much Nunez will make a difference at the moment, but looks like a player. Diaz has looked brilliant though, so I don't think we're out for the count yet.

Nunez's poor first touch would make it difficult for him to adapt, as he has Lukaku's first touch and Halaand height. Diaz has adapted well to the league, but his finishing and final third pass still need to improve.

[Welsh]

Yeah, I'm still undecided on Nunez, although I have high hopes.

Are you implying that Salah is a bitter loser? No player with sportsmanship would object to his club congratulating a teammate, and Salah should have been the first to congratulate Mane. Nothing like managing morale; it's more like respecting Salah more. It's all over now.

I don't know, I don't know him personally . Although, it was quite obviously effecting his performance. Salah wasn't the same player that he was going into that tournament, which I think most can agree on. Whether it was a natural dip in form or because of the result, I don't know for sure.

I do think managing morale is important, and that works both ways. Although, I do find it hard to believe that Mane wasn't supported, since Klopp is known to be close to his players, and also has great man management skills.

[Trofo]

Thank you all for the discussion, and thanks to some of the guys who PMed me some good arguments.

The funds that I wanted to use to create another Premier League pool will be used to create a Champions League pool.

If I recall correctly hilarious organized a Champions League pool a couple of years ago but I don't see him doing it again for this year so yes most probably to get somewhat near the number of participants of the Premier League I think Champions League can be a really good option.Not a lot of people are really fans of Champions League like they are in Premier League or their local leagues but surely in the final stages it can get hot in the Champions so I think a decent number of people may join there.

Champions League is actually my favorite competition and I am joining that one for sure. I was really sad it did not get love it deserves here in forum, after all it is top football competition in the world. No other competition has that quality of games and numbers of star players, especially after we get to later stages. Not even World Cup or Euro can compete with it quality wise. Of course national tournaments have other things going on for them like they are played every 4 years not every year and that makes them more interesting.

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Thank you all for the discussion, and thanks to some of the guys who PMed me some good arguments.

The funds that I wanted to use to create another Premier League pool will be used to create a Champions League pool.

Thanks for listening to the feedback. This works out better for everyone and it's actually probably a better option than La Liga as I'm sure the Champion's League is as popular if not more than the La Liga. There's still a while before the CL starts as well so there's plenty of time to drum up interest rather than rushing to try compete with this one which would have 100% effected both pools. I usually run the CL one as well but I guess I'll just let you just take over that one instead since that solves the sponsorship issues we normally have.

Thank you all for the discussion, and thanks to some of the guys who PMed me some good arguments.

The funds that I wanted to use to create another Premier League pool will be used to create a Champions League pool.

If I recall correctly hilarious organized a Champions League pool a couple of years ago but I don't see him doing it again for this year so yes most probably to get somewhat near the number of participants of the Premier League I think Champions League can be a really good option.Not a lot of people are really fans of Champions League like they are in Premier League or their local leagues but surely in the final stages it can get hot in the Champions so I think a decent number of people may join there.

Champions League is actually my favorite competition and I am joining that one for sure. I was really sad it did not get love it deserves here in forum, after all it is top football competition in the world. No other competition has that quality of games and numbers of star players, especially after we get to later stages. Not even World Cup or Euro can compete with it quality wise. Of course national tournaments have other things going on for them like they are played every 4 years not every year and that makes them more interesting.

World Cup is far better than the CL. I think one of the reasons the CL pool wasn't as popular was there wasn't much to win in the pot but if Betnomi are putting a lot of money in that will probably change and could likely rival this one in numbers now.