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June 17, 2018, 04:29:05 PM
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I agree with you because there's a big chance that you are right sir. It is very hard to believe (IMO) that a high-ranked member which also means being old here in the forum doesn't aware that merit begging is strictly prohibited knowing also the fact that the issue regarding this was already been discussed here in Meta so many times before so there is no excuses for him.

That account should be reported and let the mods hear his alibi (I bet it won't be valid Grin). But if ever this is not a bought account then he still did a mistake and liable of what he did.
People make mistakes it's within our nature. Far too many people around here are to quick to judge, and react by tagging them. I respect Jet Cash for actually looking at the user account, and determining that it might not be worth ruining his reputation over.

Even high ranked members can make mistakes, and not be aware. If he doesn't learn from his mistakes then he'll likely be found out eventually, and can then be tagged. But, a one off in this scenario isn't that bad in my opinion.

Informing them via personal message that asking for merit is frowned upon would be the better option.

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June 17, 2018, 04:38:54 PM
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I've done that, but I thought it was worth reminding beggars that begging is counter productive.
Such a reminder is lost on them.  The only thing that would get their attention is a big, bright red trust--not that I'm endorsing this approach for whoever sent you that PM, because I'm not.  I think such an action would be too harsh in this case.  But we all know that the approach of people is to sling shit up against every wall in sight to see what sticks, hence why you see people still applying for sig campaigns that are obviously closed.

As suggested, put this guy's PMs on ignore.  If you want to deal an even harsher blow, put his posts on ignore.  That'll ensure he never receives merit from you.  He's probably PMed other merit sources and tried the same tactic, and those people should do the same thing.

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June 17, 2018, 06:42:58 PM
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Hey Bud,

I want to rank up my bct profile at some point in the future (I know it's a while until the next rank) but was wondering what I would need to do in order to get some merit? Or if you could throw me some that'd be awesome.

Let me know

Thiis is bad from a number of aspects. If he doesn't know what to do, then he isn't reading the threads, or supporting the forum. A lazy poster like that shouldn't be getting merits anyway. I was in a good mood, so I just put him on ignore, but I usually report the begging spam.

I receive PMs like this once or twice a week.  I just leave them negative trust and move on.

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OK - I had a quick look at the guys posting history, and I don't believe it is a bought account. He seems more interested in buying and selling, with a bit of trading, and has no negative trust apart from one retaliatory. Apart from his impulse to beg for merit, I can't see anything that is detrimental to the forum. I haven't looked in depth, but I'm inclined to leave this alone for the moment. It does show that begging for merit could have a serious impact on your trading activities here, and I hope that members will take note, and will not try to abuse the merit system.

Probably the best attitude you can take: to take a look, to do a quick research before taking any desition!
Anyway, It is not happening every single day, so for the moment doesn't seem something to take too seriously.
I don't know if there is any policy here in the forum regarding these kinds of PM activities, if not, maybe this is time to include some new rules.

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June 17, 2018, 08:14:15 PM
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Hey Bud,

I want to rank up my bct profile at some point in the future (I know it's a while until the next rank) but was wondering what I would need to do in order to get some merit? Or if you could throw me some that'd be awesome.

Let me know

Thiis is bad from a number of aspects. If he doesn't know what to do, then he isn't reading the threads, or supporting the forum. A lazy poster like that shouldn't be getting merits anyway. I was in a good mood, so I just put him on ignore, but I usually report the begging spam.
- If you can disclose the profile, they should be tagged for begging merits.
 - Why are you hiding the profile anyway? It's good that the merit sources are disclosed so when a merit beggar like him shows up, it will be easier for DT members to tag them.

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Hey Bud,

I want to rank up my bct profile at some point in the future (I know it's a while until the next rank) but was wondering what I would need to do in order to get some merit? Or if you could throw me some that'd be awesome.

Let me know

Thiis is bad from a number of aspects. If he doesn't know what to do, then he isn't reading the threads, or supporting the forum. A lazy poster like that shouldn't be getting merits anyway. I was in a good mood, so I just put him on ignore, but I usually report the begging spam.
- If you can disclose the profile, they should be tagged for begging merits.
 - Why are you hiding the profile anyway? It's good that the merit sources are disclosed so when a merit beggar like him shows up, it will be easier for DT members to tag them.
Just refer to Welsh response above. I agree with the reply to the private message. If there were no irregularity on the account, then just send a warning. It could be a little desperation or mistake as said by Welsh.

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June 17, 2018, 10:24:25 PM
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I don't even thing it's because you're a known merit source Jet.

I get those PMs now and then asking how to get merit and such.
I usually don't report them because I'm too busy laughing at how all of their posts seem to be in the altcoin threads and other spam hotspots on the forum.

I agree with Welsh and think that they could just be pointed in the right direction, they're still salvagable from that point.

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June 17, 2018, 10:43:54 PM
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There are some interesting views on begging for merit in this thread. I think I'm going to send him the link to it, that could be better than any direct action that I could take

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June 18, 2018, 02:40:26 AM
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I receive PMs like this once or twice a week.  I just leave them negative trust and move on.

What do we have here? yes ladies and gentlemen, we have Vod tagging forum members just because they asked him to have a look at their post histories and merit them if he finds their posts meritable. Vod is a lost cause and should be stopped.
He doesn't realize that we have a limited numbers of merit sources and people don't have a place or a section to check and ask for some merits if they haven't received any merits even if they are posting good content and Vod who is also a merit source simply uses DT2 negative trust just to get rid of the people, what an irresponsible individual and such an abuser.

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The formula to find out a merit source is trivial, just give him/her enough time and will be giving out more merits than he/her could possibly have. There is no way to keep it a secret.
The secrecy of merit sources is assured by merit beggars being too stupid to think of that. Even after you just explained it, they still won't think of it, because most of them can barely understand English.

They wouldn't know it even if the list was pinned at the top of Meta. The average bitcointalker doesn't read anything nowadays - rules, pinned posts, or threads they're posting in. Beggars seem to send PMs to people they see meriting others with no particular concern whether they're merit sources or not.

I would argue that having the merit source list public would encourage accountability because:

The sad part is that a many of them are inactive


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June 18, 2018, 10:36:05 AM
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accountable for what?
may i remind you many of us (them?) never asked to be a source, and have no interest in participating in the drama/shitposters lives nor circle jerks here


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I don't mind doing my bit. As I've posted before, banking and crypto is going through a massive change at the moment, and things will never be the same again. I hope that Bitcoin Talk can play a major part in helping us to understand the changes as they happen, and that means a lot more than Bitcoin.

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accountable for what?
may i remind you many of us (them?) never asked to be a source, and have no interest in participating in the drama/shitposters lives nor circle jerks here


Are you an alt account of a merit source? what suchmoon said was that if people know who are all the merit sources then people would ask them why are you inactive and not distributing your source merits? that is the accountability she was talking about.

Funny when I was a merit source and I even made it public, I never got any PMs from people asking for merits, I only made it public for people to point my mistakes to me so that I could improve my meriting methods, instead people attacked my character without having anything to say about my merit transactions.

Fun fact: Jet Cash made it public himself that he is a source and now is bitching about it. lol.

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accountable for what?
may i remind you many of us (them?) never asked to be a source, and have no interest in participating in the drama/shitposters lives nor circle jerks here

If you're a merit source then perhaps you should ask theymos to replace you with someone who doesn't mind spending a few minutes here and there spreading merits. There are a few pending applications in Meta that could be good additions. I think the system would work best with a diverse and active merit source pool. Right now the total merit spending is less than half of ideal, so there is room for improvement.

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I think the system would work best with a diverse and active merit source pool. Right now the total merit spending is less than half of ideal, so there is room for improvement.

What a shame really, I got tagged by you when I was in the process of reapplying, really such a waste of talent and time, I should be out there meriting people instead I got tagged and forced to focus on DT members and their tagging habits, it's not too late you know? please un-tag me and let me to bump my application, maybe theymos changes his mind and accept me just to stop me from poking my nose in his little cute trust system.

Though if I become a source again, I'd have no other choice other than starting to poke my nose into other sources businesses like before, guys whatever you do I am not going to stop. you'll have to deal with me one way or another. Wink

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I want to rank up my bct profile at some point in the future (I know it's a while until the next rank) but was wondering what I would need to do in order to get some merit? Or if you could throw me some that'd be awesome.

Let me know

Thiis is bad from a number of aspects. If he doesn't know what to do, then he isn't reading the threads, or supporting the forum. A lazy poster like that shouldn't be getting merits anyway. I was in a good mood, so I just put him on ignore, but I usually report the begging spam.

That's are the shitposter who's only thinking for their own good. They don't care if they contribute in the forum what matter for them is, they need to rank up so that their paying rates would rank up too. And one more thing being a Sr. Member you should know already the rules. I guess some of  he's/her post doesn't make sense to help this forum.
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Right now the total merit spending is less than half of ideal, so there is room for improvement.


Well my van passed the government test with no advisories, and I've spent most of the afternoon having tea with a hot granny. So I'll see what I can do to improve the distribution of merits.

Well I quit that to stay in a good mood. There isn't one thread on the first page of beginners board that looked to be worth opening. I went to the serious discussion board, and there is a thread about comparing Bitcoin with cowrie shells, and a quick look didn't reveal anything more mature. The Ivory Tower hasn't moved for a couple of days. I'll have a look at the tech boards a bit later.

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What a shame really, I got tagged by you when I was in the process of reapplying, really such a waste of talent and time, I should be out there meriting people instead I got tagged and forced to focus on DT members and their tagging habits, it's not too late you know? please un-tag me and let me to bump my application, maybe theymos changes his mind and accept me just to stop me from poking my nose in his little cute trust system.

Though if I become a source again, I'd have no other choice other than starting to poke my nose into other sources businesses like before, guys whatever you do I am not going to stop. you'll have to deal with me one way or another.
As a DT merit source, I'm so intimidated. Not.


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June 19, 2018, 11:51:22 AM
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Very sly move from the side of this guy Grin he is lucky that you were in a good mood to not report on him or give him negative trust. But as we say here "those who doesn't take a risk doesn't drink shampane", so he took  Cheesy
I think it was simple try to get merit from you, cause of there are a lot of advices and the information of how to earn merit on the forum that it is unnecessary to ask you private for the same kind of advices.
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