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June 18, 2018, 05:42:02 PM
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A world where the top 3 publicly known richest people have more wealth then the ENTIRE bottom half of the world's population.

In America there are more than enough homes to provide shelter for every person yet there are many that are still homeless.  I was in Los Angeles last week and parts of that place look like a 3rd world country with all the tent communities.

People are so brainwashed they treat Elon Musk like a god yet he is part of the problem.  He is just another Capitalistic overload like Bezos.

Capitalism is destroying our lives.  Suicide rates and depression are higher than ever before. 

A truly advanced civilization would be so far removed from our current system.  We are able to produce more than enough for everyone but we do a absolutely terrible job of allocating resources. 

No one is self made.  Every single rich person gets rich off the work of others, the structure of society, or just people in general.
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June 18, 2018, 05:54:32 PM
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In America there are more than enough homes to provide shelter for every person yet there are many that are still homeless.  I was in Los Angeles last week and parts of that place look like a 3rd world country with all the tent communities.
You are trying to see the third world from Los Angeles! Wrong direction. Consider staying few weeks in any of these countries...

1   Malawi   $250
2   Burundi   $270
3   Central African Republic   $320
4   Liberia   $370
5   Congo, Dem. Rep.   $380
6   Niger   $410
7   Madagascar   $440
8   Guinea   $470
9   Ethiopia   $550
10   Guinea-Bissau   $550
11   Togo   $570
12   Mozambique   $600
13   Mali   $650
14   Uganda   $670
15   Afghanistan   $680
16   Burkina Faso   $700
17   Rwanda   $700
18   Sierra Leone   $700
19   Nepal   $730
20   Comoros   $790
21   Haiti   $820
22   Zimbabwe   $840
23   Benin   $890
24   Tanzania   $920
25   South Sudan   $970

Countries With The Lowest Income In The World.
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June 18, 2018, 06:02:25 PM
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In America there are more than enough homes to provide shelter for every person yet there are many that are still homeless.  I was in Los Angeles last week and parts of that place look like a 3rd world country with all the tent communities.
You are trying to see the third world from Los Angeles! Wrong direction. Consider staying few weeks in any of these countries...

1   Malawi   $250
2   Burundi   $270
3   Central African Republic   $320
4   Liberia   $370
5   Congo, Dem. Rep.   $380
6   Niger   $410
7   Madagascar   $440
8   Guinea   $470
9   Ethiopia   $550
10   Guinea-Bissau   $550
11   Togo   $570
12   Mozambique   $600
13   Mali   $650
14   Uganda   $670
15   Afghanistan   $680
16   Burkina Faso   $700
17   Rwanda   $700
18   Sierra Leone   $700
19   Nepal   $730
20   Comoros   $790
21   Haiti   $820
22   Zimbabwe   $840
23   Benin   $890
24   Tanzania   $920
25   South Sudan   $970

Countries With The Lowest Income In The World.

Those countires have lower costs of living,  its not comparable. 
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June 18, 2018, 07:41:48 PM
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A world where the top 3 publicly known richest people have more wealth then the ENTIRE bottom half of the world's population.

In America there are more than enough homes to provide shelter for every person yet there are many that are still homeless.  I was in Los Angeles last week and parts of that place look like a 3rd world country with all the tent communities.

People are so brainwashed they treat Elon Musk like a god yet he is part of the problem.  He is just another Capitalistic overload like Bezos.

Capitalism is destroying our lives.  Suicide rates and depression are higher than ever before. 

A truly advanced civilization would be so far removed from our current system.  We are able to produce more than enough for everyone but we do a absolutely terrible job of allocating resources. 

No one is self made.  Every single rich person gets rich off the work of others, the structure of society, or just people in general.

Yet every attempt at replacing capitalism with a "fair" system has ended in a catastrophe. I once lived in a country that had no unemployment, no homeless, no gay people, no illicit drugs, and very little crime. Paradise, right? No. Apparently greed is a huge motivator and once that is removed and replaced with a repressive regime that sends you to Siberia if you dare to doubt the fairness of the system, then all that's left is apathy, corruption, and alcohol.
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June 18, 2018, 08:59:57 PM
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A world where the top 3 publicly known richest people have more wealth then the ENTIRE bottom half of the world's population.

In America there are more than enough homes to provide shelter for every person yet there are many that are still homeless.  I was in Los Angeles last week and parts of that place look like a 3rd world country with all the tent communities.

People are so brainwashed they treat Elon Musk like a god yet he is part of the problem.  He is just another Capitalistic overload like Bezos.

Capitalism is destroying our lives.  Suicide rates and depression are higher than ever before. 

A truly advanced civilization would be so far removed from our current system.  We are able to produce more than enough for everyone but we do a absolutely terrible job of allocating resources. 

No one is self made.  Every single rich person gets rich off the work of others, the structure of society, or just people in general.

Yet every attempt at replacing capitalism with a "fair" system has ended in a catastrophe. I once lived in a country that had no unemployment, no homeless, no gay people, no illicit drugs, and very little crime. Paradise, right? No. Apparently greed is a huge motivator and once that is removed and replaced with a repressive regime that sends you to Siberia if you dare to doubt the fairness of the system, then all that's left is apathy, corruption, and alcohol.


I'm not calling for a complete socialist system but if we implemented things like universal basic income to help distribute the wealth better since the majority goes to the very top.

UBI needs to be seriously looked into now because of the advancement in robotics which will displace a lot of workers.
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June 18, 2018, 09:35:18 PM
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I'm not calling for a complete socialist system but if we implemented things like universal basic income to help distribute the wealth better since the majority goes to the very top.

UBI needs to be seriously looked into now because of the advancement in robotics which will displace a lot of workers.

AFAIK California is already spending or planning to spend $10-20k per homeless person to deal with this problem. But apparently throwing money at it is not working...

Likewise many other social issues are non-trivial.
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June 18, 2018, 09:42:47 PM
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I'm not calling for a complete socialist system but if we implemented things like universal basic income to help distribute the wealth better since the majority goes to the very top.

UBI needs to be seriously looked into now because of the advancement in robotics which will displace a lot of workers.

AFAIK California is already spending or planning to spend $10-20k per homeless person to deal with this problem. But apparently throwing money at it is not working...

Likewise many other social issues are non-trivial.

Most of that money gets eaten up with administrative costs and corruption.  It would be 100x better if they just gave a direct amount ot money each month to the homeless
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June 18, 2018, 10:05:55 PM
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Most of that money gets eaten up with administrative costs and corruption.  It would be 100x better if they just gave a direct amount ot money each month to the homeless

I like your idealism but no, it would not be 100x or even 2x better. Without solving some underlying issues (mental health, drug addiction, housing availability, etc) the money would do very little if anything at all.
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June 19, 2018, 08:34:53 AM
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Capitalism is destroying our lives.  Suicide rates and depression are higher than ever before. 


There is nothing wrong with capitalism, but you can't have capitalism without capital. For many years now, bankers have been stealing capital from governments and individuals, and replacing it with debt. Debt is slavery, and that is what the banking globalists are creating.
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June 19, 2018, 01:39:04 PM
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Capitalism is destroying our lives.  Suicide rates and depression are higher than ever before. 


There is nothing wrong with capitalism, but you can't have capitalism without capital. For many years now, bankers have been stealing capital from governments and individuals, and replacing it with debt. Debt is slavery, and that is what the banking globalists are creating.

Changing the whole system with bitcoin or whatever blockchain won't solve the problem either imo. The root of the problem are people, their greed and how they selfishly think.
Rather than change the system which is just a consequence, it would be better to change the way people think in a sensible manner, but it's pretty much a lost cause in many countries as the op pointed out.
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June 19, 2018, 06:59:43 PM
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A world where the top 3 publicly known richest people have more wealth then the ENTIRE bottom half of the world's population.
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Capitalism is destroying our lives.  Suicide rates and depression are higher than ever before. 


You are wrong for 2 reasons.

The first one is this:
You are trying to see the third world from Los Angeles! Wrong direction. Consider staying few weeks in any of these countries...

A few weeks may be not enough... but I suggest you try to read about some those poor countries problems. They have completely different causes of poverty, and a different kind of poverty. I believe poor people in Los Angeles have much more opportunities than poor people in Venezuela or Brazil, where even the mid class doesn't have much opportunities...


The second reason is that these 3 richest people on the world are a problem caused by the governments, not by capitalism.

I don't even know who these people are, but for sure they made lots of money through government subsides, or they have very little competition in their business due to regulations.
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June 19, 2018, 08:46:30 PM
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A world where the top 3 publicly known richest people have more wealth then the ENTIRE bottom half of the world's population.

In America there are more than enough homes to provide shelter for every person yet there are many that are still homeless.  I was in Los Angeles last week and parts of that place look like a 3rd world country with all the tent communities.

People are so brainwashed they treat Elon Musk like a god yet he is part of the problem.  He is just another Capitalistic overload like Bezos.

Capitalism is destroying our lives.  Suicide rates and depression are higher than ever before. 

A truly advanced civilization would be so far removed from our current system.  We are able to produce more than enough for everyone but we do a absolutely terrible job of allocating resources. 

No one is self made.  Every single rich person gets rich off the work of others, the structure of society, or just people in general.

Yet every attempt at replacing capitalism with a "fair" system has ended in a catastrophe. I once lived in a country that had no unemployment, no homeless, no gay people, no illicit drugs, and very little crime. Paradise, right? No. Apparently greed is a huge motivator and once that is removed and replaced with a repressive regime that sends you to Siberia if you dare to doubt the fairness of the system, then all that's left is apathy, corruption, and alcohol.


Norway.

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June 19, 2018, 09:32:25 PM
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Norway.

LOL, I was actually thinking to add this to my post "And before you bring up Norway - there are homeless people in Norway."  Grin

So yeah. Thanks for bringing it up. There are homeless people in Norway even though the government there is about as socialist as you can get without putting said homeless people on cattle trains to Siberia.

That's not to say that e.g. the US couldn't do more to solve its social issues, what with it being the richest country in the world and all. But I don't think capitalism in general is the problem here as the OP is trying to say.

BTW Norway's pension fund is the largest investment fund in the world so thanks to capitalism (and oil revenues) for the success of socialism in Norway.

https://www.nbim.no/en/the-fund/
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June 19, 2018, 10:21:55 PM
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A world where the top 3 publicly known richest people have more wealth then the ENTIRE bottom half of the world's population.

In America there are more than enough homes to provide shelter for every person yet there are many that are still homeless.  I was in Los Angeles last week and parts of that place look like a 3rd world country with all the tent communities.

People are so brainwashed they treat Elon Musk like a god yet he is part of the problem.  He is just another Capitalistic overload like Bezos.

Capitalism is destroying our lives.  Suicide rates and depression are higher than ever before. 

A truly advanced civilization would be so far removed from our current system.  We are able to produce more than enough for everyone but we do a absolutely terrible job of allocating resources. 

No one is self made.  Every single rich person gets rich off the work of others, the structure of society, or just people in general.

Yet every attempt at replacing capitalism with a "fair" system has ended in a catastrophe. I once lived in a country that had no unemployment, no homeless, no gay people, no illicit drugs, and very little crime. Paradise, right? No. Apparently greed is a huge motivator and once that is removed and replaced with a repressive regime that sends you to Siberia if you dare to doubt the fairness of the system, then all that's left is apathy, corruption, and alcohol.


Norway.




Could you guys please tell me about this situation in Norway?

Here I'm Brazil socialists always say they want to make a socialism like Norway's. We don't have much information about this country here. Where can I read about it?
I didn't knew about this Siberia trains
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June 20, 2018, 03:48:49 AM
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A world where the top 3 publicly known richest people have more wealth then the ENTIRE bottom half of the world's population.

In America there are more than enough homes to provide shelter for every person yet there are many that are still homeless.  I was in Los Angeles last week and parts of that place look like a 3rd world country with all the tent communities.

People are so brainwashed they treat Elon Musk like a god yet he is part of the problem.  He is just another Capitalistic overload like Bezos.

Capitalism is destroying our lives.  Suicide rates and depression are higher than ever before.  

A truly advanced civilization would be so far removed from our current system.  We are able to produce more than enough for everyone but we do a absolutely terrible job of allocating resources.  

No one is self made.  Every single rich person gets rich off the work of others, the structure of society, or just people in general.

Yet every attempt at replacing capitalism with a "fair" system has ended in a catastrophe. I once lived in a country that had no unemployment, no homeless, no gay people, no illicit drugs, and very little crime. Paradise, right? No. Apparently greed is a huge motivator and once that is removed and replaced with a repressive regime that sends you to Siberia if you dare to doubt the fairness of the system, then all that's left is apathy, corruption, and alcohol.


Norway.




Could you guys please tell me about this situation in Norway?

Here I'm Brazil socialists always say they want to make a socialism like Norway's. We don't have much information about this country here. Where can I read about it?
I didn't knew about this Siberia trains

They have a shitload of money coming from oil and most importantly they have social responsibility, so those money are actually used to improve the country.
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June 20, 2018, 05:20:58 PM
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Could you guys please tell me about this situation in Norway?

Here I'm Brazil socialists always say they want to make a socialism like Norway's. We don't have much information about this country here. Where can I read about it?
I didn't knew about this Siberia trains

Norway has universal healthcare, free education (even for foreign students), 37-hour average work week, and one of the most comprehensive welfare systems. I don't know if there is a single resource that can tell you everything about it, just google subjects you're interested in.

Siberian Gulags were labor camps where Josef Stalin, Russia's communist dictator, would relocate people who were not sufficiently enthusiastic about socialism. The preferred method of transportation for that journey was cattle trains.

Norway does NOT do that.
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June 21, 2018, 05:01:02 AM
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I would add that most of the countries in Europe have similar systems in matter of Health, Education and welfare. However the main differences are that Norway has a lot of resources and in general people are more socially responsible. This last aspect is more or less true for all the scandinavian countries.
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June 22, 2018, 09:38:31 PM
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There is no excuse to be homeless in the United States.

Poor people need to stop having children they cant afford.

Bums need to get off their ass, go to a community center, get cleaned up, and find a job.

Beggars need to be thrown off a cliff.
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June 25, 2018, 07:40:32 PM
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There is no excuse to be homeless in the United States.

The leading cause of bankruptcy in the US is medical bills. The US has a barbaric healthcare system that penalises someone for having the audacity to develop cancer or be involved in a serious accident.

Going bankrupt from something that is completely outwith your control is a pretty good excuse, I would say.
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