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June 20, 2018, 06:47:08 PM
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Let's say I send you 50 merits. What does that mean?

maybe that you finally want me to get a senior member  Wink  Kiss


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June 20, 2018, 07:08:50 PM
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I read this post in German. It was not translated by Google translator. You say bullshit.
Why do you not answer in the German section? Probably because everyone would see that your German is very weak by translating your answers via Google Translate…

Unfortunately, I have archived your article via archive.is so everyone  from the German forum can confirm, that it’s a very bad translation done with Google Translate. There are words no one would use them in German, like:
-   Total Token liefert
-   Yardcap
-   4 Jahre unverfallbar
-   Wir bauen eine benutzerfreundliche Krypto Austausch
-   …..
This is worst crap German and I’m not very surprised it’s already deleted by phantastisch.

Proof: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4415262.msg40308374#msg40308374
Archive: http://archive.is/GvdTw

That's the good thing having the new system I created: everyone can see your deleted ANN which was reported in my new topic using Google Translate translations (or similar) by having a look at the archived website. (archive.is)
It’s ridiculous to say, you have made the translation in a right way, anyone from the German forum can confirm it’s not honestly translated.
Why are you complaining? You have tried to cheat with a Google-Translate ANN, it was reported from me and phantastisch deleted it. What do you expect? It’s very shameful to cheat first, then fail your goal and now you think you are right because your ANN was deleted? That’s ridiculous, sorry!


I'll tell you more. In the German section there are much lower quality translations. I'm not a specialist in German.
Then, why you are using translation tools instead of posting in your language you are familiar with? By having a look at your posting history, you are from the Russian section (like OP). Why you are not posting your ANN in the Russian section?!


Anyway, Either way, it also seems suspicious your growth merit. You have 42 posts, but 92 merit.
Activity ≠ Number of posts

You accuse me of getting merit for no reason, even though you don’t have any Merit yourself? Sorry, I can't take you seriously.  


Merit is generally a stupid and absurd rule. It annoys me, too. But since it exists, I want people to get it honestly, and not through buying or negotiating with a moderator.
Dude, you really have no idea how the Merit system works. Only this one comment disqualifies yourself. Why should be Merit generally a stupid and absurd rule? Maybe for low quality posters and account cheaters…
If you understand the Merit System you won’t call it stupid or absurd.

Your posting history is a mixture of one-liners and bounty-reports, so I’m not surprised you received none yet. If you don’t change this and continue calling this system stupid there will be no chance to get Merit.
Don’t expect Merits for bounty-reports…

There have been countless guides how to earn Merit, from experienced Legendary Members and even from lower ranked Members trying to contribute something to the forum. Here the best ones:

theymos     Merit & new rank requirements              https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.0 (explanation of the new Merit system from theymos)
TMAN:       TMAN'S guide to getting merit.              https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3182178.0

Or if you are less familiar with English you may have a look at these infographics:

theyoungmillionaire    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3376729.msg35411537#msg35411537
sncc                       https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2974436.0 (there you’ll find links to more infographics, from different users)

If you do your own research you’ll find much more guides how to earn Merit, but the best one is to think for yourself and start creating meaningful posts instead of bounty-reports or one-liners.

Finally don’t say Merit is stupid or a absurd rule if you don’t have some. It seems to me you don’t understand the whole intention of this system…



OP, please have a look again, who gave me the Merits and for which posts! There is no merit abuse or are you jealous?

I think it's a hard accusation to say the German Mod or qwk (a legendary registered in 2011) are Merit abusers.

And regarding yourself: do we have tagged a google-translate spam of you? Fine! This is how the topic should work!


Nobody cares who they are an when are they registered. All of us are following forum rules here. You received 33 and 17 merits in one day (June 10) for a just a regular topic. There was nothing  special in that post. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4415262.msg39318850#msg39318850 And on June 14 you received 12 merits in the same topic within ONE MINUTE 10.42; 10.42; 10.43; 10.43; 10.43 https://imgur.com/a/k6B1cXW That actions are clear merit abuse and you must be red tagged for that. P.S I never participated in any translation company.
Yes, really? Please don't speak for all of us, it's only your opinion...

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June 20, 2018, 10:19:25 PM
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Let us wait for Default trust members. Only they can decide, if that was the merit abuse or not. A lot of people are trying to post something valuable, to get some merits and believe me, for a newbie and even a junior, it can take months if not years, to achieve just a full member status. And you suddenly are getting almost 70 merits for some posts in 2 page topic about translation spam? That is completely unfair and that's why I reported you (I never reported anyone before that) Anyway that was nothing personal and I wish you a good luck. Cheers.

Merely sending or receiving merits is not proof of anything. If you have actual proof that these accounts are alts or colluded in some way AND they send merits to each other - that might be something to look into.

Let's say I send you 50 merits. What does that mean?

Lets say you have a friend, who needs money and wants to participate in bounty or signature campaigns, but he does not have even a junior account here. You instruct him to open some kind of a bullshit thread and send him 50 merits because in your opinion it is very useful for the forum. But actually it is nothing special and only few people are posting there. There are hundreds of similar topics on this forum. After sending him 50 merits just for nothing, you will send him another 50 merits from your alt account (Only forum administrator can 100% confirm that you have an alt account registered from the same IP) Or if you do not have alt account, you ask one of your friends to give 50 merits to that account. After that the dude, who received 100 merits for just shitposting needs only to post arround 12 posts a week and soon he will became a full member. Full member can easily make 300-500 $ a month if he will work hard. Regarding this dude  1miau    JUST SHOW ME ANY NEWBIE ACCOUNT THAT RECEIVED 92 MERITS FOR 42 POSTS. Nobody ever got such statistic after introducing of the merit system. I agree with OP that this show was orchestrated in a very clever way. Because the merit sources are Legendary detonator DT2 member https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=24140  and the member of staff https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=18312. No DT2 member will tag them, because they can tag them back.... Only DT1 members can resolve that issue, but they never care about such things. The result = WE GOT A NEWBIE WITH 42 POSTS AND 92 MERITS. Congratulation to community. We are all truly decentralized here  Grin
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June 21, 2018, 12:14:58 AM
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Duck!!!

Seriously though, your babble proves nothing, just as sending or receiving merits proves nothing. If you have actual proof of misconduct by 1miau please share.

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June 21, 2018, 12:54:36 AM
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Oh, it seems to be a very explosive topic...  Cheesy
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June 21, 2018, 04:30:33 AM
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Legendary detonator

Duck!!!

Seriously though, your babble proves nothing, just as sending or receiving merits proves nothing. If you have actual proof of misconduct by 1miau please share.

Sorry suchmoon, but after reading the answer of yours, I start to understand why it is so difficult to communicate with a woman over 40. In my post, you read only one word that was misspelled by T9 of my phone. I just want to ask you once again. Could you please show us the profile of another newbie with 42 posts and 92 merits? That's all I am asking for. Thank you and best regards.
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June 21, 2018, 10:26:40 AM
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Why do you not answer in the German section? Probably because everyone would see that your German is very weak by translating your answers via Google Translate…

My German is weak. You did not discover America. I did not do that translation. I was asked to publish this translation by a person, because he has the lowest status on the forum and he does not display pictures


Unfortunately, I have archived your article via archive.is so everyone  from the German forum can confirm, that it’s a very bad translation done with Google Translate. There are words no one would use them in German, like:
-   Total Token liefert
-   Yardcap
-   4 Jahre unverfallbar
-   Wir bauen eine benutzerfreundliche Krypto Austausch
-   …..
This is worst crap German and I’m not very surprised it’s already deleted by phantastisch.

I know that the person who did this translation showed his work to a person for whom the German language is native. And this man approved his translation. Perhaps he had some terms that he did not translate as it is generally accepted. But I do not doubt that his translation was grammatically correct. Tell me, is the German language? Or did you learn German?[/quote]

The guy, if you think that the translation was not done correctly, help this person figure out what exactly he did wrong. I know this interpreter personally. I know that he does not use Google translator or something similar. Stop talking nonsense.

Once again I ask you. What is your native language?


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Then, why you are using translation tools instead of posting in your language you are familiar with? By having a look at your posting history, you are from the Russian section (like OP). Why you are not posting your ANN in the Russian section?!

I was asked to publish the translation, and I did it. Because the person who made the translation has a lower status on our forum. And in his posts are not visible pictures.


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You accuse me of getting merit for no reason, even though you don’t have any Merit yourself? Sorry, I can't take you seriously.

I have never seen a person who would receive so quickly and so many merits in an honest way. I have almost no doubt that you are involved in some kind of fraudulent scheme.


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Dude, you really have no idea how the Merit system works. Only this one comment disqualifies yourself. Why should be Merit generally a stupid and absurd rule? Maybe for low quality posters and account cheaters…
If you understand the Merit System you won’t call it stupid or absurd.

Listen to me. First of all, I'm a girl. Secondly, you and I did not baptize children. Address to me respectfully. Do not act like an offended teenager.


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If you do your own research you’ll find much more guides how to earn Merit, but the best one is to think for yourself and start creating meaningful posts instead of bounty-reports or one-liners.

You know, I would like, that I was mistaken. So in the end it turned out that you are an honest person. But I do not believe in it. I have never seen a man receive merits so much in an honest way

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June 21, 2018, 11:22:12 AM
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JUST SHOW ME ANY NEWBIE ACCOUNT THAT RECEIVED 92 MERITS FOR 42 POSTS
nullius comes to mind.

I would kill for that title.
Pwetty pwetty please, theymos, rename me my title to "Legendary Detonator"! Grin

I'll even pay you 100 merit for that Cool

P.S.: I don't actually have 100 merit to spend, so a Scammer tag would serve me right along with the title.

Yeah, well... I'm gonna go build my own blockchain, with blackjack and hookers. In fact, forget the blockchain!
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June 21, 2018, 11:35:48 AM
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Unfortunately, I have archived your article via archive.is so everyone  from the German forum can confirm, that it’s a very bad translation done with Google Translate. There are words no one would use them in German, like:
-   Total Token liefert
-   Yardcap
-   4 Jahre unverfallbar
-   Wir bauen eine benutzerfreundliche Krypto Austausch
-   …..
This is worst crap German and I’m not very surprised it’s already deleted by phantastisch.
I know that the person who did this translation showed his work to a person for whom the German language is native. And this man approved his translation.
I doubt that. No native German speaker would accept "unverfallbar" as anything but (possibly intentional) gibberish.
If I had to translate that back to English, it'd be something like "un-decay-lible". You get the idea?

The guy, if you think that the translation was not done correctly, help this person figure out what exactly he did wrong.
Why would we help some guy to make money with translations he's obviously not qualified to deliver himself?
In other words, why would we help a scammer?

I know this interpreter personally. I know that he does not use Google translator or something similar.
I actually believe you that he doesn't use google translator, google would never come up with such utter nonsense.
That doesn't make his posts actual German content, which is why it's correct to report it according to the rules of the forum.

Once again I ask you. What is your native language?
As far as I can tell, 1miau is either a native German speaker or very close.
My native language is Franconian, a dialect of German, but I speak High German well enough Cool

Yeah, well... I'm gonna go build my own blockchain, with blackjack and hookers. In fact, forget the blockchain!
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June 21, 2018, 12:56:10 PM
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I did not do that translation. I was asked to publish this translation by a person, because he has the lowest status on the forum and he does not display pictures
Ok, so finally if this was your last ANN in the German subforum we won't have any trouble in the future. I get your point here. Phantastisch decided to delete your ANN and if you accept it, that's it.  

I know that the person who did this translation showed his work to a person for whom the German language is native. And this man approved his translation. Perhaps he had some terms that he did not translate as it is generally accepted. But I do not doubt that his translation was grammatically correct. Tell me, is the German language? Or did you learn German?
I don't know how this person speaks German in real life, but it must be funny.

Once again I ask you. What is your native language?
German?  Cheesy

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I'll even pay you 100 merit for that Cool

Thank you. Just send me that promised 100 merits and I will send the half of it (The maximum allowed) to 1miau , because with help of yours and the mod of the German board, he is now the record holder in amount of merits received for shitposting.  

please, theymos, rename me to "Legendary Detonator"

You should ask Theymos for renaming you to  FUBAR
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I'll even pay you 100 merit for that Cool
Thank you. Just send me that promised 100 merits
I've sent you 1 merit for creativity in deliberate misunderstanding of my post. Nice try Wink

You should ask Theymos for renaming you to  FUBAR
Actually, I could just rename myself.
What I really want is the title "Legendary Detonator".

Yeah, well... I'm gonna go build my own blockchain, with blackjack and hookers. In fact, forget the blockchain!
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June 21, 2018, 01:25:24 PM
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Why would we help some guy to make money with translations he's obviously not qualified to deliver himself?
In other words, why would we help a scammer?

He's not a crook. this man is a professor at the university. I believe that he did the translation himself, and not through Google translator. I know this person personally. He asked me to help, and I helped.
Why did you decide that this man is a fraud? I do not know how things are in the German section. But I see a lot of poor-quality English translations. But no one complains about them

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I actually believe you that he doesn't use google translator, google would never come up with such utter nonsense.
That doesn't make his posts actual German content, which is why it's correct to report it according to the rules of the forum.

Explain, please. His mistakes in some specific terms? Or his whole translation of poor quality?

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As far as I can tell, 1miau is either a native German speaker or very close.
My native language is Franconian, a dialect of German, but I speak High German well enough Cool

Could you point out the mistakes that Curare made? It seemed to me that 1miau was very biased in his assessment of his translation.
But if you think that Curare's translation of poor quality, please indicate the mistakes he made. I'm ready to believe you.

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June 21, 2018, 01:34:48 PM
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Ok, so finally if this was your last ANN in the German subforum we won't have any trouble in the future. I get your point here. Phantastisch decided to delete your ANN and if you accept it, that's it.  

If he really has a low-quality translation, then I have no questions. But he tells me that his translation was checked by people for whom German is the mother tongue.
In addition, I am outraged by your assertion that Curare was preparing this text through Google translator. I know for sure that this is not so. I know this person and trust him.

In addition, I ask you to indicate the mistakes of Curare.
Believe me, I also do not want to be involved in the publication of low-quality translations. But while I do not see full-fledged criticism, it seems to me that in your assessment you are too biased.

Anyway, your unusual growth is very suspicious. It looks like you really just bought it. As I wrote above, I can not blame you for this. But I think this is really the case


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June 21, 2018, 01:37:16 PM
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I'll even pay you 100 merit for that Cool
Thank you. Just send me that promised 100 merits
I've sent you 1 merit for creativity in deliberate misunderstanding of my post. Nice try Wink

You should ask Theymos for renaming you to  FUBAR
Actually, I could just rename myself.
What I really want is the title "Legendary Detonator".

As I can see, I'm dealing here with some kind of old and clueless granny, who bought a donator (FUBAR)  status back in 2011 for $50 and now is posting some bullshit 24/7 on this scammy forum. I'm not planing spending my time answering your shitty posts. Now you can give all your merits to 1miau or to anyone else and continue posting whatever you like. You can even ask 1miau to fuck you for additional merits, because you got a problems with your personal life. I'm wishing you all the best and take care.  
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I'm not surprised that 1miau got a whole lot of merit. Good posts are hard to find. His posts are generally good quality posts.

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Legendary detonator

Duck!!!

Seriously though, your babble proves nothing, just as sending or receiving merits proves nothing. If you have actual proof of misconduct by 1miau please share.

Sorry suchmoon, but after reading the answer of yours, I start to understand why it is so difficult to communicate with a woman over 40. In my post, you read only one word that was misspelled by T9 of my phone. I just want to ask you once again. Could you please show us the profile of another newbie with 42 posts and 92 merits? That's all I am asking for. Thank you and best regards.

So your proof is the number of merits relative to the number of posts? What ratio is considered a crime in your opinion?

As to your mommy issues, I suggest that you don't communicate with a woman over 40, or any woman at all if you find that difficult.

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June 22, 2018, 02:03:35 PM
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My humble opinion, to solve this problem of over merit, just modify the merit voting taking away the possibility to decide how much merit to give to an user by the voter himself.

Permit to vote a merit to a user just with 1 point.

Simple and will avoid any abuse

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My humble opinion, to solve this problem of over merit, just modify the merit voting taking away the possibility to decide how much merit to give to an user by the voter himself.

Permit to vote a merit to a user just with 1 point.

Simple and will avoid any abuse

Then they would send 1 merit 50 times.

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My humble opinion, to solve this problem of over merit, just modify the merit voting taking away the possibility to decide how much merit to give to an user by the voter himself.

Permit to vote a merit to a user just with 1 point.

Simple and will avoid any abuse

Then they would send 1 merit 50 times.

No permit to send only one vote for post for user and will never happen

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