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February 06, 2014, 03:58:35 PM
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In December and January I paid a total of about $350,000 of forum funds to hire Slickage Studios, a software development firm. I plan to officially announce this on Monday. At the same time, the firm will start interfacing directly with the community to get ideas for the new forum. Not all ideas will be accepted, and the design will not be decided through voting, but the community's input will be seriously considered. Additionally, some people from the community will eventually be selected by me and others to participate in a development committee that will oversee the creation of the new software.

The estimated total time until SMF can be entirely replaced is 1 year, though pre-release versions of the new software will be available much earlier. In the meantime, I plan on continuing my (slow) development of our fork of SMF for at least ~9 months. I might upgrade to SMF 2.0 if this isn't too difficult. I hope that I will be able to enable avatar uploading and themes. I might hire someone to do a security audit, though perhaps the security bounties are sufficient. Despite past incidents (only one of which was actually due to a flaw in SMF), I feel OK about SMF's security while it's in the reduced-functionality state in which I have it in now.

I recently did a ton of accounting work (for tax calculation), so I can offer some statistics about the forum's finances up to 2013:
- Total income: 7731.42 BTC
- Income from donations: 3113.62 (58,546.99 USD at time of tx)
- Income from ads: 4617.80 (265,792.42 USD at time of tx)
- Total expenses: 929.09 BTC (+ 331.48 in 2014 so far)

As you can see, most of the forum's current wealth is from BTC value increases. USD income isn't so high.

I consider money that was donated to be earmarked for things like:
- Hosting expenses (currently zero)
- Server operation/development (such as a sysadmin, if one is ever hired)
- Legal expenses
- Software development
- Other things that are necessary for the forum itself to survive and thrive

I consider money obtained through ads to be unrestricted except that the money can't be taken as any kind of dividend. It must be used in reasonable non-profit ways. Currently, around 25% of monthly ad income is used to pay moderators. The forum's reserve of money is never used for this. In the future, I'm likely to use a large percentage of forum ad revenue and maybe even some unrestricted reserves to pay someone to work on Bitcoin Core full-time for a couple years. Donated money will never be used for this kind of thing -- that's only for operating the forum itself. (I probably would allow donators to move their donated funds into the unrestricted fund so that they can be used for things that are probably more useful.)

Who the fuck is Slickage Studios and why did he so easily part with that kind of monies without telling the community?
And a year? This is worse than BFL's "just two more weeks".
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February 06, 2014, 04:03:44 PM
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Interesting....
First there's bitching about nothing being done...
Now that there's something being done, there's continued bitching...

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February 06, 2014, 04:06:23 PM
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Interesting....
First there's bitching about nothing being done...
Now that there's something being done, there's continued bitching...

It doesn't need to be this complicated. Theymos seems to be making a bigger deal out of this than is necessary. He spends 2 years talking about it and then claims "it's coming" and now turns around and says "another year" after giving $350k to some random software development "company" who do not have a website.

There are plenty of good forum software packages out there (Theymos please take 5 minutes to have a look at FluxBB I know you would like it) and it shouldn't take 3 years and cost $350k to build one from scratch.
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February 06, 2014, 04:07:54 PM
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The big deal is that there's zero transparency on this issue
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February 06, 2014, 04:29:33 PM
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February 06, 2014, 04:58:53 PM
Last edit: February 06, 2014, 06:01:20 PM by escrow.ms
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Who knows if James wang is satoshi or slickage is his company.  Cheesy
Jk, Looks like it's real
http://hicapacity.org/page3/

You can find bitcoin, Nodejs and james wang on same page, they did some events in 2013
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February 06, 2014, 05:03:36 PM
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So this is how satoshi cashes out

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February 06, 2014, 05:03:45 PM
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I deep-searched the asian dude. He's a node.js guy
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Is the new forum software going to use javascript?

If one line of javascript appears on bitcointalk.org, me and my sockpuppets are leaving forever. That will be the sign that the forum has gone full-hipster.
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February 06, 2014, 05:06:43 PM
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I deep-searched the asian dude. He's a node.js guy
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Is the new forum software going to use javascript?

If one line of javascript appears on bitcointalk.org, me and my sockpuppets are leaving forever. That will be the sign that the forum has gone full-hipster.

That's server side bro
But I'm sure JavaScript will be used, it already is lol

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February 06, 2014, 05:09:58 PM
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That's server side bro
But I'm sure JavaScript will be used, it already is lol

What I meant was that javascript would be required for the website to function. I'm not whitelisting bitcointalk.org. Typically node.js requires javascript to run on the client as well as server, I think thats by design. My knowledge of it is limited. I hate javascript because it is evil.
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February 06, 2014, 05:19:08 PM
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That's server side bro
But I'm sure JavaScript will be used, it already is lol

What I meant was that javascript would be required for the website to function. I'm not whitelisting bitcointalk.org. Typically node.js requires javascript to run on the client as well as server, I think thats by design. My knowledge of it is limited. I hate javascript because it is evil.

Node is just a server it doesn't require client JavaScript ever. That's up to the developer. It doesn't magically change html all into JavaScript.

But yes I hate these new hipster languages.

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February 06, 2014, 05:27:28 PM
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Node is just a server it doesn't require client JavaScript ever. That's up to the developer. It doesn't magically change html all into JavaScript.

But yes I hate these new hipster languages.

I had a quick read. Yes your right it doesn't require client-side js. It essentially functions as any "real" "normal" webserver would without it and doesn't do all the "event-driven" stuff which kinda makes using it pointless.

But anyway, this is the way I see it.

Normal websites only have to worry about automated vulnerability scanners, weak admin passwords and common misconfigurations when it comes to security.

BitcoinTalk.org is in a different kind of situation. It is in the cross-fire of cyber-warfare. Plenty of malicious hackers use this website for nefarious and non-nefarious reasons. It is likely to be the target of 0day exploits. Anything that runs on BitcoinTalk.org needs to be battle-hardened. We should be running OLD software that is known to be highly secure and stable. 3 year old web servers are a definite no go. We should be using 30 year old web server software. Some hacker would be browsing the forums one day, accidentally break something some hipster wrote yesterday and then realize they've just found a 0day in node.js and decide to own the forum.
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February 06, 2014, 05:30:02 PM
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Stupid kids want a shiny forum

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February 06, 2014, 05:41:41 PM
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We should be running OLD software that is known to be highly secure and stable. 3 year old web servers are a definite no go. We should be using 30 year old web server software. Some hacker would be browsing the forums one day, accidentally break something some hipster wrote yesterday and then realize they've just found a 0day in node.js and decide to own the forum.

Vbulletin 3.8.7 PL3
It's super secure, this version never got hacked yet.

But Hell, current software is good too.
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February 06, 2014, 05:50:29 PM
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This would be good news actually. Honestly, nothing would get done if this had to be discussed endlessly in the community, hiring a professional studio may actually get it done.

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February 06, 2014, 06:03:23 PM
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350k holy shit, we only wanted a donation button for tips..

You should have wasted the money on a superbowl ad.

 
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February 06, 2014, 06:47:43 PM
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For $350K I can do the whole forum, and in less than a year. Also what happen to people that had to build the most of the forum software and show it to the community thread? Theymos we need answers and now.

Thank you leak, you did this community a service!

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February 06, 2014, 09:07:44 PM
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Satoshi claimed to be Japanese, this Wang guy is rather Chinese.

Might be TradeFortress again not Satoshi   Cheesy

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February 06, 2014, 09:14:42 PM
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We should be using 30 year old web server software.

Even Mosaic is only 21.

I remember when trolling was an art form and people put a lot of thought into it. Sad

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February 06, 2014, 10:27:26 PM
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Satoshi claimed to be Japanese, this Wang guy is rather Chinese.

Might be TradeFortress again not Satoshi   Cheesy

i would lol so hard if it was TF.

Then maybe theymos needs to cash out

Wtf kind of shit is this, building a software studio for one fucking forum

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February 06, 2014, 10:38:50 PM
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Satoshi claimed to be Japanese, this Wang guy is rather Chinese.

Might be TradeFortress again not Satoshi   Cheesy

i would lol so hard if it was TF.
That'd almost be worth it just for the historical level of ridiculousness. I'd fully support this progression of events.
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February 07, 2014, 08:17:17 PM
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Yay, the developer's a node.js guy. \o/

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February 07, 2014, 08:59:38 PM
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nobody picked up on his play on bangbus? wangbus?

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February 08, 2014, 12:06:42 AM
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Normal websites only have to worry about automated vulnerability scanners, weak admin passwords and common misconfigurations when it comes to security.

BitcoinTalk.org is in a different kind of situation. It is in the cross-fire of cyber-warfare. Plenty of malicious hackers use this website for nefarious and non-nefarious reasons. It is likely to be the target of 0day exploits. Anything that runs on BitcoinTalk.org needs to be battle-hardened. We should be running OLD software that is known to be highly secure and stable. 3 year old web servers are a definite no go. We should be using 30 year old web server software. Some hacker would be browsing the forums one day, accidentally break something some hipster wrote yesterday and then realize they've just found a 0day in node.js and decide to own the forum.
In our defence, Node.js is used by big companies like Wal-mart and PayPal, so we won't be alone when a vulnerability is found. Also, I'm sure that our Google-level security bounties will help persuade people against attacking us maliciously.

That being said, I wasn't party to the negotiations, so I have no idea what language the forum will be built in.

Wtf kind of shit is this, building a software studio for one fucking forum
Well, when you have a few million dollars just sitting around, you might as well. Seriously, we're making enough money that we can support a dedicated full-time development team indefinitely, if we wanted to.

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nobody picked up on his play on bangbus? wangbus?

This is the first thing that came into my mind.. Grin Grin

Wondering, if this is only a coincidence or has something to do with Matthew N. Wright's in the meantime deleted Reddit post (mirror).

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February 08, 2014, 02:31:02 PM
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For $350K I can do the whole forum, and in less than a year. Also what happen to people that had to build the most of the forum software and show it to the community thread? Theymos we need answers and now.

Thank you leak, you did this community a service!

For $350K Chinese programmers can build a whole forum in a week Cheesy

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February 08, 2014, 02:42:50 PM
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FFS people - not that I'm a long time member or anything, but $350,000 for forums? Is that a joke? Are we reinventing the wheel here, or just rediscovering electricity? You could freaking hire a team of MIT students for less to build a state of the art forum on new tech, meanwhile leveraging MIT and the international exposure that would bring. Better end product, and huge free advertising.

Instead you choose WangBus? I guess it's good to be friends with whomever runs these forums, but this is all I need to see as a user to never, ever donate even 1SAT to these forums. That's just a crazy (and irresponsible) use of funds. No one needs that kind of cash to build a forum - no matter what you plan to do with the forum. Everywhere you look, there are better solutions that have already been developed and work just fine.

Anyway - your party. I'm glad I didn't donate, because supporting another man's 'Wanger' just isn't my cup of tea. Of course, you're welcome to all the tea bagging and wangs you can fit in your mouth, or wherever else they're being put for that $350,000.

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I am sure many moderators and staff around here know me as a large pain in the ass, but for once I have to support Theymos on this. You expect him to run a secure forum for a multibillion dollar industry but spend not spend big bucks? As long he is not compromising on security or privacy I think this is a great idea and I hope it gets done ASAP. (PS please don't force us to use Google services for stuff like captcha etc, there are very few free places left where their tentacles don't reach)


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February 08, 2014, 05:08:31 PM
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You expect him to run a secure forum for a multibillion dollar industry but spend not spend big bucks?

This is A Bitcoin forum, not THE Bitcoin forum.


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You expect him to run a secure forum for a multibillion dollar industry but spend not spend big bucks?
This is A Bitcoin forum, not THE Bitcoin forum.
De facto, it is.

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February 08, 2014, 07:36:18 PM
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You expect him to run a secure forum for a multibillion dollar industry but spend not spend big bucks?
This is A Bitcoin forum, not THE Bitcoin forum.
De facto, it is.

Anytime a complaint arises, there's someone who emphasizes that this is just a forum, not the forum. See the access over tor thread for example.

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February 13, 2014, 03:51:54 AM
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Cmon man ask me anything on this forum pls. No need to do any hunting. What do you guys want to know?
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February 13, 2014, 03:54:21 AM
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Cmon man ask me anything on this forum pls. No need to do any hunting. What do you guys want to know?

See https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=455867.msg5112964#msg5112964
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February 13, 2014, 03:59:17 AM
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February 18, 2014, 05:08:43 AM
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This would be good news actually. Honestly, nothing would get done if this had to be discussed endlessly in the community, hiring a professional studio may actually get it done.

it is not a professional studio. they dont even have a website, or people who work for them.

that $350,000 is to help them start one so they can start on the project.

i just wonder how much this will end up costing and if we end up with anything.

What if the $350K was put in escrow via John K., paid out once the task is completed?

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February 18, 2014, 05:18:02 AM
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You expect him to run a secure forum for a multibillion dollar industry but spend not spend big bucks?

This is A Bitcoin forum, not THE Bitcoin forum.



that is true  Wink


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February 18, 2014, 05:34:47 AM
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This would be good news actually. Honestly, nothing would get done if this had to be discussed endlessly in the community, hiring a professional studio may actually get it done.

it is not a professional studio. they dont even have a website, or people who work for them.

that $350,000 is to help them start one so they can start on the project.

i just wonder how much this will end up costing and if we end up with anything.

What if the $350K was put in escrow via John K., paid out once the task is completed?

It is $1,000,000 plus now, but this "firm" is not able to do the work with out being able to hire staff and workers. I doubt they would trust that escrow anyway.

Why not! He vetted Matt Carson, the first ever double vetted person in all of BitcoinLand.

BTW, I just learnt that MNW deleted his Reddit post. Odd!

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February 18, 2014, 03:56:55 PM
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Why not! He vetted Matt Carson, the first ever double vetted person in all of BitcoinLand.

BTW, I just learnt that MNW deleted his Reddit post. Odd!

Who vetted Matt Carson and who is Matt Carson?
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February 18, 2014, 03:57:51 PM
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February 18, 2014, 04:16:50 PM
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wangbus is not a admin at this forum? but hes only doing external work and not part of this forum.

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February 18, 2014, 06:01:26 PM
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wangbus is not a admin at this forum? but hes only doing external work and not part of this forum.

He's staff now apparently. I'm sure it'll cause some confusion and complaints when people see a newbie on staff  Grin.

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February 18, 2014, 09:35:23 PM
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wangbus is not a admin at this forum? but hes only doing external work and not part of this forum.

He's staff now apparently. I'm sure it'll cause some confusion and complaints when people see a newbie on staff  Grin.

Hes was probably made a staff member so people would stop mistaking him as an imposter making a joke (myself included)

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