BOTTOM? list? the real bottomcaller

[El duderino_]

I'm just enjoying the ride. But I do enjoy the ride up more than the ride down

the ride up is more enjoyable, but the ride down is more thrilling.

absolute .... i prefer enjoyable BUT then again who doesn't..... gotta take it as it is, nothing to do about it

[El duderino_]

2120 pawel7777
2121 gentlemand
2255 vapourminer
2500 fabiorem
2873 7jaka7
2970 exstasie
3434 Tzupy
3650 jadenunderhill
3860 DeathAngel
3876 febo
3996 AlcoHoDL
4027 jojo69
4190 STT
4197 Spaceman_Spiff_Original
4350 Vasilije69
4700 Robin,Hood
4850 ssmc2
4925 criz2fer
4979 Dunkelheit667
4982 BillyBobZorton
4998 Last of the V8s
4999 Vin
5100 Nikola95
5134 LoyceV
5151 d_eddie
5248 iram1011
5264 LFC_Bitcoin
5420 mfort312
5454 supermine
5489 buwaytress
5592 ChinkyEyes
5780 JimboToronto      still in the lead
5824 Jet Cash
5878 talkbitcoin

after another sharp dive JIMBO still the bottom man ...... kind of curious if its gonna hold after all cause they are trying hard

[El duderino_]

maybe some volatile days ahead

keep strong jimbo see you on new years eve 

[El duderino_]

BEARS are not trying hard enough JIMBO............ are you actualy the real BTCBOTTOM-CALLER?

[WinslowIII]

If comparing to the 2013 pump, bottom in 2015 was under the prior pump past $200. Soooo, I'm thinking sub $1100 is possible. I'm more concerned with wtf is the use case of bitcoin seeing all these regulations moving in. Maybe the bottom will be zero.

[JayJuanGee]

If comparing to the 2013 pump, bottom in 2015 was under the prior pump past $200. Soooo, I'm thinking sub $1100 is possible. I'm more concerned with wtf is the use case of bitcoin seeing all these regulations moving in. Maybe the bottom will be zero.

Someone paying you to spread nonsense?

Of course, below $1,100 is possible, but how the fuck likely is it? 

Good luck waiting for that.

As far as "not having a use case", you better do a bit of research if you are so lame as to spread that nonsensical talking point that has almost no basis in reality, if you haven't realized bitcoin to be approaching its 10th anniversary with a price spread between zero and nearly $20k, and a current correction that has been bouncing betwen $5,774 and $11k for the past 8 months (concededly at the lower end of such channel for the past five month or so), but anyhow your stupid ass blanket statement of no use cases seems to be a trolling attempt rather than any attempt at any kind of meaningful bottom calling discussion.

[WinslowIII]

Mr Gee, what is bitcoin's use case in the current environment of kyc and crack downs on crypto exchanges? I'm all ears. And don't say some GD stupid bullshit about how it's a storage of value. Underneath my mattress is a better one. Fees are way to high and way to unstable to use as a currency. What. Is. The. Use. Case.

[JayJuanGee]

Mr Gee, what is bitcoin's use case in the current environment of kyc and crack downs on crypto exchanges? I'm all ears. And don't say some GD stupid bullshit about how it's a storage of value. Underneath my mattress is a better one. Fees are way to high and way to unstable to use as a currency. What. Is. The. Use. Case.

I have no obligation to answer your stupid-ass trolling interrogation that attempts to put some kind of burden on me to explain what bitcoin is to you, when you seem to not understand what value it has (especially when you are discounting store of value - that has a lot more to it than the fiat that you have under your mattress that are likely to depreciate in value in 100 years and be worth 1-2% of what they were worth when you put them there (if you are lucky).  

If you believe that there is no value in having control over your money and a system that challenges the (lack of) sound money of all governments (that might even start out with good intentions but turn into fiscally irresponsible dweebs when they realize that they can print more and more and more money), and a system that has never previously existed, then you seem to NOT understand what is going on in terms of bitcoin's hashing power or the challenge (or disruption potential) that bitcoin is contributing to the scheme of monetary possibilities (including giving gold, silver and other pms a definite run for their money in terms of portability, divisibility and the practicality of use and ultimate non-inflation of the BTC supply beyond the original algorithm parameters - absent some kind of overwhelming consensus to change it.. which would likely not come easily.).

Why the fuck are there so many computers mining bitcoin?, someone knows something about the value of bitcoin if they are investing that much into securing it, no?  Oh no.  You, WinslowIII, are the smartest person in the room, and you seem to understand some kind of meaningful veto-ing power threat to bitcoin (aka kyc.. .  or that exchanges closing or burdened out of existence would actually cause the death of bitcoin)   )

Your fees are too high proposition, or even any kind of claim that bitcoin processes transactions too slow are both non-substantiated talking points, and if you have proof about those claims, then the burden is on you.  So far, as far as I have been able to tell, bitcoin continues to have a considerable amount of transactions that go on the blockchain, and there are second layer solutions that are optional to folks to use too (even though they are still in relatively early testing stages).

It seems to me that you have the burden to establish your dumbass nonsenical proposition that bitcoin does not have any use cases, because I continue to see growth and development and the expansion of its seven network effects (look up network effects discussed by Trace Mayer if you want to learn more about that angle of bitcoin's ongoing growth).  

You don't have nothing, even though you spout off some dumbass conclusory interrogations that seem to presume the conclusions that you would like to believe to be true.. so in the end, if you don't believe bitcoin has any use case, then don't buy it and go out there and bet against it (by shorting, perhaps?).  Good luck.

Oh no, you are too desperate for shorting bitcoin, and you would rather spread FUD based on wild unsubstantiated assertion, amirite, newbie troll/shill?

[El duderino_]

SO this is what i like haha

starting with,
I have no obligation to answer your stupid-ass trolling interrogation that attempts to put some kind of burden on me to explain what bitcoin is to you

and then finish with a page of answering NICE 


and maybe BTC is 8000 end of the year , but i do not predict its possible 8k and lower is possible as well .... BUT i'm always going for the higher prices and if its not .... yeah then its  LIKE



and i will be



to then

HODL as always

[STT]

what is bitcoin's use case in the current environment of kyc and crack downs on crypto exchanges? I'm all ears. And don't say some GD stupid bullshit about how it's a storage of value. Underneath my mattress is a better one. Fees are way to high and way to unstable to use as a currency. What. Is. The. Use. Case.

The best use case is peer to peer globally and no I cannot as easily do this with any other system.   Fees could always be lower, I agree with efficiency being a driving force in many markets but its not especially a reason for being bearish right now.    Storing under a mattress will get your money eaten by mice, thats just an example of failure in FIAT that theres nowhere safer or better use to hold it.

KYC and exchanges are centralised websites and not directly relevant to the protocol which exists regardless of secondary uses like this.    If BTC leveraged up from those effects and they are reduced then I agree it will unwind to that extent but to presume all use of BTC is via one type of use would be simply incorrect.
The main case for BTC I think will always be by individuals and that is where the base use must be justified so that the rest of the economy and speculation that built upon that base case can then go forward and be successful or not.   I'm only going to be bullish on BTC so long as it serves the people, poor or rich in transferring and confirming value globally and easily.   Last I checked thats still a positive ongoing market for BTC.

Your argument is old really, we've heard these negatives  years ago even.    Its not that you are all wrong in naming negatives but its incorrect to assume this is an entire story for Bitcoin or even a deciding factor.    If nothing else then for every system of exchange, there is a set of positives and negatives that has to be weighed up vs the alternatives

[WinslowIII]

what is bitcoin's use case in the current environment of kyc and crack downs on crypto exchanges? I'm all ears. And don't say some GD stupid bullshit about how it's a storage of value. Underneath my mattress is a better one. Fees are way to high and way to unstable to use as a currency. What. Is. The. Use. Case.

The best use case is peer to peer globally and no I cannot as easily do this with any other system.   Fees could always be lower, I agree with efficiency being a driving force in many markets but its not especially a reason for being bearish right now.    Storing under a mattress will get your money eaten by mice, thats just an example of failure in FIAT that theres nowhere safer or better use to hold it.

KYC and exchanges are centralised websites and not directly relevant to the protocol which exists regardless of secondary uses like this.    If BTC leveraged up from those effects and they are reduced then I agree it will unwind to that extent but to presume all use of BTC is via one type of use would be simply incorrect.
The main case for BTC I think will always be by individuals and that is where the base use must be justified so that the rest of the economy and speculation that built upon that base case can then go forward and be successful or not.   I'm only going to be bullish on BTC so long as it serves the people, poor or rich in transferring and confirming value globally and easily.   Last I checked thats still a positive ongoing market for BTC.

Your argument is old really, we've heard these negatives  years ago even.    Its not that you are all wrong in naming negatives but its incorrect to assume this is an entire story for Bitcoin or even a deciding factor.    If nothing else then for every system of exchange, there is a set of positives and negatives that has to be weighed up vs the alternatives

Ok, so no businesses accept it and why would they since the tx fees are too high. The only peer to peer anonymous tx is with cash, bitcoin leaves a trail with every single thing you do with it. How many txs peer to peer globally take place? probably not enough to justify a 10th of the current mkt cap. The best use case was trading but that's becoming more and more difficult because exchanges are banning people and requiring tons of hoops to jump through to prove your identity. Using it to buy alts was a big one too that is becoming less and less of a use case since the altcoin market has no volatility anymore. I disagree my arguments are old, these are recent problems. Not sure this is going to bounce back this time, gotta be honest.

[altercreed]

Talking about bottom price, i think bitcoin can reach up to 7482 at the end of this month or midway through November. But no matter what the price bitcoin will have before this year ends, i am much open for possibilities of holding still my crypto assets (if it is low).

[pixie85]

If comparing to the 2013 pump, bottom in 2015 was under the prior pump past $200. Soooo, I'm thinking sub $1100 is possible. I'm more concerned with wtf is the use case of bitcoin seeing all these regulations moving in. Maybe the bottom will be zero.

Someone paying you to spread nonsense?

Of course, below $1,100 is possible, but how the fuck likely is it?  

Good luck waiting for that.

As far as "not having a use case", you better do a bit of research if you are so lame as to spread that nonsensical talking point that has almost no basis in reality, if you haven't realized bitcoin to be approaching its 10th anniversary with a price spread between zero and nearly $20k, and a current correction that has been bouncing betwen $5,774 and $11k for the past 8 months (concededly at the lower end of such channel for the past five month or so), but anyhow your stupid ass blanket statement of no use cases seems to be a trolling attempt rather than any attempt at any kind of meaningful bottom calling discussion.

People who are calling for $2000 bottom are crazy and those with $1000 predictions are nothing but trolls.
If you are really comparing bear markets a drop of over 80% from ATH is very rare. You almost never see it in healthy stocks only in those that are fundamentally flawed and on their way to ruin. $1000 would be a 95% loss. If we ever witness that it will literally be the end of it and a total exodus to another asset.

[JayJuanGee]

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I disagree my arguments are old, these are recent problems. Not sure this is going to bounce back this time, gotta be honest.

Yeah, you are so much smarter than bitcoiners, right?, and innovative with your "new" arguments, and your anticipation that BTC is not bouncing back this time.



Probably it would behoove you to attempt to go learn something about bitcoin.

Hopefully, for your own good, you are not a no coiner, and merely a paid shill that is smart enough to have a bit of bitcoin hedged against your nonsense proclamations.  Surely, it would be a good thing to buy some BTC in these times in order that you are not chasing after the train with your seeming nonsense misinformation about bitcoin (assuming that you really believe the crap that you are spouting out).

[JayJuanGee]

If comparing to the 2013 pump, bottom in 2015 was under the prior pump past $200. Soooo, I'm thinking sub $1100 is possible. I'm more concerned with wtf is the use case of bitcoin seeing all these regulations moving in. Maybe the bottom will be zero.

Someone paying you to spread nonsense?

Of course, below $1,100 is possible, but how the fuck likely is it?  

Good luck waiting for that.

As far as "not having a use case", you better do a bit of research if you are so lame as to spread that nonsensical talking point that has almost no basis in reality, if you haven't realized bitcoin to be approaching its 10th anniversary with a price spread between zero and nearly $20k, and a current correction that has been bouncing betwen $5,774 and $11k for the past 8 months (concededly at the lower end of such channel for the past five month or so), but anyhow your stupid ass blanket statement of no use cases seems to be a trolling attempt rather than any attempt at any kind of meaningful bottom calling discussion.

People who are calling for $2000 bottom are crazy and those with $1000 predictions are nothing but trolls.
If you are really comparing bear markets a drop of over 80% from ATH is very rare. You almost never see it in healthy stocks only in those that are fundamentally flawed and on their way to ruin. $1000 would be a 95% loss. If we ever witness that it will literally be the end of it and a total exodus to another asset.

$1000 would not be the end of bitcoin.

You have to look at both the rise up and the fall, and put the whole price movement in context.

Manipulators are going to manipulate as much as they can, and the higher the market cap and the more liquidation avenues, the more difficult it is to fiscally manipulate bitcoin so they definitely rely upon FUD spreading and various other means to both create negativism and also to attempt to push more and more low, if they can, in order to take advantage of momentum.

Don't get me wrong, from here it seems very difficult to get down to $1k, but it is not impossible or even the death of bitcoin, but surely that would be an extreme shaking out that just does not seem to be in the cards at this time... and even getting below mid-$5ks is proving to be quite a bit of a struggle, which lends some uncertainties about whether bears have enough ammunition or ability to erode buy support in the $6k arena and to shake confidence to get some folks to sell some of their bitcoins.... at a certain point, they just have to give up attempting to shake the tree, but surely when prices are within 10% striking distance they are not going to easily give up in their ongoing shaking attempts.

[exstasie]

Ok, so no businesses accept it and why would they since the tx fees are too high.

It's only after a currency becomes prevalent that merchants are pushed into accepting it (by consumers). Consumer spending isn't a very interesting use case anyway.

It's also not 2017 anymore......fees are quite cheap right now. Segwit adoption just hit 50% of transactions. I'm transacting with 1 sat/byte for the most part, no more than a couple pennies each.

The only peer to peer anonymous tx is with cash, bitcoin leaves a trail with every single thing you do with it. How many txs peer to peer globally take place? probably not enough to justify a 10th of the current mkt cap.

There were ~235K confirmed transactions in the last 24 hours. You tell me what that's worth, and why market cap is relevant.

[pawel7777]

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TRY HARDER!!!11!
Throw a pinch of "no intrinsic value" in the mix or something... You can do better than that.

2120 pawel7777
...

I still believe

[El duderino_]

2120 ? still believe ?

ATH i still believe .....

BUT

[El duderino_]

and THE BOTTOM of jimbo again secured for a while 

[MuffinMaster]

I see that there are many negative statements at the beginning of this thread. It's an irrational that we have negative thinking among the Bitcoin society. I do not understand why this is happening ?! Don't you see how much has changed over the last few years? There are no limits on the Bitcoin way - some regulation is enough and we are moving forward!

The price by the end of the year will be $8,000 !!!

Thank you!