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OP, your thread about this casino is turning into a mirror for your own activity now and less of an attack towards this casino's elegit wrong doings. It is derailing your effort to discredit the casino that you are targeting.  Undecided

Let the evidence speak for it self, if there are any truth behind it, because this is looking more like a personal vendetta and a collection of butthurt gamblers, that are acting out against a casino that might even be their competition.  Roll Eyes

If this casino is a scam, then evidence against them will pile up and they will cause their own demise. Your excessive efforts to take them down in this way, raise concerns and suspicion that this is not just a normal scam accusation.

We all know there are crazy competition between casinos and dirty tactics are used to discredit rivals, is this just one of those attacks or is this a genuine effort to highlight a legitimate scam site?

If you can prove that this is a legitimate effort to highlight a scam site, then I will commend you for your persistence.  Wink

He's financially incentivized to make claims against casino's whether or whether not there's wrong doings. He won't stop as long as he is producing revenue.

His process:
Step 1: Create a website w/ referral links to a few casino's w/ profitable referral programs, listing them as "good" casinos.
Step 2: Attempt to discredit any casino's that aren't within that list, providing a hyperlink to said website as "proof".
Step 3: Defend any casino's on that "good" list, and offer to lay claims against any of the "bad" casino's receiving a 30/70 split.
Step 4: Profit off referral traffic & any claim payouts that may be received.

He'll never stop unless there's personal accountability on his end, or until a ban is administered. He keeps his info private on purpose, and takes advantage of those who have actually had bad casino experiences. Take a look at his post history, and see the casino's he bashes/defends.

I'm all for casino accountability (and business accountability in general); but this is just a pure lack of integrity on his part for his own financial gain. He serves no purpose to this community, what-so-ever.

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August 18, 2018, 06:54:49 AM
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OP, your thread about this casino is turning into a mirror for your own activity now and less of an attack towards this casino's elegit wrong doings. It is derailing your effort to discredit the casino that you are targeting.  Undecided

Let the evidence speak for it self, if there are any truth behind it, because this is looking more like a personal vendetta and a collection of butthurt gamblers, that are acting out against a casino that might even be their competition.  Roll Eyes

If this casino is a scam, then evidence against them will pile up and they will cause their own demise. Your excessive efforts to take them down in this way, raise concerns and suspicion that this is not just a normal scam accusation.

We all know there are crazy competition between casinos and dirty tactics are used to discredit rivals, is this just one of those attacks or is this a genuine effort to highlight a legitimate scam site?

If you can prove that this is a legitimate effort to highlight a scam site, then I will commend you for your persistence.  Wink

He's financially incentivized to make claims against casino's whether or whether not there's wrong doings. He won't stop as long as he is producing revenue.

His process:
Step 1: Create a website w/ referral links to a few casino's w/ profitable referral programs, listing them as "good" casinos.
Step 2: Attempt to discredit any casino's that aren't within that list, providing a hyperlink to said website as "proof".
Step 3: Defend any casino's on that "good" list, and offer to lay claims against any of the "bad" casino's receiving a 30/70 split.
Step 4: Profit off referral traffic & any claim payouts that may be received.

He'll never stop unless there's personal accountability on his end, or until a ban is administered. He keeps his info private on purpose, and takes advantage of those who have actually had bad casino experiences. Take a look at his post history, and see the casino's he bashes/defends.

I'm all for casino accountability (and business accountability in general); but this is just a pure lack of integrity on his part for his own financial gain. He serves no purpose to this community, what-so-ever.

Ok, I did not dig that deep into his reason for doing this, but I see he has promoted some confirmed "scam" casinos, so that raise the red flag for me. Why would you want to continue doing this, if your ulterior motive for doing this, was exposed? <Or is he denying this?>

There are so many scammers on this forum, you do not know if the scammers are scamming the scammers now.  Roll Eyes

I am the kind of person that always try to be biased in situations like this, so I gave him the benefit of the doubt. It could also be that the scammers ganged up on him for some reason to silence his concerns. <Many strange things have happened on this forum, so I will not discount any foul play>  Huh

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August 18, 2018, 06:59:22 AM
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OP, your thread about this casino is turning into a mirror for your own activity now and less of an attack towards this casino's elegit wrong doings. It is derailing your effort to discredit the casino that you are targeting.  Undecided

Let the evidence speak for it self, if there are any truth behind it, because this is looking more like a personal vendetta and a collection of butthurt gamblers, that are acting out against a casino that might even be their competition.  Roll Eyes

If this casino is a scam, then evidence against them will pile up and they will cause their own demise. Your excessive efforts to take them down in this way, raise concerns and suspicion that this is not just a normal scam accusation.

We all know there are crazy competition between casinos and dirty tactics are used to discredit rivals, is this just one of those attacks or is this a genuine effort to highlight a legitimate scam site?

If you can prove that this is a legitimate effort to highlight a scam site, then I will commend you for your persistence.  Wink

He's financially incentivized to make claims against casino's whether or whether not there's wrong doings. He won't stop as long as he is producing revenue.

His process:
Step 1: Create a website w/ referral links to a few casino's w/ profitable referral programs, listing them as "good" casinos.
Step 2: Attempt to discredit any casino's that aren't within that list, providing a hyperlink to said website as "proof".
Step 3: Defend any casino's on that "good" list, and offer to lay claims against any of the "bad" casino's receiving a 30/70 split.
Step 4: Profit off referral traffic & any claim payouts that may be received.

He'll never stop unless there's personal accountability on his end, or until a ban is administered. He keeps his info private on purpose, and takes advantage of those who have actually had bad casino experiences. Take a look at his post history, and see the casino's he bashes/defends.

I'm all for casino accountability (and business accountability in general); but this is just a pure lack of integrity on his part for his own financial gain. He serves no purpose to this community, what-so-ever.

Ok, I did not dig that deep into his reason for doing this, but I see he has promoted some confirmed "scam" casinos, so that raise the red flag for me. Why would you want to continue doing this, if your ulterior motive for doing this, was exposed? <Or is he denying this?>

There are so many scammers on this forum, you do not know if the scammers are scamming the scammers now.  Roll Eyes

I am the kind of person that always try to be biased in situations like this, so I gave him the benefit of the doubt. It could also be that the scammers ganged up on him for some reason to silence his concerns. <Many strange things have happened on this forum, so I will not discount any foul play>  Huh

No no, don't get me wrong, I completely agree with you! I think if he does have a good agenda, he's going about it the wrong way (trust system abuse, slanderous accusations, etc).. and it's only causing harm to an industry that could actually benefit from some accountability.

With regards to why he continues doing this: money. He's financially incentivized to bash every casino who isn't on his "good" list, and try to promote his website as much as possible (through hyperlinks/backlinks).

To make money (as long as you have bad morals), it's a working approach. To maintain good public opinion, not so much.

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August 19, 2018, 04:10:40 AM
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OP, your thread about this casino is turning into a mirror for your own activity now and less of an attack towards this casino's elegit wrong doings. It is derailing your effort to discredit the casino that you are targeting.  Undecided
This thread was opened because bitcasino.io locked its uncensored thread and opened a new censored thread to mislead the gambling community and try to draw new victims in. Wink


Let the evidence speak for it self, if there are any truth behind it, because this is looking more like a personal vendetta and a collection of butthurt gamblers, that are acting out against a casino that might even be their competition.  Roll Eyes
If someone is not able to read https://game-protect.com/bitcasino-scam/ and https://game-protect.com/sportsbet-scam/ and https://game-protect.com/vegascasino-scam/ or is not able to understand its content, then it is his problem and not mine! Cheesy


If this casino is a scam, then evidence against them will pile up and they will cause their own demise. Your excessive efforts to take them down in this way, raise concerns and suspicion that this is not just a normal scam accusation.
The excessive efforts they are currently doing including 2 signature campaigns requires excessive effort to inform potential victims.


We all know there are crazy competition between casinos and dirty tactics are used to discredit rivals, is this just one of those attacks or is this a genuine effort to highlight a legitimate scam site?

If you can prove that this is a legitimate effort to highlight a scam site, then I will commend you for your persistence.  Wink
Game Protect persistently calls out only publicly proven scams! Publicly proven means that the proof of the scam is published and everyone can check it!

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August 19, 2018, 04:16:41 AM
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OP, your thread about this casino is turning into a mirror for your own activity now and less of an attack towards this casino's elegit wrong doings. It is derailing your effort to discredit the casino that you are targeting.  Undecided
This thread was opened because bitcasino.io locked its uncensored thread and opened a new censored thread to mislead the gambling community and try to draw new victims in. Wink


Let the evidence speak for it self, if there are any truth behind it, because this is looking more like a personal vendetta and a collection of butthurt gamblers, that are acting out against a casino that might even be their competition.  Roll Eyes
If someone is not able to read https://game-protect.com/bitcasino-scam/ and https://game-protect.com/sportsbet-scam/ and https://game-protect.com/vegascasino-scam/ or is not able to understand its content, then it is his problem and not mine! Cheesy


If this casino is a scam, then evidence against them will pile up and they will cause their own demise. Your excessive efforts to take them down in this way, raise concerns and suspicion that this is not just a normal scam accusation.
The excessive efforts they are currently doing including 2 signature campaigns requires excessive effort to inform potential victims.


We all know there are crazy competition between casinos and dirty tactics are used to discredit rivals, is this just one of those attacks or is this a genuine effort to highlight a legitimate scam site?

If you can prove that this is a legitimate effort to highlight a scam site, then I will commend you for your persistence.  Wink
Game Protect persistently calls out only publicly proven scams! Publicly proven means that the proof of the scam is published and everyone can check it!

Besides the fact you believe that's its unlicensed, and the peterpan issue (which has since been dealt with accordingly), were there any other problems that you are aware of?

Doesn't look good that the one client you apparently helped disputes you helping him.

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August 19, 2018, 04:46:51 AM
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Besides the fact you believe that's its unlicensed,
Where is it stated that Game Protect believes?


and the peterpan issue (which has since been dealt with accordingly), were there any other problems that you are aware of?
Yes.


Doesn't look good that the one client you apparently helped disputes you helping him.
peterpanbtcman claiming I did not help him even though all my help is still visible in the thread BITCASINO MADE ME WHOLE and he is obviously lying does not look good for me according to your separate fantasy dream world? Cheesy

Ok, but in the real world it does not look good for him! Wink

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August 19, 2018, 05:10:59 AM
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Besides the fact you believe that's its unlicensed,
Where is it stated that Game Protect believes?


and the peterpan issue (which has since been dealt with accordingly), were there any other problems that you are aware of?
Yes.


Doesn't look good that the one client you apparently helped disputes you helping him.
peterpanbtcman claiming I did not help him even though all my help is still visible in the thread BITCASINO MADE ME WHOLE and he is obviously lying does not look good for me according to your separate fantasy dream world? Cheesy

Ok, but in the real world it does not look good for him! Wink

Ok, you said Yes... what other issues? Please elaborate..

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August 19, 2018, 08:21:54 PM
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Besides the fact you believe that's its unlicensed,
Where is it stated that Game Protect believes?


and the peterpan issue (which has since been dealt with accordingly), were there any other problems that you are aware of?
Yes.


Doesn't look good that the one client you apparently helped disputes you helping him.
peterpanbtcman claiming I did not help him even though all my help is still visible in the thread BITCASINO MADE ME WHOLE and he is obviously lying does not look good for me according to your separate fantasy dream world? Cheesy

Ok, but in the real world it does not look good for him! Wink

Ok, you said Yes... what other issues? Please elaborate..
Step by step, first you have to answer some of my questions and show proof or your statements? Wink

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August 19, 2018, 08:34:02 PM
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Besides the fact you believe that's its unlicensed,
Where is it stated that Game Protect believes?


and the peterpan issue (which has since been dealt with accordingly), were there any other problems that you are aware of?
Yes.


Doesn't look good that the one client you apparently helped disputes you helping him.
peterpanbtcman claiming I did not help him even though all my help is still visible in the thread BITCASINO MADE ME WHOLE and he is obviously lying does not look good for me according to your separate fantasy dream world? Cheesy

Ok, but in the real world it does not look good for him! Wink

Ok, you said Yes... what other issues? Please elaborate..
Step by step, first you have to answer some of my questions and show proof or your statements? Wink

I have already answered all of your questions. You have failed to answer many of mine, just simply misdirecting, as you just did... I don't know what you want proof of from me? The only thing I have done is called you on your BS. That's it. I haven't made any astounding claims against you or other companies/individuals on this forum which haven't already been proven true.

You obviously just lied about that, there's no other publicly reported issues w/ SportsBet.io or BitCasino, otherwise you would be publicly providing that info in order to solidify your case against them. You know, you can just say "no" if there's nothing else. It would make you look a lot more honest.

If your answer was "yes", please elaborate, or don't say yes.

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August 19, 2018, 09:12:43 PM
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I have already answered all of your questions.
Ok, please show us where you answered these questions (based on real world rules)?

Step by step, first you have to answer some of my questions and show proof or your statements? Wink

peterpanbtcman claiming I did not help him even though all my help is still visible in the thread BITCASINO MADE ME WHOLE and he is obviously lying does not look good for me according to your separate fantasy dream world? Cheesy

Where is it stated that Game Protect believes?

Crypto currencies are a form of payment, ruled by a judge.
Where is the court judge?



What percentage of your claims have actually turned out to be true, just curious?
Make a list of my claims (with proof) and a list of false claims (with proof) and then we have the percentage? Smiley

Hint: Screenshots of nonsense without proof is not answered based on real world rules!

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August 19, 2018, 09:35:20 PM
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I have already answered all of your questions.
Ok, please show us where you answered these questions (based on real world rules)?

Step by step, first you have to answer some of my questions and show proof or your statements? Wink

peterpanbtcman claiming I did not help him even though all my help is still visible in the thread BITCASINO MADE ME WHOLE and he is obviously lying does not look good for me according to your separate fantasy dream world? Cheesy

Where is it stated that Game Protect believes?

Crypto currencies are a form of payment, ruled by a judge.
Where is the court judge?



What percentage of your claims have actually turned out to be true, just curious?
Make a list of my claims (with proof) and a list of false claims (with proof) and then we have the percentage? Smiley

Hint: Screenshots of nonsense without proof is not answered based on real world rules!

You've mentioned questions that I have already answered in previous responses (such as the judge location; which was posted by another user.)

You're re-asking these questions out of context, but nonetheless.

1. peterpanbtcman claiming I did not help him even though all my help is still visible in the thread BITCASINO MADE ME WHOLE and he is obviously lying does not look good for me according to your separate fantasy dream world?

Yes it doesn't look good. Whenever you have a past client disowning your help, it obviously doesn't look good on a company. If a past client of BitCasino/Sportsbet claims they scammed them, you instantly jump to their defence immediately. Yet when a client of your own claims you didn't help, you instantly bash them. Thats super convenient.

2. Where is it stated what Game Protect believes?

Through your posts & the text on your website?? Not really sure how to answer this, you state your beliefs pretty often.

3. Where is the Court Judge?

As previously answered in https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1535816.msg44158041#msg44158041
European High Court, It was ruled that BTC was to be treated as a currency, a form of legal tender.

I posted an answer to this here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4547702.msg44216194#msg44216194

4. One of many lies.

You've lied too many times, I'm pretty I'd hit some sort of character limit. I'm assuming you just lied about two posts ago when I asked if you are aware of any other issues w/ SportsBet OR BitCasino, you said yes but have failed to provide any proof/evidence of this. Upon re-asking 3 times, you keep misdirecting.

- You lied about Bitcoin not being a payment method (which you have explicitly stated it as such in the past)
- You lied about not having lawyers (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1535816.msg44158041#msg44158041)
- You suggested you don't make money off Game-Protect (https://imgur.com/JqoSGzF , https://bitcoin-millionaire.com/business-gameprotect/ Your quote: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1535816.msg43836603#msg43836603)

5. Make a list of my claims (with proof) and a list of false claims (with proof) and then we have the percentage?

See above. I was asking in quotes "What percentage of your claims have actually turned out to be true, just curious?".

As in, what percentage of the claims made on your website, have actually turned out to be true; as in you've received a settlement and the company has admitted guilt; or evidence otherwise suggests the company is without a doubt in the wrong.

If you make claims against companies/individuals, it's your responsibility to back those claims up evidence/facts; not myself or the rest of the BitcoinTalk community.

Now please, I've answered your questions. Respectfully, please answer mine.

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August 19, 2018, 10:01:15 PM
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You've mentioned questions that I have already answered in previous responses (such as the judge location; which was posted by another user.)

3. Where is the Court Judge?

As previously answered in https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1535816.msg44158041#msg44158041
European High Court, It was ruled that BTC was to be treated as a currency, a form of legal tender.

I posted an answer to this here: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/11948222/Bitcoin-is-tax-free-European-court-rules.html
I asked you for the court judge where it says that crypto currencies are a form of payment and as proof you post the link to an article where it says no tax when buying and selling Bitcoin???

I already informed you to answer my questions based on real world rules and not based on your separate fantasy dream world rules! Huh

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You've mentioned questions that I have already answered in previous responses (such as the judge location; which was posted by another user.)

3. Where is the Court Judge?

As previously answered in https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1535816.msg44158041#msg44158041
European High Court, It was ruled that BTC was to be treated as a currency, a form of legal tender.

I posted an answer to this here: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/11948222/Bitcoin-is-tax-free-European-court-rules.html
I asked you for the court judge where it says that crypto currencies are a form of payment and as proof you post the link to an article where it says no tax when buying and selling Bitcoin???

I already informed you to answer my questions based on real world rules and not based on your separate fantasy dream world rules! Huh

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Purchasing and selling Bitcoin must not incur the sales tax, the European Court of Justice said, declaring that Bitcoin transactions are similar in nature to those of other "currency, bank notes and coins used as legal tender".

Ruling that Bitcoin transactions were liable for sales tax would have been a significant blow, squeezing liquidity by making it much more expensive to buy and sell the virtual currency.

"The Court’s decision squarely places Bitcoin and similar digital currencies within the ambit of financial transactions," said Judith Rinearson, partner at law firm Bryan Cave. "It will make it easy for commerce to grow in this area."

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/ALL/?uri=CELEX%3A62014CJ0264
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According to the order for reference the ‘bitcoin’ virtual currency is used, principally, for payments made between private individuals via the internet and in certain online shops that accept the currency. The virtual currency does not have a single issuer and instead is created directly in a network by a special algorithm. The system for the ‘bitcoin’ virtual currency allows anonymous ownership and the transfer of ‘bitcoin’ amounts within the network by users who have ‘bitcoin’ addresses. A ‘bitcoin’ address may be compared to a bank account number.

I did answer them based on "real world rules"; and you still have yet to answer my question. You're simply avoiding the question at this point.
You said that there were other issues w/ SportsBet & BitCasino, please provide them...

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I did answer them based on "real world rules"; and you still have yet to answer my question. You're simply avoiding the question at this point.
You said that there were other issues w/ SportsBet & BitCasino, please provide them...
First you referred to the nonsense statement that crypto currencies are "a form of payment" as proof I am lying. Cheesy

Now you refer to the correct statement that crypto currencies are prinipally used for payments, but this does not make all crypto currency transfers automatically a payment and donations, gifts and capital transfers are no payment!

Definition payment: Compensation, discharge or performance of an obligation, or reimbursement, by giving over something that is of satisfactory value to its recipient, such as money.

A payment requires the obligation to pay. The obligation to pay for services or products delivered requires a legally binding agreement between the parties.

But as Game Protect does not make contracts, the required obligation to call something a payment does simply not exist and you are a blatant liar trying to mislead the bitcointalk gambling community with your baseless nonsense! Roll Eyes

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I did answer them based on "real world rules"; and you still have yet to answer my question. You're simply avoiding the question at this point.
You said that there were other issues w/ SportsBet & BitCasino, please provide them...
First you referred to the nonsense statement that crypto currencies are "a form of payment" as proof I am lying. Cheesy

Now you refer to the correct statement that crypto currencies are prinipally used for payments, but this does not make all crypto currency transfers automatically a payment and donations, gifts and capital transfers are no payment!

Definition payment: Compensation, discharge or performance of an obligation, or reimbursement, by giving over something that is of satisfactory value to its recipient, such as money.

A payment requires the obligation to pay. The obligation to pay for services or products delivered requires a legally binding agreement between the parties.

But as Game Protect does not make contracts, the required obligation to call something a payment does simply not exist and you are a blatant liar trying to mislead the bitcointalk gambling community with your baseless nonsense! Roll Eyes

I'm misleading, wow...

I didn't say that all bitcoin transactions are payments, I said Bitcoin is a form of payment; ie a payment method - to which you disputed.

My post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1535816.msg44153067#msg44153067
Your post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1535816.msg44156103#msg44156103
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Which is a form of payment.
I have noted that in your separate fantasy dream world crypto currencies are a form of payment.

I further can inform that in the real world the definition of whether or not something is a payment depends on the intention of the value transfer. Wink

That is what I'm suggesting you lied on. Just because you don't have a legal contract with someone, doesn't mean you don't accept payments upon completion of your work.
Plus, you've had this conversation w/ others before, so it's very obvious the community isn't on your side:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1535816.750;wap

Once again, you have failed to answer my question.

You said that there were other issues w/ SportsBet & BitCasino besides the two listed on your website, please provide evidence of such...

If you can't answer it on the next post, I'll assume you're lying about another event, and leave it at that. You've already pushed off/ignored the question more than a couple times.

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August 21, 2018, 01:06:03 AM
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Definition payment: Compensation, discharge or performance of an obligation, or reimbursement, by giving over something that is of satisfactory value to its recipient, such as money.

A payment requires the obligation to pay. The obligation to pay for services or products delivered requires a legally binding agreement between the parties.

But as Game Protect does not make contracts, the required obligation to call something a payment does simply not exist and you are a blatant liar trying to mislead the bitcointalk gambling community with your baseless nonsense! Roll Eyes


I'm misleading, wow...

I didn't say that all bitcoin transactions are payments, I said Bitcoin is a form of payment; ie a payment method - to which you disputed.

My post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1535816.msg44153067#msg44153067
Your post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1535816.msg44156103#msg44156103
Archive: http://archive.is/au1s4

Your quote:

Which is a form of payment.
I have noted that in your separate fantasy dream world crypto currencies are a form of payment.

I further can inform that in the real world the definition of whether or not something is a payment depends on the intention of the value transfer. Wink

That is what I'm suggesting you lied on. Just because you don't have a legal contract with someone, doesn't mean you don't accept payments upon completion of your work.
Wrong! If a legally binding agreement is part of a payment by laws and there is none, then there is no payment!

Despite of this, are you able to quote the laws where it says donations are payments?

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Are you suggesting that I am caught in something so many times, but you are not able to quote or show or proof it? Cheesy


Ref: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1535816.msg44158041#msg44158041

One of many lies.
Where?


Also, a claim w/o evidence can be dismissed.
Yes, and therefore I will dismiss all your claims without evidence! Cheesy

I literally posted a screenshot...
But I can not see it, because

1) Crypto currencies are not a form of payment.

2) We have lawyers and I have lawyers are two totally different things.

We = Game Protect has lawyers, but I personally have not.

For example, when I say we have $1 million, then it is possible that I have zero $, the second person has $ 300,000 and the third person has $700,000.

You see, even though I said we have $ 1 million, I fully said the truth even though I personally have $ zero.

Also, lying is intentionally saying the untruth! And with quoting random nonsense statements you can hardly prove lies! Wink

1)Cryptocurrencies are a form of payment in over 27 countries with a population of over 501 million people.
After closer research I found that in 2013 the G7 issued a statement that called cryptocurrency one of the "Internet-based payment services that allow third party funding from anonymous sources may face an increased risk of [money laundering/terrorist financing".

A payment based service that can be used for very bad things, but still a payment service => form of payment.

source : http://www.fatf-gafi.org/media/fatf/documents/recommendations/Guidance-RBA-NPPS.pdf

Meaning that in any of the following countries :

Canada
France
Germany
Italy
Japan
United Kingdom
United States
European Union (not a country but a political and economic union of 28 member states)

Cryptocurrency can be called a "form of payment/Internet-Based Payment services" and "form of payment" in court and they will say you're right.
The only case where it can be claimed it is not used as a form of payment is when it is contemplated that having cryptocurrency is an investment and not to be used for any transactions between persons or organisations other than the purchase and sale. Even in that case cryptocurrency will still be a form of payment by law, but just not used as one in those cases.
This ads the total amount of countries where bitcoin is a form of payment to 31, with a population of over 750.47 million and combined GBP of +-39% of world.
These are the only countries I have found so far but there are bound to be more.
Some countries that have made bitcoin illegal have put in their statements that bitcoin is an illegal form of payment, but their laws still call it a form of payment.
So claiming cryptocurrency is not a form of payment is if not incorrect extremely disputable.

Since you are unwilling to mention what country you live in (except that you have previously stated that the American Tax Act is not an applicable law to you (the federal tax act states donations are payments), meaning you do not live in the United States or any of the  unincorporated and organized territories of the United States).
You give yourself a way back out of anything you say, Since you can simply neglect any law that is mentioned.
When asked what countries laws are applicable to you, this was your answer.




A payment requires the obligation to pay. The obligation to pay for services or products delivered requires a legally binding agreement between the parties.

Incorrect, a legal binding agreement between parties can be made even when no contract is signed.

Example 1: You buy a beer in a bar. a legal binding agreement is made that you will eventually pay.
Example 2: You jump in a cab and say you want to go to the airport, a legal binding agreement is made that you will pay for the cab fare
Example 3: If a price in the shop says something is 1$ they are legally obligated to sell it to you at that price, even though no contract is signed.

In both cases 1&2 you do not have to be shown a price, they just have to be reasonable.



People can "ask for your assistance" which is a service or privilige if they "donate 5% of your claim in advance".


I further can inform that in the real world the definition of whether or not something is a payment depends on the intention of the value transfer. Wink


A donation is made with the intention to transfer value, otherwise it is not a donation, as you can read below summarised and in

"Donations are given without return consideration. This lack of return consideration means that, in common law, an agreement to make a donation is an "imperfect contract void for want of consideration." Only when the donation is actually made does it acquire legal status as a transfer or property."

Source :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donation
https://definitions.uslegal.com/d/donations/?puslf=gl+defi+Donations+Law&gclid=CIOfzcHpn6oCFSIRNAodYiod5A
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05117a.htm













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August 21, 2018, 11:42:40 PM
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Can't agree more micromen  Smiley

Well, according to his timezone, he might actually live in Timbukto; although I have a feeling he probably set that on purpose Wink

https://imgur.com/a/VXyCOvJ

(http://archive.is/XjmKk)

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August 21, 2018, 11:52:51 PM
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Can't agree more micromen  Smiley

Well, according to his timezone, he might actually live in Timbukto; although I have a feeling he probably set that on purpose Wink

https://imgur.com/a/VXyCOvJ

(http://archive.is/XjmKk)

Fair enough, Timbukto is possible.


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August 22, 2018, 12:07:09 AM
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@ micromen

Here is the definition for payment

Definition payment: Compensation, discharge or performance of an obligation, or reimbursement, by giving over something that is of satisfactory value to its recipient, such as money.

A payment requires the obligation to pay. The obligation to pay for services or products delivered requires a legally binding agreement between the parties.

But as Game Protect does not make contracts, the required obligation to call something a payment does simply not exist and you are a blatant liar trying to mislead the bitcointalk gambling community with your baseless nonsense! Roll Eyes

A payment requires the obligation to transfer something from A) to B).

If I have Bitcoin in my wallet and do not transfer them to someone else, then they are no payment and also no form of payment.

Even if I transfer Bitcoin to someone else accidentally or willingly as a gift or donation it is not a payment.

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