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February 08, 2014, 03:37:12 PM Last edit: February 21, 2014, 04:04:23 AM by iCoinTech |
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http://www.icointech.com/product1_en.phpIn the age of BTC 5th anniversary, the company iCoinTech specially designed the most mini-size and coolest miner: the iMiner.It has: Super mini body, and a USB flash disk appearance Fine designed aluminous shell with a twinkle light Extremely stable Beginner’s favorite, very easy to get started in BTC’s world Best souvenir for BTC 5th anniversary Limited edition, globally issued only 5,000 pieces Speed :300MH/s Power :2.5W in full speed, <20mW in idle mode Size :20mm x 60mm x 9mm Contact us if you would like to buy or sell our products. EMAIL: admin@icointech.com Now you can buy it on ebay or aliexpress.http://www.aliexpress.com/item/BTC-miner-BTC-38Gh-s-miner-BTC-mining-machine-BTC-USB-bitcoin-miner/1277786413.html http://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale?SearchText=iMiner&catId=&initiative_id=SB_20140220193257[/b] This is a evaluating report on CYBTC.COM, which is one of the most famous BTC website in China. http://www.cybtc.com/article-594-1.html
We are a techinical team in China, and we like make electronic products nice and smart. BTC is the most amazing invension in the world in this century. We think BTC miners should not be cumbersome and ugly.
This Apail, we will present our new miners with our second generation chips, which would be very nice and cute and with powerful hashrates.http://www.icointech.com/images/i1.jpghttp://www.icointech.com/images/i2.jpghttp://www.icointech.com/images/i6.jpghttp://www.icointech.com/images/i7.jpghttp://www.icointech.com/images/i9.jpg
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February 08, 2014, 08:48:58 PM |
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Sorry, but these are already outdated... no?
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February 08, 2014, 08:51:28 PM |
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Looks nice, what will be the price to buy one?
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February 08, 2014, 08:52:56 PM |
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Sorry, but these are already outdated... no?
They are smaller than the USB block erupts they have a better design no open chip board it would seem. I like the design.
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February 08, 2014, 08:53:17 PM |
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Looks like a good device for getting people into mining. What software is it compatible with?
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February 08, 2014, 09:00:53 PM |
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Looks like a good device for getting people into mining. What software is it compatible with?
300 MH will not get people into mining, will just create a bad opinion abt mining
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February 08, 2014, 09:01:19 PM |
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from the site
seems to be cgminer 3.1.1
300 Mh/s
99CNY
same driver as block eruptor
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February 09, 2014, 12:04:47 AM |
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300MH/s $16USD Break even 1 year 200 days (BTC @700US) with zero electric cost.
gonna have to pass on that one
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February 09, 2014, 12:28:50 AM |
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did you just put block raptors into a shell? ^^
they should have go with bitfury or bitmain chips...
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February 09, 2014, 04:23:24 AM |
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I got .000001 BTC that says this ends up being a shamble. About a year ago i ordered a bunch of custom 4 gig usb flash drives with our company logo on them and they looked exactly and i do mean 100% incidental to the "miner" in this picture. My apologies if i am wrong, i have not done any homework into the company itself, i am just making an observation based on past history.
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February 09, 2014, 05:25:19 AM |
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I got .000001 BTC that says this ends up being a shamble. About a year ago i ordered a bunch of custom 4 gig usb flash drives with our company logo on them and they looked exactly and i do mean 100% incidental to the "miner" in this picture. My apologies if i am wrong, i have not done any homework into the company itself, i am just making an observation based on past history.
Selling flash drives as miners It was only a matter of time i suppose.
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February 09, 2014, 02:35:49 PM |
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Selling flash drives as miners It was only a matter of time i suppose. at 300MH you wont notice a difference on your pool balance anyway )
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February 09, 2014, 02:40:04 PM |
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That 99 CNY price is per lb or per kg?
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February 09, 2014, 02:46:12 PM |
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February 09, 2014, 03:03:21 PM |
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Looks nice, what will be the price to buy one?
It's 99 CNY for single one. We also accept BTC.
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February 09, 2014, 03:15:32 PM |
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Selling these things for BTC is the ONLY way they'll ever make any BTC.
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February 12, 2014, 01:31:35 PM |
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What chip type is used in this? 'Self R&D Chips' would imply an in-house design, but is that an ASIC, an FPGA, a rebadged BE100?
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February 12, 2014, 02:40:20 PM |
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That 99 CNY price is per lb or per kg?
LOL:)
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February 12, 2014, 11:24:16 PM |
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I think its cute
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February 13, 2014, 05:00:52 PM |
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<----- Still thinks its a flash drive with a logo on it.
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February 13, 2014, 05:27:26 PM |
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At least we all know it isn't a scam.. I think scammers would up the ante just a touch...
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February 13, 2014, 05:28:57 PM |
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<----- Still thinks its a flash drive with a logo on it.
IDK....but cybtc.com did a review on them, and is selling them as well i think.
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February 13, 2014, 07:37:36 PM |
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Note that flash drive enclosures can easily be bought as empty shells, free to drop in whatever electronics you want.
I still wonder what's actually inside them, though. I'd crack one open if I had one, but since you have to order at least 100, I'll pass.
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February 13, 2014, 08:48:10 PM |
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I asked for pricing, and with the suggested DHL shipping the costs were rediculous.
0.03BTC per unit before shipping is too much. I would pay 0.05BTC for 2 if that included shipping simply due to thier novelty value and to see whats inside, but anything more than that is just throwing away money on something worthless
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February 13, 2014, 09:36:01 PM |
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Wasn't the pricing 99 Yuan? DHL shipping would be ridiculous, but at least it would arrive before the end of the quarter (china post is not exactly the fastest option)
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February 14, 2014, 05:06:11 AM |
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Wasn't the pricing 99 Yuan? DHL shipping would be ridiculous, but at least it would arrive before the end of the quarter (china post is not exactly the fastest option) you dont buy this for the hashrate. Its like buying a 1GB flash drive for your 10MP camera
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February 15, 2014, 08:03:12 AM |
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I think its cute It's now avaiable on ebay and aliexpress.
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February 15, 2014, 08:28:29 AM |
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<----- Still thinks its a flash drive with a logo on it.
Believe me, it's a BTC miner. We make it small and cute. Now you can buy it on ebay and aliexpress. Here is a evaluating report on CYBTC.COM: http://www.cybtc.com/article-594-1.html
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February 15, 2014, 02:34:46 PM |
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February 15, 2014, 02:41:38 PM |
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This is not a miner, it is a USB flash drive with a silk screened logo on it. There is not 1 single picture of an asic mining chip inside these things anywhere.
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February 15, 2014, 02:44:27 PM |
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This is not a miner, it is a USB flash drive with a silk screened logo on it. There is not 1 single picture of an asic mining chip inside these things anywhere.
he is selling it on ebay so if you buy on ebay you would be protected. My problem is the price . it is way too high
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February 16, 2014, 12:02:13 AM |
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I'm sure iCoinTech wouldn't mind cracking one open and posting a picture - but it wouldn't really prove much, and even videos can be faked.
( Not that I'd mind if they did post inside shots/video! )
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February 16, 2014, 04:35:58 AM |
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Its a 300Mh mini block erupter, who cares?!?!?!
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February 16, 2014, 05:16:10 AM |
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I'll tell you what. Sure is a pretty thing. If this is a scam, it sure is a good one. That said, I like these guys, foregoing any fuuing.
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February 17, 2014, 04:18:06 PM Last edit: February 17, 2014, 04:41:59 PM by iCoinTech |
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This is not a miner, it is a USB flash drive with a silk screened logo on it. There is not 1 single picture of an asic mining chip inside these things anywhere.
he is selling it on ebay so if you buy on ebay you would be protected. My problem is the price . it is way too high There are now more and more venders on ebay and aliexpress selling iMiner, and since there are more vendors, the price would be cheeper and they would provide some cheeper shipping ways.
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February 17, 2014, 04:36:45 PM |
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This is not a miner, it is a USB flash drive with a silk screened logo on it. There is not 1 single picture of an asic mining chip inside these things anywhere.
Many people don't think the BTC miner can be made so small. Haha, but we did it.
This is a evaluating report on CYBTC.COM, which is one of the most famous BTC website in China. http://www.cybtc.com/article-594-1.html
And the store of CYBTC.COM just begin to sell it today: http://www.cybtc.com/it618_scoremall-scoremall_page.html?pid=38
We are a techinical team in China, and we like make electronic products nice and smart. BTC is the most amazing invension in the world in this century. We think BTC miners should not be cumbersome and ugly.
This Apail, we will present our new miners with our second generation chips, which would be very nice and cute and with powerful hashrates.
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February 17, 2014, 04:57:31 PM |
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I asked for pricing, and with the suggested DHL shipping the costs were rediculous.
0.03BTC per unit before shipping is too much. I would pay 0.05BTC for 2 if that included shipping simply due to thier novelty value and to see whats inside, but anything more than that is just throwing away money on something worthless
We are glad you like iMiner. And we are sorry for the price, because the exchange rate between BTC and CNY changes a lot those days.
There are more and more vendors on aliexpress and ebay now. They would provide better and cheeper shipping ways. For example: http://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale?SearchText=iMiner&catId=0&initiative_id=SB_20140217085000
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February 17, 2014, 07:27:09 PM |
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Why spend money on design? put all money in performance, ROI is more important then design IF u sell these devices for 3 dollar then its a great deal
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February 17, 2014, 07:32:11 PM |
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Nice scam !!
I can also order them at any put youre logo on a usb stick website, same colors , same constant on colored light. but they just cost 1 usd for 8gb 8P
Go scam youre grandmas, maybee they believe it
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February 21, 2014, 03:58:09 AM |
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Nice scam !!
I can also order them at any put youre logo on a usb stick website, same colors , same constant on colored light. but they just cost 1 usd for 8gb 8P
Go scam youre grandmas, maybee they believe it
Be polite, gentlemen. Many people don't think the BTC miner can be made so small. Haha, but we did it. This is a evaluating report on CYBTC.COM, which is one of the most famous BTC website in China. http://www.cybtc.com/article-594-1.htmlNow, there are more and more people buying it and selling it on ebay and aliexpress. http://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale?SearchText=iMiner&catId=&initiative_id=SB_20140220193257http://www.aliexpress.com/item/BTC-miner-BTC-38Gh-s-miner-BTC-mining-machine-BTC-USB-bitcoin-miner/1277786413.htmlWe are a techinical team in China, and we like make electronic products nice and smart. BTC is the most amazing invension in the world in this century. We think BTC miners should not be cumbersome and ugly. This Apail, we will present our new miners with our second generation chips, which would be very nice and cute and with powerful hashrates.
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February 21, 2014, 04:07:05 AM |
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February 21, 2014, 05:00:44 AM |
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How is this thread still even open?
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February 21, 2014, 03:09:12 PM |
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February 21, 2014, 09:53:23 PM |
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You guys should update your name to "iConTech"
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March 01, 2014, 05:38:37 PM |
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Hate to say i told you all so, but...................... I TOLD YOU SO. I tried to warn you it was a USB flash drive.
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TheRealSteve
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March 01, 2014, 05:50:53 PM |
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Hate to say i told you all so, but...................... I TOLD YOU SO. I tried to warn you it was a USB flash drive.
Nope. Details to follow - heading out at the moment. Just thought I'd go ahead and say 'Nope' for now.
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March 01, 2014, 07:58:23 PM Last edit: March 06, 2014, 10:57:24 AM by TheRealSteve |
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Right, details then. Quick teardown of the iCointech iMinerProduct link: http://www.icointech.com/product1_en.phpA friend of mine ordered some (one of those BTC 'rich kids' who mined way back when) and threw one my way to dissect before he was going to plug them in, himself. I'm all set up for USB peripheral shenanigans, he is not. I have to admit that I was skeptical as well well. Who wouldn't be? It's a super tiny miner, supposedly, in a package not unlike that of a USB stick. Like these: http://www.dhgate.com/store/product/flash-drive-10pcs-lot-usb-2-0-cap-u-disk/139494557.htmlhttp://www.legitreviews.com/images/reviews/923/ocz_diesel.jpghttp://www.usbbook.com/productinfo.asp?id=325I did remark earlier in the thread that these are pretty standard husks that you could fill with whatever if you really wanted to: http://www.wholesale-usb-flash-drive.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=6&products_id=133Note that there are some slight variations, mostly in the cap and endcap, but also in whether there's any grooves and, if so, where (thin sides vs broad sides) I believe this is closer to what the iMiner's husk actually is: http://www.promo-wholesale.com/china/Hard-Drives/8/Sprite-1-Gb-USB-Flash-Drive-47848.htmI actually have a USB stick quite like it, and I took a comparison picture. PrecautionsMachine completely disconnected from the internet, running a sandboxed VM, all ready to go with a USB sniffer, network sniffer and procmon in case it turned out to be a USB stick with some executable on it. Turns out, all of that was unnecessary. The cgminer version pointed to is stock version 3.1.1, the batch file simply adds the parameters: --icarus-options 115200:1:1 --icarus-timing 3.3=120So we can already tell a little bit about what we could expect to find later, that along with the CP2102 drivers (note: there's newer available that add a cert for Windows 8.1 - the version number has not been updated by SI, though) at the very least suggests something other than a regular USB stick, which tend to have a controller+usb interface chip fully integrated together. Plugging it into the machine, nothing untoward appears to be happening. The usual banter back and forth getting USB details. It just registers as a virtual COM port - there's no custom Vendor ID or anything in here ( USB\VID_10C4&PID_EA60\0001 ). No flash drive, no HID trying to quickly take over the machine through simulating keypresses - nothing. All that happened externally was 4 blinks and then the LED remaining on. Benign, let's give 'rConsidering the device itself appeared to be benign, and cgminer was benign, I figured what the heck and powered it up on an easy-going pool (50BTC - yeah, I read all the reports - I don't usually mine at all and they were less hassle than eligius, this is not an endorsement). Lo and behold, the LED turned off, and shortly after, cgminer happily reported almost 300Mhash/s from the device. Along with, eventually, shares (short blink of the LED) and hardware errors (longer blink of the LED). Edit: After 10,000 Satoshi at 50BTC, stats: cgminer version 3.1.1 - Started: [2014-03-02 05:32:21] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- (5s):374.4M (avg):298.5Mh/s | A:6833 R:1 HW:147 U:2.0/m WU:4.1/m ST: 2 SS: 0 NB: 331 LW: 26777 GF: 283 RF: 1
/Edit So, it certainly appears to be legitimately a Bitcoin miner, albeit obviously one 'for fun' and not for ROI (like 95% of the devices available, right? right.) But what is inside it? What is inside?There are two types of these husks. One where a thin sheet metal is clamped around plastic, and one where the main body is a thick metal. Unfortunately, the iMiner uses the latter. I say unfortunately, but that's really a good thing as the metal acts as not just the main body, but also the heat sink. Still, it meant that getting into it was a lot more difficult. Removing the end cap just showed that the board was practically epoxied down with thermal goop (and possibly some thermal tape), so it certainly wasn't going to be sliding out the way it had slid in during assembly. Thankfully, it's just aluminum or some other soft metal like it, and a small hacksaw made short work of not being able to get at the innards. Once the innards were exposed, what became visible as the main components were: Silicon Labs CP2102 USB-UART Bridge used for communication between the USB host and whatever is inside the stick. A crystal at 8.380MHz. Could be 8MHz round, but some goop that won't budge (didn't want to touch it with rubbing alcohol just yet) is covering up the last digits.Alpha & Omega AO Z1038PI buck voltage regulator. Probably because the other chips don't want none of that USB 5V goodness. Silicon Labs C8051F330 microcontroller.. Probably to offload all the communication tasks. A big fat chip that gets really hot with the markings: QT20 / CA3755. That 'QT20' sounded familiar, but a friend of mine asked an FPGA guy and he wasn't sure (because it's probably an ASIC, duh). The other code on there - X1349 - is just a batch and date code (49th week of 2013), similar codes are present on the SI components while the AOZ1038 may have been produced in 2014. Nonetheless, given the parameters, this is probably an ASIC. Somebody will probably pop up and remind me why the 'QT20' sounds familiar. Mining awayAfter I took it apart, did it still work? Absolutely. With a little extra cooling from an otherwise completely useless 'laptop helper fan' (no, seriously, don't buy them for that - the physics say it doesn't work well, and reality agrees), it's mining away even as I write this. Full imagesFull images? Of course, full images! This post is long enough without a bunch of full size (even if proxied) inline images, so please enjoy them, along with descriptions, over at imgur: http://imgur.com/a/5wmv2#0Edit March 6th: And since I figured I'd better put it back together again, the tearup: Album: http://imgur.com/a/9Jc0X Scam or no scam?So now the question.. is it a scam or is it not a scam? If the definition of the scam were "it's just a USB flash drive", then no - it is not a scam. It certainly behaves like a miner, and the pool is accepting shares so as far as I can tell, it's not faking it either. If the definition of scam is "getting people to part with money they'll never see positive return on", then I'd say that's still a no. Mining hasn't been particularly profitable for most devices, let alone low power ones like these. While communication could be handled better (all these 'scam!' posts could have been prevented pretty easily by sending one to a trusted member, or at least posting more details), I think the 'scam!' battle cry should be reserved for those products/sales/companies that have been verified as scams, rather than just 'gut feeling'.
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^really nice review personally i had expected a gen-1 avalon or asicminer chip. This seems like a custom design ASIC. I say ASIC because an FPGA would not be capable of 300mhash <2.5w. (most FPGAs were 200-250mhash using 10-20W)
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hah, yeah I meant ASIC.. that's what I get for rushing. Who knows, it could still be one of the older chips relabeled.. would have to check if the apparent pinout resembles any of those (edit: doesn't look like it does); though even then it could just be 'modeled after'. It's definitely a tight little package though
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March 02, 2014, 06:51:03 AM |
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hah, yeah I meant ASIC.. that's what I get for rushing. Who knows, it could still be one of the older chips relabeled.. would have to check if the apparent pinout resembles any of those (edit: doesn't look like it does); though even then it could just be 'modeled after'. It's definitely a tight little package though the chip looks larger than an avalon or asicminer chip
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March 02, 2014, 07:32:52 AM |
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hah, yeah I meant ASIC.. that's what I get for rushing. Who knows, it could still be one of the older chips relabeled.. would have to check if the apparent pinout resembles any of those (edit: doesn't look like it does); though even then it could just be 'modeled after'. It's definitely a tight little package though the chip looks larger than an avalon or asicminer chip Probably. The physical package size is very slightly larger than 7.5mm on each side, and it's a 64-pin package. BE100 is 40 pin, Avalon 3256 and BitFury's are 48.
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TheRealSteve
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March 03, 2014, 06:29:26 AM |
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I got .000001 BTC that says this ends up being a shamble. Out of sheer curiosity.. willing to make good on that? 1MnrCEe1cn6w6SY26iFnFiWWDFFzAyQFNB (50BTC didn't accept several 1iMiner addresses) - you can add it to the satoshis that some day in the far far future will be paid out to it from the iMiner's progress Selling flash drives as miners It was only a matter of time i suppose. Well, it's a miner being sold in a flash drive package - slight distinction Nice scam !!
Alas, it's not a scam. ( I have to admit that part of me was hoping that it was, just so I could chuckle at my friend. ) How is this thread still even open? Why wouldn't it be? Heck, I'm actually looking forward to their next generation chip, especially if they make another release in a 'cute' package like this. Always nice to have additional players in the market Would have to be a fair bit cheaper to become give-away little things, though.
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TheRealSteve
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March 05, 2014, 02:00:16 PM |
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Interestingly enough, the price has come down. About $11/unit (excludes shipping) direct, or $71.25 per 3 off of aliexpress (there's cheaper there, but I don't know if they're on the up-and-up).
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iCoinTech (OP)
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March 12, 2014, 02:45:00 PM |
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Right, details then. Quick teardown of the iCointech iMinerhttps://i.imgur.com/AESuNr2s.jpgProduct link: http://www.icointech.com/product1_en.phpA friend of mine ordered some (one of those BTC 'rich kids' who mined way back when) and threw one my way to dissect before he was going to plug them in, himself. I'm all set up for USB peripheral shenanigans, he is not. I have to admit that I was skeptical as well well. Who wouldn't be? It's a super tiny miner, supposedly, in a package not unlike that of a USB stick. Like these: http://www.dhgate.com/store/product/flash-drive-10pcs-lot-usb-2-0-cap-u-disk/139494557.htmlhttp://www.legitreviews.com/images/reviews/923/ocz_diesel.jpghttp://www.usbbook.com/productinfo.asp?id=325I did remark earlier in the thread that these are pretty standard husks that you could fill with whatever if you really wanted to: http://www.wholesale-usb-flash-drive.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=6&products_id=133Note that there are some slight variations, mostly in the cap and endcap, but also in whether there's any grooves and, if so, where (thin sides vs broad sides) I believe this is closer to what the iMiner's husk actually is: http://www.promo-wholesale.com/china/Hard-Drives/8/Sprite-1-Gb-USB-Flash-Drive-47848.htmI actually have a USB stick quite like it, and I took a comparison picture. https://i.imgur.com/dnVxVjys.jpg PrecautionsMachine completely disconnected from the internet, running a sandboxed VM, all ready to go with a USB sniffer, network sniffer and procmon in case it turned out to be a USB stick with some executable on it. Turns out, all of that was unnecessary. The cgminer version pointed to is stock version 3.1.1, the batch file simply adds the parameters: --icarus-options 115200:1:1 --icarus-timing 3.3=120So we can already tell a little bit about what we could expect to find later, that along with the CP2102 drivers (note: there's newer available that add a cert for Windows 8.1 - the version number has not been updated by SI, though) at the very least suggests something other than a regular USB stick, which tend to have a controller+usb interface chip fully integrated together. Plugging it into the machine, nothing untoward appears to be happening. The usual banter back and forth getting USB details. It just registers as a virtual COM port - there's no custom Vendor ID or anything in here ( USB\VID_10C4&PID_EA60\0001 ). No flash drive, no HID trying to quickly take over the machine through simulating keypresses - nothing. All that happened externally was 4 blinks and then the LED remaining on. https://i.imgur.com/sJ78Ults.jpg Benign, let's give 'rConsidering the device itself appeared to be benign, and cgminer was benign, I figured what the heck and powered it up on an easy-going pool (50BTC - yeah, I read all the reports - I don't usually mine at all and they were less hassle than eligius, this is not an endorsement). Lo and behold, the LED turned off, and shortly after, cgminer happily reported almost 300Mhash/s from the device. Along with, eventually, shares (short blink of the LED) and hardware errors (longer blink of the LED). Edit: After 10,000 Satoshi at 50BTC, stats: cgminer version 3.1.1 - Started: [2014-03-02 05:32:21] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- (5s):374.4M (avg):298.5Mh/s | A:6833 R:1 HW:147 U:2.0/m WU:4.1/m ST: 2 SS: 0 NB: 331 LW: 26777 GF: 283 RF: 1
/Edit So, it certainly appears to be legitimately a Bitcoin miner, albeit obviously one 'for fun' and not for ROI (like 95% of the devices available, right? right.) But what is inside it? What is inside?There are two types of these husks. One where a thin sheet metal is clamped around plastic, and one where the main body is a thick metal. Unfortunately, the iMiner uses the latter. I say unfortunately, but that's really a good thing as the metal acts as not just the main body, but also the heat sink. Still, it meant that getting into it was a lot more difficult. Removing the end cap just showed that the board was practically epoxied down with thermal goop (and possibly some thermal tape), so it certainly wasn't going to be sliding out the way it had slid in during assembly. https://i.imgur.com/9m4s8Qrs.jpgThankfully, it's just aluminum or some other soft metal like it, and a small hacksaw made short work of not being able to get at the innards. https://i.imgur.com/x1rh2Rks.jpgOnce the innards were exposed, what became visible as the main components were: Silicon Labs CP2102 USB-UART Bridge used for communication between the USB host and whatever is inside the stick. A crystal at 8.380MHz. Could be 8MHz round, but some goop that won't budge (didn't want to touch it with rubbing alcohol just yet) is covering up the last digits.Alpha & Omega AO Z1038PI buck voltage regulator. Probably because the other chips don't want none of that USB 5V goodness. Silicon Labs C8051F330 microcontroller.. Probably to offload all the communication tasks. A big fat chip that gets really hot with the markings: QT20 / CA3755. That 'QT20' sounded familiar, but a friend of mine asked an FPGA guy and he wasn't sure (because it's probably an ASIC, duh). The other code on there - X1349 - is just a batch and date code (49th week of 2013), similar codes are present on the SI components while the AOZ1038 may have been produced in 2014. Nonetheless, given the parameters, this is probably an ASIC. Somebody will probably pop up and remind me why the 'QT20' sounds familiar. https://i.imgur.com/LRxDfkNs.jpg Mining awayAfter I took it apart, did it still work? Absolutely. With a little extra cooling from an otherwise completely useless 'laptop helper fan' (no, seriously, don't buy them for that - the physics say it doesn't work well, and reality agrees), it's mining away even as I write this. https://i.imgur.com/B0J18Mbs.jpg Full imagesFull images? Of course, full images! This post is long enough without a bunch of full size (even if proxied) inline images, so please enjoy them, along with descriptions, over at imgur: http://imgur.com/a/5wmv2#0Edit March 6th: And since I figured I'd better put it back together again, the tearup: https://i.imgur.com/0hsTbsns.jpg https://i.imgur.com/6CevgoOs.jpgAlbum: http://imgur.com/a/9Jc0X Scam or no scam?So now the question.. is it a scam or is it not a scam? If the definition of the scam were "it's just a USB flash drive", then no - it is not a scam. It certainly behaves like a miner, and the pool is accepting shares so as far as I can tell, it's not faking it either. If the definition of scam is "getting people to part with money they'll never see positive return on", then I'd say that's still a no. Mining hasn't been particularly profitable for most devices, let alone low power ones like these. While communication could be handled better (all these 'scam!' posts could have been prevented pretty easily by sending one to a trusted member, or at least posting more details), I think the 'scam!' battle cry should be reserved for those products/sales/companies that have been verified as scams, rather than just 'gut feeling'. Nice work. Thank you very much. Now people know that the iMiner is really the smallest BTC miner in the world. The QT20 is an ASIC chip designed by our company. In the age of BTC 5th anniversary, we made these small and nice BTC miner, wishing BTCers like it. Althrough there are more and more other coins nowadays, we believe BTC is the only worldwide accepted coin, and will be used as a currency by people just like USD some years later. The iMiner is small, nice and quite chip, and really good for BTC new beginners. More and more people are joining the BTC world starting from using an iMiner.
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TheRealSteve
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April 21, 2014, 04:43:50 PM |
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So we're 3 weeks into April - what's the news on the new chip (and potential new miners)? For the curious, that iMiner's still busily hashing away: cgminer version 3.1.1 - Started: [2014-03-13 21:58:41] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- (5s):110.1M (avg):298.3Mh/s | A:112812 R:172 HW:2453 U:2.0/m WU:4.1/m ST: 2 SS: 1 NB: 6541 LW: 447426 GF: 4623 RF: 10 Connected to pool.50btc.com diff 2 with stratum as user xxxxx@xxxxx.xxx Block: 000083bca2cfe921... Diff:6.98G Started: [18:36:53] Best share: 5.58M -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [P]ool management [S]ettings [D]isplay options [Q]uit ICA 0: | 293.4M/298.3Mh/s | A:112812 R:172 HW:2453 U:2.02/m --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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TheRealSteve
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July 03, 2014, 10:54:19 PM |
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Oops.. forgot to update this - new chip is supposedly still coming, but won't be in another iMiner type form-factor. Came here to post that the machine the iMiner was plugged into spontaneously reboot, so after lord knows how long: a whopping BTC0.00236264 mined with it But at least it was still running.
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