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September 25, 2011, 11:09:26 PM
Last edit: March 29, 2013, 02:43:22 AM by arsenische
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Hi!

I developed Anonymous Ads - advertising network that accepts bitcoins.

This service is quite unusual:
  • It is fully transparent, it doesn't collect any personal data, database backups are published daily.
  • It allows advertising on sites, blogs, forum posts or signatures (as I do: ), etc.
  • It uses unusual mechanism to distribute impressions: the probability of ad to be shown for particular publisher (affiliate) depends on historical profitability of that ad for that affiliate during last <billing cycle> days. Please see how it works for details.
  • It appends ad's link with bitcoin address to enable advertisers to pay for action (see goal tracking) to avoid paying for inefficient traffic.

The general idea is simple:

1. Advertisers pay to bootstrap their ads thus getting some (up to 10%) impressions from affiliates. This money goes to Anonymous Ads (currently 10% of them goes to affiliate that referred the advertiser and 50% goes to support affiliates that have their codes on listed sites).

2. Advertisers reward appropriate affiliates to get more (up to 90%) impressions from them (see details). This money are being redirected to affiliates' withdrawal addresses (when income hits the threshold of 0.011 btc) with a small fee of 0.001 btc.

So, advertisers post their ads, pay for bootstrapping to the system and later pay for successful visits to affiliates.

Affiliates register their withdrawal addresses, embed HTML codes into their sites and receive payments from advertisers. They also receive 10% from bootstrap payments of advertisers referred by them. And they also receive some support from Anonymous Ads if they add their sites to the list (see details).

Anonymous Ads is in alpha-stage yet, I will be grateful for any questions, comments and bug reports.

If you want to support Anonymous Ads - buy AA at glbse.

See also Anonymous Ads group at coinconnect.org.

2013-02-03 update: We are launching the second version of AnonymousAds. This thread is for questions from AA1 users.

2013-03-03 update: AnonymousAds v1 is closed. Please join AnonymousAds v2

2013-03-29 update: Thread locked in favor of AnonymousAds v2 thread

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September 25, 2011, 11:11:58 PM
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Wow very interesting.  I'll check it out.
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September 26, 2011, 12:05:13 AM
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looks great, but only text so far... do you plan to do a banner image version?


Thanks! If there is a need for graphic banners - I'll add support of them (shouldn't be too hard to do). But at the moment I think it would be wise to see if system works fine before adding new features to it Smiley

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Also, get a way for affiliates to say if they want adult ads or not, and for advertisers(or you) to mark ads as adult.

I would consider using your service, but i don't want to show XXX ads, no way!
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September 26, 2011, 12:42:05 AM
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Also, get a way for affiliates to say if they want adult ads or not, and for advertisers(or you) to mark ads as adult.

I would consider using your service, but i don't want to show XXX ads, no way!

Thanks for your feedback. This is a very important, but difficult issue. I understand that many people wouldn't like any XXX ads to be displayed on their sites (in some countries it could be even unlawful).

Frankly speaking I wanted to rely on spirit of freedom and free market (which would decrease the frequency of XXX ads on sites which are not visited by target groups). If people support the idea of pre-moderation... well.. I can implement it. Or is there any other efficient & reliable way to prevent adult (and other controversial) ads from being displayed?

Update: oh, I think I got it. There could be a special category for safe ads (which could be filled manually by me). Affiliates would have an option to show all ads (unmoderated), or to show ads from that category. I think it is feasible. Easy to implement. Will do it tomorrow.

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Also, get a way for affiliates to say if they want adult ads or not, and for advertisers(or you) to mark ads as adult.

I would consider using your service, but i don't want to show XXX ads, no way!

I've added a rough and simple mechanism to specify the level of affiliate's tolerance to evil via parameter "Filtration level". Set it to 100 if you own a web-site for innocent kids who live in the country with strict laws and censorship, or set it to 0 if you don't care and nothing is forbidden in your country Smiley

Ads are subjectively rated by me. New ads have default rating of 0. If ad's rating is lower than affiliate's filtration level then this ad won't be shown on that affiliate's sites.

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These Bootstrap sites are starting to look bland. Customize them, goddammit!
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These Bootstrap sites are starting to look bland. Customize them, goddammit!

Thanks for your feedback. You are right, it should be done.

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looks great, but only text so far... do you plan to do a banner image version?


I have implemented the image version of the text ad, which could be used in forum messages & signatures (and also in blogs).

At the moment there is no way to upload your banner, but I am going to implement it as well.

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Last edit: November 26, 2011, 08:55:27 AM by arsenische
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Anonymous Ads is in alpha stage, there are many things to be done and not so many affiliates yet.

And here is the first advertizer who risked real bitcoins to bootstrap his/her ads!

Thank you, anonymous advertizer of nice ptne.net, for helping to test the system! I am sorry for being a bit late to assign a positive rating to your ad, I've deposited the same amount to compensate that.

So, money depositing works, now need to test withdrawals. Tomorrow or the day after tomorrow I will be sending small fractions of btc to every affiliate who generates at least one unique impression of ad #12 by that time (according to internal site statistics, sorry for not having implemented a public one yet).

You don't even need to have a site to become an affiliate. Just follow the link, get the code and embed it to your blog or forum signature.

And here is the new feature: advertisers can upload images now!

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I've noticed that there are couple of ads (#11, #14) with broken links. The links are broken because they have been appended with bitcoin relay addresses. Even though there is a red warning during ad creation stage, people either don't notice or don't understand it. There is obviously a usability issue there, sorry for that. I plan to implement a simpler mechanism for advertisers who are not going to track referral bitcoin addresses.

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There are some new changes and features.

changes:

1. payments are now valid during the billing cycle of 30 days (in future I plan to allow specify it upon ad creation), that means the bootsrap period is not 24 hours any more
2. only unique clicks & impressions are counted (though it has been done long ago)

features:

1. there is some very basic stats at the ad page
2. advertisers can now pay for clicks, impressions, or just for being active during last <billing cycle = 30> days (though it is a less preferable than tracking successful visits yourself since it allows affiliates to cheat)

I will be testing the features using bitcoins deposited by advertisers earlier. So each active affiliate  (i. e. affiliate who shows Anonymous Ads) is likely to receive something, and that advertisers are likely to get more impressions Smiley

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I allowed myself to add "?partner=" to URLs of couple of ads so that they remain valid after the system appends it with bitcoin address. I don't want to do it all the time. Probably will need to make some mechanism of adding it automatically if advertiser forgets to.

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I like the no graphics page Smiley
Now if we can convince the bitcoin sportsbook sites to reg here and pay affiliates I can seed a thousand sports streaming sites with bet now ads
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I like the no graphics page Smiley
Now if we can convince the bitcoin sportsbook sites to reg here and pay affiliates I can seed a thousand sports streaming sites with bet now ads

Wow, great!

Btw, if you are a registered affiliate of Anonymous Ads and you invite advertiser with link
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http://anonymousads.com?partner=<affiliate's withdrawal address>
, and that advertiser creates an ad, then you get 10% of all money deposited to its deposit address lifetime.

This feature is somewhat hidden yet since it needs some additional work on testing, documenting and reporting, but seems to be working.

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I allowed myself to add "?partner=" to URLs of couple of ads so that they remain valid after the system appends it with bitcoin address. I don't want to do it all the time. Probably will need to make some mechanism of adding it automatically if advertiser forgets to.

Ok.. I've implemented this mechanism (not the ultimate solution, but works). Now ad can't be created until Anonymous Ads successfully fetches its link.

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I feel like I need more affiliates to test the system and to attract advertisers. That's why I am starting this little promotion:
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2012-01-25 promotion (one time-per-person offer):

Before I strikeout this text, please do the following:
1) get registered as affiliate at Anonysmous Ads
2) put provided BBCode into your forum signature (=start earning)
3) if you do not earn 0.01 btc for 48 hours - let me know, I will fix it

Optional: use your code on other forums, blogs, sites, emails - spread the word about bitcoin and monetize your content.



Would be thankful for your participation Smiley

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It seems images are disallowed in signatures?

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It seems images are disallowed in signatures?

Why do you think so? I have couple images in my signature...

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It seems images are disallowed in signatures?

Why do you think so? I have couple images in my signature...
They were "grandfathered in" - if you modify your sig, they will disappear. New images are not allowed.

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It seems images are disallowed in signatures?

Why do you think so? I have couple images in my signature...
They were "grandfathered in" - if you modify your sig, they will disappear. New images are not allowed.

Wow. Thanks, you are right. Just found a thread about it: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=51077.0

Ok.. If images are not allowed here, then just give me a link to some other forum, site or blog with embedded affiliate code (updated the original post).

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January 25, 2012, 10:25:57 PM
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Can affiliates use text-only links too, or is it required to display the image? For example: <a href='http://anonymousads.com/...'>Take a look</a>

How are withdrawals triggered? Will the affiliate receive a transaction as soon as the 0.011 are reached? Or once a day/week/month?

While I'm impressed by the openness of the system, a user interface would be nice. Affiliates could e.g. edit the filtration level without having to change every published ad. They also could trigger a payout manually.

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Thanks for your questions and feedback!

Can affiliates use text-only links too, or is it required to display the image? For example: <a href='http://anonymousads.com/...'>Take a look</a>

If we are talking about BBCode, then image is important: it shows the ad to the visitor and saves relay id in browser's cookie, thus allowing redirection to that particular ad. Without an image, a text link would redirect to random advertiser's site (this option is not supported though, is there any sense in it?).

If you are an affiliate with withdrawal address (for example) 1BSN83AePdukZaNZo2Avpm5qdHURfECnEo, then...

1. You can achieve somewhat similar effect using this code:

Code:
[url=http://anonymousads.com/a/1BSN83AePdukZaNZo2Avpm5qdHURfECnEo]Take a look at random ad connected to affiliate 1BSN83AePdukZaNZo2Avpm5qdHURfECnEo[/url]

2. You can use text link of undocumented Anonymous Ads referral system, for example:
Code:
[url=http://anonymousads.com?partner=1BSN83AePdukZaNZo2Avpm5qdHURfECnEo]Advertise with Anonymous Ads, and 10% of your deposits will go to affiliate 1BSN83AePdukZaNZo2Avpm5qdHURfECnEo[/url]

3. You can go to http://anonymousads.com/a/<affiliate's withdrawal address>, see the ad and copy link from it, would be something like that:
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[url=http://anonymousads.com/a/182/click]Btcrelay.com for affiliate 1BSN83AePdukZaNZo2Avpm5qdHURfECnEo

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How are withdrawals triggered? Will the affiliate receive a transaction as soon as the 0.011 are reached? Or once a day/week/month?

They are triggered automatically as soon as 0.011 is confirmed (or maybe with delay of several minutes). Though it can be changed in future to minimize or even remove withdrawal fees. Added hints to the affiliate's page.

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Affiliates could e.g. edit the filtration level without having to change every published ad. They also could trigger a payout manually.

It kinda contradicts idea of secure anonymous service with public database backups. Though maybe this idea is not as important as user experience.

Affiliates can register individual account for each site so that they can distinguish stats and set appropriate filtration levels. I think filtration level depends on site's target group, which doesn't change too often.

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If we are talking about BBCode, then image is important: it shows the ad to the visitor and saves relay id in browser's cookie, thus allowing redirection to that particular ad. Without an image, a text link would redirect to random advertiser's site (this option is not supported though, is there any sense in it?).
There are cases where images are not possible: you already noticed that the forum here doesn't allow images in signatures anymore. Also if you plan to add a link into your email signature, remote images are usually blocked.

They are triggered automatically as soon as 0.011 is confirmed (or maybe with delay of several minutes). Though it can be changed in future to minimize or even remove withdrawal fees. Added hints to the affiliate's page.
So if an affiliate with a big site joins, he would more or less constantly receive 0.01btc transactions?

It kinda contradicts idea of secure anonymous service with public database backups. Though maybe this idea is not as important as user experience.
The transparency sure is an interesting part of it. But I think you'll have to deal with users who would like to make changes to their account. It can still be anonymous though: just require users to sign up with a Bitcoin address plus a password which is stored as a salted SHA512. Publishing those checksums might still be risky though.

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There are cases where images are not possible: you already noticed that the forum here doesn't allow images in signatures anymore. Also if you plan to add a link into your email signature, remote images are usually blocked.

You are right, I am going to add simple text links.

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So if an affiliate with a big site joins, he would more or less constantly receive 0.01btc transactions?

Yes, this should be expected (but it depends on how much advertisers pay and how their payments appear in blocks). Is it good or bad? Smiley

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The transparency sure is an interesting part of it. But I think you'll have to deal with users who would like to make changes to their account. It can still be anonymous though: just require users to sign up with a Bitcoin address plus a password which is stored as a salted SHA512. Publishing those checksums might still be risky though.

This could be a solution. But here are some issues:
1) allowing to modify information is always a security risk
2) if users get used to control their accounts, then "password recovery" feature would be required... that means the system would have to store emails or other private data
3) some of the internal algorithms rely on the assumption that user data is constant.. so would need to rewrite it

So, it is an open question if it is worth of implementing..  Maybe should hide the database backups and allow to specify email & password, because it is convenient sometimes to change something or to have email notifications.

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Yes, this should be expected (but it depends on how much advertisers pay and how their payments appear in blocks). Is it good or bad? Smiley
Both. Good because you quickly get your payment. Bad because lots of small transactions make it harder to keep track. A solution would be to let users decide to use "auto payout" or "manual payout".

This could be a solution. But here are some issues:
1) allowing to modify information is always a security risk
2) if users get used to control their accounts, then "password recovery" feature would be required... that means the system would have to store emails or other private data
3) some of the internal algorithms rely on the assumption that user data is constant.. so would need to rewrite it

So, it is an open question if it is worth of implementing..  Maybe should hide the database backups and allow to specify email & password, because it is convenient sometimes to change something or to have email notifications.
1) Only allow modifying non-critical information, like the filter level but never the payout address/password. Let users trigger a payout. That way an account cannot be hijacked even if the password has leaked.
2) Password recovery is not an important requirement. Right now the system is designed so that you just make a new account anyway if you need to change something. If a user forgot the password, he can make a new account.

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Out of interest, I analyzed the data you provide. Is there any way to estimate the earnings for an affiliate?

For example, the users 52 and 9 both earned 0.00001090 BTC, but one has 9 clicks while the other one just needed one click.
The difference is even bigger between user 19 and 32: both earned almost the same, but user 19 needed 563 clicks vs only 2 for user 32. With the same BTC/click rate, user 19 would have made 0.77321294 BTC instead of just 0.00273585 BTC.

There's a giant spread (factor 6812.6) between minimum and maximum. So with the best click conversion, an affiliate could make 6812.6 times more than with the worst click conversion.

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ID Impres Clicks Earned BTC BTC/Click
 1 297831   3741 0.10873000 0.00002906
 2  10027     54 0.07410517 0.00137232
 3  76787    224 0.20017407 0.00089363
 4     17      9 0.00611797 0.00067977
 5      6      6 0.00381872 0.00063645
 6     37     12 0.02471977 0.00205998
 7      3      3 0.02090105 0.00696702
 8      8      4 0.00090105 0.00022526
 9      8      9 0.00001090 0.00000121
10   1003     31 0.06168051 0.00198969
11      5      4 0.00180210 0.00045053
12      3      5 0.00090105 0.00018021
13    223     15 0.06473561 0.00431571
15    735     13 0.00562082 0.00043237
16     18      6 0.00090105 0.00015018
17    798     26 0.04599130 0.00176890
18  10016     22 0.12127520 0.00551251
19    883    563 0.00273585 0.00000486
20      5      6 0.00118898 0.00019816
21     13     12 0.00476338 0.00039695
22    407     19 0.02230186 0.00117378
23      6      4 0.00184572 0.00046143
24     35      3 0.00750279 0.00250093
25      2      1 0.00091195 0.00091195
26    155      6 0.01213538 0.00202256
28    652      8 0.01964711 0.00245589
29      1      1 0.00172349 0.00172349
30   1538     10 0.08243245 0.00824324
31      5      1 0.00361510 0.00361510
32      7      2 0.00274676 0.00137338
33      2      1 0.00091195 0.00091195
35    266      7 0.01346220 0.00192317
36     60     13 0.00772088 0.00059391
37   1227     22 0.02582616 0.00117392
41      4      4 0.00181301 0.00045325
42      1      1 0.00090105 0.00090105
44     60      1 0.00594058 0.00594058
46      3      1 0.00092286 0.00092286
47    200      6 0.00198445 0.00033074
48    115      3 0.00110122 0.00036707
49    106      1 0.00109034 0.00109034
50     61     40 0.00061059 0.00001526
51      4      4 0.00004360 0.00001090
52      1      1 0.00001090 0.00001090

Minimum/Click: 0.00000121 BTC (User 9)
Maximum/Click: 0.00824324 BTC (User 30)
Total earned:  0.96827695 BTC
Total clicks:  4925
Total impres:  403344
Avg BTC/Click: 0.00019660

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February 03, 2012, 12:57:18 PM
Last edit: February 03, 2012, 01:25:34 PM by arsenische
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Out of interest, I analyzed the data you provide. Is there any way to estimate the earnings for an affiliate?
...
The difference is even bigger between user 19 and 32: both earned almost the same, but user 19 needed 563 clicks vs only 2 for user 32.

Thanks for the question. It seems that many affiliates and advertisers don't understand the main principle behind the service.

Affiliates' earnings is just what advertisers pay to them (+10% of advertiser's deposits, if that advertiser was attracted by affiliate). There is no reliable & accurate way to estimate earnings in advance. Probably it should be comparable to the revenue generated by showing ads of any other advertising network.

There is no any specific price per click or per impression. Affiliates are anonymous and we can't really rely on clicks and impressions because they could have been generated by botnets.

That is why ads' links are being appended with bitcoin address: it enables advertisers to evaluate visits and to pay to affiliates that brought successful visits to them.

Advertisers have incentive to do so because:
1. more they pay to specific affiliates - more chances their ads have to be shown for that affiliates, more impressions from that affiliates they get.
2. it is cheaper than just depositing to deposit address, because 90% of impressions are distributed according to amounts paid to affiliates, and only 10% of impressions - according to the bootstrap score.
3. in the long run it increases efficiency of advertising campaign: ads have more chances to be shown on sites that work best for them.

Though there is not that much traffic yet to observe #3, and all this needs testing. That's why I was sending small amounts to everybody to encourage more affiliates to join Anonymous Ads, and that probably answers your question Smiley


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If I see the ad above placed by the The Lucky Coin Casino by Anonymous Ads, which part of this anonymous don't I understand? I took the liberty to click several ads and, once I was on those sites, I was able to tell who placed the ads, unless there's a Supper PAC somewhere paying for the ads, I'm pretty sure that the sites I arrived at were linked by their owner's paid ads.

My question is in way to dis this service. Help me get my head out of my ass on issue.

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If I see the ad above placed by the The Lucky Coin Casino by Anonymous Ads, which part of this anonymous don't I understand? I took the liberty to click several ads and, once I was on those sites, I was able to tell who placed the ads, unless there's a Supper PAC somewhere paying for the ads, I'm pretty sure that the sites I arrived at were linked by their owner's paid ads.

My question is in way to dis this service. Help me get my head out of my ass on issue.

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The service is anonymous in sense that it doesn't collect any personal data about advertisers and affiliates.

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That is why ads' links are being appended with bitcoin address: it enables advertisers to evaluate visits and to pay to affiliates that brought successful visits to them.
Just to be sure: an advertiser can also decide not to pay the traffic he receives, correct? I'm aware that this seems to decrease the chances of his ads to be shown, but it would still work with new affiliates; or he could just create another advertiser account if the old one has been burned.

If I see the ad above placed by the The Lucky Coin Casino by Anonymous Ads, which part of this anonymous don't I understand? I took the liberty to click several ads and, once I was on those sites, I was able to tell who placed the ads, unless there's a Supper PAC somewhere paying for the ads, I'm pretty sure that the sites I arrived at were linked by their owner's paid ads.
You see the target. It's unknown who pays for these ads; although it's pretty sure the guy running the site pays, it still could be someone else. For example, you promise webmaster W to deliver X hits for a payment of Y. You place the ad to W on anonymousads and pay Z for the traffic until X is reached. Then Y-Z is what you earn from this. The affiliate is somewhat obvious though. It's usually the guy running the website showing the ads, or the poster who has the ads in his signature.

I'd say it's not truly anonymous. More semi-anonymous, just like Bitcoin itself.

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Just to be sure: an advertiser can also decide not to pay the traffic he receives, correct? I'm aware that this seems to decrease the chances of his ads to be shown, but it would still work with new affiliates; or he could just create another advertiser account if the old one has been burned.

Well.. That's why advertisers have to send money to deposit address to increase their bootstrap score and to get connected to affiliates. There is no free views for advertisers unless there is a bug in software Smiley

Advertisers may decide to pay only to deposit address and not to pay to affiliates. But it will be just about 9 times more expensive for them (since they will compete for 10% of views, while the other 90% of views will be distributed among advertisers that pay to affiliates).

I'd say it's not truly anonymous. More semi-anonymous, just like Bitcoin itself.

Yes, that's true.. Just need to realize that if your personal info is linked to forum account, or to your site, or to your blog.. then if you publish anything - it is not anonymous Smiley

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@Arsenische any chance of banner adds and 160x600 wide sky scraper ads?  I currently advertise for Google AdSence on my blog http://glbse.blogspot.com/ but would prefer to advertise mainly BitCoin products.

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@Arsenische any chance of banner adds and 160x600 wide sky scraper ads?  I currently advertise for Google AdSence on my blog http://glbse.blogspot.com/ but would prefer to advertise mainly BitCoin products.

Need to think it out. I want to give more flexibility here. Right now there is no much options to customize ads. Advertisers have an option to upload image, and affiliates have an option to use iframe or image ad version. If they use iframe, then text ad will be shown, otherwise - graphic version (graphic text or image). The only adjustable thing for affiliate is the size of the ad box. You can set style="width:160px;height:600px;". Though it wouldn't look very good... Especially for image versions.

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@Arsenische any chance of banner adds and 160x600 wide sky scraper ads?  I currently advertise for Google AdSence on my blog http://glbse.blogspot.com/ but would prefer to advertise mainly BitCoin products.

Need to think it out. I want to give more flexibility here. Right now there is no much options to customize ads. Advertisers have an option to upload image, and affiliates have an option to use iframe or image ad version. If they use iframe, then text ad will be shown, otherwise - graphic version (graphic text or image). The only adjustable thing for affiliate is the size of the ad box. You can set style="width:160px;height:600px;". Though it wouldn't look very good... Especially for image versions.

Yeah I've tried altering the size myself and it didn't look suitable.

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If I see the ad above placed by the The Lucky Coin Casino by Anonymous Ads, which part of this anonymous don't I understand? I took the liberty to click several ads and, once I was on those sites, I was able to tell who placed the ads, unless there's a Supper PAC somewhere paying for the ads, I'm pretty sure that the sites I arrived at were linked by their owner's paid ads.

My question is in way to dis this service. Help me get my head out of my ass on issue.

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You are right, Bruno. It is quite reasonable to suspect, that the site owner is the advertiser. But it is not always the case. Anybody can place ad on behalf of anybody else, and anybody can send money for existing ads. Also, if you know the site, that doesn't mean you know its owner.

The service is anonymous in sense that it doesn't collect any personal data about advertisers and affiliates.

Thank you kindly for your reply. That's makes sense to me, now.

I can't wait till the Affiliate Marketing Gurus get a hold of your business plan: http://www.squidoo.com/affiliategurus

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I'm keeping a bit of an eye on this since the idea behind it is interesting and it's easy to implement. But as a webmaster there is no way to even roughly estimate your earnings.

The spread seems to get even bigger: user 51 has 1223 click, which earned him 0.00004360btc, while user 43 received 0.00092286btc for only 3 clicks. That's an about 21 times bigger payment for only approximately 0.25% of the clicks.

While I'm in no position to tell you how to run your project, I can say that webmasters want to be able to do some rough guessing. I know it's unfair to compare it to Adsense, but there I can do some estimations. Here I see differences of up to a factor of 8545, which, if applied to Adsense, would mean earning either $0.01 or $85.45 per click.

From my position as a webmaster it would help to have at least a guaranteed minimum earning, even if it's just 0.001btc per click.

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I'm keeping a bit of an eye on this since the idea behind it is interesting and it's easy to implement. But as a webmaster there is no way to even roughly estimate your earnings.

The spread seems to get even bigger: user 51 has 1223 click, which earned him 0.00004360btc, while user 43 received 0.00092286btc for only 3 clicks. That's an about 21 times bigger payment for only approximately 0.25% of the clicks.

While I'm in no position to tell you how to run your project, I can say that webmasters want to be able to do some rough guessing. I know it's unfair to compare it to Adsense, but there I can do some estimations. Here I see differences of up to a factor of 8545, which, if applied to Adsense, would mean earning either $0.01 or $85.45 per click.

From my position as a webmaster it would help to have at least a guaranteed minimum earning, even if it's just 0.001btc per click.


Thanks for your feedback.

User 51 has 1560 unique impressions and 1223 unique clicks. I don't want to say anything about user 51 since I don't know who he/she is and how did he achieve this ratio. But it looks suspicious and he/she could receive ban instead of money from Adsense.

Guaranteed payments for clicks or impressions give strong incentive for fraudent clicks and impressions. If I knew the minimal cost of fraudent click or impression, maybe I could set up a guaranteed payments below that cost.

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I'm keeping a bit of an eye on this since the idea behind it is interesting and it's easy to implement. But as a webmaster there is no way to even roughly estimate your earnings.

The spread seems to get even bigger: user 51 has 1223 click, which earned him 0.00004360btc, while user 43 received 0.00092286btc for only 3 clicks. That's an about 21 times bigger payment for only approximately 0.25% of the clicks.

While I'm in no position to tell you how to run your project, I can say that webmasters want to be able to do some rough guessing. I know it's unfair to compare it to Adsense, but there I can do some estimations. Here I see differences of up to a factor of 8545, which, if applied to Adsense, would mean earning either $0.01 or $85.45 per click.

From my position as a webmaster it would help to have at least a guaranteed minimum earning, even if it's just 0.001btc per click.


Thanks for your feedback.

User 51 has 1560 unique impressions and 1223 unique clicks. I don't want to say anything about user 51 since I don't know who he/she is and how did he achieve this ratio. But it looks suspicious and he/she could receive ban instead of money from Adsense.

Guaranteed payments for clicks or impressions give strong incentive for fraudent clicks and impressions. If I knew the minimal cost of fraudent click or impression, maybe I could set up a guaranteed payments below that cost.

Yeah that's what I was thinking about fraud too.  Also AdSense pays me over £0.50 a click.  I can't see this scheme paying as much per click but I think its ads are more relevant being BitCoin related.

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User 51 has 1560 unique impressions and 1223 unique clicks. I don't want to say anything about user 51 since I don't know who he/she is and how did he achieve this ratio. But it looks suspicious and he/she could receive ban instead of money from Adsense.

Guaranteed payments for clicks or impressions give strong incentive for fraudent clicks and impressions. If I knew the minimal cost of fraudent click or impression, maybe I could set up a guaranteed payments below that cost.

Yeah that's what I was thinking about fraud too.  Also AdSense pays me over £0.50 a click.  I can't see this scheme paying as much per click but I think its ads are more relevant being BitCoin related.

Adsense bans quickly, but they also pay nicely for good traffic. It just needs a few clicks of your own to get their attention, so user 51 would already be gone from Adsense. It's really not worth the effort to fake because the payment for "real" clicks is quite high and if you have a decent website, those clicks happen naturally. You could always ban that user and see who complains, and what explanation he/she gives Smiley

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Also AdSense pays me over £0.50 a click.  I can't see this scheme paying as much per click but I think its ads are more relevant being BitCoin related.

It should be possible in the long run. Though I can't promise it will ever happen: all depends on advertisers and affiliates. Anonymous Ads just shows ads that are de-facto more profitable for each particular affiliate.

So if advertiser pays to affiliates that attracted buyers, it is likely that those particular affiliates will show his/her ads more often and thus will earn more. Competition between advertisers should keep the rate reasonable.

It is beneficial for advertisers too because they pay only for achieved results and get more impressions from affiliates that work best for them. It should be cheaper than paying for traffic (because inefficient and fraudulent traffic is not included in price).

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By the way, what's with the "Sorry, couldn't find the redirection link." message?
I get that every time I click the link in your sig.

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Interesting.

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By the way, what's with the "Sorry, couldn't find the redirection link." message?
I get that every time I click the link in your sig.

It works for me. Does anybody else experience the same problem? Please PM me cookies of anonymousads.com, I'll try to understand what is happening.

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Although I mentioned affiliate marketing gurus, I should have included adsense gurus. I'm glad to see the conversation continuing on the monetary aspect of this endeavor.

Bear in mind that these gurus are capable of creating a program around Bitcoin if they see that it's worth there wild. Once a couple gurus get on board, it's not uncommon for the others to follow suit. Playing follow the leader is fine with them. They're also always looking for the next big thing. That big thing at the moment are smart phones. The person who marriages advertising, smart phones and Bitcoin will be king of the mountain for years to come.

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That big thing at the moment are smart phones. The person who marriages advertising, smart phones and Bitcoin will be king of the mountain for years to come.

Yes, there is something here to think about )

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By the way, what's with the "Sorry, couldn't find the redirection link." message?
I get that every time I click the link in your sig.

Probably browser refuses cookies due to some security issues. I can't control browser's behavior, some users may have cookies disabled at all. I've implemented the work-around: if redirection link is not found, then user will be redirected to the list of ads for that affiliate (the wanted ad should be there).

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There were many fraudulent clicks, so I allowed myself to clean the stats a bit. I made some fixes in code and hope that there will be not that much fraudulent clicks in future.

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Probably browser refuses cookies due to some security issues. I can't control browser's behavior, some users may have cookies disabled at all. I've implemented the work-around: if redirection link is not found, then user will be redirected to the list of ads for that affiliate (the wanted ad should be there).
I downloaded the most recent Opera and did a standard install on a clean XP without any adjustments. The cookie still gets set only partially.
Did you test it too? If that's something that happens with all Opera and older Firefox installs, it really needs to be fixed.
Besides, the cookie stores successfully the session id, so you can as well handle the rest of the data server-side in the $_SESSION array after doing the session_start().
No need to store all the other information on the client side.

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I downloaded the most recent Opera and did a standard install on a clean XP without any adjustments. The cookie still gets set only partially.
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Besides, the cookie stores successfully the session id, so you can as well handle the rest of the data server-side in the $_SESSION array after doing the session_start().
No need to store all the other information on the client side.

I decided to store this data on the client side because browser knows when it's session is over. And that is crucial to ensure that visitors get redirected to sites that correspond to the images they see in their browsers. I don't rely on server here because I am not sure how/when it clears session data after clients gets disconnected.

I think I solved the issue (fixed cookie path). Please let me know if you still can reproduce it. Thank you very much for participation.

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I decided to store this data on the client side because browser knows when it's session is over. And that is crucial to ensure that visitors get redirected to sites that correspond to the images they see in their browsers. I don't rely on server here because I am not sure how/when it clears session data after clients gets disconnected.

I think I solved the issue (fixed cookie path). Please let me know if you still can reproduce it. Thank you very much for participation.
PHP too has the ability to manage session expire times (look at session_cache_expire() and session.gc_maxlifetime). Plus, you can set up an hourly find in cron to look for old sessions stored in the tmp directory and clean them up.
Seems to work in FF5 and Opera11 now.

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Here are some features (derived from Bitcoin Pyramid):

no password or email address needed (neither for affiliates, nor for advertisers)
automatic withdrawals when income hits the threshold of 0.011 btc (with a small fee of 0.001 btc)
all the info is published on the site: daily backups of the whole mysql database are available at http://anonymousads.com/backups
there is almost nothing to hack

Very nice. Will try it. Any data on how many bitcoins are being paid out?
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Legit service. Just got a free 0.13 for putting it in my sig on a high traffic forum.
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Here's something to strive for: http://www.wordstream.com/articles/google-earnings
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I've been using this service on one of my sites and I'm pleased.

I hope this will destroy google ad-sense. Google ad-sense is a terrible business model that has extremely unfriendly service. I have heard stories where adsense on sites was abruptly disabled when the balance was just under $100. Just a few clicks before they had to cut a check. And the appeals process is basically a dead end. I later heard about hundreds of stories like this. Granted, some of them probably violated one or the other TOS but couldn't be all. Ok, $100 is not much to one blogger but if google is does this to 10,000 of bloggers, they just lined their pockets with $1million.

But all the bitching aside, ad-sense is a 90's technology that depends on the following:

* Trust the advertiser
* Trust the site owner
* Trust google
* Trust ad-sense to give fair rewards

If you look at this objectively, none of the above are trustworthy. Site owners may click their own ads (despite google's absurd threats that they can "detect it" with their "sophisticated" systems.) Google as I said may be cutting off small bloggers just before a check needs to be sent. And no one can verify what ad-sense is doing with their CTR and RPM and all other smoke and mirrors (yes, it appears to be sensible, but frankly there is no way to know verify if one ad deserves $0.25 vs $2.50). The advertiser himself cannot be trusted since some of them click their own ads to make it to the top entry of a google ad banner. This needs something new and revolutionary to kill it and anonymous ads could just be it.

A word to the creator. Do not sell out to google. Sell out to microsoft or some one else if you wish, but I wouldnt advise that either. You really want to go down in history as the one who humbled google.
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I've been using this service on one of my sites and I'm pleased.

I hope this will destroy google ad-sense. Google ad-sense is a terrible business model that has extremely unfriendly service. I have heard stories where adsense on sites was abruptly disabled when the balance was just under $100. Just a few clicks before they had to cut a check. And the appeals process is basically a dead end. I later heard about hundreds of stories like this. Granted, some of them probably violated one or the other TOS but couldn't be all. Ok, $100 is not much to one blogger but if google is does this to 10,000 of bloggers, they just lined their pockets with $1million.

But all the bitching aside, ad-sense is a 90's technology that depends on the following:

* Trust the advertiser
* Trust the site owner
* Trust google
* Trust ad-sense to give fair rewards

If you look at this objectively, none of the above are trustworthy. Site owners may click their own ads (despite google's absurd threats that they can "detect it" with their "sophisticated" systems.) Google as I said may be cutting off small bloggers just before a check needs to be sent. And no one can verify what ad-sense is doing with their CTR and RPM and all other smoke and mirrors (yes, it appears to be sensible, but frankly there is no way to know verify if one ad deserves $0.25 vs $2.50). The advertiser himself cannot be trusted since some of them click their own ads to make it to the top entry of a google ad banner. This needs something new and revolutionary to kill it and anonymous ads could just be it.

A word to the creator. Do not sell out to google. Sell out to microsoft or some one else if you wish, but I wouldnt advise that either. You really want to go down in history as the one who humbled google.


Yeah but AdSense is paying me an average of £0.83 a click this service is paying me less than an average of £0.01 a click.  I'll keep using it for now tho as I think Bitcoin ads are more relevant for my blog with it being about Bitcoin also I'm supporting the Bitcoin community by using it and the Bitcoin ads get more clicks than the AdSense ads.  Although this service pays peanuts  Angry

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Yeah but AdSense is paying me an average of £0.83 a click this service is paying me less than an average of £0.01 a click.  I'll keep using it for now tho as I think Bitcoin ads are more relevant for my blog with it being about Bitcoin also I'm supporting the Bitcoin community by using it and the Bitcoin ads get more clicks than the AdSense ads.  Although this service pays peanuts  Angry

... for now.

For a service that has just started a few days ago, thats very very good.
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Yeah but AdSense is paying me an average of £0.83 a click this service is paying me less than an average of £0.01 a click.  I'll keep using it for now tho as I think Bitcoin ads are more relevant for my blog with it being about Bitcoin also I'm supporting the Bitcoin community by using it and the Bitcoin ads get more clicks than the AdSense ads.  Although this service pays peanuts  Angry

... for now.

For a service that has just started a few days ago, thats very very good.

What are http://anonymousads.com/ profits percent compared to legit users?  I know it's new and I want to support Bitcoin but I don't want to be ripped off.  I'm also looking at https://www.operationfabulous.com/ for Bitcoin advertising but they haven't got back to me yet?

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How about adding a pending withdrawals section to the affiliate's page?  So we know how much we have pending to be paid on the next payment.

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What are http://anonymousads.com/ profits percent compared to legit users?  I know it's new and I want to support Bitcoin but I don't want to be ripped off.  I'm also looking at https://www.operationfabulous.com/ for Bitcoin advertising but they haven't got back to me yet?

http://anonymousads.com/howitworks

They claim to only take 0.001 BTC per payment from advertiser to affiliate. If anonymous ads is taking too big a chunk, I suppose they would be discovered pretty quickly and business would move to other competition.

I'm sure other competing services will pop-up very quickly and they will all be good.
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What are http://anonymousads.com/ profits percent compared to legit users?  I know it's new and I want to support Bitcoin but I don't want to be ripped off.  I'm also looking at https://www.operationfabulous.com/ for Bitcoin advertising but they haven't got back to me yet?

http://anonymousads.com/howitworks

They claim to only take 0.001 BTC per payment from advertiser to affiliate. If anonymous ads is taking too big a chunk, I suppose they would be discovered pretty quickly and business would move to other competition.

I'm sure other competing services will pop-up very quickly and they will all be good.

Thanks for the reply.  I think I may have read that but forgot  Embarrassed  Let's hope they stay true to their word.

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Thanks for the reply.  I think I may have read that but forgot  Embarrassed  Let's hope they stay true to their word.

Actually you don't have to trust it, this all is totally traceable. Just click your own banner and see the bitcoin address in the URL you arrive to. Send some btc on behalf of advertiser to that address and wait several hours, payment should appear in your wallet.

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How about adding a pending withdrawals section to the affiliate's page?  So we know how much we have pending to be paid on the next payment.

Good idea. Also it would be nice to show transaction ids (I don't think affiliates should to examine database dumps to discover them).

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Bringing up text links again...
It would be relatively easy for affiliates to create text-only links if the ids could be used, for example:

http://anonymousads.com/go/<affiliate id>/<ad id>/

So any affiliate can easily pick the target site he wants and place a simple text link on a website/forum/email/etc. It somewhat goes against your approach of a payment-balanced system though.

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Bringing up text links again...
It would be relatively easy for affiliates to create text-only links if the ids could be used, for example:

http://anonymousads.com/go/<affiliate id>/<ad id>/

So any affiliate can easily pick the target site he wants and place a simple text link on a website/forum/email/etc.

Actually if advertiser pays commission for successful visits and you want to show a text link for particular advertiser, then you can just put your bitcoin address into his/her URL.

For example Bitcoin Darts accepts links of form "http://bitcoindarts.movoda.net/?partner=<bitcoin address here>". Just put your address there and you don't even need to use Anonymous Ads.

So any affiliate can easily pick the target site he wants and place a simple text link on a website/forum/email/etc. It somewhat goes against your approach of a payment-balanced system though.

Yes, exactly. That is why instead of adding text links to Anonymous Ads I developed http://btcurl.com. Though btcurl is far from being complete, I have some plans on that project too Smiley It targets advertisers that don't want to track successful visits themselves.

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Actually if advertiser pays commission for successful visits and you want to show a text link for particular advertiser, then you can just put your bitcoin address into his/her URL.

For example Bitcoin Darts accepts links of form "http://bitcoindarts.movoda.net/?partner=<bitcoin address here>". Just put your address there and you don't even need to use Anonymous Ads.
True, however every affiliate would have to work out a deal with every advertiser. An advertiser on AA made it public that he pays for traffic, so for affiliates there is no need to ask. It would be some sort of aggregation service that brings them both together without any special deals. Should be rather trivial to implement even.

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Hi! I see some inconsistency between my wallet and the affiliate page. I've got two affiliates:

Tritonio: http://anonymousads.com/affiliate/137d3V7MhjnGShUiniyvV3bxMGqWG2FXJe
Filosofiki: http://anonymousads.com/affiliate/1FgecxU7sTwgAfHLQJ6wZDUE3rUb5cbvY3

As you see Tritonio has: 0.05782962 btc (3 withdrawals)
and Filosofiki: 0.27553711 btc (4 withdrawals)

Now check the related transactions on my wallet:

Anonymous Ads (Tritonio)","137d3V7MhjnGShUiniyvV3bxMGqWG2FXJe","0.15071598"
Anonymous Ads (Filosofiki.eu)","1FgecxU7sTwgAfHLQJ6wZDUE3rUb5cbvY3","0.07557349"
Anonymous Ads (Tritonio)","137d3V7MhjnGShUiniyvV3bxMGqWG2FXJe","0.01101064"
Anonymous Ads (Filosofiki.eu)","1FgecxU7sTwgAfHLQJ6wZDUE3rUb5cbvY3","0.07373893"
Anonymous Ads (Tritonio)","137d3V7MhjnGShUiniyvV3bxMGqWG2FXJe","0.01071233",
Anonymous Ads (Filosofiki.eu)","1FgecxU7sTwgAfHLQJ6wZDUE3rUb5cbvY3","0.01161536",

In total Tritonio has about 0.17 BTC while filosofiki has: 0.16 BTC

The reported sum on your site is about 0.33 and in my wallet it is again about 0.33.

Did the addresses got mixed up somehow?? Up until I received the topmost payment everything looked normal. Then it is like the topmost payment was supposed to go to Filosofiki but went to Tritonio.

Any ideas?

PS: Additionally the withdrawals reported don't match those I see in my wallet. Yet the sum of bitcoins reported match the one I see...
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Hi! I see some inconsistency between my wallet and the affiliate page. I've got two affiliates:

Tritonio: http://anonymousads.com/affiliate/137d3V7MhjnGShUiniyvV3bxMGqWG2FXJe
Filosofiki: http://anonymousads.com/affiliate/1FgecxU7sTwgAfHLQJ6wZDUE3rUb5cbvY3

As you see Tritonio has: 0.05782962 btc (3 withdrawals)
and Filosofiki: 0.27553711 btc (4 withdrawals)

Now check the related transactions on my wallet:

Anonymous Ads (Tritonio)","137d3V7MhjnGShUiniyvV3bxMGqWG2FXJe","0.15071598"
Anonymous Ads (Filosofiki.eu)","1FgecxU7sTwgAfHLQJ6wZDUE3rUb5cbvY3","0.07557349"
Anonymous Ads (Tritonio)","137d3V7MhjnGShUiniyvV3bxMGqWG2FXJe","0.01101064"
Anonymous Ads (Filosofiki.eu)","1FgecxU7sTwgAfHLQJ6wZDUE3rUb5cbvY3","0.07373893"
Anonymous Ads (Tritonio)","137d3V7MhjnGShUiniyvV3bxMGqWG2FXJe","0.01071233",
Anonymous Ads (Filosofiki.eu)","1FgecxU7sTwgAfHLQJ6wZDUE3rUb5cbvY3","0.01161536",

In total Tritonio has about 0.17 BTC while filosofiki has: 0.16 BTC

The reported sum on your site is about 0.33 and in my wallet it is again about 0.33.

Did the addresses got mixed up somehow?? Up untill receiving the topmost payment everything looked normal. Then it is like the topmost payment was supposed to go to Filosofiki but went to Tritonio.

Any ideas?

Hi!

According to http://blockexplorer.com/address/137d3V7MhjnGShUiniyvV3bxMGqWG2FXJe and http://blockexplorer.com/address/1FgecxU7sTwgAfHLQJ6wZDUE3rUb5cbvY3 everything is fine.

Probably your bitcoin client just shows only one recipient for transaction (whereas "sendmany" transaction contains several recipients).


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Hey just wanted to ask: can I promote the site where the banner is on an autosurf website?

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Hey just wanted to ask: can I promote the site where the banner is on an autosurf website?

I am not sure I fully understand what you are talking about, but you are welcome to do whatever you want unless you harm others.

If real people see the ads, some of them get interested and buy something from the advertiser - then nobody would ask any question. Please note that only unique impressions & clicks (within 24 hours) are counted.

If clicks & impressions are made by bots then they can be partially filtered out. Fake clicks & impressions distort statistics and hurt advertisers that pay for clicks & impressions (it will be harder and more expensive for them to award honest affiliates). Though advertisers that pay for successful visits would even benefit from it, because they will have even stronger advantage in competition for good affiliates.

I hope that more advertisers will pay for successful visits since it is much more efficient and eliminates incentive for generating fake clicks & impressions.

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Hey just wanted to ask: can I promote the site where the banner is on an autosurf website?
About autosurf: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autosurf Also wanted to add that my autosurf displays the site for around 13 seconds in a persons broswer and that the main concept between autosurf is that you don't have to do anything rather then leaving the broswer open.

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Hey just wanted to ask: can I promote the site where the banner is on an autosurf website?
About autosurf: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autosurf

Thanks, I had read that article before I wrote a reply;)

I'm sorry, I am still confused with the question. Are you going to embed Anonymous Ads code into the site that receives traffic via autosurf, or are you going to advertise your autosurf website via Anonymous Ads?

In either case I just can't forbid anything. There is always a way to cheat. The worst I can do is set up negative rating to ads that are obviously erroneous or inappropriate and to filter out suspicious clicks, impressions and IPs.

I've read about autosurf and it doesn't seem to be erroneous or inappropriate. It seems it could be somewhat similar to a Ponzi scheme so if you place an ad of some autosurf system, it would receive a rating of about 50 (as gambling).

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Well I will try to explain it better. I have put my Anonymous Ads banner code in a signature of an other forum (Not this one Grin). Now I am promoting my thread via autosurf (an autosurf, in my case, is a traffic exchange because for it to be a Ponzi scheme it needs to payout money not give traffic to others but this fact isn't the main point) where in the signature the banner is seen. Now let's say that I login to my autosurf account and click Earn Credits. Then automaticly another page opens and shows websites. They rotate every 13 seconds. After I earn enough credits I use them to promote the site in the same way the other websites which were in rotation. To make a few things straight: You only need to keep the broswer open while earning. It means that not the people are watching the ads but only the computer rotates them in their broswer. Also some (but a very very small part) peiple watch those websites like sometimes I do. So I don't know whether that kind of promoting is considered botting or not. And the last thing is that I try to be an honest person because if I wouldn't be I wouldn't be asking for advice and writing this long which I am finishing now. Grin

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Well I will try to explain it better. I have put my Anonymous Ads banner code in a signature of an other forum (Not this one Grin). Now I am promoting my thread via autosurf (an autosurf, in my case, is a traffic exchange because for it to be a Ponzi scheme it needs to payout money not give traffic to others but this fact isn't the main point) where in the signature the banner is seen. Now let's say that I login to my autosurf account and click Earn Credits. Then automaticly another page opens and shows websites. They rotate every 13 seconds. After I earn enough credits I use them to promote the site in the same way the other websites which were in rotation. To make a few things straight: You only need to keep the broswer open while earning. It means that not the people are watching the ads but only the computer rotates them in their broswer. Also some (but a very very small part) peiple watch those websites like sometimes I do. So I don't know whether that kind of promoting is considered botting or not. And the last thing is that I try to be an honest person because if I wouldn't be I wouldn't be asking for advice and writing this long which I am finishing now. Grin

Thanks  explanation! So basically what you are saying is that you get many impressions, but very few of them are seen by real people. And probably you have low CTR (or does the system click ads too?).

Frankly speaking I don't like this kind of advertising, it seems to be rather inefficient and to negatively affect reputation of Anonymous Ads. If you sell impressions to a buyer who assumes that they are made by people, it is probably a fraud.

I am not asking you to stop it because while there is financial incentive for it, people will silently do it. You shouldn't be exclusively penalized for your honesty Smiley

There are some technical measures to filter out excessive clicks & impressions, I have idea of some additional measures that could be taken.

The ultimate solution is, as I mentioned earlier, embedded into the system by design: if most advertisers pay only for successful visits, there will be very little (or zero) incentive for spending your autosurf credits on Anonymous Ads.

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Well I will try to explain it better. I have put my Anonymous Ads banner code in a signature of an other forum (Not this one Grin). Now I am promoting my thread via autosurf (an autosurf, in my case, is a traffic exchange because for it to be a Ponzi scheme it needs to payout money not give traffic to others but this fact isn't the main point) where in the signature the banner is seen. Now let's say that I login to my autosurf account and click Earn Credits. Then automaticly another page opens and shows websites. They rotate every 13 seconds. After I earn enough credits I use them to promote the site in the same way the other websites which were in rotation. To make a few things straight: You only need to keep the broswer open while earning. It means that not the people are watching the ads but only the computer rotates them in their broswer. Also some (but a very very small part) peiple watch those websites like sometimes I do. So I don't know whether that kind of promoting is considered botting or not. And the last thing is that I try to be an honest person because if I wouldn't be I wouldn't be asking for advice and writing this long which I am finishing now. Grin

Thanks  explanation! So basically what you are saying is that you get many impressions, but very few of them are seen by real people. And probably you have low CTR (or does the system click ads too?).

Frankly speaking I don't like this kind of advertising, it seems to be rather inefficient and to negatively affect reputation of Anonymous Ads. If you sell impressions to a buyer who assumes that they are made by people, it is probably a fraud.

I am not asking you to stop it because while there is financial incentive for it, people will silently do it. You shouldn't be exclusively penalized for your honesty Smiley

There are some technical measures to filter out excessive clicks & impressions, I have idea of some additional measures that could be taken.

The ultimate solution is, as I mentioned earlier, embedded into the system by design: if most advertisers pay only for successful visits, there will be very little (or zero) incentive for spending your autosurf credits on Anonymous Ads.
To answer your question about the click: no it doesn't do that since they only share traffic to websites not to their ads. And of course thank you for clearing that up since my dignity reacts to that kind of questions really badly (sometimes  Grin). And to your relief I am going to stop promoting in this kind of way. I am planning on setting up a bitcoin faucet (maybe something with a similliar concept like Daily Bitcoins) so I will use this and maybe somekind of other service which will help to earn enough bitcoins to give away to other people.

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Added some basic stats to the stats page. Now you can see that Anonymous Ads' affiliates generated 117838 impressions, 2313 clicks and earned 2.65199910 btc during last 30 days.

It seems that most advertisers pay only to bootstrap their ads and don't pay to affiliates (I'm paying to affiliates on behalf on advertisers, but I can't detect successful visits).

You can think of bootstrapping ads as of connecting them to affiliates. If you already have enough affiliates connected to your ad and you pay for successful visits, you should expect to get much more impressions for less money.

It is not that difficult:
1. upon each visit save bitcoin address (that is passed to your site by Anonymous Ads) in a cookie.
2. when visitor gets registered or orders something - read bitcoin address from cookie and associate it with user.
3. when you receive money from that user - send some btc to that bitcoin address (or collect pairs <bitcoin address, amount to send> in CSV file, pass it to btcrelay.com and pay to many affiliates in a single transaction).

The system really needs more advertisers that pay for successful visits, so I am going to help advertisers to establish this workflow for free. Please PM me to get help.

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Added some basic stats to the stats page. Now you can see that Anonymous Ads' affiliates generated 117838 impressions, 2313 clicks and earned 2.65199910 btc during last 30 days.

It seems that most advertisers pay only to bootstrap their ads and don't pay to affiliates (I'm paying to affiliates on behalf on advertisers, but I can't detect successful visits).

You can think of bootstrapping ads as of connecting them to affiliates. If you already have enough affiliates connected to your ad and you pay for successful visits, you should expect to get much more impressions for less money.

It is not that difficult:
1. upon each visit save bitcoin address (that is passed to your site by Anonymous Ads) in a cookie.
2. when visitor gets registered or orders something - read bitcoin address from cookie and associate it with user.
3. when you receive money from that user - send some btc to that bitcoin address (or collect pairs <bitcoin address, amount to send> in CSV file, pass it to btcrelay.com and pay to many affiliates in a single transaction).

The system really needs more advertisers that pay for successful visits, so I am going to help advertisers to establish this workflow for free. Please PM me to get help.

Would be easier if you provided them a library or even a service to do that
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So, you are counting on the advertisers willingness to reward publishers on their own after getting their (?)money(?) in then pocket?
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So, you are counting on the advertisers willingness to reward publishers on their own after getting their (?)money(?) in then pocket?

Yes. It is good for advertisers because it will boost their impressions from that publishers, and they won't pay for fake clicks/impressions. It is good for publishers too because most profitable ads will be shown on their sites (and their income won't be discounted by fake clicks & impressions of other publishers).

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Would be easier if you provided them a library or even a service to do that

Thanks. I was thinking that after helping several advertisers I could develop a solution that would better fit their needs. But now I think I can make & publish some simplistic example that would work in most cases.

Update: ok, here it is: https://github.com/arsenische/aaap

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Hello again and thanks for the prev explanation. I am using the official bitcoin client though so what affected me is probably a bug(?)

Can you describe the ad selection algorithm exactly? As I understand it now it goes like this:
1. A dice drop decides whether it will display a bootstrapping ad or not. 10% to be a bootstraping ad (which is ANY ad that still has unspent bootstrap money, right?).
2. It evaluates each ad by the money it has given you in the last month (or in the last accounting period which is different for each ad?) divided by the impressions it had.
3. It shows the ad with the most profitable evaluation. Maybe it would make more sense to pick a random ad weighted by the value calculated in step 2 instead of just the best one?
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Received my first withdrawal even ´though I was only testing this on low traffic sites. Love it!
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Can you describe the ad selection algorithm exactly? As I understand it now it goes like this:
1. A dice drop decides whether it will display a bootstrapping ad or not. 10% to be a bootstraping ad (which is ANY ad that still has unspent bootstrap money, right?).
2. It evaluates each ad by the money it has given you in the last month (or in the last accounting period which is different for each ad?) divided by the impressions it had.
3. It shows the ad with the most profitable evaluation. Maybe it would make more sense to pick a random ad weighted by the value calculated in step 2 instead of just the best one?

Ad selection algorithm (without minor details):

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$isBootstrapped = mt_rand()%10==0;                                                                                                                
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SELECT * FROM Ads WHERE rating >= $filter ORDER BY rand()*$maxBootstrapScore/(1+bootstrapScore) limit 1

Table Ads contains all ads. Bootstrap score = [sum of deposits with  >= 6 confirmations] - [sum of deposits with >= 24*6*billingCycle + 6 confirmations] (measured in satoshies). If bootstrapped ad is shown for affiliate, then it becomes connected to that affiliate (appears in Relays table).

LoadRandomAdForAffiliate query:
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SELECT * FROM Relays WHERE affiliateAddress=$affiliateAddress ORDER BY rand()*$maxActiveCPI/(1+activeCPI) limit 1

Update 2012-05-20: algorithm changed so that it doesn't depend on past impressions, see details in new post.

Each pair of connected <ad, affiliate> has 1 record in table Relays. ActiveCPI is de-facto CPI for this relay during last billingCycle days.

Billing cycle is 30 days by default. In future advertisers will be able to specify the billing cycle upon Ad creation (and bootstrap score will be divided by that number).

So, answering your questions:
1) correct, but with filtering according to ads' ratings and affiliates' preferences
2) it is not divided by number of impressions... all ads have billing cycle of 30 days now, but in future they will be different (allowing advertisers to specify the speed of spending their money and duration of advertising campaign)
3) it seems to work as you suggested

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Interesting project!  When are stats updated?
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Interesting project!  When are stats updated?

Thanks! Stats are currently updated every 3 minutes.

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Thanks for the explanation arsenische!
One more question: Why do you multiply by $maxBootstrapScore. Does it change the ordering?
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One more question: Why do you multiply by $maxBootstrapScore. Does it change the ordering?

Wow... It looks like normalizing values is not required in these queries. Thanks for the hint!

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what an interesting concept.

is it working?
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More questions:
1. What happens to the bootstrap money and when? Are they automatically distributed based on something (and what is that?), or do I still control who will get them?
2. If I want to pay based on products sold for example, how do I do it? If I pay directly to the partner addresses I see in the CSVs, how is the affiliate (or your system) going to know who paid that affiliate? If I pay via btcrelay, how will the system know which ad is paying that btcrelay paylist? I suppose they have to know somehow who is paying or else how will they

Excuse me if you have answered these things before but right when I grasped the model, I got confused by the technical details. :-D
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More questions:
1. What happens to the bootstrap money and when? Are they automatically distributed based on something (and what is that?), or do I still control who will get them?
2. If I want to pay based on products sold for example, how do I do it? If I pay directly to the partner addresses I see in the CSVs, how is the affiliate (or your system) going to know who paid that affiliate? If I pay via btcrelay, how will the system know which ad is paying that btcrelay paylist? I suppose they have to know somehow who is paying or else how will they

Excuse me if you have answered these things before but right when I grasped the model, I got confused by the technical details. :-D

Even though it is somehow explained at How It Works page, I am grateful for questions like that because I want more people to understand this unusual system.

1. Bootstrap money go to Anonymous Ads, they are the main source of its profit. For this money it connects the bootstrapped ad to affiliates (i. e. gives it proportional share of 10% of affiliates' impressions and generates unique bitcoin addresses for each pair <ad, affiliate that displays this ad>).

Right now I use that money to support affiliates on behalf of advertisers (advertisers don't do it yet, but affiliates need to get paid).

2. At step 1 Anonymous Ads generated unique bitcoin address for each pair of <ad, connected affiliate>. So when it receives money to that bitcoin address, it knows which ad paid to what affiliate (and thus can select randomly one of the most profitable ads to be shown for that affiliate).

The list of ads connected to affiliate is shown at affiliate's ads page (for example, http://anonymousads.com/affiliate/1/ads). If you hover the ad's link, you'll see the generated bitcoin address for that pair of <ad, affiliate> in URL. Ads are ordered according to probability of being shown for that affiliate.

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Even though it is somehow explained at How It Works page, I am grateful for questions like that because I want more people to understand this unusual system.
I've read it but I didn't see what happens to the bootstrap money anywhere. :-) Maybe you should write that somewhere there explicitly to avoid confusion.
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Right now I use that money to support affiliates on behalf of advertisers (advertisers don't do it yet, but affiliates need to get paid).
I see. I'll drop a few bitcents every now and then on the bittit ad.
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2. At step 1 Anonymous Ads generated unique bitcoin address for each pair of <ad, connected affiliate>. So when it receives money to that bitcoin address, it knows which ad paid to what affiliate (and thus can select randomly one of the most profitable ads to be shown for that affiliate).

The list of ads connected to affiliate is shown at affiliate's ads page (for example, http://anonymousads.com/affiliate/1/ads). If you hover the ad's link, you'll see the generated bitcoin address for that pair of <ad, affiliate> in URL. Ads are ordered according to probability of being shown for that affiliate.
That's perfect. It means that I can even pay manually if the volume is low enough. Just perfect. :-)

Thanks for the answers!

BTW it could be usefull to show the current average and maximum bootstrap score in the stats page to let us get an idea of how often we are going to appear in bootstrap ads. ;-)

Also in the stats page you say: CPI = 0.09983719 btc per thousand impressions
Don't you mean CPM = 0.09983719?
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what an interesting concept.

is it working?

thanks.. should be working... but I'd like to hear about it from advertisers since they are the ones that can evaluate the quality of traffic they receive for their money Smiley

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I've read it but I didn't see what happens to the bootstrap money anywhere. :-) Maybe you should write that somewhere there explicitly to avoid confusion.
Added info about it into the hint here.

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Bootstrap scores are shown in the Ads list (in descending order). I added the estimated values you are asking about into blue box at Stats page.

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Also in the stats page you say: CPI = 0.09983719 btc per thousand impressions
Don't you mean CPM = 0.09983719?
Fixed that.

Thanks for your feedback and for supporting Anonymous Ads!

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Could we have ads served via a script? I don't really fancy the frames and the blog image ad is always white and too wide. Could you serve script so that we can include ads like this:

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<a href='http://anonymousads.com/userbar/58/click'><script src='http://anonymousads.com/userbar/58/script'></script></a>
All the script must do is a document.write if I am not mistaken.

That would allow us to make the ad text wrap or change it's style.

I don't know what this would do with image ads though. I think that best solution (for us) would be for the script to take some parameters like this:

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<a href='http://anonymousads.com/userbar/58/click'><script src='http://anonymousads.com/userbar/58/script/200/100'></script></a>
should return either text or an image ad that fits within a 200x100 pixel box.

That way we can request ads based on how space we've got available. ;-)


I've also got two questions.
What happens if I put two different affiliate ads in one page?
What happens if I put the same affiliate ad two times in a page?
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Could we have ads served via a script?

Thanks for your proposal, I partially implemented it. Please try something like:

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<script src='http://anonymousads.com/a/58?js' type='text/javascript'></script>

You can customize the look & size with CSS, for example:

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<STYLE type="text/css">
   .anonymousads {border:1px solid blue;width:160px;height:100px; padding:5px;margin:0px;position:relative;background-color:#FFA;font-size:0.8em;overflow:auto;}
   .anonymousads p {position:absolute; top:5px; left:5px; padding:0px; margin:0px;color:#077;}
   .anonymousads a {color:#770;font-size:0.8em}
   .anonymousads a:hover {color:#AA0;}
   .anonymousads small {color:red;position:absolute; bottom:5px; right:5px;}
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(see it here)

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That way we can request ads based on how space we've got available. ;-)

Yes, we'll need this kind of mechanism for graphic ads. I am going to rework rendering of graphic ads to allow this feature.

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What happens if I put two different affiliate ads in one page?

If ads belong to different affiliates, then different ads are likely to be shown.

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What happens if I put the same affiliate ad two times in a page?

If it is an image ad, then the same ad will be shown till the end of the browser session.
If it is an iframe or javascript, then it depends on browser caching behavior.

Anyway, only one click and impression for unique ip during 24 hours will be counted.

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Excellent! I'm already using it on bittit and blended it into the site theme. I'll start using it in my other websites too. :-)
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It's still only paying peanuts tho out of 478 impressions and 16 clicks I've been paid 0.03361597BTC so like £0.10 while AdSense pays me over £0.80 per click.

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It's still only paying peanuts tho out of 478 impressions and 16 clicks I've been paid 0.03361597BTC so like £0.10 while AdSense pays me over £0.80 per click.

1. It's still new so until it balances out with the other ad services it might need some time.

2. Adsense sucks ballz... They've closed an account which violated no rule at all just because someone or some people (nobody knows who) was/were causing "suspicious clicks" as Google's described them. And instead of just not paying for those click which the owner of the site had no way to control AT ALL, they shut down the account, no questions asked. Well they gave the owner the right to appeal but they only repeated "suspicius clicks" in their answer and kept the account terminated. So good luck reaching the payout when you site is used by a ten thousand users. One asshole is probably enough to get your account terminated.

3. Wait 30 days. Some people might by waiting for the end of the 30 day payout period to pay their affiliates. You might get some more then.
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It's still only paying peanuts tho out of 478 impressions and 16 clicks I've been paid 0.03361597BTC so like £0.10 while AdSense pays me over £0.80 per click.

1. It's still new so until it balances out with the other ad services it might need some time.

2. Adsense sucks ballz... They've closed an account which violated no rule at all just because someone or some people (nobody knows who) was/were causing "suspicious clicks" as Google's described them. And instead of just not paying for those click which the owner of the site had no way to control AT ALL, they shut down the account, no questions asked. Well they gave the owner the right to appeal but they only repeated "suspicius clicks" in their answer and kept the account terminated. So good luck reaching the payout when you site is used by a ten thousand users. One asshole is probably enough to get your account terminated.

3. Wait 30 days. Some people might by waiting for the end of the 30 day payout period to pay their affiliates. You might get some more then.

The worst part is all monies in your account are lost if your account is terminated. The appeal process is JUST ONE EMAIL that you can send, which will receive a reply that basically restates the complaint. I have yet to hear of a successful appeal or even a non-form letter reply to any appeal.

Ad-sense is total BS and needs to die.
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I will try it out on a few parked domains.

I suggest that you create a bitcoin category too, that is your best niche I suppose
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I will try it out on a few parked domains.

I suggest that you create a bitcoin category too, that is your best niche I suppose

Thank you! Are you talking about categorizing ads? (right now there is only a simple filtration to protect affiliates from inappropriate content.. but I agree, it would be nice to have categories for ads and to allow affiliates to subscribe for categories somehow)

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Yeah that's what I'm saying.
Somehow both the publisher and the advertiser should be able to chose the niche they think will be more profitable to them. Then how your algorithm takes this information into account is up to you, you can still throw some randomness in the mix since it is your original idea.
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Yeah that's what I'm saying.
Somehow both the publisher and the advertiser should be able to chose the niche they think will be more profitable to them. Then how your algorithm takes this information into account is up to you, you can still throw some randomness in the mix since it is your original idea.

The following categories pay the best, since these are most likely to get clicks:

Medical: This includes diet pills and weird tip to cut belly fat
Dating: 6 hot women in your zip code want to **** you
Financial: 6 Hot stocks every day!
Gambling: enough said
Jobs: Looking for Java programmers!

Others who may pay moderately:
Local businesses (assuming you can do some Geo-IP)
Local real estate listings
Tourism

But the best idea is to let your advertisers pick or create a category and let affiliates subscribe. Keep the category very broad. "Medical" is better than "doctors, Arthritis, Rogaine", etc. This will keep your service very responsive.

You can of course, allow advertisers to request creation of new category. The reason is sometimes, they want "Pharma" differently from Medical and if you get say 4 votes on a request, you should consider creating it. Do not let affiliates create categories, or you will sink into a huge pile of highly specific categories resulting in very few matches. You dont have either the affiliates or the advertisers to handle it at this stage.
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If you are going to do this you should consider some things:
1. Categories might increase the complexity. Keep then optional. For example let affiliates choose what they do NOT want to see. For example I know that my users are likely not interested in ads related to medicine.
2. You should probably make a system to edit ads and affiliates to compensate for new ad categories. If a new category is created I might need to exclude it from my affiliate. Maybe you should give an "edit URL" with some sort of random code in the GET parameters. Store the has of that code in the database and when I, or someone else, visit my affiliate link it should check whether the hash of the code in the URL matches with the one in the database, and if it does it should give me options to edit the ad. (just make sure you salt-hash it or the whole thing could be broken with a rainbow table if the codes are short)
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Thanks for this discussion. I see the following extremes:

The simplest solution would be to enhance the filtration functionality (i. e. replace "rating" with a limited set of checkboxes that represent basic categories). It seems to be relatively easy to implement, but it is not very flexible.

The ultimate solution would probably be to allow advertisers to specify tags that describe their ads, and to allow affiliates to exclude tags. But it breaks the whole idea of the system that has nothing to hide and raises security questions.

Maybe the idea with "edit URL" is not that bad. It is not secure at all, but maybe it is not that important for the system that doesn't contain sensitive data and allows to modify filtration settings only. Or is it?

So I am thinking about implementing the following features:
1) allow to specify billing cycle upon ad creation
2) enable some basic ip-based geo-targeting
3) enable filtration based on categories or tags (if based on tags, then enable advertisers to modify tags; show existing tags on affiliate's page and allow affiliates to exclude them)
4) improve graphic versions of ads (make them look like html versions; allow to upload different sizes; allow affiliates to ask for a specific size)
5) add more stats (basically I'd like to see some historical graphs for the whole system and for each affiliate and advertiser)
6) enable search of affiliate, ad or connection between them by bitcoin address, enable navigation through connections
7) show withdrawal history and transaction ids
8) support for smartfones (do they require any specific support?)
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Probably I need to set up priorities and maybe find a team or an investor.. anyone interested? :)

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The ultimate solution would probably be to allow advertisers to specify tags that describe their ads, and to allow affiliates to exclude tags. But it breaks the whole idea of the system that has nothing to hide and raises security questions.
What security questions?
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Maybe the idea with "edit URL" is not that bad. It is not secure at all, but maybe it is not that important for the system that doesn't contain sensitive data and allows to modify filtration settings only. Or is it?
It's secure as long as affiliates don't loose their edit URL. The edit url isn't stored in the DB so there should be no way for someone to find it. But yes, it created a hackable point in the system while right now it has practically no hackable points.
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1) allow to specify billing cycle upon ad creation
2) enable some basic ip-based geo-targeting
MAYBE targeting based on browser language would be better? Not sure but I use a VPS and I am bored of seeing ads about girls in Amsterdam...
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3) enable filtration based on categories or tags (if based on tags, then enable advertisers to modify tags; show existing tags on affiliate's page and allow affiliates to exclude them)
It's more important to let affiliates edit excluded tags.
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4) improve graphic versions of ads (make them look like html versions; allow to upload different sizes; allow affiliates to ask for a specific size)
Also allow affiliates to block image ads. That would be really useful and it is offered by most ad networks. (and I miss this feature)
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6) enable search of affiliate, ad or connection between them by bitcoin address, enable navigation through connections
Hahaha I was looking at the database yesterday to do that thing manually. I don't think most people need it though but it would be useful. :-)
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Cool support for smartfones (do they require any specific support?)
I don't think you have to do anything.
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I wish I could help you make these stuff but I've already got too much in my mind these days. :-|
I hope you find some investor. Maybe you should think about putting anonymous ads on GLBSE? (https://glbse.com/)

BTW I used your ads in a Chrome extension I made: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/fblekdojabihjdhndhmloalbcnnejddl
This couldn't be done with Google Adsense for example. :-D You can't put Adsense in webpages that have no public URL and I had to put it a popup window.
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Excluding tags sounds important and maybe it is. But it gets in the way of efficient selection and working of the system. Selecting on a match (select where a = b) is far more efficient than selecting on mismatch (select where a not in ('x','y','z'))

Stop thinking in terms of the ad-sense model. It gets on an average 0.25% click rate and is a very inefficient system.

Your business model should not be to show ads. Your business model should be to show ads that the reader is interested in. Otherwise, when most ads are uninteresting, readers will scan the web page and automatically skip over ads. You don't want to display ads that more than 99% of the folks are uninterested in.

In theory, this is what adsense does by reading your page in realtime and categorizing it. Unfortunately, it sucks because if I use the word "sucks" to describe the market, ad-sense will show me ads for gay porn or breastfeeding pads. It is far more efficient to let content owners categorize their content.

Think about this: I have a financial blog. Yes I could say allow all ads except porn. But the truth is that ads for virus cleaners and wrinkle removers are likely to get very few hits and most users will not even glance at that space.

What is far more effective is for me to specify that my content is financial. Advertizers should jump on this because their ads would now be placed on a targeted site where readers are likely to be looking for financial solutions. The ads wont be intrusive and even an occasional interesting ad makes the reader more likely to read the ads on my site rather than scan past it. The click through rates should be far higher (10%+) provided ads are not repeats.

Btw, this is another thing you need to do. Round robin rotate ads shown to the same IP if you arent already doing this. If you have no more ads for the category/IP combination, consider not showing any ads for that IP. The usually clean site that occasionally shows an ad is far likely to get a click than one that always has an ad in the same space.

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1) allow to specify billing cycle upon ad creation
2) enable some basic ip-based geo-targeting
3) enable filtration based on categories or tags (if based on tags, then enable advertisers to modify tags; show existing tags on affiliate's page and allow affiliates to exclude them)
4) improve graphic versions of ads (make them look like html versions; allow to upload different sizes; allow affiliates to ask for a specific size)
5) add more stats (basically I'd like to see some historical graphs for the whole system and for each affiliate and advertiser)
6) enable search of affiliate, ad or connection between them by bitcoin address, enable navigation through connections
7) show withdrawal history and transaction ids
Cool support for smartfones (do they require any specific support?)
Probably I need to set up priorities and maybe find a team or an investor.. anyone interested? Smiley
1) Set withdraw trigger instead.
2) great!
3) see prior post
4-7) great!
Cool Nothing. Just keep ads compact in terms of pixels

I would be glad to help with product development with ideas fwiw (such as this). Investors will come looking for you once you get a few more advertisers.
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It's secure as long as affiliates don't loose their edit URL.
Not that secure:
1) web browsers often send HTTP Referer info to the server, so if you follow some link after you use your edit URL, then the owner of the site that link points to will be able to see in logs your edit URL.
2) nothing is secure over HTTP (and i don't have yet SSL certificate signed by CA to make https.. though probably should get one).

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Good idea, need to think it over (maybe could be both)

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Also allow affiliates to block image ads. That would be really useful and it is offered by most ad networks. (and I miss this feature)
Why do you miss it? If you use image ads, then it is always graphics; if you use JS or IFRAME version, then it is always text.

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Yes, I am thinking about it.

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This couldn't be done with Google Adsense for example. :-D You can't put Adsense in webpages that have no public URL and I had to put it a popup window.
Wow, great app, I like it!

If you know how to create browser extensions in other browsers too, you might be interested in LightRider's idea. Do you think it is possible to implement it so that it works in all major browsers? (if yes - maybe it is worth of creating a separate topic to discuss it).

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1) Set withdraw trigger instead.
Yes, withdraw trigger would be a useful additional feature for affiliates. But billing cycle is important too, because it allows to limit the duration of advertising campaign. Right now each advertiser's payment has duration of 30 days (after the last payment is made, the ads will be shown for 30 days, so advertisers have to pay monthly to continue advertising). I think many advertisers would prefer to pay daily or weekly, or to have an intensive but short advertising campaign for just few days (e. g. in case of some event or promotion).

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I don't have Round Robin algorithm there, but I like your idea. Maybe it could be an option for affiliate (to not show repeating ads).

1QaZxSw2 and Tritonio, thank you for your participation!

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Why do you miss it? If you use image ads, then it is always graphics; if you use JS or IFRAME version, then it is always text.
For example in my extension I couldn't put a <script> tag to use the new ad format. I also can't put an iframe because it's too large to fit it in there. I am now using the <img> version of the ads because it's the perfect size for text ads but when the ad is an actual image it's again to large and I have to shrink it using CSS (max-height) to make it fit in the extension's popup. So it would be better if I could block image ads but use the <img> version. Anyway. I'm not asking that you do this since it is, perhaps, a problem that only I have to face while making Chrome extensions. I'll try a few more things first. I might be able to use the <script> version somehow. :-|
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I haven't made extensions for Firefox and I have no idea how different they are. I suppose they ain't that different... I'll read more about his idea although I have trouble finding a way to measure how much you "own" to each producer. I'll think about it. :-)
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I received my first bitcent, nice  Cool
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New feature: advertisers can specify billing cycle (in days) thus defining the pace and time limit of their advertising campaign.

"Bootstrap score" is now calculated as <amount of money deposited during last billing cycle> / <duration of billing cycle>.

Instead of amount paid to affiliates during last 30 days, "Reward score" is shown, that is calculated as <amount of money paid to affiliates during last billing cycle> / <duration of billing cycle>.

Not sure if concepts of "Bootstrap score" and "Reward score" make sense for anybody except me Smiley

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New feature: advertisers can specify billing cycle (in days) thus defining the pace and time limit of their advertising campaign.

"Bootstrap score" is now calculated as <amount of money deposited during last billing cycle> / <duration of billing cycle>.

Instead of amount paid to affiliates during last 30 days, "Reward score" is shown, that is calculated as <amount of money paid to affiliates during last billing cycle> / <duration of billing cycle>.

Not sure if concepts of "Bootstrap score" and "Reward score" make sense for anybody except me Smiley

As I get it:

Bootstrap score = average amount paid in bootstrap address per day during the current cycle. Dictates how often you will be shown in that 10% of each affiliate's views. The higher this is, the more new affiliates you will try.

Reward score = average amount paid to affiliates per day, during the current billing cycle. Dictates how often you appear in affiliates in the other 90% of the pageviews. We are more interested in the per affiliate reward score since that dictates how often will each affiliate will show your ads.

Are you sure you really mean "last cycle" and not the currently running cycle? I suppose you meant "current cycle"
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Bootstrap score = average amount paid in bootstrap address per day during the current cycle. Dictates how often you will be shown in that 10% of each affiliate's views. The higher this is, the more new affiliates you will try.

Reward score = average amount paid to affiliates per day, during the current billing cycle. Dictates how often you appear in affiliates in the other 90% of the pageviews. We are more interested in the per affiliate reward score since that dictates how often will each affiliate will show your ads.

Are you sure you really mean "last cycle" and not the currently running cycle? I suppose you meant "current cycle"

Also, "Reward score" is different from "Bootstrap score": Bootstrap score is used directly in the ad selection algorithm for 10% of impressions, whereas Reward score is just an indicator, it shows de-facto speed of paying money to affiliates. For 90% impressions ads are selected according to their de-facto CPI for particular affiliates during the billing cycle (which is related to Reward score, but not exactly the same thing).

When I say "during last billing cycle", I mean "during last <billing cycle> days". Is it the same as "current billing cycle"? For example, if you have a billing cycle of 5 days, the history of bootstrap score changes could look like that:
DayDepositedBootstrap score
10 btc0 btc
21 btc0.2 btc
30 btc0.2 btc
40 btc0.2 btc
53 btc0.8 btc
60 btc0.8 btc
70 btc0.6 btc
80 btc0.6 btc
90 btc0.6 btc
100 btc0.0 btc

Do you think if I replace "last billing cycle" with "current billing cycle", it will be clear? Or is the "Billing cycle" term confusing? Probably the "scores" are confusing too...  Undecided

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Deposited 30.49293495 btc thus gaining ~60955 impressions, CPM = 0.50025076 btc
Paid 10.65445235 btc to affiliates thus gaining ~548597 impressions, CPM = 0.01942125 btc

am I right in reading this to mean that 30 BTC has been paid for bootstrapping, while only 10 BTC has been paid to affiliates? I know/understand that AA needs bootstrap BTC for income, but these numbers seem waaaay too out of whack. AA getting 75% of the BTC seems a bit much, doesn't it? I understand that currently you are using bootstrap money to pay affiliates (according to one of your previous posts in this thread), but if the 3:1 trend continues, do you plan on continuing to pump this money into affiliates? And I think there should be more transparency as to where those coins go... if I look at the affiliate section I see:

Brought 609553 impressions, 8028 clicks, CTR = 0.01317
Earned: 10.65445235 btc
Withdrew: 10.04922624 btc
Paid fees: 0.32200000 btc
Left to withdraw: 0.28322611 btc

Which to me seems to imply we have only earned what advertisers have paid us, and that we've gotten none of the 30 BTC from bootstrapping.
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Deposited 30.49293495 btc thus gaining ~60955 impressions, CPM = 0.50025076 btc
Paid 10.65445235 btc to affiliates thus gaining ~548597 impressions, CPM = 0.01942125 btc

am I right in reading this to mean that 30 BTC has been paid for bootstrapping, while only 10 BTC has been paid to affiliates? I know/understand that AA needs bootstrap BTC for income, but these numbers seem waaaay too out of whack. AA getting 75% of the BTC seems a bit much, doesn't it?

Thank you for your question and feedback. The system is yet in its infancy, it is too early to judge.

Just several days ago statistics looked very different. Amount deposited to bootstrap ads was about the same as amount paid to affiliates. Most of the money paid to affiliates were paid by me on behalf of advertisers (they show up in statistics as if they were paid by advertisers).

But several days ago 20 btc was deposited to bootstrap the ad of Dragon's tale, and it influenced statistics a lot. I am thankful to this advertiser because I have some spare btc now to support affiliates and to promote the service. Bootstrap deposits work for the whole billing cycle (30 days by default), but affiliates need to be supported on the daily basis.

Also it seems that advertisers started paying to affiliates themselves. For example, the ad of SteamCoin already paid to affiliates more than to anonymous ads. And we can see that it gets more unique impressions for less money.

It is good for affiliates, because I was paying them only ~0.3 btc daily, whereas advertisers pay much more.

I think that generally it is not a good idea for me to support affiliates on behalf of advertisers, because:
1) I don't know what visits are successful, only advertisers know it and can pay for it... If I pay, then I give incentive for fake clicks.
2) I don't want to interfere with advertisers that do it themselves and to reduce efficiency of their advertising campaign.

So I expect that in the long run affiliates will get much more than Anonymous Ads, and I will not have to support affiliates on behalf of advertisers at all.

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Which to me seems to imply we have only earned what advertisers have paid us, and that we've gotten none of the 30 BTC from bootstrapping.

Bootstrapping money are generally not supposed to go to affiliates (except 10% referral payment to affiliate that attracted the advertiser). But it is not correct to say that affiliates didn't get anything from 30 BTC. I used this money to support them and will be using if advertisers won't.

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Thanks for your response. I still think there needs to be more, or at least more clear, documentation on how it works. I don't see why Dragon's Tale would have dumped 20 BTC into bootstrapping when they could have spent that money on affiliates and gotten more impressions/clicks for those BTC. My thoughts are that they didn't entirely understand how the system works?

It all seems rather complicated when I first approached it, and it took a while to wrap my head around it, as this network is so vastly different compared to existing ad networks.
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Thanks for your response. I still think there needs to be more, or at least more clear, documentation on how it works. I don't see why Dragon's Tale would have dumped 20 BTC into bootstrapping when they could have spent that money on affiliates and gotten more impressions/clicks for those BTC. My thoughts are that they didn't entirely understand how the system works?

It all seems rather complicated when I first approached it, and it took a while to wrap my head around it, as this network is so vastly different compared to existing ad networks.

Yes, I agree with you. I'd like either to make a better documentation, or to simplify the system, or both. Not sure how to do it yet.

Regarding Dragon's Tale, I will ensure that it receives an adequate traffic for its money so that its anonymous advertiser is not offended, and affiliates get paid.

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So reward score/affiliate payments only help promote already connected affiliates, but do nothing to help you attract new affiliates is this right? If I spent 30 btc on an affiliate but nothing additional on bootstrapping I would never have any increased chance to attract new affiliates?
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So reward score/affiliate payments only help promote already connected affiliates, but do nothing to help you attract new affiliates is this right? If I spent 30 btc on an affiliate but nothing additional on bootstrapping I would never have any increased chance to attract new affiliates?

Yes, that's correct. The system is (pseudo)anonymous. Maybe that affiliate account belongs to you and you are just sending money to yourself Smiley

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allright, thanks for the clarification I'll get the hang of this advertising thing eventually. Trying to use your service to promote my current game WiP fortunes.
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How is it that this ad has any reward score at all? http://anonymousads.com/ad/56 it links to this forum, so I don't see how the advertiser could pay out for clicks as they cannot track affiliates.

edit: ahh, I see, the CSV for clicks has a list of all affiliates and number of clicks. Seems like a bad way to payout, but their choice!
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How is it that this ad has any reward score at all? http://anonymousads.com/ad/56 it links to this forum, so I don't see how the advertiser could pay out for clicks as they cannot track affiliates.

The advertiser could still look at the list of connected affiliates and pay out to those addresses.
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Recent changes: affiliates can see how much they earned from referrals and how much they have left to withdraw. Referral link is also explicitly shown on the affiliate's page. You can use that link to attract advertisers and to receive 10% of their bootstrap deposits.

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I am stopping supporting affiliates on behalf of advertisers because it gives incentive for fraud and distorts statistics. Only advertisers are able to reward affiliates for successful visits to get the more impressions for cheap. And it will be cheaper if I don't interfere.

Since advertisers don't always do it, I'll use some of bootstrap money to support affiliates directly (it won't be shown in stats).

Dear affiliates, if you are not satisfied with your income from Anonymous Ads, please let me know your affiliate addresses, urls of your websites and your income expectations.

I might be interested in renting your ad space for 1-12 months or in supporting you directly when your income is less than your minimal expectations. I have about 10 btc to spend right now and I'd like to use it to augment the affiliate network.

(updated original post)

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I am stopping supporting affiliates on behalf of advertisers because it gives incentive for fraud and distorts statistics. Only advertisers are able to reward affiliates for successful visits to get the more impressions for cheap. And it will be cheaper if I don't interfere.

Since advertisers don't always do it, I'll use some of bootstrap money to support affiliates directly (it won't be shown in stats).

Dear affiliates, if you are not satisfied with your income from Anonymous Ads, please let me know your affiliate addresses, urls of your websites and your income expectations.

I might be interested in renting your ad space for 1-12 months or in supporting you directly when your income is less than your minimal expectations. I have about 10 btc to spend right now and I'd like to use it to augment the affiliate network.

(updated original post)

I'm Affiliate 143Jgi4ycmHG3AUNEFTaWWTWXtAdMKNTpu and haven't received a penny in referrals  Sad  and I've only made 0.0663 from 21 clicks from over 700 impressions.  Websites - http://glbse.blogspot.co.uk/ and http://redstarmining.blogspot.co.uk/

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I'm Affiliate 143Jgi4ycmHG3AUNEFTaWWTWXtAdMKNTpu and haven't received a penny in referrals  Sad  and I've only made 0.0663 from 21 clicks from over 700 impressions.  Websites - http://glbse.blogspot.co.uk/ and http://redstarmining.blogspot.co.uk/

Thanks for your message. For some reason http://glbse.blogspot.co.uk/ doesn't work for me Sad

And what are your minimal income expectations?

Dailybitcoins.com charges 0.05 btc for thousand impressions. I can support you with 0.08 btc/month for leaving your affiliate code on first pages of your sites (+ affiliate and referral income from it are essentially yours). Do you accept the offer?

Regarding referrals: referral payments are 10% of bootstrap payments made by advertisers you refer.

IFRAME and JS versions of ads already contain referral link in it, but graphic ads don't.

So if you want to get referral payments but you can't use IFRAME or JS code, then you need to use the referral link from your affiliate page (feel free to modify it as you like, but leave your withdrawal address there:)).

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I'm Affiliate 143Jgi4ycmHG3AUNEFTaWWTWXtAdMKNTpu and haven't received a penny in referrals  Sad  and I've only made 0.0663 from 21 clicks from over 700 impressions.  Websites - http://glbse.blogspot.co.uk/ and http://redstarmining.blogspot.co.uk/

Thanks for your message. For some reason http://glbse.blogspot.co.uk/ doesn't work for me Sad

And what are your minimal income expectations?

Dailybitcoins.com charges 0.05 btc for thousand impressions. I can support you with 0.08 btc/month for leaving your affiliate code on first pages of your sites (+ affiliate and referral income from it are essentially yours). Do you accept the offer?

Regarding referrals: referral payments are 10% of bootstrap payments made by advertisers you refer.

IFRAME and JS versions of ads already contain referral link in it, but graphic ads don't.

So if you want to get referral payments but you can't use IFRAME or JS code, then you need to use the referral link from your affiliate page (feel free to modify it as you like, but leave your withdrawal address there:)).


OK thanks maybe you can't view the GLBSE page because I have a LTC mining script on it and its generating LTC so some/most people can view it.  About earning expectations well AdSense pay me over £0.80 a click but I've only had 6 AdSense clicks to the 21 Anonymous Ads clicks.

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I'm Affiliate 143Jgi4ycmHG3AUNEFTaWWTWXtAdMKNTpu and haven't received a penny in referrals  Sad  and I've only made 0.0663 from 21 clicks from over 700 impressions.  Websites - http://glbse.blogspot.co.uk/ and http://redstarmining.blogspot.co.uk/

Thanks for your message. For some reason http://glbse.blogspot.co.uk/ doesn't work for me Sad

And what are your minimal income expectations?

Dailybitcoins.com charges 0.05 btc for thousand impressions. I can support you with 0.08 btc/month for leaving your affiliate code on first pages of your sites (+ affiliate and referral income from it are essentially yours). Do you accept the offer?

Regarding referrals: referral payments are 10% of bootstrap payments made by advertisers you refer.

IFRAME and JS versions of ads already contain referral link in it, but graphic ads don't.

So if you want to get referral payments but you can't use IFRAME or JS code, then you need to use the referral link from your affiliate page (feel free to modify it as you like, but leave your withdrawal address there:)).


Hi does - http://glbse.blogspot.co.uk/ - work any better for you?  I've changed the LTC mining script.

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OK thanks maybe you can't view the GLBSE page because I have a LTC mining script on it and its generating LTC so some/most people can view it. About earning expectations well AdSense pay me over £0.80 a click but I've only had 6 AdSense clicks to the 21 Anonymous Ads clicks.

So your site generates less than 1k unique impressions/month, but your traffic is high quality and is valuable for particular advertisers, thus you expect about 1.5 btc/month for it?

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Hi does - http://glbse.blogspot.co.uk/ - work any better for you?  I've changed the LTC mining script.

Yes, it works now! Thanks!

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OK thanks maybe you can't view the GLBSE page because I have a LTC mining script on it and its generating LTC so some/most people can view it. About earning expectations well AdSense pay me over £0.80 a click but I've only had 6 AdSense clicks to the 21 Anonymous Ads clicks.

So your site generates less than 1k unique impressions/month, but your traffic is high quality and is valuable for particular advertisers, thus you expect about 1.5 btc/month for it?

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Hi does - http://glbse.blogspot.co.uk/ - work any better for you?  I've changed the LTC mining script.

Yes, it works now! Thanks!

I'd take less than 1.5BTC to be honest.

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New feature:

Everybody can submit a site now.

Anonymous Ads will periodically query the submitted sites, link them to affiliates and adjust some stats (it may take a while to see reasonable numbers there).

I will evaluate each site manually and assign a weight to it. Some of the bootstrap money will be distributed between affiliates of submitted sites with respect to this weight and affiliate's share of the site (the share is estimated automatically).

Have not decided yet how much and how often I am going to pay, but it will definitely increase the income of affiliates.

So, please submit your sites.

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what do you mean, assign a weight to it?
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Impressions:
30102
Clicks:
38

Earned from advertisers:
0.00000000 btc


am i doing something wrong?

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what do you mean, assign a weight to it?

Weight is a rough estimation of site's value. Right now I am using http://www.getwebsitevalue.com to set the value, but it can be changed any time. So you can think of it as of some arbitrary integer number. Its absolute value means nothing, but it relative value will be used to distribute bitcoins between affiliates that have their ads on those sites.

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Impressions:
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Clicks:
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Earned from advertisers:
0.00000000 btc


am i doing something wrong?

I am not sure, but probably advertisers are doing wrong not paying to you. You got registered just couple days ago, maybe they will.

Anonymous Ads doesn't pay for clicks/impressions anymore since there is no easy way for it to distinguish productive clicks and impressions from the ones generated by botnets.

Good news is that Anonymous Ads will be paying you for having your affiliate code on your sites if you add them to the list.

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Impressions:
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Clicks:
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Earned from advertisers:
0.00000000 btc


am i doing something wrong?

I am not sure, but probably advertisers are doing wrong not paying to you. You got registered just couple days ago, maybe they will.

Anonymous Ads doesn't pay for clicks/impressions anymore since there is no easy way for it to distinguish productive clicks and impressions from the ones generated by botnets.

Good news is that Anonymous Ads will be paying you for having your affiliate code on your sites if you add them to the list.

I just added my sites to the list but once I checked the list they were already on.  Sorry for the spam.

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what do you mean, assign a weight to it?

Weight is a rough estimation of site's value. Right now I am using http://www.getwebsitevalue.com to set the value, but it can be changed any time. So you can think of it as of some arbitrary integer number. Its absolute value means nothing, but it relative value will be used to distribute bitcoins between affiliates that have their ads on those sites.

are you saying that you get more money with a website that has a better value?
sorry if i'm a bit slow
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I just added my sites to the list but once I checked the list they were already on.  Sorry for the spam.

No problem, I fixed that. Thanks for participation!

what do you mean, assign a weight to it?

Weight is a rough estimation of site's value. Right now I am using http://www.getwebsitevalue.com to set the value, but it can be changed any time. So you can think of it as of some arbitrary integer number. Its absolute value means nothing, but it relative value will be used to distribute bitcoins between affiliates that have their ads on those sites.

are you saying that you get more money with a website that has a better value?
sorry if i'm a bit slow

Advertisers are supposed do the following 2 steps:
1) pay any amount to Anonymous Ads to bootstrap their ads (to get some impressions and to get connected to affiliates).
2) track bitcoin addresses passed as GET parameter and use those addresses to reward affiliates for successful visits (thus getting more impressions & visits from them)

Main source of income for affiliates should be step 2. But for some reason it doesn't work: most advertisers don't do step 2.

So I need to spend money received at step 1 to support affiliates for showing ads.

However (unlike advertisers) I can't detect successful visits to reward affiliates. And I don't want to pay botnets for fake clicks and impressions.

So I am developing a solution to reward affiliates with respect to weights of sites they have their codes on. Affiliates that advertise on sites with positive weights will receive additional support (proportional to 'weight' and 'health' of sites, and affiliate's 'share' of those sites).

Sorry for the long message... did it answer you question?

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gotcha, thanks

yeah if you don't have an interface programmed to track those, it's too difficult I suppose

too bad cause it was a good concept
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gotcha, thanks

yeah if you don't have an interface programmed to track those, it's too difficult I suppose

too bad cause it was a good concept

Well... I have some php example for tracking it (https://github.com/arsenische/aaap), and I plan to develop even simpler mechanism, but I need some time to think it over. My first priority right now is to resume payments to affiliates. So I am working on that feature now, plan to finish in couple days. I hope that affiliates add their sites by that time.

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Ok, now affiliate's earnings consist of 3 sources of income:
1) earnings from advertisers -- that's what advertisers pay for successful visits or impressions (or just to encourage new impressions)
2) earnings from referrals -- that's what Anonymous Ads pays for attracting advertisers that deposit to bootsrap their ads
3) earnings from sites -- that's what Anonymous Ads pays for having affiliate code on the evaluated sites

When advertiser makes a bootstrap payment, 10% goes to affiliate that attracted the advertiser (affiliate #1 by default) and 50% is being distributed between affiliates that have their codes on the listed sites. I am testing this feature now, so affiliates that have their sites listed will receive some btc eventually Smiley

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New feature:

Advertisers can reward affiliates that advertise on listed sites to encourage more impressions & clicks from them.

Advertisers can either manually select desired site and send any amount of bitcoins to its reward address, or they can use btcrelay service to pay to the weighted list of connected affiliates with sites.

Please see "Sites" tab of Ad's page.

PS: it needs testing, please don't risk large amounts Smiley

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Just found this, Looks nice.

use my refcode.

no grandfathering me the sigs for img :/

Please advertise with Anonymous Ads


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arsenische, you've accepted an ad on your service that says, "8GB Extra Dropbox Space  →  Pay what you want/can; No set price!"

On Freelancer.com, users are getting hustled by job posters who have them jumping through hoops to complete prequalifications for getting hired: pass an online typing test and send them a screenshot of the results, and sign up under them for a Free DropBox account "to receive work files".  None of the applicants are hired.  The same job is then posted and reposted under various dummy accounts, with tens and twenties of hungry applicants getting scammed by it.  For each one that signs up, the referring DropBox user receives 1 GB of additional free space.

Just wanted to let you know what you were enabling with that ad.   Smiley
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Just found this, Looks nice.

use my refcode.

no grandfathering me the sigs for img :/

Please advertise with Anonymous Ads


Thanks!

I think it is better to use your "http://anonymousads.com?partner=16ArAjNzaiHxKZqdu735y9vce96VxDCf6V" link instead of "http://anonymousads.com/userbar/195/click" in your signature.

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arsenische, you've accepted an ad on your service that says, "8GB Extra Dropbox Space  →  Pay what you want/can; No set price!"

On Freelancer.com, users are getting hustled by job posters who have them jumping through hoops to complete prequalifications for getting hired: pass an online typing test and send them a screenshot of the results, and sign up under them for a Free DropBox account "to receive work files".  None of the applicants are hired.  The same job is then posted and reposted under various dummy accounts, with tens and twenties of hungry applicants getting scammed by it.  For each one that signs up, the referring DropBox user receives 1 GB of additional free space.

Just wanted to let you know what you were enabling with that ad.   Smiley

Satori, thanks for your message. I was a little worried about this ad (you can see a little discussion here), that is why I set it rating of 50. I assume affiliates that allow gambling would be tolerant to this kind of service. If you don't want to see this ad, use affiliates with rating higher than 50.

Frankly speaking I am not sure what to do with it. Maybe this ad can be considered SCAM, in that case I should probably set its rating to somewhare about 20, so that most affiliates never show it. I don't have any strict guidelines yet. What do you think?

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Well if it is a scam then why shouldn't you delete it? In any case you are both helping user not to fall in a scam and your ad network to remain clean. But just make sure it's a real scam, don't wanna kick someone legit.

(at the same time I realize that in an anonymous ad network users should be smart enough to check always for scams regardless of what the ad network owner does about them, so in theory it would be better if we could let the network run itself but since you are just starting, maybe you should take care of scams yourself)  Smiley
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Frankly speaking I am not sure what to do with it. Maybe this ad can be considered SCAM, in that case I should probably set its rating to somewhare about 20, so that most affiliates never show it. I don't have any strict guidelines yet. What do you think?

Hmm.  That's a difficult question.  Were it me, knowing what I know about how people are getting money by raising false hopes of people who are looking for work, and wasting their time, I wouldn't accept the ad.  Morally, that's probably worse than merely being opportunistic at a large corporation's bonus offer.  To my thinking, they knew they were running that risk - or certainly should have known - when they made that promotional offer, and made it anyway.

But I am not you.  My sense of Right vs. Wrong appears to be a lot stricter than those around me: I've been living off the grid for over a decade rather than subsidize a lot of the things the federal government has been doing (slaughtering Iraqi civilians, playing gofer for the Israelis, building an estimated 600-800 "FEMA" concentration camps within the U.S.).  Because it would be wrong of me to be a party to those things (treason, in fact), I refuse to do it.  And must take the brunt of the repercussions for that choice: Can't work reliably while off the grid, and homeless as a result.  If everyone made the same caliber of choices I do, our government wouldn't be doing what it does, out of sheer necessity to collect tax revenues.  But they don't, and I encounter what I do because the rest of society doesn't boycott things I consider Wrong.  Wrong begins when you knowingly and avoidably cause harm to another.  Either directly, or through being a knowing accomplice.

So it's not my place to tell you what decision for your own domain is the right one.  I would proffer the suggestion that your site policies should probably be an expression of your personal moral standards as much as possible.  If at that point you're dissatisfied with the quality of one of those - in either direction - you may want to adjust the other to match as well.

Well if it is a scam then why shouldn't you delete it? In any case you are both helping user not to fall in a scam and your ad network to remain clean.

Were it me, that's what I think I would do.  But it's not, and it's tough to make a decision based on profits and needs that I don't actually have.

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But just make sure it's a real scam, don't wanna kick someone legit.

Bingo.  There's the rub.

We know that some people are offering promotions like that by defrauding large swaths of unemployed people actively seeking work.  We do not know that moredropbox is doing that.  We can probably agree that it's probably pretty likely.  If this tactic turns out to be against arsenische's ad standards, then due diligence on arsenische's part would probably require an inquiry into the moredropbox' business practices.  I.e., "It's been called into question; show me how you're doing this or have your ad rejected / downgraded / etc."  Having a moral standard means acting on it; whether arsenische opts to have that standard or not isn't for me to impose.

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(at the same time I realize that in an anonymous ad network users should be smart enough to check always for scams regardless of what the ad network owner does about them, so in theory it would be better if we could let the network run itself but since you are just starting, maybe you should take care of scams yourself)  Smiley

Yes, and no.

Users have a responsibility not to send 100 Bitcoins to the first Nigerian scammer they happen to find a link to, anywhere.  But an ad network also has an implied responsibility not only not to become a getaway driver for scams, but also to ensure a certain degree of quality for the ads it accepts.  It's sort of like the attractive nuisance laws in real life (i.e., "Your rusty playset on your lawn attracted my kids to start playing on it, and now they have tetanus").  To what extent an ad network does that determines, in part, whether it's considered a high-class establishment or a rickety internet death-trap.  In the online world there isn't a lot of actual legal liability, but users - and advertisers - notice which it is and on that basis determine whether they read or place ads there.

That works in either direction: High-class advertisers won't publish on a rickety internet death-trap, but there are plenty of scammers out there who will take their place.  It all depends on what sort of business arsenische has in mind, what his or her financial need level is, and what the caliber of his or her self-image will allow arsenische to accept or reject.

And that's not a judgement against you either way, arsenischePart of being a society of free, mature and responsible people means having the right to make choices, live with them, and decide whether we like the results they bring us.  A large part of society's detriment has been due to a tyrannous effort to childproof our choices, to let someone else make them for us, so that we never get the chance to grow and learn.  If I tried to do that, even by trying to force some position of implied moral superiority on you, I'd only be doing the same thing myself.
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TL:Did Read  Wink

Yeah, I'm taking night courses at Twitter University to trim some of my posts.   Smiley
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Thanks for your opinions, but I would prefer to avoid:

1. removing ads without any notice and explanation (errors can irreversibly harm innocent people).

2. blocking paid ad without a refund (I don't know easy and reliable way to refund anonymous advertisers).

3. penalizing anonymous advertisers for some gossip about their behaviour (it is none of my business what anonymous advertisers and affiliates do outside anonymousads.com).

Personally I don't like this ad because it can be considered to be a fraud against Dropbox. But I am not sure if it is illegal and I shouldn't impose my moral standards on everybody.

I think affiliates should decide what is appropriate for their sites and what is not (and I should enable them doing it).

Right now there is a simple mechanism for rating-based ad filtration. Affiliates specify filtration level upon registration. If they set it to 0 then they accept things that are commonly considered to be more controversial than porn and drugs. If they set it to 100, then they accept only safe ads.

Regarding this particular ad, I've set a rating value to 50. Affiliates that accept gambling would probably accept this risky ad too. If this is not the case, I can lower the rating to 40 (porn), 30 (drugs) or even lower.

I set negative ratings only to ads that are obviously erroneous or dangerous (such as broken links and viruses).

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some of my links may be broken for a couple days while i fix some hosting issues.

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Just found this, Looks nice.

use my refcode.

no grandfathering me the sigs for img :/

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I think it is better to use your "http://anonymousads.com?partner=16ArAjNzaiHxKZqdu735y9vce96VxDCf6V" link instead of "http://anonymousads.com/userbar/195/click" in your signature.

both addresses are me.  I made the first one and thought I could change the filter levels later.  then saw it seemed to be locked so I made the second one.

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Just found this, Looks nice.

use my refcode.

no grandfathering me the sigs for img :/

Please advertise with Anonymous Ads


Thanks!

I think it is better to use your "http://anonymousads.com?partner=16ArAjNzaiHxKZqdu735y9vce96VxDCf6V" link instead of "http://anonymousads.com/userbar/195/click" in your signature.

both addresses are me.  I made the first one and thought I could change the filter levels later.  then saw it seemed to be locked so I made the second one.

It is ok to make as many addresses as you need. What I am talking about is that the link in your signature is not a referral link. You can click it and see what happens. You referral link should be anonymousads.com?partner=<your affiliate's withdrawal address> -- in that case you receive 10% of bootstrap deposits of advertisers you attract with it.


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Also nice job,  Much more convenient than opfab.

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Just found this, Looks nice.

use my refcode.

no grandfathering me the sigs for img :/

Please advertise with Anonymous Ads


Thanks!

I think it is better to use your "http://anonymousads.com?partner=16ArAjNzaiHxKZqdu735y9vce96VxDCf6V" link instead of "http://anonymousads.com/userbar/195/click" in your signature.

both addresses are me.  I made the first one and thought I could change the filter levels later.  then saw it seemed to be locked so I made the second one.

It is ok to make as many addresses as you need. What I am talking about is that the link in your signature is not a referral link. You can click it and see what happens. You referral link should be anonymousads.com?partner=<your affiliate's withdrawal address> -- in that case you receive 10% of bootstrap deposits of advertisers you attract with it.



oh that, I was trying to get regular ads to show up, but I guess the no images rule broke that, was trying to find a way around it, but gave up, I'm not as familiar with html as I'd like to be.

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oh that, I was trying to get regular ads to show up, but I guess the no images rule broke that, was trying to find a way around it, but gave up, I'm not as familiar with html as I'd like to be.

unfortunately bitcoin forum doesn't allow images in signatures anymore.. and AA doesn't connect ads to affiliates that don't display ads.. so if you want your link to point to the list of ads, you'll need to invest (or fake) some impressions to get connected...

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Advertisers are supposed do the following 2 steps:
1) pay any amount to Anonymous Ads to bootstrap their ads (to get some impressions and to get connected to affiliates).
2) track bitcoin addresses passed as GET parameter and use those addresses to reward affiliates for successful visits (thus getting more impressions & visits from them)

Main source of income for affiliates should be step 2. But for some reason it doesn't work: most advertisers don't do step 2.

So I need to spend money received at step 1 to support affiliates for showing ads.

However (unlike advertisers) I can't detect successful visits to reward affiliates. And I don't want to pay botnets for fake clicks and impressions.

Is there some reason the links in ads can't clickthrough to your site, which would then redirect the user to the advertisers'?

Seems like you could track visits to your own pages rather easily.
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Advertisers are supposed do the following 2 steps:
1) pay any amount to Anonymous Ads to bootstrap their ads (to get some impressions and to get connected to affiliates).
2) track bitcoin addresses passed as GET parameter and use those addresses to reward affiliates for successful visits (thus getting more impressions & visits from them)

Main source of income for affiliates should be step 2. But for some reason it doesn't work: most advertisers don't do step 2.

So I need to spend money received at step 1 to support affiliates for showing ads.

However (unlike advertisers) I can't detect successful visits to reward affiliates. And I don't want to pay botnets for fake clicks and impressions.

Is there some reason the links in ads can't clickthrough to your site, which would then redirect the user to the advertisers'?

Seems like you could track visits to your own pages rather easily.

I do track the visits. The list of tracked bitcoin addresses with amount of unique clicks during the last <billing cycle> days is available in csv format, the link is on the Ad's stats page (e.g. http://anonymousads.com/ad/1/stats).

But I can't distinguish successful visits from the ones generated by scripts or botnets. Advertisers should pay only for clicks that help them to reach their business goals. Only they know what successful visit is.

I plan to add a new feature to simplify their job. Here is a brief description:

1. advertiser accesses AA via https, enters the captcha
2. AA generates unique PHP code for advertiser
3. advertiser embeds this code into his/her goal page
4. when visitor opens the goal page, this code will sign & send info about successful visit to anonymous ads
5. advertiser can access report of successful visits and reward affiliates for them

Later support for other (non-PHP) server platforms can be added.

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Oh, you seem to have got it then.  Are you using a CMS yourself?  If so, there may be a script for that.  If there isn't one, once you have one coded you may be able to sell it as a digital good and recoup your investment for the coding.

If you don't have the funds for coding the script, I suggest GLBSE.  They just went into Beta about a week ago.
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Oh, you seem to have got it then.  Are you using a CMS yourself?  If so, there may be a script for that.  If there isn't one, once you have one coded you may be able to sell it as a digital good and recoup your investment for the coding.

If you don't have the funds for coding the script, I suggest GLBSE.  They just went into Beta about a week ago.

No, I am not using CMS. Hmm... CMS plugin that would allow to track bitcoin addresses is an interesting idea! I do have some free php example here, but maybe wordpress/joomla/drupal plugin would be a better option.

Regarding GLBSE, I issued AA asset few days ago... Didn't advertise it though because I am not sure how many I want to sell and what price should be.

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I plan to add a new feature to simplify their job. Here is a brief description:

1. advertiser accesses AA via https, enters the captcha
2. AA generates unique PHP code for advertiser
3. advertiser embeds this code into his/her goal page
4. when visitor opens the goal page, this code will sign & send info about successful visit to anonymous ads
5. advertiser can access report of successful visits and reward affiliates for them

Later support for other (non-PHP) server platforms can be added.

The feature added in some simplified manner: AA doesn't generate unique PHP code for advertiser (it generates only RSA keypair). But there is an explanation and simple PHP example. I also added some explanations for affiliates and for advertisers.

If you decide to embed goal tracking into your PHP site - please let me know, I can help you.

If you port it to some other language or make CMS module and don't mind publishing it - please let me know too Smiley

So, now theoretically advertisers have an easier way to track visitors' actions and reward affiliates. I hope it works on practice.

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do websites that accept porn adds make more money? you have some stats maybe?
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Updated original post just to make it nicer and to remove old stuff.

do websites that accept porn adds make more money? you have some stats maybe?

I think they do. Higher the filtration level -- lower the competition between advertisers (because less advertisers qualify the filtration criteria). On the other hand some advertisers could reward particular safe sites to get more impressions from them. All the stats are in the database that is published daily. I don't have convenient tool to visualize them yet.

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Dangit, I forgot to add my site to your list and I didn't remember to do it until now.

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@Matoking: sorry to hear that.. I hope you catch up quickly.. maybe this little promotion attracts more money Smiley

New promotion for advertisers

First 5 ads that successfully set up and use AA's goal tracking feature to reward affiliates will receive 1 btc to their deposit addresses.

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After setting up your advertsing on a blog I think this is spot on. Glad to hear your listed on Glbse also. Im in.
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After setting up your advertsing on a blog I think this is spot on. Glad to hear your listed on Glbse also. Im in.

Thanks )

New promotion for advertisers

First 5 ads that successfully set up and use AA's goal tracking feature to reward affiliates will receive 1 btc to their deposit addresses.


1 advertiser installed goal tracking (http://anonymousads.com/goal/6) and received 1 btc to bootstrap his ad.

4 btc left.

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Hi, friends!

I can see that several competitors of Anonymous Ads appeared within last few days. They all are quite decent and promising services and I wish them good luck.

But I don't want to loose the competition, so I need to accelerate development of Anonymous Ads. Many things need to be done: create unique design, develop many new features, improve usability, scalability and reliability. I hope to do it during a month or two. I believe that when it is "ready", it should magically become very popular (if not - then some marketing needs to be done too).

So now I am trying to raise 1000 btc via selling 10% share of future profits at GLBSE.

It is only ~5000 USD (that is an average monthly salary of american software developer) for 10% of future profits (that could be.. well.. i don't really want to compare it with AdSense...Wink).

There are 100000 AA shares issued at GLBSE. I currently own ~99930 shares, and ~70 has been sold to random people at random prices. I just created a sell order for 10000 shares (that is 10% of all the issued shares) at 0.1 btc/share.

So you if you want to help AA - buy some shares. It could be a nice investment opportunity. I promise to be very careful & responsible with your investments Smiley

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Hi, friends!

I can see that several competitors of Anonymous Ads appeared within last few days. They all are quite decent and promising services and I wish them good luck.

But I don't want to loose the competition, so I need to accelerate development of Anonymous Ads. Many things need to be done: create unique design, develop many new features, improve usability, scalability and reliability. I hope to do it during a month or two. I believe that when it is "ready", it should magically become very popular (if not - then some marketing needs to be done too).

So now I am trying to raise 1000 btc via selling 10% share of future profits at GLBSE.

It is only ~5000 USD (that is an average monthly salary of american software developer) for 10% of future profits (that could be.. well.. i don't really want to compare it with AdSense...Wink).

There are 100000 AA shares issued at GLBSE. I currently own ~99930 shares, and ~70 has been sold to random people at random prices. I just created a sell order for 10000 shares (that is 10% of all the issued shares) at 0.1 btc/share.

So you if you want to help AA - buy some shares. It could be a nice investment opportunity. I promise to be very careful & responsible with your investments Smiley
You're valuing your startup advertising service at $50,000?

What is your current monthly profit?  How much growth do you see in the future?  What is the total market for Bitcoin advertising?
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You're valuing your startup advertising service at $50,000?

What is your current monthly profit?  How much growth do you see in the future?  What is the total market for Bitcoin advertising?

Good questions.

I haven't created any accounting and financial reports. But the system if transparent, everybody can see that advertisers paid almost 160 btc in total (124 btc to bootstrap ads + 33 btc paid to affiliates). Currently at least 40% of bootstrap money is profit, so total profit can be estimated as 64 btc. Though the main advertiser is me with ad #1 (56 btc deposited) and I have spent something on hosting, domain name, advertising with other services, etc, and I spend my time supporting it.. So I wouldn't say it has any monthly profit.

But I can say that it shows ads to about 25-30 thousand unique IPs according to site stats and about 260 thousands daily hits according to apache logs analyzed by webalizer. And this number gradually grows. I hope that the growth will become exponential when I solve usability and scalability issues.


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Created Anonymous Ads group at coinconnect.org. You are welcome to use it for discussions too Smiley

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New feature: simple search mechanism. Now you can find ad, affiliate, site, relay (reward address) or goal by substring of some of their attributes. And also for each reward address you can see the linked Ad and Affiliate.

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New feature: advertisers can now get connected to affiliates they choose and to get a lot of impressions for insanely low prices (though it may change quickly).

To do so, just find the desired Affiliate and enter Ad# to create (or find) a relay that connects that Ad to that Affiliate.

You can use search to find affiliates related to sites.

For example, let's say you want to show ad #109 on some site which has "anon" in its url. You can do the following:

1) use search mechanism to find the desired site
2) navigate to affiliate that shows ads on that site, see estimation of advertising cost (~0.001 btc/day for 45% of impressions currently, but it can change anytime depending on advertisers' behaviour)
3) type in ad # and captcha, press "Get reward address" (you'll be redirected to the corresponding relay page)
4) see Ad's reward score for that Affiliate and the estimated percentage of impressions Ad receives from Affiliate
6) deposit any amount to Reward address to proportionally increase the reward score and that percentage


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New feature: Anonymous Ads sends user agent = "Anonymous Ads" to HTTP server when it checks the listed sites.

Site owners can use it to serve a special version of the web page in case if they can't show ads on the exact URL specified in the list (e.g. they allow NSFW ads but need to show a warning before showing them, or URL corresponds to a frameset or swf application).

Please don't misuse this feature: sites that don't show ads to people but serve it for AA bot can be penalized or (I don't like this word) banned.

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Is it possible to add my Chrome extension to the list of sites? The ads appear on the little popup that appears when you click on the extension button but the popup doesn't have a URL to put into the "new site" page.

You can see the screenshots here: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/fblekdojabihjdhndhmloalbcnnejddl to see where the ad appears.

BTW I have limited the height of the ad so that image ads are not that intrusive but I believe this is no problem as the worst that can happen is that image ads are clicked less often and thus pay me less and thus appear less often.
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Is it possible to add my Chrome extension to the list of sites? The ads appear on the little popup that appears when you click on the extension button but the popup doesn't have a URL to put into the "new site" page.

You can see the screenshots here: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/fblekdojabihjdhndhmloalbcnnejddl to see where the ad appears.


Chrome extension is not a site, but it definitely deserves to be seen by advertisers. Maybe in future I develop a feature to list alternative ad places, but currently I suggest that you create a single page site (at least a forum/blog post) devoted to it and embed the same affiliate code into it. You could explain there that that ad is shown on extension too. The link to that site (or post) can be added to the site list.

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BTW I have limited the height of the ad so that image ads are not that intrusive but I believe this is no problem as the worst that can happen is that image ads are clicked less often and thus pay me less and thus appear less often.

I keep in mind that affiliates need a better control for the ads they display. I think I will come with a solution some day, just need to find time and set priorities Smiley

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Is it possible to add my Chrome extension to the list of sites? The ads appear on the little popup that appears when you click on the extension button but the popup doesn't have a URL to put into the "new site" page.

You can see the screenshots here: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/fblekdojabihjdhndhmloalbcnnejddl to see where the ad appears.


Chrome extension is not a site, but it definitely deserves to be seen by advertisers. Maybe in future I develop a feature to list alternative ad places, but currently I suggest that you create a single page site (at least a forum/blog post) devoted to it and embed the same affiliate code into it. You could explain there that that ad is shown on extension too. The link to that site (or post) can be added to the site list.
Sure I'll make then a blog page or blog post about it with the ad on it and paste than instead.
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I keep in mind that affiliates need a better control for the ads they display. I think I will come with a solution some day, just need to find time and set priorities Smiley
Don't worry THAT much about that. I am fine with my solution for the time being. I would have used the <script> version of the ad but IIRC there was some problem embedding external scripts that call document.write into extension popups.
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Javascript version of affiliate's code can work asynchronously now (that means it shouldn't slow down loading of affiliate's page).

Affiliates that use js-code might be interested in adding defer and async attributes to it, e.g.:

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<script src='http://anonymousads.com/a/1?js' defer='defer' async='async'></script>

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I'm having trouble understanding how to reward affiliates. If their address is passed to my server in the URL, can't I just directly send them a commission when a user purchases something (in my case)? Why do I need to create goals on your page and sign stuff with RSA keys?

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I am pretty sure you can do what you say. Goals are optional.
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Yes, they are optional. Goals (and RSA keys) are for those who don't want to modify their databases and to maintain the lists of affiliates on their sites.

You can reward affiliates for sales. That is the recommended way of doing it.

But if you don't have enough impressions or sales yet, you can reward affiliates for nothing just to get more impressions from them. I would reward affiliates that advertise on particular sites (you can also search them).

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Alright, thanks. This sounds great!

I tried CoinURL for advertising the other day, but I'm fairly disappointed. About 75% of visitors are most likely fraudulent, and there is zero interest whatsoever; so a way of rewarding successful sales makes me beam with excitement!

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I tried CoinURL for advertising the other day, but I'm fairly disappointed. About 75% of visitors are most likely fraudulent
Yes, we got bunch of fake clicks, but almost all of them are being removed from the database each day after analysis and are NOT counted.
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Long ago there was a post that explains the algorithm of ad selection.

I am writing this new post to inform that today this algorithm was modified. Ad's probability of being shown doesn't depend on past impressions now. It only depends on reward score (that is <amount of btc rewarded to affiliate during ad's billing cycle>/<amount of days in ad's billing cycle>). Here is the new query of ad selection (responsible for ~90% of ad impressions):

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SELECT * FROM Relays WHERE affiliateAddress=$affiliateAddress ORDER BY rand()/(1+activeRewardScore) limit 1

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This also means that it only picks the best one and not one at random (weighted by activeRewardScore)?
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This also means that it only picks the best one and not one at random (weighted by activeRewardScore)?

It picks weighted random (see "rand()/(1+activeRewardScore)").

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New feature: non-unique clicks and impressions on the stat's page.

Anonymous Ads used to count only impressions with IPs that are unique for the whole advertising network.

So if some visitor saw (or clicked) some ad from one affiliate, and then within 24 hours saw (or clicked) some other ad from another affiliate, the latter impression (or click) wouldn't be counted. Thus according to stats Anonymous Ads shows ads to almost 30k unique IPs daily.

And now non-unique impressions and clicks are counted too and are shown on site stats page.

You can see, that according to current stats only 15% of all impressions are unique.

That means if your ad has 1500 unique impressions, it might have in fact 10000 total impressions including fake ones (though I don't think affiliates have enough incentive to generate many fake clicks and impressions since they are usually not paid for it).

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Great job, Arsenische

Here's an idea: what about instead of linking to AnonymousAds.com in every ad, linking instead directly to the site's page, the one that contains "Advertiser! Pay any amount to get impressions from this affiliate..."

About the weight system, do you think it's a fair system? if an advertiser pays to advertise for a website in particular from the page I mentionned earlier, does his money can go to some other website's pocket because of a bigger 'weight'? I'm asking because I see a huge different in 'weight', between 20 and 15000
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Here's an idea: what about instead of linking to AnonymousAds.com in every ad, linking instead directly to the site's page, the one that contains "Advertiser! Pay any amount to get impressions from this affiliate..."

Thanks for your feedback, Bro, I was thinking about it too. Or maybe there should be 2 links: "Ads by Anonyous Ads" and "Your ad here". Also maybe there should be a nicer landing page for potential advertisers of your site. I plan to work on this soon. Currently you can just place a link "Your ad here" to send visitors to your affiliate's page.

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About the weight system, do you think it's a fair system? if an advertiser pays to advertise for a website in particular from the page I mentionned earlier, does his money can go to some other website's pocket because of a bigger 'weight'?

No, all the money that advertiser pays to affiliate's reward address goes to that particular affiliate (AA takes a small fee of 0.001 btc upon each affiliate's withdrawal).

Weights are used only in 2 cases:
1) when advertisers pay AA to bootstrap ads (10% of bootstrap money goes to affiliate that attracted the advertiser, and 50% of bootstrap money goes to affiliates with respect to their sites' weights).
2) when advertisers use "Pay for sites" feature.

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I see a huge different in 'weight', between 20 and 15000

But there is also a huge difference between sites that generate 20 and 15000 unique impressions monthly (though I don't assign weights based on impressions since they  don't represent the value of the traffic).

Weight system can't be 100% fair since AA can't know how much revenue particular affiliate generates to advertisers. It is not intended to be the main source of income for affiliates (and ideally there should be no such mechanism at all) so think of it as of a temporary mechanism for supporting affiliates that show ads on sites.

I plan to rework a lot of things in AA to make it more convenient for advertisers and more profitable for affiliates, but it will take time.

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Does AA support https? Our site runs purely on https and we can't have anything there that isn't https. We ran into this problem with bitcoinadvertisers and they don't support https right now.

We could probably make http ads work with some work but we don't have time to implement a workaround right now.

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Thanks for your question. Only graphic version supports https currently (just replace http with https in your affiliate code). I will add support to other codes too.

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Thanks for your question. Only graphic version supports https currently (just replace http with https in your affiliate code). I will add support to other codes too.
Thanks for the answer Smiley We're mainly interested in text ads but it's good to hear that you're adding support. Our site will most likely be displaying your ads soon.

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arsenische drop us a line when you allow https for script ads etc cause I am switching bittit.info to enforced https and I need that too. :-)
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arsenische drop us a line when you allow https for script ads etc cause I am switching bittit.info to enforced https and I need that too. :-)

ok.. here is the new feature: https support

you can just replace http with https, it should work (or use generic links without specifying the protocol, e.g. //anonymousads.com)

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ok.. here is the new feature: https support

you can just replace http with https, it should work (or use generic links without specifying the protocol, e.g. //anonymousads.com)
Great! My site will probably be displaying your ads soon.

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Hi, I tried running an ad and have a small problem.  The end of my url ends in a number so that I can track an ad's performance.  This number is being appended so that instead of getting e.g. 34 I'm getting clicks from 341, 3413, etc.  This is messing up my performance tools and I'll have a harder time determining whether to continue using your service.

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Hi, I tried running an ad and have a small problem.  The end of my url ends in a number so that I can track an ad's performance.  This number is being appended so that instead of getting e.g. 34 I'm getting clicks from 341, 3413, etc.  This is messing up my performance tools and I'll have a harder time determining whether to continue using your service.

Hi, thanks for your feedback!

Yes, there is a feature: ad's url is being appended with bitcoin address that corresponds to reward address of affiliate who brought a visit to you.

I am not sure how your performance tool works. If it works for any url of your site, it will show performance of each affiliate separately and you may choose whom to reward to get more impressions. If it takes some id in url, then you could probably append your ad link with "#", "?" or "&" to separate it from the bitcoin address which is being added by AA.

I should have made this behavior optional, but it is not yet. Sorry for inconvenience, I will fix it in near future.

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I will evaluate each site manually and assign a weight to it. Some of the bootstrap money will be distributed between affiliates of submitted sites with respect to this weight and affiliate's share of the site (the share is estimated automatically).
How often is this weight reevaluated ? Some sites seem to have insanely high weights compared to their amount of visits and clicks, for instance: http://anonymousads.com/affiliate/439 and http://anonymousads.com/affiliate/423 vs http://anonymousads.com/affiliate/447

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I will evaluate each site manually and assign a weight to it. Some of the bootstrap money will be distributed between affiliates of submitted sites with respect to this weight and affiliate's share of the site (the share is estimated automatically).
How often is this weight reevaluated ? Some sites seem to have insanely high weights compared to their amount of visits and clicks, for instance: http://anonymousads.com/affiliate/439 and http://anonymousads.com/affiliate/423 vs http://anonymousads.com/affiliate/447

Thanks for your question!

Weight is not directly related to amount of clicks or impressions (as all this data can be faked).

Weight represents the relative value of site from my point of view (I can use various tools to estimate it or do it subjectively).

It can't be 100% fair, but it is not intended to be the main source of income for affiliates.

Reevaluation happens time to time manually, it is not automated yet. If you feel that your site is undervalued in comparison with others - please send me a private message with your arguments and desired weight value.

Btw, affiliates mentioned by you got registered recently and didn't have enough time to generate many unique clicks and impressions, moreover amount of non-unique impressions is about 6 times higher than amount of unique impressions shown on affiliate's page.

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I can't really pretend I know how much my site should be weighted, particularly since I'm quite new to this system, but I think I can make fairly good guesses at whether or not it should be weighted higher or lower compared to the sites I mentioned previously. Will send a few details via PM tomorrow (or maybe I should wait a bit more - have all those sites already be manually weighted in the first place ?).

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I can't really pretend I know how much my site should be weighted, particularly since I'm quite new to this system, but I think I can make fairly good guesses at whether or not it should be weighted higher or lower compared to the sites I mentioned previously. Will send a few details via PM tomorrow (or maybe I should wait a bit more - have all those sites already be manually weighted in the first place ?).

Yes, all sites with positive weight have been weighted. Please let me know your thoughts, I appreciate any help in evaluating them ) Thanks!

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If anyone want to use anonymous ads in Phonegap apps for Android remember to include https://anonymousads.com to the cordova.xml file as an extra <access origin="https://anonymousads.com*"/>
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Just wondering: what's with the new huge fonts in the text ads? Bug or new "feature"?
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I will put this ad system on my list to try next at http://bitcoingamelist.com

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Just wondering: what's with the new huge fonts in the text ads? Bug or new "feature"?

This is just a new version of twitter bootstrap... Is it bad?

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Just wondering: what's with the new huge fonts in the text ads? Bug or new "feature"?

This is just a new version of twitter bootstrap... Is it bad?
Well, it seems much bigger so the longest ads don't fit in the allocated space anymore. It also tends to mismatch the usual smaller font of websites or of other ad networks... Doesn't really look good IMO (and doesn't match the preview, too):
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Just wondering: what's with the new huge fonts in the text ads? Bug or new "feature"?

This is just a new version of twitter bootstrap... Is it bad?
Well, it seems much bigger so the longest ads don't fit in the allocated space anymore. It also tends to mismatch the usual smaller font of websites or of other ad networks... Doesn't really look good IMO (and doesn't match the preview, too):


Thank you for your feedback! I think I fixed the font size.

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Spelling error: "Sorry, couldn't determine redirection link (your browser ingored a cookie?). Please select the ad from the list."

And BTW that error showed when I clicked your sig link.

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Spelling error: "Sorry, couldn't determine redirection link (your browser ingored a cookie?). Please select the ad from the list."

typo fixed, thanks..

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And BTW that error showed when I clicked your sig link.

Strange... does your browser accept cookies? is there a cookie named "ad_unit_1" for site "anonymousads.com"? (if yes, could you please send me its content?)

Thanks!

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Well I figured ABP might be screwing it up, but even after disabling it I still only have the following cookies:

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However I think I do block third-party cookies, if that makes a difference.

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However I think I do block third-party cookies, if that makes a difference.

Well, then it explains everything. When your browser requests an image (http://anonymousads.com/userbar/1 in this case), the server chooses the image and sends the cookie to your browser.. So when you click the link, it knows what image has been shown to you and how to redirect you to the advertiser's site. If your browser doesn't accept cookies, this mechanism wouldn't work and you get redirected to the list of ads to choose the one you need manually.


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However I think I do block third-party cookies, if that makes a difference.

Well, then it explains everything. When your browser requests an image (http://anonymousads.com/userbar/1 in this case), the server chooses the image and sends the cookie to your browser.. So when you click the link, it knows where to redirect. If you don't accept cookies, this mechanism wouldn't work and you get redirected to the list of ads to choose the one you need manually.


I see so that only affects image links? Because I do accept first party and session cookies.

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Yes, it affects only image links (since they are static, but should redirect to different locations based on the image shown).

Links for text ads don't depend on cookies as they are generated on the server side.

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It's funny how I started making more bitcoins with Anonymous Ads after I closed BitCrate. Smiley

Looks like the site has become a lot more popular with advertisers recently.

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New feature 1: Anonymous Ads shows ads only on languages accepted by visitor's browser. If there is no such ad then "Your ad here" link will be displayed (translated to the visitor's language). That link points to affiliate's page thus allowing to buy ads from particular affiliate.

New feature 2: New version of affiliate code. It works faster and reduces load on AA server. Please use it.

Current AA status: AA server is under heavy load, the following effects are possible:
1. Reduced availability and responsiveness of the main site.
2. Reduced availability and responsiveness of ad server for affiliates with old code.
3. Delayed bitcoin transaction (for both: reception and withdrawal).
4. Delayed (and thus distorted) statistics.

If you are AA's affiliate, you can help by updating affiliate code on your sites.

Thanks in advance and sorry for inconvenience.

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I tried using the new JavaScript code, and http://validator.w3.org complained that there is no "data-aa" attribute for the script element. Do you think you could provide valid XHTML 1.1 option?

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I tried using the new JavaScript code, and http://validator.w3.org complained that there is no "data-aa" attribute for the script element. Do you think you could provide valid XHTML 1.1 option?

Yes, please see the newer version of affiliate code. Should be xhtml 1.1 compliant Smiley

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I tried using the new JavaScript code, and http://validator.w3.org complained that there is no "data-aa" attribute for the script element. Do you think you could provide valid XHTML 1.1 option?

Yes, please see the newer version of affiliate code. Should be xhtml 1.1 compliant Smiley

Thanks, but "class" isn't defined for scripts, either. The only allowed ones are "id", "charset", "type" (which you're missing, btw), "src" and "defer" (see http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/SCHEMA/xhtml-script-1.xsd).
I just checked, and all elements you use can have an "id" attribute (I didn't check "iframe", since that isn't valid in standard XHTML 1.1, anyway). If you want to make sure, just check for both; that way affiliates can simply choose whichever they want, especially if they want to use one that doesn't have an "id" (did any of those have "class"?).

Here's a small patch to do that, just to make sure I'm not being to incoherent for you to understand me (I'm *really* tired ATM): Tongue
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    var elementSig = element.getAttribute("data-aa");

The missing "type" and superfluous "async" aren't critical, as they don't seem to affect the displayed ad and I can simply correct them. Also, in your current version of the code, you're missing some "https:" prefixes to complete the URLs.

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i don't get much traffic so i don't think i'm having much of an affect, i'll get around to it this week.

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i don't get much traffic so i don't think i'm having much of an affect, i'll get around to it this week.

Even if you don't get much traffic, I believe every bit counts; furthermore, ads are loading very slowly (and may not load at all) with the old affiliate code, which means that from your not-much-traffic even fewer people will see the ads.

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I tried using the new JavaScript code, and http://validator.w3.org complained that there is no "data-aa" attribute for the script element. Do you think you could provide valid XHTML 1.1 option?

Yes, please see the newer version of affiliate code. Should be xhtml 1.1 compliant Smiley

Thanks, but "class" isn't defined for scripts, either. The only allowed ones are "id", "charset", "type" (which you're missing, btw), "src" and "defer" (see http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/SCHEMA/xhtml-script-1.xsd).
I just checked, and all elements you use can have an "id" attribute (I didn't check "iframe", since that isn't valid in standard XHTML 1.1, anyway). If you want to make sure, just check for both; that way affiliates can simply choose whichever they want, especially if they want to use one that doesn't have an "id" (did any of those have "class"?).

Here's a small patch to do that, just to make sure I'm not being to incoherent for you to understand me (I'm *really* tired ATM): Tongue
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    var elementClass = element.getAttribute("class");
+   if (!elementClass)
+     elementClass = element.getAttribute("id");
    var elementSig = element.getAttribute("data-aa");

The missing "type" and superfluous "async" aren't critical, as they don't seem to affect the displayed ad and I can simply correct them. Also, in your current version of the code, you're missing some "https:" prefixes to complete the URLs.

Your patch has been accepted, thanks Smiley

I think most people are ok with html5, so I returned "data-aa" attribute. However you may replace it with "id='aa-ad-unit-<your affiliate id>'" and it should work too.

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Your patch has been accepted, thanks Smiley

I think most people are ok with html5, so I returned "data-aa" attribute. However you may replace it with "id='aa-ad-unit-<your affiliate id>'" and it should work too.

Thanks, that was all I was trying to ask for, anyway.

There's still a problem with the codes displayed on your site. If I go to https://anonymousads.com/affiliate/<BTC-address>/code, all the ad-display codes are still missing a proper protocol specification. E.g:
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Otherwise, things are working great, thanks for all your hard work!

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Your patch has been accepted, thanks Smiley

I think most people are ok with html5, so I returned "data-aa" attribute. However you may replace it with "id='aa-ad-unit-<your affiliate id>'" and it should work too.

Thanks, that was all I was trying to ask for, anyway.

There's still a problem with the codes displayed on your site. If I go to https://anonymousads.com/affiliate/<BTC-address>/code, all the ad-display codes are still missing a proper protocol specification. E.g:
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<script data-aa='525' src='//ad.anonymousads.com/525/js' defer='defer' async='async' type='text/javascript'></script>

Otherwise, things are working great, thanks for all your hard work!

Protocol specification is missing intentionally. I think that is called a "Relative Reference". It allows to use the same code for serving https ads for secure sites and http ads for normal sites. Thank you for using AA and providing your feedback.

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I see - I didn't know that worked. Thanks for pointing that out.

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Hello, sorry if this has already been asked, but:

Is it possible to create an ad embed code containing arbitrary payment addresses?

Say, I might want to compensate users of a site for their user submitted content, for a given ad slot on a particular page I might want to swap my bitcoin address for theirs 50% of the time to give them 50% of income.

Ideally these separate addresses are still rated by advertisers under the banner of a single "site".

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Hello, sorry if this has already been asked, but:

Is it possible to create an ad embed code containing arbitrary payment addresses?

Say, I might want to compensate users of a site for their user submitted content, for a given ad slot on a particular page I might want to swap my bitcoin address for theirs 50% of the time to give them 50% of income.

Ideally these separate addresses are still rated by advertisers under the banner of a single "site".

Hi! Did I understand it correctly, that you are AA affiliate and you want to occasionally share advertisers' money with your visitors?

There is no such functionality in AA currently. If you want to split your profits, you could use http://btcrelay.com (create a paylist by URL and use its bitcoin address to register AA affiliate.. affiliate's profits will be distributed according to your paylist, that can be generated by your server dynamically). Maybe http://btcurl.com/ could be useful too.

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As far as I see, using btc relay would require me generating a unique affiliate and associated paylist for each item of user submitted content, which would be unfeasible. Maybe I didn't understand it properly though.

throughads.com seems to do what I'm looking for, but it isn't very good in other ways (have to specify CPC etc.. in the code rather than best profit being found automatically, also seems abandoned and unused).

Here's a further description of the potential use case:

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I make a site with user submitted content, the user provides their payment address when submitting content, I then compensate users for their content by inserting their payment address in the ad code 50% of the time to give them 50% of income generated by their content.

The ad network would still have a concept of particular zones / ad locations of value (e.g. I declare a zone with a unique ID in the ad embed code, these zones could be the things that are manually registered with the ad network), but simply the payout address can be specified in the ad code arbitrarily.

Seems to me, a bitcoin ad service offering this would be a real innovation. It would enable very easy building of profit sharing sites. Every file upload, image upload, site etc.. could offer uploaders a % cut as an incentive. (And work worldwide without the issues of paypal etc.)

It's also something that really has to be done on the ad-network's side of things since that is where profit is determined and click-fraud etc is prevented. Even with the case of anonymousads where click fraud may not be an issue, there's no real way to know what profit came from what unique URL / piece of content.

I can't just record total profit and divide it between all users based on their content's pageloads for example, as that could be faked.

Eh, sorry for talking on, I don't think Anonymousads (or any other ad network) is really built to be able to do this, but maybe this can be inspiration for someone Smiley

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As far as I see, using btc relay would require me generating a unique affiliate and associated paylist for each item of user submitted content, which would be unfeasible. Maybe I didn't understand it properly though.

throughads.com seems to do what I'm looking for, but it isn't very good in other ways (have to specify CPC etc.. in the code rather than best profit being found automatically, also seems abandoned and unused).

Here's a further description of the potential use case:

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I make a site with user submitted content, the user provides their payment address when submitting content, I then compensate users for their content by inserting their payment address in the ad code 50% of the time to give them 50% of income generated by their content.

The ad network would still have a concept of particular zones / ad locations of value (e.g. I declare a zone with a unique ID in the ad embed code, these zones could be the things that are manually registered with the ad network), but simply the payout address can be specified in the ad code arbitrarily.

Seems to me, a bitcoin ad service offering this would be a real innovation. It would enable very easy building of profit sharing sites. Every file upload, image upload, site etc.. could offer uploaders a % cut as an incentive. (And work worldwide without the issues of paypal etc.)

It's also something that really has to be done on the ad-network's side of things since that is where profit is determined and click-fraud etc is prevented. Even with the case of anonymousads where click fraud may not be an issue, there's no real way to know what profit came from what unique URL / piece of content.

I can't just record total profit and divide it between all users based on their content's pageloads for example, as that could be faked.

Eh, sorry for talking on, I don't think Anonymousads (or any other ad network) is really built to be able to do this, but maybe this can be inspiration for someone Smiley

I think we can implement API that allows automatic affiliate registration (without visiting AA site). It would allow your users to earn and even to see their stats. But probably this API would require your server to authorize somehow to prevent flooding of our database. Would you use such API?

Thanks for idea!

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I certainly might use it. Bear in mind I haven't even made the site that needs this yet Wink

Though, IMO it's still not the most elegant solution, potentially requiring a request to your server each submission of content (often seems very slow for me). But better than nothing of course Smiley

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How long does it take for a site to link with an affiliate?

I have been using ads of my site for a while but it's not linked with my affiliate yet.

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How long does it take for a site to link with an affiliate?

I have been using ads of my site for a while but it's not linked with my affiliate yet.

Normally it should happen in half an hour.. However if your site's health is 0 and it had been added long ago, then it won't happen automatically (sorry for inconvenience, fixed it for your site).

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The new adcode is much faster indeed, but now it seems that my sites aren't detected as containing it: health dropped to 58%, except on the site where I still haven't updated the code: http://anonymousads.com/affiliate/447

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The new adcode is much faster indeed, but now it seems that my sites aren't detected as containing it: health dropped to 58%, except on the site where I still haven't updated the code: http://anonymousads.com/affiliate/447

Looks like you are missing data-aa attribute

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The new adcode is much faster indeed, but now it seems that my sites aren't detected as containing it: health dropped to 58%, except on the site where I still haven't updated the code: http://anonymousads.com/affiliate/447

Looks like you are missing data-aa attribute
Yeah but all works fine still... is there any use in this attribute apart from breaking HTML5 validation?

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The new adcode is much faster indeed, but now it seems that my sites aren't detected as containing it: health dropped to 58%, except on the site where I still haven't updated the code: http://anonymousads.com/affiliate/447

Looks like you are missing data-aa attribute
Yeah but all works fine still... is there any use in this attribute apart from breaking HTML5 validation?

Yes, it is used to detect aa code Smiley

No, it shouldn't break HTML5: http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/WD-html5-20110525/elements.html#embedding-custom-non-visible-data-with-the-data-attributes. Facebook uses data- attributes in its "like" buttons, so I don't think it should be a problem.

However if you don't like them, you can use "id='aa-ad-unit-<your affiliate id>'" instead (not recommended though).

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Thanks, I wasn't aware of that tag... now that I think of it I've got lots of ideas on how to use it even more ^^

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How long is it supposed to take for the health to get back up? It quickly went from 49% to 66%, but has been stuck at 66% since then...

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How long is it supposed to take for the health to get back up? It quickly went from 49% to 66%, but has been stuck at 66% since then...

Wow, thanks for reporting! Just restarted the script, it hang for some reason.

I am not sure how much time it is supposed to take for the gealth to get back up. Time to time (currently every 20 minutes) the script checks all the active (or new) sites and estimates the probability of them to show the ad. For each particular site the math can be expressed by the following code:

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I think we can implement API that allows automatic affiliate registration (without visiting AA site). It would allow your users to earn and even to see their stats. But probably this API would require your server to authorize somehow to prevent flooding of our database.

Hi again, just curious if this is something you plan on working on at all? Can I get an ETA? Wink

Or is it "maybe or maybe not, sometime in the unknown and distant future"...

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I think we can implement API that allows automatic affiliate registration (without visiting AA site). It would allow your users to earn and even to see their stats. But probably this API would require your server to authorize somehow to prevent flooding of our database.

Hi again, just curious if this is something you plan on working on at all? Can I get an ETA? Wink

Or is it "maybe or maybe not, sometime in the unknown and distant future"...
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Hey COuld it be that Anonymousads is currently down??

Since Yesterday I couldn access the Website and the BBCode Ads arent shown....

Normal ads Work fine.


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Hey COuld it be that Anonymousads is currently down??

Since Yesterday I couldn access the Website and the BBCode Ads arent shown....

Normal ads Work fine.


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I am terribly sorry, I've been in train for 2 whole days and couldn't see your messages and fix the problem. Everything should work now.

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Jeah everything works again.
Thnx Grin

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Hm, whatever happened to weights? Looks like all sites are reset to weight=20  Huh

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Just got a note from one of my visitors that the morons at McAfee tag anonymousads as malware...  Sad

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Well here's another thing, this service leaks visitors addresses to

Facebook Social Plugins
http://www.facebook.com/plugins/like.php?href=anonymousads.com&send=false&layout=box_count&width=300&show_faces=true&action=like&colorscheme=light&font&height=90
more infoGoogle +1
https://apis.google.com/js/plusone.js
more infoGoogle Analytics
http://www.google-analytics.com/ga.js
more infoTwitter Button

On every page.  To do this and call the site anonymous or even private is highly misleading and potentially dangerous to all the spammers advertisers that would be inclined to use such a service.
As long as it doesn't leak when including the ads on affiliates' sites, that's not much of a problem. We ourselves don't browse without ghostery, do we?  Grin

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Well here's another thing, this service leaks visitors addresses to

Facebook Social Plugins
http://www.facebook.com/plugins/like.php?href=anonymousads.com&send=false&layout=box_count&width=300&show_faces=true&action=like&colorscheme=light&font&height=90
more infoGoogle +1
https://apis.google.com/js/plusone.js
more infoGoogle Analytics
http://www.google-analytics.com/ga.js
more infoTwitter Button

On every page.  To do this and call the site anonymous or even private is highly misleading and potentially dangerous to all the spammers advertisers that would be inclined to use such a service.

(cough cough) On the other hand, I never got any problems with payouts from Anonymous Ads... (cough cough)
Also, I don't see any privacy policy saying they don't collect visitors data. "Anonymous Ads" is the site name, and is not announced as a feature. I think the idea behind the "anonymous" name is that there are no user accounts (affiliates, advertisers and websites are independent).

If you're annoyed by the social sharing buttons (which almost every other website has nowadays) and the privacy problems they pose, you should start by blocking them from the start, as well as not displaying AddThis widgets on your advertising network website.

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Hi all.. Sorry for late answer, I am on vacation now and can't respond in timely fashion. I'll be back in several days.

Hm, whatever happened to weights? Looks like all sites are reset to weight=20  Huh

Yes, something bad happened to the site weights and the only way to fix them quickly was to set them equal. I plan to rework this mechanism.

Just got a note from one of my visitors that the morons at McAfee tag anonymousads as malware...  Sad

Thanks for info, I'll look at it later.

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Just got a note from one of my visitors that the morons at McAfee tag anonymousads as malware...  Sad

I bet that stupid software blocks tags every website with the word "anonymous" in it as malware. Oh well...

Funnily enough,  I seem to be getting more money now that the weight component was set to 20, than before when I had a weight a bit above 400...
I hope that when you rework the weight mechanism, you make the weight dynamic so that it changes with the amount of views and clicks (and preferably not just unique ones).

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Testing now with an ad for Fennec Internet Services.

Hopefully you can rate this and get it running ASAP.

Have bootstrapped 0.5 BTC and put 0.75 BTC for impressions as I don't really know how to set up a goal (I wouldn't mind doing one for someone submitting a contact form, or a manually activated one for orders).

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Testing now with an ad for Fennec Internet Services.

Hopefully you can rate this and get it running ASAP.

Have bootstrapped 0.5 BTC and put 0.75 BTC for impressions as I don't really know how to set up a goal (I wouldn't mind doing one for someone submitting a contact form, or a manually activated one for orders).

Done. Thanks for trying out the service. For goal tracking you need to embed some code on your side. You can either register a goal at AA (and use its Goal Tracking mechanism), or you can track the affiliate addresses (that are passed to your site via $_GET parameter with each visitor) yourself and send bitcoins to them if they generate sales.

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Any news on the weights ?

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The news I'd like to hear about the weights, is that they become proportional to the affiliate's number of impressions and clicks, and not just some fixed number.

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I removed site weights. Affiliates will be rewarded in proportion to <n of impressions during last 7 days>*(<n of clicks during last 7 days> + 1).

Please note that <n of impressions> and <n of clicks> are filtered according to some internal criteria. Globally unique IPs and reasonable CTRs are rewarded. Those earnings will be still shown as "Earned from sites:" on affiliates' page (even though they are not related to sites anymore).

I hope I didn't mess anything, let's see how it works.

This is still a temporary solution, I work on AA2 that will introduce major changes and replace this logic too.

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Great to know you're working on a new version of AA. It would be a bit sad to see one of the first Bitcoin-driven advertising networks, with some interesting features, be left behind newer ones with more conservative approaches that are made to work right for big websites/rich advertisers, while almost leaving out the smaller ones.

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I removed site weights. Affiliates will be rewarded in proportion to <n of impressions during last 7 days>*(<n of clicks during last 7 days> + 1).
Might be a bit biased in favor of those who give an incentive to click, and a lot in favor of those with a higher number of visits (basically, this is equivalent to Nvisits^2*CTR with a twist to avoid CTR=0). Also, why only 7 days? (which basically increases variability)

How about something like Nvisits*sqrt(CTR*100) over last 30 days? (with still a twist to avoid CTR=0)

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I removed site weights. Affiliates will be rewarded in proportion to <n of impressions during last 7 days>*(<n of clicks during last 7 days> + 1).
Might be a bit biased in favor of those who give an incentive to click, and a lot in favor of those with a higher number of visits (basically, this is equivalent to Nvisits^2*CTR with a twist to avoid CTR=0). Also, why only 7 days? (which basically increases variability)

How about something like Nvisits*sqrt(CTR*100) over last 30 days? (with still a twist to avoid CTR=0)

Thanks! You are right, too much bias towards large sites. NVisits^2 is not good.

I increased the period to 30 days and replaced the formula with just <n of qualified clicks during last 30 days>.

I think the system needs some bias in favor of clicks since some affiliates put banners at places that almost never get clicked, that is not good for advertisers.

Clicks without a reasonable amount of impressions are not counted as qualified anyway, so shouldn't be that a huge favor for sites that give incentive to click.

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could it be that the service isdoen atm?

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Down for me too  Cry

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Very strange, anonymousads.com website is down but banners work fine. Do you have 2 servers?
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Very strange, anonymousads.com website is down but banners work fine. Do you have 2 servers?

Textads work but imageads for forums dont.

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Very strange, anonymousads.com website is down but banners work fine. Do you have 2 servers?
Most likely:
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Looking forward to testing this once the site comes back online.

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Wazzup?  Wink

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I wonder if the profits from showing the banners will ever sync with the main server once it comes back up...

EDIT: looks like it is up, just very slow, to the point that half of the time the connection drops before the page is served.

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For me its down! Hope it will get fixed...

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Sorry for the downtime, I am working to resolve the issue.

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Sorry for the downtime, I am working to resolve the issue.

Wow.. it took me about a week to fix it. Should be more responsive now.

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With this "no account, open access for all" concept came a new kind of spam: some @$$**** spammed a bunch of accounts with a link to bit.ly/U0abCg (NB: don't visit, might crash your browser, although the link I put here is just the bit.ly stat page, which is safe). Any way to remove this?

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With this "no account, open access for all" concept came a new kind of spam: some @$$**** spammed a bunch of accounts with a link to bit.ly/U0abCg (NB: don't visit, might crash your browser, although the link I put here is just the bit.ly stat page, which is safe). Any way to remove this?

Thanks for your message! Are you talking about this https://anonymousads.com/site/615 ? I don't see any harm from it, except flooding the database. It is easy to remove records with health 0% from the database, and also there is some implicit limitation on amount of affiliates on the page. Frankly speaking I don't quite understand what's the incentive to register sites like that. Is there any except vandalism? Smiley

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Thanks for your message! Are you talking about this https://anonymousads.com/site/615 ? I don't see any harm from it, except flooding the database. It is easy to remove records with health 0% from the database, and also there is some implicit limitation on amount of affiliates on the page. Frankly speaking I don't quite understand what's the incentive to register sites like that. Is there any except vandalism? Smiley
Yes, that's the one. And yes, that's just for vandalism I guess, lots of people do that on Wikipedia, why not elsewhere too Wink. Or maybe experimenting how the site copes with this kind of situation...

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November 20, 2012, 10:55:53 PM
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I've not received a payment from Anon Ads since October 24th - 143Jgi4ycmHG3AUNEFTaWWTWXtAdMKNTpu - Has traffic just died off?

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Indeed it's been quite quiet on my side too, although I think I received a payment last maybe around the 1st of November or something

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November 21, 2012, 10:26:17 PM
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I've not received a payment from Anon Ads since October 24th - 143Jgi4ycmHG3AUNEFTaWWTWXtAdMKNTpu - Has traffic just died off?

Sorry to hear about it. The traffic didn't change much during the month, but not many advertisers' spend to buy it. I'll be buying it time to time to compensate it partially. Btw, your balance is close to the withdrawal threshold of 0.011 btc, so expect to get a withdrawal soon. Thanks for your message!

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December 07, 2012, 08:00:26 PM
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Looks like the health percentages don't get updated anymore. I've placed back the code on one of my sites (I had removed it a while back with the McAfee SiteAdvisor issue) >24h ago, it's still at 0%.

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thanks, restarted it

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thanks, restarted it
Still not updating  Undecided Did you change the detection code? I modified the ad code like this:
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<iframe data-aa="xxx" src="//ad.anonymousads.com/xxx/html" class="aafram"></iframe>
which used to be detected properly

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thanks, restarted it
Still not updating  Undecided Did you change the detection code? I modified the ad code like this:
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<iframe data-aa="xxx" src="//ad.anonymousads.com/xxx/html" class="aafram"></iframe>
which used to be detected properly

no, I didn't change anything... some sites marked as inactive, I've reset them.. did it help?

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no, I didn't change anything... some sites marked as inactive, I've reset them.. did it help?
Seems better, I'm at 10%, let's see how it evolves now

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no, I didn't change anything... some sites marked as inactive, I've reset them.. did it help?
Seems better, I'm at 10%, let's see how it evolves now
Still at 10%... stuck again or just slow to update? I remember quite a while ago it was updated quite a few times a day.
Edit: ah, no, it updated again. Probably just slow to update then.
Re-edit: wow, it's at 100% already Smiley

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One of your customers is proven scammer, as you can witness by checking this thread. In future, make sure you know who you work with!

Thanks for your message.

I am not going to know who I work with, but I don't want to help scammers either.

I think your complaint is related to ad https://anonymousads.com/ad/355

Here is the current AA policy (available at the ad's page):

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Ads are by no means connected to advertisers, thus advertisers can't edit/remove their ads. No refunds are possible. Inappropriate/erroneous ads (hate speech, scam, slander, etc) can be removed by site administrator. Unsure if your ad is appropriate? Don't send bitcoins until it receives a positive rating (it can be removed anytime if AA receives complaints).

So I've set ad's rating to 0 and modified its link so that it points to the thread you mentioned. If somebody doesn't agree with that measure, s/he can contact me via PM or here.

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Ads are by no means connected to advertisers, thus advertisers can't edit/remove their ads. No refunds are possible. Inappropriate/erroneous ads (hate speech, scam, slander, etc) can be removed by site administrator. Unsure if your ad is appropriate? Don't send bitcoins until it receives a positive rating (it can be removed anytime if AA receives complaints).

So I've set ad's rating to 0 and modified its link so that it points to the thread you mentioned. If somebody doesn't agree with that measure, s/he can contact me via PM or here.
Although I like the decentralized money, I'm not really a big fan of the decentralized police... Although this one seems quite clear, I don't think running a modified ad (included modified rating, which means you don't reach the same people the ad did reach) using their credits is really the best option. What I'd probably do is stop running the ad and keep the credit until further investigation is done. If confirmed, it could then be used to give back some BTC to scammed people. If not, it could be used to resume the campaign.

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What I'd probably do is stop running the ad and keep the credit until further investigation is done. If confirmed, it could then be used to give back some BTC to scammed people. If not, it could be used to resume the campaign.

Thanks! Yes, that would be great to do, but that's not quite possible with the current software. Maybe the OK solution would be to show a warning with the link to the scam accusation page.

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Dear friends, it's time to show you a working prototype of AA2.

It is a whole new system on a different platform, but the basic idea is the same: mixture of affiliate program and advertising network without user accounts.

Got rid of several AA1 features, I hope you won't miss them. It is not that heavily tied to bitcoin anymore (you can use it without touching any money for traffic exchange). Unfortunately it not compatible with AA1.

I created a separate topic to discuss it: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=136329.msg1452328 , your feedback is appreciated.

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Image upload not working.
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Image upload not working.

Seems to be permission problem, probably fixed. Thanks!

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Image upload not working.

Seems to be permission problem, probably fixed. Thanks!

Nope.

When I click 'publish', the page returns a server error (HTTP 500 (Internal Server Error)).
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Image upload not working.

Seems to be permission problem, probably fixed. Thanks!

Nope.

When I click 'publish', the page returns a server error (HTTP 500 (Internal Server Error)).

Oh.. Sorry, I can't reproduce it. Could you please send me the file you are trying to upload?

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Image upload not working.

Seems to be permission problem, probably fixed. Thanks!

Nope.

When I click 'publish', the page returns a server error (HTTP 500 (Internal Server Error)).

Oh.. Sorry, I can't reproduce it. Could you please send me the file you are trying to upload?

https://www.operationfabulous.com/ads/f9bd135a67291260f2957019cb32ef5b4ceb5db0.png

Right click -> Save as.
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Image upload not working.

Seems to be permission problem, probably fixed. Thanks!

Nope.

When I click 'publish', the page returns a server error (HTTP 500 (Internal Server Error)).

Oh.. Sorry, I can't reproduce it. Could you please send me the file you are trying to upload?

https://www.operationfabulous.com/ads/f9bd135a67291260f2957019cb32ef5b4ceb5db0.png

Right click -> Save as.

Hmm.. Strange, it works for me: https://anonymousads.com/ad/393

What browser are you using?

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Image upload not working.

Seems to be permission problem, probably fixed. Thanks!

Nope.

When I click 'publish', the page returns a server error (HTTP 500 (Internal Server Error)).

Oh.. Sorry, I can't reproduce it. Could you please send me the file you are trying to upload?

https://www.operationfabulous.com/ads/f9bd135a67291260f2957019cb32ef5b4ceb5db0.png

Right click -> Save as.

Hmm.. Strange, it works for me: https://anonymousads.com/ad/393

What browser are you using?

Latest version of Chrome.
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Image upload not working.

Seems to be permission problem, probably fixed. Thanks!

Nope.

When I click 'publish', the page returns a server error (HTTP 500 (Internal Server Error)).

Oh.. Sorry, I can't reproduce it. Could you please send me the file you are trying to upload?

https://www.operationfabulous.com/ads/f9bd135a67291260f2957019cb32ef5b4ceb5db0.png

Right click -> Save as.

Hmm.. Strange, it works for me: https://anonymousads.com/ad/393

What browser are you using?

Latest version of Chrome.

I can see in logs error 500 but it doesn't seem to be related to banner. Btw, did you specify correct link upon ad creation? Could you please test if it works at AA2 staging server?

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...

I can see in logs error 500 but it doesn't seem to be related to banner. Btw, did you specify correct link upon ad creation? Could you please test if it works at AA2 staging server?


There seems to be missing a field for 'Text'.

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...

I can see in logs error 500 but it doesn't seem to be related to banner. Btw, did you specify correct link upon ad creation? Could you please test if it works at AA2 staging server?


There seems to be missing a field for 'Text'.

.


Thanks for your messages.... but... are you kidding? Wink

PS:

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No, I'm not kidding.

The input for some reason is invisible. I can see it in the source code though.

https://i.imgur.com/k7I3rZa.png

In FireFox it works fine.

EDIT:

The problem was my AdBlock... Maybe some keyword triggers the AdBlock to hide that input.
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The other problem (Error 500) is still there, with or without AdBlock.

EDIT:

In the new AA it seems to be working fine: http://s.a-ads.com/ads/46
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After campaign creation, when you show the link and password for future use, can you add an option to send that information to a email address?

EDIT: This new AA is really nice. Great features.

EDIT 2: Can you add ssl support to the new AA? (https://)
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Oh, I see... I didn't know about AdBlock. Thanks!

SSL support added, please test.

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Oh, I see... I didn't know about AdBlock. Thanks!

SSL support added, please test.

The page at https://coinad.com displayed insecure content from http://s.a-ads.com/assets/favicon-3c89a11863539a23396ff3b537fb7089.png.
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Oh, I see... I didn't know about AdBlock. Thanks!

SSL support added, please test.

The page at https://coinad.com displayed insecure content from http://s.a-ads.com/assets/favicon-3c89a11863539a23396ff3b537fb7089.png.

I think I fixed it. Thank you!

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Oh, I see... I didn't know about AdBlock. Thanks!

SSL support added, please test.

The page at https://coinad.com displayed insecure content from http://s.a-ads.com/assets/favicon-3c89a11863539a23396ff3b537fb7089.png.

I think I fixed it. Thank you!

Yup, it's working now. Thanks.

Good luck with the AA project.
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Anyone has success using this service?
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Anyone has success using this service?

What do you mean?
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Anyone has success using this service?

What do you mean?

I've tried it, and like the idea a lot, but profit potential is not very large.. ie: total payout in the last 30 days = 10.26112626 btc. So if you have a traffic-heavy site there simply aren't enough advertisers and rewards to make it worth your while... maybe in 6 months time that will change.
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My site is https://anonymousads.com/site/737

I have pasted ad code in this page. But the "Health" is 0 and "Affiliates" is n/a.  Please help me.
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My site is https://anonymousads.com/site/737

I have pasted ad code in this page. But the "Health" is 0 and "Affiliates" is n/a.  Please help me.

Thanks for your message. For some reason sites health feature is not working reliably, sorry or inconvenience. I just hacked it a bit, should be better now. Sorry for inconvenience. I hope AA2 won't have this issue.

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My site is https://anonymousads.com/site/737

I have pasted ad code in this page. But the "Health" is 0 and "Affiliates" is n/a.  Please help me.

Thanks for your message. For some reason sites health feature is not working reliably, sorry or inconvenience. I just hacked it a bit, should be better now. Sorry for inconvenience. I hope AA2 won't have this issue.

Thank you!
https://anonymousads.com/site/821
https://anonymousads.com/site/822
have the same problem.

Will there be same problem when I add some new site to anonymousads.com? And how can I avoid the problem?

I'll follow AA2.
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https://anonymousads.com/site/821
https://anonymousads.com/site/822
have the same problem.

Will there be same problem when I add some new site to anonymousads.com? And how can I avoid the problem?

I'll follow AA2.

821 & 822 redirect to http://www.btcwatch.com/account/login, thus AA bot can't detect its code. If you embed AA code on login page, probably it will be visible to AA bot. Actually when advertisers pay for traffic or goals, health doesn't matter. So even if your site is not listed, you should earn something from traffic you generate.




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February 03, 2013, 01:19:09 AM
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Dear friends, we are moving to Anonymous Ads 2.

Unfortunately there will be no data migration from AA1 because the systems are quite different. AA1 affiliates will get their balances to their withdrawal addresses. AA1 advertisers with bootstrap score + reward score > 0 will receive compensation to their AA2 campaign (if they create one with the same ad link). They will receive impressions anyway until we stop AA1. We'll do it when we feel that our obligations are fulfilled.

Please see this document for some details.

I suggest that we discuss migration issues here. And after we migrate, we'll use AA2 thread.

PS: Please don't send money to AA1 if you need them Smiley

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All AA1 affiliates got their balances, here are the txids:
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17a70bf9d8fd2753de28df3f1b851a6c5a5b5c2235ddd600890d2c05cb418c18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So now all AA1 affiliates have balance 0 and will not earn anything.

Please replace AA1 code on your site with AA2 code to continue earning.

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Which ads will appear @ filter ads?

The checked ones or the unchecked ones?

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Which ads will appear @ filter ads?

The checked ones or the unchecked ones?

Checked boxes disable ads, e. g. if you filter NSFW ads, they won't be shown on your ad unit.

Is the wording ambiguous, could you please suggest how to reword it?

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Which ads will appear @ filter ads?

The checked ones or the unchecked ones?

Checked boxes disable ads, e. g. if you filter NSFW ads, they won't be shown on your ad unit.

Is the wording ambiguous, could you please suggest how to reword it?

I would write:

Filter ADS containing following content:

NSFW
Gambling
Politics
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But my english is not the best.

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AA1 ads 397, 408, 410 received compensation to AA2 campaigns 7, 3, 8 (txinfo).

Advertisers for AA1 ads 402,376,373,374,380,396,399,400,401,402,404,406,327,317,240 haven't created campaigns at AA2 yet.

Update: AA1 is still serving ads and will be doing so till the end of February (when our AA1 obligations end, compensations to advertisers won't be offered after that time) OR till all active advertisers migrate to AA2.

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AnonymousAds v1 is closed. Please join AnonymousAds v2!

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It seems that frequent very small payments (less than .0005) can cause serious problems to the receivers:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=150291.0

Since I am receiving frequent 0.000000X BTC payments, I'd like to be paid just when my credit is above .0005.
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It seems that frequent very small payments (less than .0005) can cause serious problems to the receivers:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=150291.0

Since I am receiving frequent 0.000000X BTC payments, I'd like to be paid just when my credit is above .0005.

AFAIK it could be a problem if your wallet contains only microtransactions: when you spend bitcoins, transaction fees could be too high. You can create transactions manually to defragment your wallet without fees. Also you could consider using our "withdraw to campaign" feature to avoid bitcoin related fees.

We are sending payouts below 0.01 btc only if balance doesn't change for 24 hours (we can increase the interval probably if that is what our users need, but such withdrawals shouldn't be too frequent anyway). If we set up hard threshold of 0.0005 btc, then it could take several years to receive your first payout. Is it really what you want?

What we really plan to do is to allow publishers modifying their ad units (including withdrawal params).

If you do not mind, please me your ad unit id, I will look at the issue closer.

Thanks for your message!

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If we set up hard threshold of 0.0005 btc, then it could take several years to receive your first payout. Is it really what you want?
What we really plan to do is to allow publishers modifying their ad units (including withdrawal params).
If you do not mind, please me your ad unit id, I will look at the issue closer.
Thanks for your message!

Never mind: I re-created the ads pointing to an online wallet instead than my main wallet.
Anyway I don't see the urge to have daily payments: a weekly payment would be probably enough, while reducing somewhat the risks.
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Filtration level:50 (allows: gambling politics religion safe and appropriate)

 Not diggin it, some of the users are complaining about it when they use it at work. http://www.strip4bit.com/   NSFW LINK !!!

Attention to it would be appreciated.

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Although boobs are usually good to display at anytime in my opinion and should be both promoted and welcomed. But I have to say in the banner ads on our site which is set for


Filtration level:50 (allows: gambling politics religion safe and appropriate)

 Not diggin it, some of the users are complaining about it when they use it at work. http://www.strip4bit.com/   NSFW LINK !!!

Attention to it would be appreciated.

Thanks
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Are you talking about coinvisitor.com?

I can see ad unit #928 (that does allow any content) is embedded there.

Currently publishers can't edit their ad units, so you can just register a new ad unit with the desired filtering settings, or PM me if you want me to edit #928.

PS: Filtration level 50 was in AnonymousAds v. 1 that has been closed. AnonymousAds v.2 has different set of filters.

Thanks for your message and for using AnonymousAds!

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March 17, 2013, 01:39:39 AM
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If you could set it to proper safe for work level it would be appreciated, love the service and your ads load nice. It is great to have you as a service partner. Thanks for the attentiveness to this. And yes it is coinvisitor.com.

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If you could set it to proper safe for work level it would be appreciated, love the service and your ads load nice. It is great to have you as a service partner. Thanks for the attentiveness to this. And yes it is coinvisitor.com.

Kev

Thanks for kind words. Enabled NSWF filter for #928. It may take some time to propagate changes though. Boobs should show up less and less frequently and finally go away from your site within an hour or so.

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March 20, 2013, 09:32:03 PM
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are you saying that you get more money with a website that has a better value?


Theoretically - yes. Practically not sure yet since most advertisers don't reward for better traffic yet.

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March 24, 2013, 08:04:57 PM
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Strip4Bit Webmaster here. Sorry for it, but i rated my ad as NSFW Sad
But AnonymousAds doesn't profit for me... sadly, couse it's the only real usable Bitcoin AD Network :/
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But AnonymousAds doesn't profit for me... sadly, couse it's the only real usable Bitcoin AD Network :/

Thank you for using Anonymous Ads and for your feedback!

Do you mean that your advertising campaign was not successful and didn't bring new buyers to you?

I saw your daily budget was 0.25 btc. Maybe it would be a good idea to make a lower daily budget, because you get cheaper impressions if you are not in hurry (you can see how estimates change when you change the number).

AnonymousAds's success depends on success of our advertisers. Please PM me to discuss various options of how to achieve it.




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March 25, 2013, 09:28:29 AM
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Strip4Bit Webmaster here. Sorry for it, but i rated my ad as NSFW Sad
But AnonymousAds doesn't profit for me... sadly, couse it's the only real usable Bitcoin AD Network :/
I would gladly run your ads on CoinAd if your banners didn't had NSFW images.

You could make a banner with the site description and a NSFW warning, without explicit nudity. You would reach a lot more publishers sites.

Maybe AA could add another filter option -> NSFW banner and NSFW link.
Option one, the banner contains nudity
Option two, the banner is safe for work, only the link gets you to a NSFW website.
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March 27, 2013, 03:23:04 PM
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[EDIT: The page I'm referring to that hosts the ads is NSFW. Just an FYI.]

So, comprehension question here:

I have two ad units #312 and #1229 that are active on my page. One is a horizontal banner and one is a tower. Both are active on the site, but looking at these links:
https://a-ads.com/catalog?ad_unit_id=1229&target_type=AdUnit&partner=1229
https://a-ads.com/catalog?ad_unit_id=312&target_type=AdUnit&partner=312

The number of impressions is drastically different. Am I doing something wrong in my implementation? Should I not be running two different types of ads on the same page? If so, which one would be the more advantageous one to keep?
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I have two ad units #312 and #1229 that are active on my page. One is a horizontal banner and one is a tower. Both are active on the site, but looking at these links:
https://a-ads.com/catalog?ad_unit_id=1229&target_type=AdUnit&partner=1229
https://a-ads.com/catalog?ad_unit_id=312&target_type=AdUnit&partner=312

The number of impressions is drastically different. Am I doing something wrong in my implementation? Should I not be running two different types of ads on the same page? If so, which one would be the more advantageous one to keep?


Thanks for your question. The reason is that we show only unique impressions to advertisers (i. e. globally unique IPs for the whole network during 24h period). You can see non-unique impressions here:

You can run as many ads on the same page as you want. Embedding several ad units on the same page should somehow increase your income, but not much.

Ideally more ads you have -> more buyers you attract to advertisers -> more income you have. Absolute amount of unique impressions should not be relevant.

But it works only when both conditions are satisfied:
1) publishers send buyers to advertisers.
2) advertisers pay per sale.

Currently it is not the case. According to current stats only <10% of earnings come from goals.

So currently we need to distribute significant part of money paid by advertisers somehow, and we use a number of globally unique impressions as one of the important criteria.

I know we need to document all this in detail. We are working to attract more advertisers that pay per sale. We offer discounts and free integration with our Goal Tracking API to such advertisers.

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March 27, 2013, 05:25:01 PM
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So looking at the two stat pages you linked above, it seemed like #312 was performing better before I switched the layout around on March 17th. So maybe I should be switching things back?

I agree, a guide for new publishers laying out how everything works would be great. Mostly because I had a hard time figuring out what I needed to do to optimize my earning potential. Wink
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March 27, 2013, 11:08:21 PM
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So looking at the two stat pages you linked above, it seemed like #312 was performing better before I switched the layout around on March 17th. So maybe I should be switching things back?

I don't know. What is your criteria of better performance? If you are talking about profits, then, as I said, profits are not much affected by amount of ads embedded on your page, because there is no enough advertisers that pay per sale and AA just rewards you for unique impressions...

If your page contains 2 ad units, impressions of ad unit that loads first can be counted as unique, but impressions of other ad units on that page wont' be unique in terms of AA. Unique impression is a globally unique IP during 24hour period. It is done this way to limit the incentive for non-diligent publishers without banning them.

I hope more advertisers pay per sale in future, and then amount of unique impressions will become irrelevant, and you'll be able to measure performance by comparing earnings from goals (currently they are 0 for both of your ad units).

We welcome advertisers that want to integrate with our Goal Tracking API to reward publishers per sale: we can offer free integration and advertising discounts. This all is not well documented, but we are working on that.

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March 28, 2013, 12:56:53 AM
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not criticizing, just trying to understand.

I appreciate the service and I also appreciate that you're actively responsive on here to my questions Smiley
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March 28, 2013, 01:29:45 AM
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not criticizing, just trying to understand.

I appreciate the service and I also appreciate that you're actively responsive on here to my questions Smiley

Thanks for your feedback Smiley

PS: criticism is welcome too

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