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March 01, 2015, 11:07:30 AM
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Make your own list with your own criterias. Stop bitching and do something useful! Grown ups have work to do. Notice: I haven't accused of being a shill. You're probably just a very enthusiastic nerd who needs to be right all the time. There are many of us.

I am glad that we can have a normal conversation instead of useless pictures.

What you view as bitching I view as pointing out stuff that others don't see it. I view this as being useful and since I am a stubborn guy it will take a while and many people to convince me that it's not.

The "grown ups have work to do" line coming from you after your useless images posts is a bit redundant and stupid because you just contradicted yourself.

I admit that I am an enthusiastic nerd with the exception that I don't feel the need to be right all the time. I actually am and I am always backing my statements up. Feel free to prove me wrong while backing your words with proof.

I just hope you can use your head once in a while. But by the looks of things you are so emotionally invested in nailing Dogie to the cross that you'll never give up.

I am not at all invested in nailing dogie. I am invested in nailing anyone if I see the opportunity. I am not stalking dogie in all the threads. I am raising the issues here and I am keeping them here. If I was invested in nailing dogie then I would follow him in all the threads to trash him which I don't. Last summer I was busy nailing AM shareholders. Last year I was busy nailing ActM shareholders. Lately I was busy nailing MP and his sockpuppets in the 20MB thread and so on. This is not about dogie. It's about the opportunity that I see.

Dogie is just a guy (no offense Guy), of course he has moments where he probably should have put things differently. But that just makes him real. In any event, whatever he has said pales in comparison to his detractors, many of whom should have known better.

We all make mistakes, except that some have the power to admit and correct them and the others refuse to admit and correct them and bury themselves down into a bigger shit-hole. It's all about personal choices that we make.

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Last edit: March 01, 2015, 12:27:51 PM by Bicknellski
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There is no contrition in Dogie.

He is right no matter the facts presented to him. Zero compromise.

That is the biggest issue.

The next biggest issue has been the hijacking of the entire Hardware section with his reviews and support posts in a effort to bolster his business. Which is something we are aware of and many have pointed out for sometime now. And now it is just plain obvious to most everyone his ratings are bias based on that business model he has created.

Don't expect corrections or any resolution to this he will continue down his own path to destruction not that it matters I can't see there being a hardware section this time next year when all hardware will be sold B2B anyhow or not at all as in the case of a KnC or others his guide has little or no impact on the current miner sales and it will only diminish over time. At that point he will morph again into some other area of the forum or out of BTC altogether doing the same sort pseudo pr for someone in the guise of product reviews.

Again TECHNOBIT scores are pure fantasy and have been for over 2 years.

nice a quick response from technobit...but...how about my 3x hex4m... Undecided Undecided Undecided
my order still wasnt send...still shows Preparation in progress
im still waiting...
on monday, someone reply to me:
HI,
The second order is to be shipped tomorrow or Wednesday

From: hugo fernandes
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 3:36 PM
To: Customer service
Subject: [TechnoBit] Message from contact form [no_sync]

TechnoBit
 
Message from a TechnoBit customer
 
Customer e-mail address: soulistyces@gmail.com

Im still waiting for this order since day 4 of this month!!!!! Huh Huh Huh Huh Huh Huh
to replace one burned your fast to send 3 new your slow....
order THIFVNNBU

please send them or ill give up on you guys and asked for a refund
one thing for sure i was going to buy more 3 this end of the month and give up on you guys

Your sending is out, later you'll get tracking in your account
Marto when will you actually ship my 8 replacement boards, the ones that you supposedly would ship 2 weeks ago but never did? ? ? ? ? ? ?
Your 8 ones are already @ speedy warehouse
expect tracking on  PM later today or tomorrow morning
Still nothing, again, just like when you said 6 weeks ago, and 2 weeks ago, and 3 days ago, when they "were already at Speedy station". And in the meantime another board dead, and 1 shows no leds anymore.


Technobit  Up to 10 week delays in shipment of some customers Minion Group Buy Units.

The hurt / delays continue for some customers of Technobit who have paid substantial amounts for miners over 10 weeks ago.

I agree with scrappy here, Batch 1 should of been sent out by now. reading the thread its totally unprofessional sending out small orders first.
i see some people waiting 10 weeks now for there order to be shipped out and nothing. Seems people with large orders are getting shafted.

I think compensation is due MARTO!!!!

People have been patient with you since you had a problem with the boards, but this now seems to be resolved.
So what exactly is going on??

i do not what to take legal action as BFL are facing and now KNC miner, marto.
You really havent provided any updates to people with large orders on the forum at all.

Please provide a clear update on what is going on and when everyone's orders are going to be fulfilled and compensation package.
with have been patient, but you have taken are patience for granted now.

There is seriously something wrong with this thread. Folks Martin has yet to deliver batch one yet we have 3 confirmed cases of him shipping batch 2. He says "small orders" Fuck that shit. Mine may have been large and paid in fiat. I have as of to date received 6 of 50, and Marto has promised 6 shipping dates and only sent once!

 Guys, enough of the bullshit.

 I paid in fiat for a flat conversion, have been lied to about shipping, and seen batch 2 orders go out before mine. Check the thread, I was in page 2 and traded in 2 x3's and paid in fiat. I know I am not alone here as I have spoke to many of you in pm's. Enough with the BS, bring it.

scrappy do, dam so shipments are just trickling out. i would of thought at least batch 1 would of been completed by now

I haven't received a single one of my 88 boards. My chips have been at technobit since July 17th.

Marto any news when batch 2 will be shipped, its been over a month now since you received my chips. ive emailed you on your site, 2 weeks ago and no reply.
would like to know whats happening with those.

you going to be offering any compensation for late deliveries now. awaiting 25 boards  Angry and counting

 No offense Guyver, but he hasn't even shipped batch one out. Hopefully he will not ship out anymore batch 2 like the mistake made last week. I just got my first partial shipment today 6 of 50. I know its been over a month for you and I hate it, but it has been over 10 weeks for some of us.

We are working and as soon is ready will be  out.

...but we keep hearing this same reply over and over from you.  I've heard this same thing at least 6 times now from you.  Can you tell us what is holding up your shipping?  At first it was because of the MCU, then when that was fixed it was because you were testing the completed boards but what is holding you up now??

Edit:  ...And of course, no response from Marto when asked the 'tough' questions...  This is ridiculous.

If so many mcus are defective wouldn't it make sense to have them all removed and swapped for new ones by a machine and leave the testing for a later time? (I don't know if there is a desoldering machine)

Even 37 boards/day is painfully slow with the total number of boards in mind and it must be quite tiring to do it all by hand time and time again.




Thats a good one.
I made a thread and made an offer. No promises.

Ya... that is certainly how you operate.

People need to rethink using your services if you are not willing to do anything to help these people desperately asking for answers.

You can spend 10 minutes here now arguing with me but there are countless people who are asking for you to provide better service. Both Minersource and Technobit in this thread and these forums have had many issues. People should take this as a clear warning when doing biz with you guys.  NO PROMISES as well as no effort and lay the blame elsewhere.

I think you need to get your priorities in check.

Enjoy your thread.
Yea instead of having Technobit bundle US customers orders up and sent to us, they should all contact Technobit / Marto directly and arrange for shipping.

You are probably 100% right thinking that they'd get them faster and it was a great idea.

There is one customer that I've been emailing about their boards (that we have part of his order for), that will be the last order we reship.

I'm going to pass this to Marto.

**This post is 100% serious, arrangements now need to be made for shipping**

Unfortunately putting all this in Marto's hands may save 'money' the problem is then can he be trusted to get the units shipped. If you look at his history there are significant issues in the past when he has lied about shipping when he was having production delays in the past or when things became less profitable. Whatever the reasons he has yet to be 100% clear on when a specific customer will get their entire order. If you can set a production number daily then you can estimate within good reason when shipping will occur. He is not doing that. That is why people are rightly pissed. Suggest people remember this the next time they deal with Marto. Better to avoid his company use more reputable and reliable companies. Has anyone independently verified the issues that Marto is having with the boards and production numbers or is everyone just trusting what Marto is saying is actually happening?



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In all fairness TechnoBit doesn't respond to questions from potential customers either.

From the looks of it all the Black Arrow customers who chose the Group Buy are much worse off financially than customers who stayed with BA or MinerSource and their incendiary mail bomb. BA & MSs customers are only losing almost 100% of their money, at least 200% in minted Bitcoins at the exchange rates and nobody has died yet. The GB has put a lot more additional out of pocket funds into this cluster-fuck.

How many of those that chose the GB option also sent BA additional funds for Power Supply Units?

These PSUs were for the promised but yet to be delivered compensation units. BA promised to deliver compensation units after they've completed shipping of all orders.

The PSUs use in BAs miner has caused multiple explosive detonations due to to high voltage leakage from the PSUs. The leakage polarized the high capacity aluminium electrolytic capacitors that were added to unused sections of the Printed Circuit Board. The capacitors were polarized in the wrong direction with voltage that far exceed the capacitors rating. An explosive release of an ionically conductive liquid into the miner occurred resulting in combustion of the energized and populated PCB; open flame and toxic smoke being the final result.

BA, MS and TB customers are all experiencing an unreasonable shipping delay in paid for Minion based SHA-256 hashing hardware.



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March 01, 2015, 01:38:59 PM
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There is nothing triumphant about this. It's just sad.

If dogie allows your shit in this thread I can start to post shit too and we will definitely see a move from him. I should summon our friend Gleb for some more fun. What do you say?\

Start to? You just replied to 50 lines of serious discussion spamming the word liar. Unlike you Gleb isn't a mindless attack dog, he can think for himself.

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March 01, 2015, 01:47:49 PM
Last edit: March 01, 2015, 02:16:48 PM by dogie
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Again TECHNOBIT scores are pure fantasy and have been for over 2 years.

I think you missed the part where Technobit's rating (correctly) got trashed in the Feb update.

While I've got you here, lets also be clear on why you magically turned from wanting me to be part of your company to hating me and agreeing with anyone who seems to fit that agenda... I refused to invest in your company as it was only going to burn money for all involved - as it did - and I chose not to be a part of it.

Right?

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Yes only took over a year of complaints to get it right?

You are welcome for all the homework I did for you to fix your rating. Imagine how many people would have been saved buying the lies of Marto74 if you had done a better job.

Too little too late.

Let's not derail from the main subject. Why are you favoring old and outdated ratings instead of adjusting them to reflect reality?

Read the changelog.

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*Although SpondooliesTech is currently selling out of hand, they have not yet demonstrated that their business model can support this into the next generation. On the announcement of next gen preorders, this rating will return to 'Yes'. On the announcement of next gen in hand / batch sales, this rating will increase to 'Batch' or 'No'.

Why is SP-Tech the only company that is being rated by their business model supporting or not their next gen? Why treat SP-Tech differently and why not reflect the present?

Bias.


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Look at Technobit's score.

No mention of the fraud perpetrated... and a 10 out of 10 for ethics please do not make me laugh.

On time? Fudge no... many issues for customers on that end.

Refund Issues? Many.

He keeps his "pals" or "customers" in the best range vs. those he has had issues with. I can only imagine what the rating would really be for some of these companies if he wasn't a paid spokesman.

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March 01, 2015, 03:06:01 PM
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Yes only took over a year of complaints to get it right? You are welcome for all the homework I did for you to fix your rating. Imagine how many people would have been saved buying the lies of Marto74 if you had done a better job. Too little too late.

If you want to quote quotes then how about this one when I said I would fix their rating, dated before yours. You see, you're not happy if I don't change the rating. You're not happy if I do change the rating. That makes you a bully.

There is PLENTY more available on technobit outright fraud but Dogie I guess is a paid spokesmen for them as well given that rating seems to be a few of those type ratings in his guide. Minersource to my knowledge has also defrauded at least one other fabricator like the claim black arrow made and have as Gleb said left a trail of broken contracts beyond what you read in these forums typically. Do not deal with either company. Further just avoid Dogie's hardware guide too many inconsistencies with regards to turning a blind eye to fraud or lack of ethics.

1) My guide has nothing to do with minersource, resellers are not manufacturers.
2) What you failed to mention is that order delays don't fall under "ethics" as they are not ethical infractions, something you'd know if you'd bothered to read the criterion before calling me a fraud.
3) Technobit's ratings for on time deliveries and refund issues are too high however, and will be corrected in the next update. See? That was easy, when something is wrong all you have to do is point it out, again rather than calling me a fraud.
4) No I am not a paid spokesman [not spokesmen] for Technobit, otherwise you'd see a message about that. I don't do deals in the dark, there is a reason everything I do is done in the bright light of the forums.
5) Scam accusations subforum is over here, let me know when you've posted it.

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March 01, 2015, 06:56:46 PM
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Just be careful so you don't get banned for bump-spamming. That's out of Dogies hands.
Kinda like bump-spamming, trolling, and derailing with your pointless Star Trek images ?
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Just be careful so you don't get banned for bump-spamming. That's out of Dogies hands.
Kinda like bump-spamming, trolling, and derailing with your pointless Star Trek images ?

If you don't see the point that's your problem. Besides, who doesn't love Star Trek?

Edit: mods don't like Star Trek. Guess it watered out the acidic hatred. Gotta love "The Bitcoin Community".

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Speaking of taking acid, how about them S5 pre-orders Dogie? Any input on Bitmain's decision to do that?

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Speaking of taking acid, how about them S5 pre-orders Dogie? Any input on Bitmain's decision to do that?

It's like they couldn't show any more contempt towards miners if they tried.

Very sad to see this happen to Bitmain - Becoming so unscrupulously and wantonly greedy Sad

Price bump +25% hours within relaunch. What a fucking unforgivable shit-show.

I can't support this behavior. Somehow, I suspect Bitmain just doesn't give a flying fuck about us small players any more, and was looking for any excuse to gouge us on price once they saw the demand spike after they became available again.

Total transparent cash grab.

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Agreed.  

4 months to ROI with FREE electricity and ZERO difficulty increase (aka zero chance to ROI regardless of what other manufacturers do or do not release). They couldn't spit on us harder if they replaced every staff member with Llamas.

I feel bad for whoever falls for this trap.  Dogie, we are throwing you a bone here, this is your chance to redeem yourself.  Do you support this decision by Bitmain or not? Are you going to reflect this decision of theirs in your guide? If it wasn't before, your credibility is on the line now.

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It's like they couldn't show any more contempt towards miners if they tried.

Very sad to see this happen to Bitmain - Becoming so unscrupulously and wantonly greedy Sad

Price bump +25% hours within relaunch. What a fucking unforgivable shit-show.

I can't support this behavior. Somehow, I suspect Bitmain just doesn't give a flying fuck about us small players any more, and was looking for any excuse to gouge us on price once they saw the demand spike after they became available again.

Total transparent cash grab.

The price gouging is bad, but the preorders 3 months out is just ridiculous. (wait an extra 2.5 months and you get to save a staggering $32)
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Dogie, we are throwing you a bone here, this is your chance to redeem yourself.  Do you support this decision by Bitmain or not? Are you going to reflect this decision of theirs in your guide? If it wasn't before, your credibility is on the line now.

I absolutely don't support it and they'll go down to mixed in the next update unless something changes. There is actually a rational explanation for the long preorder, I'll let Bitmain explain it through.


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Please allow us to clarify:
In order to commit the reservation requirement of Large Buy, Batch 6 S5 scheduled to be shipped in 3 months was online last night, while it is just the links which is gathering and confirming the Large Buy's purchase, is not for the purchase of Retail Sales.


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But the three-weeks-out purchase for Batch 5 definitely is. And the extra $100 profit margin you're shamelessly padding based on speculation that in the long run it won't hurt your customers quite as much as they think it will, please clarify that as well.

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I am disappointed in the price hike, but not surprised. Honestly the ratings do not matter anymore since only Bitmain is going to be selling to us home miners. From what I read Spondoolies is not going to sell home gear?
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I am disappointed in the price hike, but not surprised. Honestly the ratings do not matter anymore since only Bitmain is going to be selling to us home miners. From what I read Spondoolies is not going to sell home gear?

that is my understanding.....the president of the company says he just can't figure out a way to make a home miner 'fly' so to speak...if frigging BTC price was to jump
to 500 usd I"m sure that would change (with probably a 5-7 month turn around to develop and get a unit out to home miners) but as of now...there is gonna be a definite 'lag' in
home miners ..even with the above as a possibility..but man the btc price would have to really pop up imho for that to happen

as a side note: this is even 'worse' for pow scrypt miners ..the 300mh KNC (prob 90% of units of this size) and Innosilicon (maybe the other 10%) are the biggest ones
out there...but as far as knc ..no more (prob want folk to pre-order anyway which would not fly)..so no asic's in data halls or home miners or anything at all at this price
point for btc/ltc for scrypt and likely the same for bitcoin

need that price to pop up big time for this all to change imho and again..would still be significant lag time to get one out..and that probably would just drive
the difficulty up faster with the big data halls anyway like knc so home mining is probably dead even under the 500 usd price rise scenario.....I doubt any kind of
home miner will be made again ...of any real note...that you can roi with even under 2014's version of miners (which was not great in a price vs coin scenario either)






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March 11, 2015, 01:58:18 AM
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I don't know maybe bitmaintech's move makes some sense.  they sold more then 300 of them in 36 hours on btc sales alone.


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The avalon while nice costs 2.1btc shipped to the usa.  Once you go past 875gh on it the power goes up quickly.  Its best numbers come around 700-725gh. 

So 2.1btc = 617 usd 


I like this pricing idea of 469 usd shipped.  When compared to the avalon it is 150 usd less .

 So 850gh at 617 usd  watts per gh at this level = .58
or 1150gh at 469 usd  watts per gh at this level = .52


seems like a bargain  compared to the avalon 4.1 yeah loud as fuck but 30 dollars in mods and it is quiet.

So if you want new gear they are kind of the only game in town.


My problem is this 3 quick price jumps and people are still buying the gear. I blame the buyers more then I do bitmaintech.

Bitmaintech even told them coins are going up yet the people have spent more then 500 coins in 1 ¾ days buying the gear.




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March 11, 2015, 02:06:44 AM
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So at no point does ability to ROI come into play for your choice of miners?  I understand you are an enthusiast Philip, but your opinion on this board holds sway. I don't think it's very considerate to encourage purchase of this hardware for people who have any intention to make (or even not lose) money, when it would require minimum 4 months to ROI without even factoring electricity cost or difficulty increases.  That is just not realistic, and I don't know how you could "like the pricing" by any stretch.  The pricing before the increase (with or without forseeable difficulty increases on the horizon) was not incredibly lucrative, it is on a different level of crazy now.

edit: amazing how this one topic has spread across pretty much every thread in hardware.  Sorry dogie, my only intention on posting here earlier was to bring up the matter of Bitmain and pre-orders, and the fact that you should downgrade them on the next update in the context of pre-orders.

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Last edit: April 14, 2015, 05:59:30 AM by Bicknellski
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So at no point does ability to ROI come into play for your choice of miners?  I understand you are an enthusiast Philip, but your opinion on this board holds sway. I don't think it's very considerate to encourage purchase of this hardware for people who have any intention to make (or even not lose) money, when it would require minimum 4 months to ROI without even factoring electricity cost or difficulty increases.  That is just not realistic, and I don't know how you could "like the pricing" by any stretch.  The pricing before the increase (with or without forseeable difficulty increases on the horizon) was not incredibly lucrative, it is on a different level of crazy now.

edit: amazing how this one topic has spread across pretty much every thread in hardware.  Sorry dogie, my only intention on posting here earlier was to bring up the matter of Bitmain and pre-orders, and the fact that you should downgrade them on the next update in the context of pre-orders.

Have to agree 100% Finksy.

There is certainly a 'fiduciary' responsibility for anyone posting hardware reviews and guides etc to warn consumers of bad deals but this guide in particular is not concerned with that aspect and never has. It is primarily concerned with telling you what hardware is "good" although it lags significantly behind the consumers in what really is value for money given how long it takes to see ratings adjusted to the reality of the marketplace.

Currently there are no such ROI hardware deals available to the average small user and there will never be a time when that is possible ever again. Only with economies of scale in both electricity and purchasing power of hardware can anyone hope to recoup their investment and that has been the case for about 4 to 5 months now.

It is disingenuous to keep promoting mining hardware especially to the less knowledgeable or newer people who come into this forum subsection.

As for Bitmain I don't think it is right or wrong what price they set. Simply DO NOT BUY over priced or pre-order units simple. Be a smart consumer.

Edit: note that dogie sells his freebie miners in order to recoup his time invested. He doesn t keep the equipmement to mine it to recoup. That is a very telling point as he knows that the only way to get his return on his invested time is to dump miners fast for quick cash which is the only way currently to break even after a short mining run. Hypocritically he still promotes miner sales.

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