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July 03, 2018, 04:03:52 PM
Last edit: July 05, 2018, 10:38:21 PM by cryptohunter
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the main alt board is a total unregulated mess
90% of comments on all threads now are parroting crap with no extra value than what is contained in the first reply (usually that has no value either only to pump a new ICO)

this has turned into an envirnoment with people riddling the board for a few cents from bounty campaigns

if we can't implement this let's ban all sigs on this entire board including legends.


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July 03, 2018, 04:44:12 PM
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To those who think the frog pond is useless, why aren't you using serious discussion and ivery tower? It's quite a struggle to get reponses there, although it is improving a bit. It would be even better if juniors couldn't start threads in serious discussion.

I've added a photography section to Fit to Talk -  The photography and content production board

Hopefully we can use this to help members earn from using budget photo kit whilst they practice their English
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July 03, 2018, 06:41:07 PM
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All of your simple answers in the first post has weaknesses which already mentioned by other members, and i hope you can conclude that there is no simple answer to this problem. It will never be simple because it involves a lot of people, opinion, thing to consider, etc.

if we can't implement this let's ban all sigs on this entire board including legends.

The best way is this, but it is also the hardest way because it is kinda like "the life" of this forum. It attracts people,post,etc, basically traffic. Admin said that is is not an option too though.

The simple thing that can be done is, fight fire with water, hand to hand, If there are numerous spammer, then we need numerous of reporters too. It is like a social work, but i think it will work if a lot of people doing it.
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July 03, 2018, 09:17:59 PM
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The simple thing that can be done is, fight fire with water, hand to hand, If there are numerous spammer, then we need numerous of reporters too. It is like a social work, but i think it will work if a lot of people doing it.
I would be curious to how many users are reporting weekly, and how many messages are being reported on a weekly basis. An educated guess would be that there just isn't enough users reporting. However, without the in depth statistics that theymos likely has access too it might well not be the case, and there's simply just too much spam currently, and restrictions would be the better option.

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July 03, 2018, 10:01:23 PM
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I would be curious to how many users are reporting weekly, and how many messages are being reported on a weekly basis. An educated guess would be that there just isn't enough users reporting. However, without the in depth statistics that theymos likely has access too it might well not be the case, and there's simply just too much spam currently, and restrictions would be the better option.
Yeah, there aren't enough reporters, only a few people who are like full-on dedicated to this forum report posts. And theymos will never bring in restrictions. He has said that he would ban signatures ultimately if the spam increases, but this is definitely not going to happen in the near future.

Honestly, just let things be the way they are. Spam cannot be reduced by putting merit restrictions. People would just find loopholes.

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July 03, 2018, 11:53:39 PM
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Honestly, just let things be the way they are. Spam cannot be reduced by putting merit restrictions. People would just find loopholes.

I think merit restriction will reduce spam in the long run, as new spammers accounts are now worthless.
In a few months/years some of those high rank spammers accounts will be reported and banned. It's a slow process, but I think the forum is on the right path now.

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July 04, 2018, 02:28:20 PM
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All of your simple answers in the first post has weaknesses which already mentioned by other members, and i hope you can conclude that there is no simple answer to this problem. It will never be simple because it involves a lot of people, opinion, thing to consider, etc.

if we can't implement this let's ban all sigs on this entire board including legends.

The best way is this, but it is also the hardest way because it is kinda like "the life" of this forum. It attracts people,post,etc, basically traffic. Admin said that is is not an option too though.

The simple thing that can be done is, fight fire with water, hand to hand, If there are numerous spammer, then we need numerous of reporters too. It is like a social work, but i think it will work if a lot of people doing it.
Btw, is there a way to mass report those 2 words long shitty posts? It took me 2 hrs for just reporting around 100 of these posts.

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July 05, 2018, 10:13:13 PM
Last edit: July 05, 2018, 10:36:03 PM by cryptohunter
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All of your simple answers in the first post has weaknesses which already mentioned by other members, and i hope you can conclude that there is no simple answer to this problem. It will never be simple because it involves a lot of people, opinion, thing to consider, etc.

if we can't implement this let's ban all sigs on this entire board including legends.

The best way is this, but it is also the hardest way because it is kinda like "the life" of this forum. It attracts people,post,etc, basically traffic. Admin said that is is not an option too though.

The simple thing that can be done is, fight fire with water, hand to hand, If there are numerous spammer, then we need numerous of reporters too. It is like a social work, but i think it will work if a lot of people doing it.

Can you highlight these weaknesses that other members have highlighted ... because I see only they are suggesting there are workarounds that make it a lot harder for ico spammers and people just here to milk a few cents.

As i have said there are workarounds for many things .... the trick is making it not worth their time and effort. Well not for most of them anyway.

Also it pretty hard to prove spam from just people posting pointless parroting statements (that may just be harmless noobs wanting to boost post count - which is perhaps not as bad as pure ico puppet spam)

Let's just give it a whirl 100 or 50 merit to start a thread on the main boards and see how we go.

If this dont work lets just get rid of sigs altogether except for paid members here and make it expensive. I would def give up my sig if everyone else does. Whilst the board is being viewed as just a way to milk a few cents or many bucks for some it will just crush the quality of the posts. The speed the alt board moves makes it worthless when it is 99% junk pumping the latest ico or repeating news that has been posted 20x before in the last day.

 If you are a genuine poster you only post when you really want to know something that can not be found by searching or if you have something you think is of genuine use to others, If there is money to be made by posting you start seeing a huge reduction in quality from account farmers and people (kids) who just want to earn a few bucks per day (nothing wrong with that but keep that to the junior boards so we can find good content on the main boards without sifting through pages of repetitive worthless junk.

I think people saying there are workarounds are correct but that is not a reason to NOT make it harder to ruin the board with spam. There are workarounds to your home security but you don't leave the door open and unlocked with no alarm set do you?

I think we need more mods too perhaps 5 or 6 on the alt main board who are monitoring it 24/7

The bitcoin main board does not seem to be as ruined as the alt main board. I think it must be moderated more strongly.

I mean I'm not usually one to care to much about rigid rules and love freedom of speech this board permits it is excellent... but there are people or groups really abusing it to the point where it is hard to find anything useful to read on there now. Hordes of what I expect are really young kids who should be allowed to post as they wish ...but on a junior board.

I'm trying to figure out if there really are people who will read the first reply to a post and copy the content but just use different words to express exactly the same thing over and over and over again even if they see 50 people have done this before them or if it is some bots running that are just doing this.

Loopholes are in everything but it is effort to reward ratio.. 

It is strange that so many legends/heros are against it.

I accept there could be a very good reason to not introduce it but as yet I have not seen a good reason. I have seen legitimate claims there will be workarounds but that is not a specifically good reason not to try it is it?

It's a shame the theymos can't explain his reasoning for flat out refusing to try it. He's obviously a smart guy so perhaps there are things about how the board functions that I am not factoring in.

I understand things that seem simple are often quite complex the deeper the understanding you have of them are. I am not saying I am smart enough to solve this issue with one obvious idea that I'm sure anyone would naturally assume would be a simple step to reducing the nonsense posting. I'm sure there are a huge amount of factors to consider so perhaps there is another way or perhaps some extra tweaks to this idea that could almost provide a decentralised moderation of this situation by proven senior members without actually giving them full mod powers... perhaps through smerits alone it could be done.








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