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February 10, 2014, 09:05:12 PM
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Just sent out 1200 transactions for 1 satoshi each.
Spam attack on the bitcoin network?

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February 10, 2014, 09:07:31 PM
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This doesn't look good..
It is obviously some kind of attack...

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February 10, 2014, 09:09:33 PM
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This address too: 1SochiWwFFySPjQoi2biVftXn8NRPCSQC

Should anyone who receives a deposit from one of these addresses be worried?
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February 10, 2014, 09:10:17 PM
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This address too: 1SochiWwFFySPjQoi2biVftXn8NRPCSQC

Should anyone who receives a deposit from one of these addresses be worried?

No.. I would be more worried about the blockchain itself..

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February 10, 2014, 09:11:49 PM
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I lolled. Why should we be worried? You can sent out 1200 transactions of 1 satoshi's without a problem. Why should we care? If it ever confirms or gets confirmed at all is the real question and the answer to that is most likely not. Almost all miners will simply ignore this transaction.

Edit: The people who receive it shouldn't be to worried. It might happen that they need to pay a higher transaction fee when they receive this payment, but that's all as far as I know.

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February 10, 2014, 09:12:57 PM
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I lolled. Why should we be worried? You can sent out 1200 transactions of 1 satoshi's without a problem. If it ever confirms or get confirmed at all is the second question and the answer to that is most likely not. Almost all miners will simply ignore this transaction.

What if its a test for something bigger?  What if someone decides to try 12,000,000 transactions now..

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February 10, 2014, 09:14:04 PM
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I lolled. Why should we be worried? You can sent out 1200 transactions of 1 satoshi's without a problem. If it ever confirms or get confirmed at all is the second question and the answer to that is most likely not. Almost all miners will simply ignore this transaction.

What if its a test for something bigger?  What if someone decides to try 12,000,000 transactions now..


OMG!  Or worse?!  What if somebody decides to try to send 22,000,000 1BTC transactions!
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February 10, 2014, 09:14:44 PM
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This address too: 1SochiWwFFySPjQoi2biVftXn8NRPCSQC

Should anyone who receives a deposit from one of these addresses be worried?

Worried?  About what?

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February 10, 2014, 09:15:27 PM
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No.. I would be more worried about the blockchain itself..

Why?

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February 10, 2014, 09:15:35 PM
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I lolled. Why should we be worried? You can sent out 1200 transactions of 1 satoshi's without a problem. If it ever confirms or get confirmed at all is the second question and the answer to that is most likely not. Almost all miners will simply ignore this transaction.

What if its a test for something bigger?  What if someone decides to try 12,000,000 transactions now..


OMG!  Or worse?!  What if somebody decides to try to send 22,000,000 1BTC transactions!

what if the blockchain begins to think for itself and pulls skynet on our asses?  

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February 10, 2014, 09:16:00 PM
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1Enjoy1C4bYBr3tN4sMKxvvJDqG8NkdR4Z
Just sent out 1200 transactions for 1 satoshi each.
Spam attack on the bitcoin network?

This is not the first time.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=282238.0

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February 10, 2014, 09:16:23 PM
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I lolled. Why should we be worried? You can sent out 1200 transactions of 1 satoshi's without a problem. If it ever confirms or get confirmed at all is the second question and the answer to that is most likely not. Almost all miners will simply ignore this transaction.

What if its a test for something bigger?  What if someone decides to try 12,000,000 transactions now..

Well let him test. The network can handle that. Ignoring 12,000,000 1 satoshi transactions is as easy as ignoring 1,200.

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February 10, 2014, 09:17:08 PM
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This address too: 1SochiWwFFySPjQoi2biVftXn8NRPCSQC

Should anyone who receives a deposit from one of these addresses be worried?

No.. I would be more worried about the blockchain itself..

I'm not sure how this could harm the blockchain, even if the transaction had 1M outputs?

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February 10, 2014, 09:20:02 PM
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This address too: 1SochiWwFFySPjQoi2biVftXn8NRPCSQC

Should anyone who receives a deposit from one of these addresses be worried?

No.. I would be more worried about the blockchain itself..

I'm not sure how this could harm the blockchain, even if the transaction had 1M outputs?

excessive blockchain size?

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February 10, 2014, 09:21:05 PM
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I lolled. Why should we be worried? You can sent out 1200 transactions of 1 satoshi's without a problem. If it ever confirms or get confirmed at all is the second question and the answer to that is most likely not. Almost all miners will simply ignore this transaction.

What if its a test for something bigger?  What if someone decides to try 12,000,000 transactions now..


OMG!  Or worse?!  What if somebody decides to try to send 22,000,000 1BTC transactions!

what if the blockchain begins to think for itself and pulls skynet on our asses?  


Aaaaaaaaaaand we got him, folks.  Move on.
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February 10, 2014, 09:25:25 PM
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This address too: 1SochiWwFFySPjQoi2biVftXn8NRPCSQC
Should anyone who receives a deposit from one of these addresses be worried?
No.. I would be more worried about the blockchain itself..
I'm not sure how this could harm the blockchain, even if the transaction had 1M outputs?
excessive blockchain size?

Blocks are limited to 1 megabyte per block, and miners have an incentive to only include large transactions in a block if the transaction pays a sufficient fee.  If a sufficient fee is paid, then the sender has every right to that space in the block.  If a sufficient fee isn't paid, then why would any miner confirm this transaction instead of the hundreds of fee paying transactions that they could confirm instead?

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February 10, 2014, 09:32:26 PM
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with the block limit of 1MB and Gavin A's satoshi dust limit, any transactions that dont fit the criteria get ignored, thus no one is worried

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February 10, 2014, 09:33:38 PM
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whats the minimum transaction size then?

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February 10, 2014, 09:34:31 PM
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whats the minimum transaction size then?

5430 satoshi's as far as I know.

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February 10, 2014, 09:35:25 PM
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Blocks are limited to 1 megabyte per block, and miners have an incentive to only include large transactions in a block if the transaction pays a sufficient fee.  If a sufficient fee is paid, then the sender has every right to that space in the block.  If a sufficient fee isn't paid, then why would any miner confirm this transaction instead of the hundreds of fee paying transactions that they could confirm instead?
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The blockchain is fine then.

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February 10, 2014, 09:38:08 PM
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Still can't figure out the motivation though.. is someone just bored?

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February 10, 2014, 09:45:27 PM
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Enjoy Sochi. A historic week... the first blockchain spam circulating!

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February 10, 2014, 10:05:22 PM
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Still can't figure out the motivation though.. is someone just bored?


It's a test.

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February 10, 2014, 10:06:11 PM
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Ah, I was wondering who had sent me 1 satoshi last night, and why it had only been seen by 2 peers... guess this explains it. Roll Eyes
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February 10, 2014, 10:11:54 PM
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I  wonder where are they getting the addresses?
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February 10, 2014, 10:16:30 PM
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I  wonder where are they getting the addresses?

The address to which I received the satoshi I only use in this forum, in particular in the primedice sig campaign. However, the transactions are visible to anyone through the blockchain, so that isn't much.
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February 10, 2014, 10:23:15 PM
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Getting addresses isn't hard at all. I could write a Bitcoin address scraper in a few minutes, if I wanted too.

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February 10, 2014, 10:24:20 PM
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Still can't figure out the motivation though.. is someone just bored?


It's a test.
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February 10, 2014, 10:52:18 PM
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Getting addresses isn't hard at all. I could write a Bitcoin address scraper in a few minutes, if I wanted too.

A few minutes? Base 58 would take me a few minutes to implement in of it's own.

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February 10, 2014, 10:52:37 PM
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I  wonder where are they getting the addresses?

Probably some distributed database containing a list of used Bitcoin addresses.  Anyone have an idea of a project that does that?
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February 10, 2014, 10:56:21 PM
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Getting addresses isn't hard at all. I could write a Bitcoin address scraper in a few minutes, if I wanted too.

A few minutes? Base 58 would take me a few minutes to implement in of it's own.
Regex my friend, regex.

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February 10, 2014, 10:57:10 PM
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I  wonder where are they getting the addresses?

Probably some distributed database containing a list of used Bitcoin addresses.  Anyone have an idea of a project that does that?

Maybe the dredged em from this forum.

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Getting addresses isn't hard at all. I could write a Bitcoin address scraper in a few minutes, if I wanted too.

A few minutes? Base 58 would take me a few minutes to implement in of it's own.
Regex my friend, regex.

Regex doesn't check the parity of an address to verify it's valid, does it now?  Roll Eyes

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Getting addresses isn't hard at all. I could write a Bitcoin address scraper in a few minutes, if I wanted too.

A few minutes? Base 58 would take me a few minutes to implement in of it's own.
Regex my friend, regex.

Regex doesn't check the parity of an address to verify it's valid, does it now?  Roll Eyes
Nope, but I don't care about that nor did I say that it does that Tongue

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Getting addresses isn't hard at all. I could write a Bitcoin address scraper in a few minutes, if I wanted too.
Then write it, mister 'I can do everything'.

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Getting addresses isn't hard at all. I could write a Bitcoin address scraper in a few minutes, if I wanted too.

A few minutes? Base 58 would take me a few minutes to implement in of it's own.
Regex my friend, regex.

Regex doesn't check the parity of an address to verify it's valid, does it now?  Roll Eyes
Nope, but I don't care about that nor did I say that it does that Tongue

Bitcoind will get angry at you if you parse invalid addresses, so angry, it'll just simply refuse to process any of them.

Getting addresses isn't hard at all. I could write a Bitcoin address scraper in a few minutes, if I wanted too.
Then write it, mister 'I can do everything'.

That's effort though, it's not even a big project.

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What....what is that?? Up in the sky...? OMG... ITS FALLING!!! OMG THE SKY IS FALLING, SELL!!!!!!!!!! RUUUUUUUUN!!!!!!!!!!! SELL!!!!!!!!!!
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February 10, 2014, 11:12:24 PM
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I  wonder where are they getting the addresses?

Probably some distributed database containing a list of used Bitcoin addresses.  Anyone have an idea of a project that does that?

Maybe the dredged em from this forum.

Not sure if serious?
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That's effort though, it's not even a big project.

Um I already have a copy of every single address which has ever been used and it is continually kept up to date.  So do you, so do over a hundred thousand other people on the planet.
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That's effort though, it's not even a big project.

Um I already have a copy of every single address which has ever been used and it is continually kept up to date.  So do you, so do over a hundred thousand other people on the planet.

Wow. God dammit, well played good sir.

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Getting addresses isn't hard at all. I could write a Bitcoin address scraper in a few minutes, if I wanted too.
Then write it, mister 'I can do everything'.
I could if I wanted to, but I don't, so I won't. Sorry.

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True. You could resolve that by simply dumping the addresses (one by one) into the Blockexplorer / blockchain.info's address checker or write up your own script for it (which would bring us back to your point). Oh well. I would use regex to get the addresses from a page and check it afterwords which some other script. But you are right and I should change my statement. I could do something like that in a few hours, depending on how much I browse on YT during the creation progress Roll Eyes

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I could make a spaceship if I wanted to, but I don't, so I won't. Sorry.

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I could make a spaceship if I wanted to, but I don't, so I won't. Sorry.

DeathAndTaxes beat both of us (And congratulations to him, I'm still sitting here like "How the fuck didn't I think of that?"), just rip 'em from the blockchain. Blockchain.info, blockexplorer, bitcoind, and all the rest already do it.

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I could make a spaceship if I wanted to, but I don't, so I won't. Sorry.
Spaceship != script, but if you want to play it that way, sure, go ahead.

Um I already have a copy of every single address which has ever been used and it is continually kept up to date.  So do you, so do over a hundred thousand other people on the planet.
Nice one. Very nice one.

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Spaceship != script, but if you want to play it that way, sure, go ahead.
Spaceship > script; this is the correct formula.

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February 10, 2014, 11:40:33 PM
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A strange thing happen to me today too. Maybe this is common, but it's the first time for me.
I withdrew .033 BTC from Coinex to my BTC address on Blockchain. It appeared right away, then disappeared,
then a short while after receiving the email below it reappeared again.

Transaction Confirmation Failed

A transaction made through Blockchain.info has been removed from our database because it was taking a long time to be included in a block.

Any funds have been returned to your wallet and you can now spend the coins again. Please consider including a larger fee in future transactions.
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February 10, 2014, 11:41:38 PM
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A strange thing happen to me today too. Maybe this is common, but it's the first time for me.
I withdrew .033 BTC from Coinex to my BTC address on Blockchain. It appeared right away, then disappeared,
then a short while after receiving the email below it reappeared again.

Transaction Confirmation Failed

A transaction made through Blockchain.info has been removed from our database because it was taking a long time to be included in a block.

Any funds have been returned to your wallet and you can now spend the coins again. Please consider including a larger fee in future transactions.

I think that's pretty normal.. just make sure you include at least a .0001 fee

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February 10, 2014, 11:50:32 PM
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This address too: 1SochiWwFFySPjQoi2biVftXn8NRPCSQC

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This is a new paradigm people, don't you see? In the matter of weeks, our addresses will all be scraped from the blockchain and we're going to be hit by 1 satoshi spam messages constantly. The silver lining is, if we get enough of these messages, we can make a decent sum of money at the expense of the distrubitors.

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February 11, 2014, 12:17:56 AM
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This address too: 1SochiWwFFySPjQoi2biVftXn8NRPCSQC

Should anyone who receives a deposit from one of these addresses be worried?

Lol somebody just sent me a Satoshi. Very funny.

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February 11, 2014, 12:30:04 AM
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yay! free money!
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yay! free money!

Yay! $700 * 10^-8!

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February 11, 2014, 12:45:39 AM
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Perhaps this is a demonstration of the futility of red-listing tainted BTC (at least without coin control tweaks to the Bitcoin client).
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February 11, 2014, 12:52:49 AM
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The silver lining is, if we get enough of these messages, we can make a decent sum of money at the expense of the distrubitors.

No, because they will never be confirmed.

By the way, do these get thrown out of the mempool after a while?

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The silver lining is, if we get enough of these messages, we can make a decent sum of money at the expense of the distrubitors.

No, because they will never be confirmed.

By the way, do these get thrown out of the mempool after a while?
Each node maintains its own memory pool if it runs out of room it will discard the oldest.  So yes, although there is no set time and the "network" doesn't coordinate it.
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February 11, 2014, 01:13:17 AM
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"They" are trying to find out who you are and what addresses you own:

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1xenyd/just_received_weird_tiny_payments_1sochi_1enjoy/
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=282238.0
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February 11, 2014, 01:44:22 AM
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In my case they are only sending a satoshi to addresses with only a single input (ie cold wallets).  At one point a transaction I made seemed to be a doublespend attempt in the blockchain because of it.

Odd...  mildly concerning.
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... except they'll never get confirmed so none of this is relevant. All they're doing is spamming the mempool for a few hours.


I guess this really is a new form of advertising.
It's kind of smart if you think about it - with the 5430 satoshi limit, sending this much spam into the blockchain is prohibitively expensive. And why bother? Advertisement campaigns are transient anyway. No need to keep a record, just to get the message out there to as many people as possible, if only for a second. Setting up some vanity addresses and sending lots of transactions that will never get confirmed is essentially free, and it gets their message (in this case, "Enjoy Sochi") into the only mempool that really matters - our brains...
Welcome to the age of free, P2P, blockchain-independent advertising.

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February 11, 2014, 02:36:11 AM
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why don't you just Enjoy Sochi and not worry so much??     Tongue

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February 11, 2014, 03:03:57 AM
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Now I feel sad because I haven't received money from 1Enjoy 1Sochi  Undecided

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Now I feel sad because I haven't received money from 1Enjoy 1Sochi  Undecided

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February 11, 2014, 03:17:40 AM
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This address too: 1SochiWwFFySPjQoi2biVftXn8NRPCSQC

Should anyone who receives a deposit from one of these addresses be worried?

I saw a post on reddit the other day asking about deposits from enjoy and sochi addresses. Like tiny amounts. Someone replied and said that who ever is doing that is "dusting" the network for adresses. I am not sure what he meant and he didn't reply but i would still be vigilant. Maybe someone on the forum knows what "dusting" is.

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February 11, 2014, 03:42:07 AM
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My wallet just received two separate transactions for 1 Satoshi from address: 1Bhv6XjXBvraivcATHwwLMscZ5xJm9FsPn
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February 11, 2014, 04:46:46 AM
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Hmm..send me some satoshis and I will send them on their way.
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Reading that I still don't understand how "they" will know what addresses I own or why they would want to.

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February 11, 2014, 12:04:23 PM
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I got a free fraction of a cent.
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February 11, 2014, 12:33:05 PM
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I got a free fraction of a cent.

Did you? Will it ever confirm though?

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February 11, 2014, 01:56:59 PM
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After "Enjoy & Sochi" I now also got spammed by "Play and Win BTC" directly after receiving a payment ...

http://i.imgur.com/TcaFBhB.png?1

https://blockchain.info/nl/tx/53c763d7a835b67eac1db411300bfcb709105748892c5f5b50d415b061636185
https://blockchain.info/address/1Bhv6XjXBvraivcATHwwLMscZ5xJm9FsPn

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February 11, 2014, 02:19:56 PM
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Why do these transactions even get relayed?
https://blockchain.info/de/tx/5fb080b8ba88696a97c44f6ba9bd26185a884fbdcd7a15c427e889915483e312

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Payments (transaction outputs) of 0.543 times the minimum relay fee (0.00005430 BTC) are now considered 'non-standard', because storing them costs the network more than they are worth and spending them will usually cost their owner more in transaction fees than they are worth.
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Non-standard transactions are not relayed across the network, are not included in blocks by most miners, and will not show up in your wallet until they are included in a block.

BTW: Is a transaction that doesn't not match the fee requirement also considered as a non standard tx?

EDIT: Seems like the the sender is directly connected to Blockchain.info
https://blockchain.info/de/ip-address/83.223.162.123
But this doesn't not explain why people receive them in their wallets.

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It's not as far as I know.

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I've got a feeling this type of spamming will unfortunately become more common. Anyone know if the devs are working on a solution to this? Will it become a big problem or is it just a minor annoyance?

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This has happened before and it has stopped before. Don't panic.

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February 11, 2014, 02:57:41 PM
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This has happened before and it has stopped before. Don't panic.

Are you sure it's nothing malicious or anything to worry about?

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This has happened before and it has stopped before. Don't panic.

Are you sure it's nothing malicious or anything to worry about?

It's probably just spam. I don't see how it could be malicious.

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February 11, 2014, 03:01:22 PM
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Its kind of annoying.  I cant sweep paper wallets because of unconfirmed transactions.  I have to add Watch Only and spend from there but whatever I guess.

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This has happened before and it has stopped before. Don't panic.

Are you sure it's nothing malicious or anything to worry about?
Well, someone could keep track of the Bitcoins or try and figure out to whom that address belongs, but that's about it I guess. I wouldn't worry about it.

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This has happened before and it has stopped before. Don't panic.

Are you sure it's nothing malicious or anything to worry about?
Well, someone could keep track of the Bitcoins or try and figure out to whom that address belongs, but that's about it I guess. I wouldn't worry about it.

I don't understand how they could do that?  Huh Is there a link anywhere explaining how it's possible?

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February 11, 2014, 05:45:58 PM
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I've got a feeling this type of spamming will unfortunately become more common. Anyone know if the devs are working on a solution to this? Will it become a big problem or is it just a minor annoyance?

Actually it is a problem.   One place I was trying to make a deposit too is blocked because their software isn't looking past the unconfirmed transactions.   Who knows how many places this is going to cause trouble with.

It is also very concerning that someone might be dusting to find valid wallets.   Maybe they are planning on trying to mine wallets, which should be too hard but who knows for sure?
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February 11, 2014, 05:48:09 PM
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This has happened before and it has stopped before. Don't panic.

Are you sure it's nothing malicious or anything to worry about?

It's probably just spam. I don't see how it could be malicious.

It is interfering with normal transactions.   Maybe not everywhere but at least some operations.   
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February 11, 2014, 06:55:52 PM
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I got a free fraction of a cent.

So did I!!

I received a payment from 1Enjoy to my phone wallet, this is a new phone and has only been used about a handful of times.
I payment came just after i revived a payment in person from someone, it was most strange.

I sent all the balance - the payment to an exchange and sold them. Going to delete the phone wallet with the unconfirmed  payment now.
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February 11, 2014, 07:07:58 PM
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I've got a feeling this type of spamming will unfortunately become more common. Anyone know if the devs are working on a solution to this? Will it become a big problem or is it just a minor annoyance?

Actually it is a problem.   One place I was trying to make a deposit too is blocked because their software isn't looking past the unconfirmed transactions.   Who knows how many places this is going to cause trouble with.

It is also very concerning that someone might be dusting to find valid wallets.   Maybe they are planning on trying to mine wallets, which should be too hard but who knows for sure?


What is dusting and what do you mean by mine them?

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February 11, 2014, 07:19:11 PM
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I've got a feeling this type of spamming will unfortunately become more common. Anyone know if the devs are working on a solution to this? Will it become a big problem or is it just a minor annoyance?

Actually it is a problem.   One place I was trying to make a deposit too is blocked because their software isn't looking past the unconfirmed transactions.   Who knows how many places this is going to cause trouble with.

It is also very concerning that someone might be dusting to find valid wallets.   Maybe they are planning on trying to mine wallets, which should be too hard but who knows for sure?


What is dusting and what do you mean by mine them?

He has no idea. 

Someone sending you money isn't an attack.  It might be annoying but it isn't an attack, otherwise people would attack each other by sending them pennies in the mail.

When you think about it a Bitcoin address is very much like a postal address.  You can't prevent someone from sending you mail, you can't prevent someone from sending you money in the mail, you can't prevent someone from sending bitcoins to an address that is public (and any address you ever received funds from is public).
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February 11, 2014, 07:42:34 PM
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I've got a feeling this type of spamming will unfortunately become more common. Anyone know if the devs are working on a solution to this? Will it become a big problem or is it just a minor annoyance?

Actually it is a problem.   One place I was trying to make a deposit too is blocked because their software isn't looking past the unconfirmed transactions.   Who knows how many places this is going to cause trouble with.

It is also very concerning that someone might be dusting to find valid wallets.   Maybe they are planning on trying to mine wallets, which should be too hard but who knows for sure?


What is dusting and what do you mean by mine them?

He has no idea. 

Someone sending you money isn't an attack.  It might be annoying but it isn't an attack, otherwise people would attack each other by sending them pennies in the mail.

When you think about it a Bitcoin address is very much like a postal address.  You can't prevent someone from sending you mail, you can't prevent someone from sending you money in the mail, you can't prevent someone from sending bitcoins to an address that is public (and any address you ever received funds from is public).


What if these pennies end up landing in people's paper wallets?
I read that multiple deposits to paper wallets could render them unusable.
I hope I am wrong.
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February 11, 2014, 07:44:18 PM
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What if these pennies end up landing in people's paper wallets?
I read that multiple deposits to paper wallets could render them unusable.
I hope I am wrong.
That is pure bullshit. Why would a paper wallet become unusable because of a dust transaction that will never be confirmed? Makes no sense to me.

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What if these pennies end up landing in people's paper wallets?
I read that multiple deposits to paper wallets could render them unusable.
I hope I am wrong.
That is pure bullshit. Why would a paper wallet become unusable because of a dust transaction that will never be confirmed? Makes no sense to me.

Some people tend to think you can only use paper wallets once for some reason.
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February 11, 2014, 07:46:42 PM
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This address too: 1SochiWwFFySPjQoi2biVftXn8NRPCSQC

Should anyone who receives a deposit from one of these addresses be worried?

I saw a post on reddit the other day asking about deposits from enjoy and sochi addresses. Like tiny amounts. Someone replied and said that who ever is doing that is "dusting" the network for adresses. I am not sure what he meant and he didn't reply but i would still be vigilant. Maybe someone on the forum knows what "dusting" is.


It means making the environment (i.e blockchain, in this case) foggy. But it wont affect the blockchain as it might look to a newbie person.

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February 11, 2014, 09:27:12 PM
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What if these pennies end up landing in people's paper wallets?
I read that multiple deposits to paper wallets could render them unusable.
I hope I am wrong.
That is pure bullshit. Why would a paper wallet become unusable because of a dust transaction that will never be confirmed? Makes no sense to me.

It isn't BS.  It depends on the software being used.   At least two places now are broken because of this unconfirmed transaction.  (Likely many more. We shouldn't assume all software handles this fine.)

1) At scrypt.cc I was trying to make a deposit and it was blocked by this kind of unconfirmed transaction.   Granted they need to fix their end.   They manually funded my account and changed my wallet.   (Real painful, but they were very responsive)
2) There have been reports that the unconfirmed transaction blocks the blockchain.info sweep feature used with paper wallets.

Basically this unwanted satoshi spam isn't harmless.   These can be worked around but a naive user may get blocked.    
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I've got a feeling this type of spamming will unfortunately become more common. Anyone know if the devs are working on a solution to this? Will it become a big problem or is it just a minor annoyance?

Actually it is a problem.   One place I was trying to make a deposit too is blocked because their software isn't looking past the unconfirmed transactions.   Who knows how many places this is going to cause trouble with.

It is also very concerning that someone might be dusting to find valid wallets.   Maybe they are planning on trying to mine wallets, which should be too hard but who knows for sure?


What is dusting and what do you mean by mine them?

Dusting is just creating a lot of very small transactions.   It wastes space in the block chain with these dust transactions that still take up room.   I'm not clear on all the applications of it.   There are some theories on how it could be used to help track a wallet back to an IP.   Another use might be to try to build a list of valid address.   In theory one could generate private keys and see if they match any of the list of known wallets.   If you get a hit you have a valid private key.   That approach is unlikely to work, but it doesn't stop someone from trying. 
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February 11, 2014, 09:45:06 PM
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What if these pennies end up landing in people's paper wallets?
I read that multiple deposits to paper wallets could render them unusable.
I hope I am wrong.
That is pure bullshit. Why would a paper wallet become unusable because of a dust transaction that will never be confirmed? Makes no sense to me.

Some people tend to think you can only use paper wallets once for some reason.

You shouldn't re use a paper wallet after you import it into QT client and SPEND.  This is because the QT client sends the change to a new address.  So if you assume it went back to the original address, and then deleted the QT wallet you will lose coins.

You can receive an unlimited number of transactions TO a paper wallet.  They wouldn't be very useful otherwise.  Someone sending you can extra satoshi will do absolutely no harm to a paper wallet.  Unless some miner is very generous it is very likely the tx will never confirm anyways and will eventually be dropped by the network.
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Dusting is just creating a lot of very small transactions.   It wastes space in the block chain with these dust transactions that still take up room.   I'm not clear on all the applications of it.   There are some theories on how it could be used to help track a wallet back to an IP.

Wrong theories aren't worth much.  Transactions aren't sent to a particular address, there is nothing to trace.

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Another use might be to try to build a list of valid address.   In theory one could generate private keys and see if they match any of the list of known wallets.   If you get a hit you have a valid private key.   That approach is unlikely to work, but it doesn't stop someone from trying.

Um there is thing called the blockchain which already contains every valid address that has received bitcoins.  For an "attacker" to send you a satoshi they would already by definition need to know your address and know it is valid.   

Bitcoin private keys can't be brute forced.  There isn't enough energy in our solar system.   If they could then someone sending you a satoshi is the least of your worries. 
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Why do these transactions even get relayed?
https://blockchain.info/de/tx/5fb080b8ba88696a97c44f6ba9bd26185a884fbdcd7a15c427e889915483e312

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Payments (transaction outputs) of 0.543 times the minimum relay fee (0.00005430 BTC) are now considered 'non-standard', because storing them costs the network more than they are worth and spending them will usually cost their owner more in transaction fees than they are worth.
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Non-standard transactions are not relayed across the network, are not included in blocks by most miners, and will not show up in your wallet until they are included in a block.

BTW: Is a transaction that doesn't not match the fee requirement also considered as a non standard tx?

EDIT: Seems like the the sender is directly connected to Blockchain.info
https://blockchain.info/de/ip-address/83.223.162.123
But this doesn't not explain why people receive them in their wallets.

There is no hard protocol rule which handles relaying.  A node can choose to relay whatever it wants.  While it is true the reference client won't relay these transactions I see two possibilities:
a) the "attacker" is directly connected to the receivers who see the spam.  The attacker can relay whatever it wants and while the QT client won't relay spam it will retain a local copy once it knows about it.

and/or

b) blockchain.info is relaying non-standard transactions and thus in this case making things worse.  Blockchain.info is connected to a lot of nodes so if it chooses to relay spam a lot of end users will end up seeing it.

It is also possible some other clients may relay tx below the 5430 sat threshold, and users running older versions of the bitcoin client will also continue to relay these types of transactions, but while they may expand the scope alone I doubt they alone have enough "coverage" without a or b above.

The best way to find out would be for someone who received the spam tx to record where they received the tx message from.  Not the sending bitcoin address but which peer sent the the tx message to their node.  Alas sadly I wasn't spammed so I can't help.

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Thanks for you replay DeathAndTaxes.

I also thought also about b). If you know that Blockchain.info relays spam, why relay the tx to all nodes yourself.

So the Reference Implementation doesn't not relay non-standard tx but doesn't ignore them either if they belong to your own wallet.
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This is only true if no one relays the tx to you.

I am wondering how many nodes have these txs in their mempool. I really need to set up a node.

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What if these pennies end up landing in people's paper wallets?
I read that multiple deposits to paper wallets could render them unusable.
I hope I am wrong.
That is pure bullshit. Why would a paper wallet become unusable because of a dust transaction that will never be confirmed? Makes no sense to me.
Too many people here talk before acquiring enough knowledge, sadly.
Correct, a paper wallet can not become unusable because of a dust transaction when even if it would get confirmed.

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What if these pennies end up landing in people's paper wallets?
I read that multiple deposits to paper wallets could render them unusable.
I hope I am wrong.
That is pure bullshit. Why would a paper wallet become unusable because of a dust transaction that will never be confirmed? Makes no sense to me.
Too many people here talk before acquiring enough knowledge, sadly.
Correct, a paper wallet can not become unusable because of a dust transaction when even if it would get confirmed.
I'm glad that I was correct, because I thought that I was going insane and that I should read up on the Bitcoin Network, again.

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I'm glad that I was correct, because I thought that I was going insane and that I should read up on the Bitcoin Network, again.
That would be a pretty stupid fault in the network, using common sense one must realize that this is not the case.
90-95% users here now lack a fair amount of knowledge, I don't even wanna begin imagining how they see the complex stuff..

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This has happened before and it has stopped before. Don't panic.

Are you sure it's nothing malicious or anything to worry about?

It's probably just spam. I don't see how it could be malicious.

It is interfering with normal transactions.   Maybe not everywhere but at least some operations.  

Does your client not order by transactions with most priority unless manually stated otherwise? I don't think 1*10^-8 will have a very large priority. Also, I'm feeling left out, no unknown transactions received, just donations, payments, and, outputs from a few of scripts I have running collecting BTC.

EDIT:- Actually, I just realized I'm only connected to (From my house-hold) two (Self-owned) latest-version bitcoind applications with the 0.00005430 bitcoin minimum, so, many I have, but, they didn't relay them to me. Oh well.

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Is the person doing this manually though? It would take a lot of time to do this for little gain.

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Is the person doing this manually though? It would take a lot of time to do this for little gain.

Obviously we can't tell for sure, but, the answer is 99.999% no, it's automated.

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It is interfering with normal transactions.   Maybe not everywhere but at least some operations.  
No it does not. Please educate yourself before posting nonsense.
These transactions will most likely never be confirmed anyways. They have no impact on the network.

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there's nothing wrong with *any* of this!!  it just means more money for the end user!!
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I'm glad that I was correct, because I thought that I was going insane and that I should read up on the Bitcoin Network, again.
That would be a pretty stupid fault in the network, using common sense one must realize that this is not the case.
90-95% users here now lack a fair amount of knowledge, I don't even wanna begin imagining how they see the complex stuff..
+1 for you. And well, here is an example on how they treat complex stuff. It's not that complex, but oh well. Someone states that nLockTime is used for Reverse Transactions. I could be wrong about my statement, but I highly doubt it since I used it to create LockMyCoins (which is currently being redone).

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It is interfering with normal transactions.   Maybe not everywhere but at least some operations.  
No it does not. Please educate yourself before posting nonsense.
These transactions will most likely never be confirmed anyways. They have no impact on the network.

Why do you assume everywhere is running the same software?   That isn't the case.   I had to have a wallet manually updated because the software couldn't accept a deposit while there were unconfirmed transactions.    Of coarse that is a software problem, but this has shown up at two different places I know of, which means there are like a lot more.

Should the software handle it?  Of course, but it takes time to update software and there are always risks.    

Technically the problem is at the edge of the network, not the network itself.  Functionally though it impacts the use of the network.   Over time the problems will be fixed.  

 
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It is interfering with normal transactions.   Maybe not everywhere but at least some operations.  
No it does not. Please educate yourself before posting nonsense.
These transactions will most likely never be confirmed anyways. They have no impact on the network.

I think what he's saying is:-

His client is using the MIN_OUTPUT size out (From 1Enjoy and any other addresses doing this), and, is using it as an input. As his transaction relies on the transaction that'll never be confirmed, his transaction also won't be confirmed.

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Dusting is just creating a lot of very small transactions.   It wastes space in the block chain with these dust transactions that still take up room.   I'm not clear on all the applications of it.   There are some theories on how it could be used to help track a wallet back to an IP.

Wrong theories aren't worth much.  Transactions aren't sent to a particular address, there is nothing to trace.

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Another use might be to try to build a list of valid address.   In theory one could generate private keys and see if they match any of the list of known wallets.   If you get a hit you have a valid private key.   That approach is unlikely to work, but it doesn't stop someone from trying.

Um there is thing called the blockchain which already contains every valid address that has received bitcoins.  For an "attacker" to send you a satoshi they would already by definition need to know your address and know it is valid.   

Bitcoin private keys can't be brute forced.  There isn't enough energy in our solar system.   If they could then someone sending you a satoshi is the least of your worries. 


Hmmm, you are assuming there isn't an undiscovered weakness in the code.   Anyway I clearly said is was unlikely to work.   That doesn't stop someone from trying.   
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Why do you assume everywhere is running the same software?   That isn't the case.   I had to have a wallet manually updated because the software couldn't accept a deposit while there were unconfirmed transactions.    Of coarse that is a software problem, but this has shown up at two different places I know of, which means there are like a lot more.
Should the software handle it?  Of course, but it takes time to update software and there are always risks.    
Technically the problem is at the edge of the network, not the network itself.  Functionally though it impacts the use of the network.   Over time the problems will be fixed.    
That is a problem of your software (and whoever made it). If it does have an effect on it, that does not mean it has one of the network or default client.
That would be a pretty stupid fault in the network, using common sense one must realize that this is not the case.
90-95% users here now lack a fair amount of knowledge, I don't even wanna begin imagining how they see the complex stuff..
+1 for you. And well, here is an example on how they treat complex stuff. It's not that complex, but oh well. Someone states that nLockTime is used for Reverse Transactions. I could be wrong about my statement, but I highly doubt it since I used it to create LockMyCoins (which is currently being redone).
Yeah I've read that topic. I just don't understand these people. I will openly say that I currently do not know what nLockTime is used for, but I do not post about it claiming random nonsense when I lack the knowledge. That seems the problem in many people. You're most likely correct on the matter.

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February 11, 2014, 11:19:46 PM
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Look at the last merges, devs are already fixing the malleability problem
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1xniph/look_at_the_last_merges_devs_are_already_fixing/

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February 11, 2014, 11:24:43 PM
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Yeah I've read that topic. I just don't understand these people. I will openly say that I currently do not know what nLockTime is used for, but I do not post about it claiming random nonsense when I lack the knowledge. That seems the problem in many people. You're most likely correct on the matter.
It's easy. It prevents a transaction from being accepted into the Blockchain before a certain timestamp or block is reached. That is the basic explanation of nLockTime. Nothing more, nothing less.

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February 11, 2014, 11:27:19 PM
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Why do you assume everywhere is running the same software?   That isn't the case.   I had to have a wallet manually updated because the software couldn't accept a deposit while there were unconfirmed transactions.    Of coarse that is a software problem, but this has shown up at two different places I know of, which means there are like a lot more.
Should the software handle it?  Of course, but it takes time to update software and there are always risks.    
Technically the problem is at the edge of the network, not the network itself.  Functionally though it impacts the use of the network.   Over time the problems will be fixed.    
That is a problem of your software (and whoever made it). If it does have an effect on it, that does not mean it has one of the network or default client.

WRONG - It wasn't my software, it was software at a vendor I was trying to use.   So far we know of two different places where this was a problem including the blockchain.info sweep function.   There are likely many more we don't know about.   For most people this makes up what is perceived to be the bitcoin network.   It doesn't matter that it is outside the network for the average person.  

Brushing off this a problem in other people's software is a lame approach.   The simple fact is that these are not valid transactions and should be in the blockchain in the first place.   Granted it is easy to manually work around.   However, if bitcoin is going to go mainstream we really can't afford to have nonsense issues like this.    

How many places are transactions blocked because software is waiting for there be no unconfirmed transactions for a public address?
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February 11, 2014, 11:28:22 PM
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https://bitcoinfoundation.org/blog/?m=201402
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You may have noticed that some exchanges have temporarily suspended withdrawals and wondering what’s going on or more importantly, what’s being done about it. You can be rest assured that we have identified the issue and are collectively and collaboratively working on a solution.
 
Somebody (or several somebodies) is taking advantage of the transaction malleability issue and relaying mutated versions of transactions. This is exposing bugs in both the reference implementation and some exchange’s software.
 
We (core dev team, developers at the exchanges, and even big mining pools) are creating workarounds and fixes right now. This is a denial-of-service attack; whoever is doing this is not stealing coins, but is succeeding in preventing some transactions from confirming. It’s important to note that DoS attacks do not affect people’s bitcoin wallets or funds.
 
Users of the reference implementation who are bitten by this bug may see their bitcoins “tied up” in unconfirmed transactions; we need to update the software to fix that bug, so when they upgrade those coins are returned to the wallet and are available to spend again. Only users who make multiple transactions in a short period of time will be affected.
 
As a result, exchanges are temporarily suspending withdrawals to protect customer funds and prevent funds from being misdirected.
 
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February 11, 2014, 11:31:30 PM
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That is a problem of your software (and whoever made it).
WRONG - It wasn't my software, it was software at a vendor I was trying to use.   So far we know of two different places where this was a problem including the blockchain.info sweep function.   There are likely many more we don't know about.   For most people this makes up what is perceived to be the bitcoin network.   It doesn't matter that it is outside the network for the average person.  
The author of the software. His problem. It is getting fixed anyways, it wasn't a priority issue.
It's easy. It prevents a transaction from being accepted into the Blockchain before a certain timestamp or block is reached. That is the basic explanation of nLockTime. Nothing more, nothing less.
Thanks for that simple explanation. Yet some people don't understand that.

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Thanks for that simple explanation. Yet some people don't understand that.
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That is a problem of your software (and whoever made it).
WRONG - It wasn't my software, it was software at a vendor I was trying to use.   So far we know of two different places where this was a problem including the blockchain.info sweep function.   There are likely many more we don't know about.   For most people this makes up what is perceived to be the bitcoin network.   It doesn't matter that it is outside the network for the average person.  
The author of the software. His problem. It is getting fixed anyways, it wasn't a priority issue.

The point is that as Bitcoin goes mainstream, it can't afford to have these types of issues.  Things need to work smoothly all the time for Bitcoin to succeed.   Granted that in the scheme of current events this is a minor issue.    
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Thanks for that simple explanation. Yet some people don't understand that.
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Thanks for that simple explanation. Yet some people don't understand that.
That's life Wink
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I also thought also about b). If you know that Blockchain.info relays spam, why relay the tx to all nodes yourself.

Well I don't know for sure if it the attacker has a direct connection OR if blockchain.info is relaying these non-standard transactions.  Without being on the receiving end of a spam attack I can't see where it is coming from.

Just putting both out as a possibility.  The attack may be doing all this on his own, or he may be just relaying them to blockchain.info knowing it will do the relaying for him, or he may be relaying them in additional to blockchain.info to increase the "coverage".  The relaying will stop when it hits a reference client so having multiple super nodes "helping" means it will reach more nodes.

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Yes that is a good way to put it.  If you are running the QT client you aren't helping the spammer but if you got spammed it is going to show up.

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This is only true if no one relays the tx to you.

Correct but the reference client (and other clients which enforce the same rules) make up a super majority of the bitcoin nodes.  Unless the attacker or some other custom super node (possibly blockchain.info) has a direct connection to you it is very likely all of your peers will drop these transactions and never rely them to you.

For example, maybe I was spammed and just don't know it because all my direct peers are nodes running the reference client (or one with similar relay rules).
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This should be changed. Right now users can be spammed with thousands of TXs. I am sure having a few hundred TXs in your History that you can't spend sucks. Sure you can prune them with pywallet but 90% of the users won't don't that. Especially mobile users.

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This should be changed. Right now users can be spammed with thousands of TXs. I am sure having a few hundred TXs in your History that you can't spend sucks. Sure you can prune them with pywallet but 90% of the users won't don't that. Especially mobile users.

How would you propose changing it?  I guess optionally you could hide transactions below a certain threshold (possibly the same limit as they will be uneconomical to spend anyways), but you can "undo" Bitcoin transactions even ones you don't "want".
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I wouldn't complain if someone gave me free stuff.. Seriously tho, I can't really see anything to worry about.

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Look at the last merges, devs are already fixing the malleability problem
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1xniph/look_at_the_last_merges_devs_are_already_fixing/

funny that they had to get attacked before they lifted a finger...  snotty asses

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How would you propose changing it?  I guess optionally you could hide transactions below a certain threshold (possibly the same limit as they will be uneconomical to spend anyways), but you can "undo" Bitcoin transactions even ones you don't "want".
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There is one other relevant rule: transactions with very small outputs ("dust" -- around 5,000 satoshis, based on the -minrelaytxfee setting) are considered non-standard and are not relayed.

Simple ignore all non-standard TXs, regardless if they belong to your wallet. Litecoin already has a dust hard limit. All inputs smaller 0.00001 are ignored by the client.
Sure you can remove the spam from your wallet, but implementing a new rule would discourage spam like this.

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I wouldn't complain if someone gave me free stuff.. Seriously tho, I can't really see anything to worry about.
You are not able to spend the "free stuff" (unless a miner includes this spam into a block, which I doubt). It is just there the bloat your wallet and history.

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I wouldn't complain if someone gave me free stuff.. Seriously tho, I can't really see anything to worry about.

That stupid 1 Satoshi spam may have cost me .05 BTC.  It isn't much money but it has at least cost others LOTS of wasted time.  Anytime someone is stealing your time it isn't free.

A wallet I was working with a vendor with got spammed.  Their software won't transfer from a wallet with unconfirmed transactions.   Since it was their wallet I'm at their mercy to manually transfer the funds because the connection between that wallet and my account was broken.  

You can keep your free stuff!  Angry
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 Their software won't transfer from a wallet with unconfirmed transactions.  

might be time to get that fixed?

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 Their software won't transfer from a wallet with unconfirmed transactions.  

might be time to get that fixed?

Yes and that is besides the point.   It is much harder to fix 100's or 1000's of clients instead of have something that cleans the dust out before it causes problems.   The real fix is probably to get the pools to throw out these absurd transactions.   
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Their software won't transfer from a wallet with unconfirmed transactions. 

might be time to get that fixed?

Yes and that is besides the point.   It is much harder to fix 100's or 1000's of clients instead of have something that cleans the dust out before it causes problems.   The real fix is probably to get the pools to throw out these absurd transactions.   

No pool has included these "absurd transactions" that is why it is still unconfirmed.
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Their software won't transfer from a wallet with unconfirmed transactions. 

might be time to get that fixed?

Yes and that is besides the point.   It is much harder to fix 100's or 1000's of clients instead of have something that cleans the dust out before it causes problems.   The real fix is probably to get the pools to throw out these absurd transactions.   

No pool has included these "absurd transactions" that is why it is still unconfirmed.

Ahh ... I stand corrected.
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I lolled. Why should we be worried? You can sent out 1200 transactions of 1 satoshi's without a problem. If it ever confirms or get confirmed at all is the second question and the answer to that is most likely not. Almost all miners will simply ignore this transaction.

What if its a test for something bigger?  What if someone decides to try 12,000,000 transactions now..


OMG!  Or worse?!  What if somebody decides to try to send 22,000,000 1BTC transactions!

what if the blockchain begins to think for itself and pulls skynet on our asses?  

Then we have to find John Connor, or his mom, or the governator, I think.

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Damn, I'm disappointed.  I received 2 satoshis and I was hoping to give them one day to my grandchildren.  Now you guys tell me they will never confirm... Sadness.

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Hm now this dust rule by Gavin is looking good, right? This rule was controversial when implemented. I think that there are many nodes which did not implement this rule.
Is this dust rule hard? When some miners include such transactions (even if the fee is too low, the priority will rise over time).

But this will always be a trade-off. On the one hand we want free transactions. Even the 0.0001btc fee seems to be high, if you only want to send someone 5 oder 10 cents (USD), because the minimum fee is 6cent at the moment. But if you lower the fee, the network get's spamed.


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Bitcoin wasn't created to deal with low value transactions as far as I know. If you want to send an amount that is lower then it's fee, then you are doing something stupid and wrong. But well, that's my opinion.

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Bitcoin wasn't created to deal with low value transactions as far as I know. If you want to send an amount that is lower then it's fee, then you are doing something stupid and wrong. But well, that's my opinion.

Honestly, if you're sending eight cents or less, I have no idea whom you are paying, but, if they don't let eight cents slide, they're pretty cheap.

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Bitcoin wasn't created to deal with low value transactions as far as I know. If you want to send an amount that is lower then it's fee, then you are doing something stupid and wrong. But well, that's my opinion.

Honestly, if you're sending eight cents or less, I have no idea whom you are paying, but, if they don't let eight cents slide, they're pretty cheap.

I could send 8cent to everyone with a good post Smiley

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I received 2 of these satoshi spams too. They don't cause too much harm, just really annoying being there...
So, I just send all my unspent coins (total balance minus the 2 satoshis) to another address,
and let those satoshis rot there.... (out of sight, out of mind)
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I received 2 of these satoshi spams too. They don't cause too much harm, just really annoying being there...
So, I just send all my unspent coins (total balance minus the 2 satoshis) to another address,
and let those satoshis rot there.... (out of sight, out of mind)

So  , have those transactions been confirmed by somebody? I thought no pool will include them.


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So , have those transactions been confirmed by somebody? I thought no pool will include them.

If I misled you, I just want to clarify:
I send away my own coins already in that address, leaving those 2 satoshis behind.

Those spams are over 25kb in size and should pay at least 0.0025btc in fees, but the tx only pays 0.0001btc.
So yes, no pool would include them.
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I received 2 of these satoshi spams too. They don't cause too much harm, just really annoying being there...
So, I just send all my unspent coins (total balance minus the 2 satoshis) to another address,
and let those satoshis rot there.... (out of sight, out of mind)

So  , have those transactions been confirmed by somebody? I thought no pool will include them.



They'll just stay there unconfirmed most probably.

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So , have those transactions been confirmed by somebody? I thought no pool will include them.

If I misled you, I just want to clarify:
I send away my own coins already in that address, leaving those 2 satoshis behind.

Those spams are over 25kb in size and should pay at least 0.0025btc in fees, but the tx only pays 0.0001btc.
So yes, no pool would include them.


No, you can still send transaction with no fee. You just have to wait a time, until they get confirmed. The problem with this spam transactions is, that every outout classified as dust (below 5500 satoshis). Maybe there can be some miner who include it some day.

btw: I got one satoshi now, too. From where did this guy get all this addresses? He just used alle addresses of the last block...

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I wouldn't complain if someone gave me free stuff.. Seriously tho, I can't really see anything to worry about.

That stupid 1 Satoshi spam may have cost me .05 BTC.  It isn't much money but it has at least cost others LOTS of wasted time.  Anytime someone is stealing your time it isn't free.

A wallet I was working with a vendor with got spammed.  Their software won't transfer from a wallet with unconfirmed transactions.   Since it was their wallet I'm at their mercy to manually transfer the funds because the connection between that wallet and my account was broken.  

You can keep your free stuff!  Angry

I did get the .05 BTC refunded.  Blockchain has records so it just took time.   What really irks me is I had to waste more than an hour over a small amount!   I sincerely hope the spammers go bankrupt and it is terrible to feel that way.   
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I also received a 1 Satoshi transaction, but Electrum seems to ignore it (I only found out, because I was checking the address for something). I got it after a payment I received got confirmed. I am guessing that this person has a script setup that checks the latest block for addresses and then automatically send a Satoshi to those addresses.

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I got 4 emails from Blockchain about a failed 1 Satoshi transaction. This is getting kinda weird...
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So it turns out my concerns were semi-legit?   Cheesy

No, however you deserve credit for riling up the clueless.

Bitcoin addresses are public knowledge much like postal addresses.  Say one day I felt stupid and decided I wanted to mail 1 US penny to 10,000 random postal addresses.

Do you know what could happen? You might open your mailbox one day and .... HOLY CRAP there would be a penny in there.  How could this happen? You didn't ask for a penny and it was mailed from some anonymous mailbox?  What the hell is going on?  Has the security of the postal mail system been broken? Is someone tracking you?  What if this is part of some 51% postal attack?  I heard they are "dusting" your finances with this penny so when you deposit it then they can hack your bank account from the inside out.  OH NOES! CALL HOMELAND SECURITY!  We need to stop this.  Someone should put penny detectors on all mail drops to ensure hackers aren't able to destroy the world economy by mailing pennies.   We need to act now.   The entire postal system as we know it could collapse within days if people can just mail things to other people and stuff.

This is the digital equivalent of that, and the reaction is just as silly.
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So it turns out my concerns were semi-legit?   Cheesy

No, however you deserve credit for riling up the clueless.

Bitcoin addresses are public knowledge much like postal addresses.  Say one day I felt stupid and decided I wanted to mail 1 US penny to 10,000 random postal addresses.

Do you know what could happen? You might open your mailbox one day and .... HOLY CRAP there would be a penny in there.  WTF?Huh? How could this happen? You didn't ask for a penny and it was mailed from some anonymous mailbox?  What the hell is going on?  If someone tracking you?  Is this part of some 51% postal attack?  What if they are dusting your finances with this penny so when you deposit it then they can hack your bank account from the inside out.  OH NOES! CALL HOMELAND SECURITY!  

This is the digital equivalent of that, and the reaction is just as silly.

According to the last 10 news posts at blockchain.info, there is a lot more to it than a penny in someones mailbox.. it seems to be a little more complicated than that

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i'm gonna start sending a dahler to everyone's mailbox (yes i'm satoshi)
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According to the last 10 news posts at blockchain.info, there is a lot more to it than a penny in someones mailbox.. it seems to be a little more complicated than that

You are saying that you believe that send you a satoshi is the same thing as the ongoing DDOS attack?  There is a real attack going on which has absolutely nothing with this thread.
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You didn't actually think when people were talking about the DDOS attack on exchanges there were talking about this send a satoshi transaction did you?

There is a real attack going on which has absolutely nothing with this thread.

I thought that it was related to the dust transactions.. my bad

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Aww, and here I was getting excited that someone was sending me a trillionth of a bitcoin at random.  Hello to 18FhZgVNKPAZTC41eosNgTnbGemvXxnMvY, whoever you are.

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I have a paper wallet with a small (<1btc) balance, that gets sent a small amount from Coinbase every two weeks. This is only a few months old, never been swept.

A couple of days ago I noticed the 1Enjoy and 1Sochi deposits. Tonight I have over 1200 of them from different addresses.

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So it turns out my concerns were semi-legit?   Cheesy

No, however you deserve credit for riling up the clueless.

Bitcoin addresses are public knowledge much like postal addresses.  Say one day I felt stupid and decided I wanted to mail 1 US penny to 10,000 random postal addresses.

Do you know what could happen? You might open your mailbox one day and .... HOLY CRAP there would be a penny in there.  How could this happen? You didn't ask for a penny and it was mailed from some anonymous mailbox?  What the hell is going on?  Has the security of the postal mail system been broken? Is someone tracking you?  What if this is part of some 51% postal attack?  I heard they are "dusting" your finances with this penny so when you deposit it then they can hack your bank account from the inside out.  OH NOES! CALL HOMELAND SECURITY!  We need to stop this.  Someone should put penny detectors on all mail drops to ensure hackers aren't able to destroy the world economy by mailing pennies.   We need to act now.   The entire postal system as we know it could collapse within days if people can just mail things to other people and stuff.

This is the digital equivalent of that, and the reaction is just as silly.

It isn't the equivalent because mailing pennies isn't going to break anyone's mailbox, but this did break some wallets.   Granted the problem is software and that can be fixed.   I don't like this anymore than junk mail all the time.   Personally I hate junk mail.   Additionally my mailbox doesn't remember every single piece of junk mail ever sent to it.   
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February 13, 2014, 06:35:36 AM
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It isn't the equivalent because mailing pennies isn't going to break anyone's mailbox, but this did break some wallets.

If it broke anyone's wallet then that wallet it so horribly defective that they are in the running for beating MtGox when it comes to worst wallet implementation ever.  You should run for the exit now, because if a wallet can't properly handle an unconfirmed transaction who knows what else they got wrong.  I mean someone sent you money.  A wallet that can't handle that is a joke.  If your bitcoin wallet breaks when someone sends you bitcoins that is generally speaking a bad sign.

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It isn't the equivalent because mailing pennies isn't going to break anyone's mailbox, but this did break some wallets.

If it broke anyone's wallet then that wallet it so horribly defective that they are in the running for beating MtGox when it comes to worst wallet implementation ever.  You should run for the exit now, because if a wallet can't properly handle an unconfirmed transaction who knows what else they got wrong.  I mean someone sent you money.  A wallet that can't handle that is a joke.  If your bitcoin wallet breaks when someone sends you bitcoins that is generally speaking a bad sign.



I'm not disagreeing, but as bitcoin grows more mainstream there are going to be more of these types of problems.  
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It isn't the equivalent because mailing pennies isn't going to break anyone's mailbox, but this did break some wallets.

If it broke anyone's wallet then that wallet it so horribly defective that they are in the running for beating MtGox when it comes to worst wallet implementation ever.  You should run for the exit now, because if a wallet can't properly handle an unconfirmed transaction who knows what else they got wrong.  I mean someone sent you money.  A wallet that can't handle that is a joke.  If your bitcoin wallet breaks when someone sends you bitcoins that is generally speaking a bad sign.



Do you see a real reason behind this "attack" , if as I assume stealing coins with this method is almost impossible ? Other than wasting people time with those unconfirmed transactions?

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My Enjoy Sochi transactions finally disappeared.

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My Enjoy Sochi transactions finally disappeared.
I didn't know that Bitcoin-QT removes TXs that didn't get confirmed after a while.

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My Enjoy Sochi transactions finally disappeared.
I didn't know that Bitcoin-QT removes TXs that didn't get confirmed after a while.
Bitcoin-QT doesn't do that. The Bitcoin Network does that. TX's that don't get confirmed will be removed eventually and the money will be returned to the sender.

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My Enjoy Sochi transactions finally disappeared.
I didn't know that Bitcoin-QT removes TXs that didn't get confirmed after a while.

They were on my blockchain.info wallet.

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How would you propose changing it?  I guess optionally you could hide transactions below a certain threshold (possibly the same limit as they will be uneconomical to spend anyways), but you can "undo" Bitcoin transactions even ones you don't "want".
That is weird. Form the 0.8.2 changelog:
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  • Non-standard transactions are not relayed across the network, are not included in blocks by most miners, and will not show up in your wallet until they are included in a block.
Do all the people who received this spam use versions prior to 0.8.2? Or does this only affect blockchain.info users because of their custom implementation?

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According to the last 10 news posts at blockchain.info, there is a lot more to it than a penny in someones mailbox.. it seems to be a little more complicated than that

You are saying that you believe that send you a satoshi is the same thing as the ongoing DDOS attack?  There is a real attack going on which has absolutely nothing with this thread.

You are right to some extent but still .. if you receive 1000 pennies, instead of 1, your mailbox is getting problems; if you run a business then such an extremely clogged mailbox could cause serious damage even if you manage to clean them out after awhile.

If such spamming is used in a serious and malicious way, it would not really be good for BTC would it? What consumer would want to use a wallet with hundreds of such transactions in it?

Spam mail does not cause damage to my email software but clogs it up nevertheless.

I am afraid that this is the beginning of something awful. We witness the birth of crypto spamming.  Embarrassed

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According to the last 10 news posts at blockchain.info, there is a lot more to it than a penny in someones mailbox.. it seems to be a little more complicated than that

You are saying that you believe that send you a satoshi is the same thing as the ongoing DDOS attack?  There is a real attack going on which has absolutely nothing with this thread.

You are right to some extent but still .. if you receive 1000 pennies, instead of 1, your mailbox is getting problems; if you run a business then such an extremely clogged mailbox could cause serious damage even if you manage to clean them out after awhile.

If such spamming is used in a serious and malicious way, it would not really be good for BTC would it? What consumer would want to use a wallet with hundreds of such transactions in it?

Spam mail does not cause damage to my email software but clogs it up nevertheless.

I am afraid that this is the beginning of something awful. We witness the birth of crypto spamming.  Embarrassed

That started a long time ago , one of the reasons the minimal transaction fee was imposed.

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You are right to some extent but still .. if you receive 1000 pennies, instead of 1, your mailbox is getting problems;

Now there is a problem I'd like to have.

Ok everyone, I'm making a request that you please spam me with pennies.  Put a penny into an envelope and mail it to me.  As many as possible, but only 1 penny per envelope.  Thank you very much.

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It seems whoever is sending these is still at it.
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Got more of the spam stuff. It seems like whoever is behind this is getting farther back into the blockchain, as its stumbled upon addresses I last used a few months ago.
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I got this too some hour back... to my phone of all places where it's hard not to react to the coin-arrival sound.

Gotta give them credit for the creativity of spamming with vanity addresses, though. Took me a while to find this thread.

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I got this too some hour back... to my phone of all places where it's hard not to react to the coin-arrival sound.

Gotta give them credit for the creativity of spamming with vanity addresses, though. Took me a while to find this thread.



What the hell did you use to write that text? It looks so sexy.

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What the hell did you use to write that text? It looks so sexy.

It's a Galaxy Note phone, with the built-in pen. One thing it really rocks at is annotating when weird stuff happens, like now. You take out the pen, write what you like on the screen image you're commenting on, and hit "send" in whatever way you like - here, save to imgur. Much quicker than anything else I've used for quick WTF notes that need to be passed along.

So it's my handwriting.
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What the hell did you use to write that text? It looks so sexy.

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So it's my handwriting.


Well then, I like your handwriting.

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Blockchain.info tweeted about it https://twitter.com/blockchain/status/434058855668912128
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What the hell did you use to write that text? It looks so sexy.

-boringstuff-

So it's my handwriting.


Well then, I like your handwriting.


I agree, that is one hell of a hand job.. i mean...

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According to the last 10 news posts at blockchain.info, there is a lot more to it than a penny in someones mailbox.. it seems to be a little more complicated than that

You are saying that you believe that send you a satoshi is the same thing as the ongoing DDOS attack?  There is a real attack going on which has absolutely nothing with this thread.

You are right to some extent but still .. if you receive 1000 pennies, instead of 1, your mailbox is getting problems; if you run a business then such an extremely clogged mailbox could cause serious damage even if you manage to clean them out after awhile.

If such spamming is used in a serious and malicious way, it would not really be good for BTC would it? What consumer would want to use a wallet with hundreds of such transactions in it?

Spam mail does not cause damage to my email software but clogs it up nevertheless.

I am afraid that this is the beginning of something awful. We witness the birth of crypto spamming.  Embarrassed

That started a long time ago , one of the reasons the minimal transaction fee was imposed.

But will blockchain.info show the public note while it's still unconfirmed?  If it does, then this is a very successful spamming technique for advertising penis growth pills. 

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According to the last 10 news posts at blockchain.info, there is a lot more to it than a penny in someones mailbox.. it seems to be a little more complicated than that

You are saying that you believe that send you a satoshi is the same thing as the ongoing DDOS attack?  There is a real attack going on which has absolutely nothing with this thread.

You are right to some extent but still .. if you receive 1000 pennies, instead of 1, your mailbox is getting problems; if you run a business then such an extremely clogged mailbox could cause serious damage even if you manage to clean them out after awhile.

If such spamming is used in a serious and malicious way, it would not really be good for BTC would it? What consumer would want to use a wallet with hundreds of such transactions in it?

Spam mail does not cause damage to my email software but clogs it up nevertheless.

I am afraid that this is the beginning of something awful. We witness the birth of crypto spamming.  Embarrassed

That started a long time ago , one of the reasons the minimal transaction fee was imposed.

But will blockchain.info show the public note while it's still unconfirmed?  If it does, then this is a very successful spamming technique for advertising penis growth pills. 

If someone is using a vanity address they should always have to pay the transaction fee.   That would stop the spam!
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According to the last 10 news posts at blockchain.info, there is a lot more to it than a penny in someones mailbox.. it seems to be a little more complicated than that

You are saying that you believe that send you a satoshi is the same thing as the ongoing DDOS attack?  There is a real attack going on which has absolutely nothing with this thread.

You are right to some extent but still .. if you receive 1000 pennies, instead of 1, your mailbox is getting problems; if you run a business then such an extremely clogged mailbox could cause serious damage even if you manage to clean them out after awhile.

If such spamming is used in a serious and malicious way, it would not really be good for BTC would it? What consumer would want to use a wallet with hundreds of such transactions in it?

Spam mail does not cause damage to my email software but clogs it up nevertheless.

I am afraid that this is the beginning of something awful. We witness the birth of crypto spamming.  Embarrassed

That started a long time ago , one of the reasons the minimal transaction fee was imposed.

But will blockchain.info show the public note while it's still unconfirmed?  If it does, then this is a very successful spamming technique for advertising penis growth pills.  

If someone is using a vanity address they should always have to pay the transaction fee.   That would stop the spam!

There is no way of detecting if it's a vanity address.   Roll Eyes

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If someone is using a vanity address they should always have to pay the transaction fee.   That would stop the spam!
I thought people were already required to always pay the transaction fee.

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Setting a fee threshold for low transactions might work.  It would have to be the same as the minimum at least.
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What the hell did you use to write that text? It looks so sexy.

-boringstuff-

So it's my handwriting.


Well then, I like your handwriting.


I agree, that is one hell of a hand job.. i mean...

hm....that sounds awesome lol Tongue
The handwriting is really very cool Smiley
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If someone is using a vanity address they should always have to pay the transaction fee.   That would stop the spam!
I thought people were already required to always pay the transaction fee.

nope, transactions take ages without one though.
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According to the last 10 news posts at blockchain.info, there is a lot more to it than a penny in someones mailbox.. it seems to be a little more complicated than that

You are saying that you believe that send you a satoshi is the same thing as the ongoing DDOS attack?  There is a real attack going on which has absolutely nothing with this thread.

You are right to some extent but still .. if you receive 1000 pennies, instead of 1, your mailbox is getting problems; if you run a business then such an extremely clogged mailbox could cause serious damage even if you manage to clean them out after awhile.

If such spamming is used in a serious and malicious way, it would not really be good for BTC would it? What consumer would want to use a wallet with hundreds of such transactions in it?

Spam mail does not cause damage to my email software but clogs it up nevertheless.

I am afraid that this is the beginning of something awful. We witness the birth of crypto spamming.  Embarrassed

That started a long time ago , one of the reasons the minimal transaction fee was imposed.

But will blockchain.info show the public note while it's still unconfirmed?  If it does, then this is a very successful spamming technique for advertising penis growth pills. 

If someone is using a vanity address they should always have to pay the transaction fee.   That would stop the spam!

It wouldn't. They'd just use a normal one.

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According to the last 10 news posts at blockchain.info, there is a lot more to it than a penny in someones mailbox.. it seems to be a little more complicated than that

You are saying that you believe that send you a satoshi is the same thing as the ongoing DDOS attack?  There is a real attack going on which has absolutely nothing with this thread.

You are right to some extent but still .. if you receive 1000 pennies, instead of 1, your mailbox is getting problems; if you run a business then such an extremely clogged mailbox could cause serious damage even if you manage to clean them out after awhile.

If such spamming is used in a serious and malicious way, it would not really be good for BTC would it? What consumer would want to use a wallet with hundreds of such transactions in it?

Spam mail does not cause damage to my email software but clogs it up nevertheless.

I am afraid that this is the beginning of something awful. We witness the birth of crypto spamming.  Embarrassed

That started a long time ago , one of the reasons the minimal transaction fee was imposed.

But will blockchain.info show the public note while it's still unconfirmed?  If it does, then this is a very successful spamming technique for advertising penis growth pills.  

If someone is using a vanity address they should always have to pay the transaction fee.   That would stop the spam!

There is no way of detecting if it's a vanity address.   Roll Eyes

Yeah , good luck finding out if it's a vanity address or not. Besides , they could easily switch to a random one. The spam will stop when blockchain.info won't be showing those messages anymore.

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According to the last 10 news posts at blockchain.info, there is a lot more to it than a penny in someones mailbox.. it seems to be a little more complicated than that

You are saying that you believe that send you a satoshi is the same thing as the ongoing DDOS attack?  There is a real attack going on which has absolutely nothing with this thread.

You are right to some extent but still .. if you receive 1000 pennies, instead of 1, your mailbox is getting problems; if you run a business then such an extremely clogged mailbox could cause serious damage even if you manage to clean them out after awhile.

If such spamming is used in a serious and malicious way, it would not really be good for BTC would it? What consumer would want to use a wallet with hundreds of such transactions in it?

Spam mail does not cause damage to my email software but clogs it up nevertheless.

I am afraid that this is the beginning of something awful. We witness the birth of crypto spamming.  Embarrassed

That started a long time ago , one of the reasons the minimal transaction fee was imposed.

But will blockchain.info show the public note while it's still unconfirmed?  If it does, then this is a very successful spamming technique for advertising penis growth pills.  

If someone is using a vanity address they should always have to pay the transaction fee.   That would stop the spam!

There is no way of detecting if it's a vanity address.   Roll Eyes

Yeah , good luck finding out if it's a vanity address or not. Besides , they could easily switch to a random one. The spam will stop when blockchain.info won't be showing those messages anymore.

Now that is a great idea. 
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I saw on Reddit, someone linked a post from this forum where a user named "EnjoyThis" was asking about creating vanity addresses:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=301068.100

Also, can someone explain to me: (1) why are these payments not getting confirmed; and (2) is this related to the malleability DDOS attack?  They seem related since both involve unconfirmed transactions. 

Thanks.
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I saw on Reddit, someone linked a post from this forum where a user named "EnjoyThis" was asking about creating vanity addresses:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=301068.100


I think they're clutching at straws with the link there.

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The guy was asking for help creating a vanity address using "1Enjoy."  That's the same as the spamming address. 
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Someone is having some fun with everyone.

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I saw on Reddit, someone linked a post from this forum where a user named "EnjoyThis" was asking about creating vanity addresses:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=301068.100

Also, can someone explain to me: (1) why are these payments not getting confirmed; and (2) is this related to the malleability DDOS attack?  They seem related since both involve unconfirmed transactions. 

Thanks.

The payment are not getting confirmed because of the large transactions size (in kb) and the 0 fee.

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The guy was asking for help creating a vanity address using "1Enjoy."  That's the same as the spamming address. 

Oh haha. I thought people were just being cyber detectives and assuming that he was the guy because of his name  Grin. Has anyone asked him?

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Not that I know of...  it seems pretty compelling based upon his question regarding "1Enjoy," and his user name.  I wonder if this is part of some spamming service where companies will pay to have some stupid message sent via unconfirmed bitcoin transactions.  From an advertising standpoint, I'm sure the ability to reach +1 million people would be desirable. 
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It seems he was just online about fifteen minutes ago.  I can't seem to figure out how to search for posts by user name...  I'd like to see what else he's been discussing.

Edit:  Also, the damn time-limits on posts, search, etc. are really a PIA.   Angry   I understand the need to repel spammers, but waiting six minutes between posts is just ridiculous.
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It seems he was just online about fifteen minutes ago.  I can't seem to figure out how to search for posts by user name...  I'd like to see what else he's been discussing.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=99253;sa=showPosts

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Not that I know of...  it seems pretty compelling based upon his question regarding "1Enjoy," and his user name.  I wonder if this is part of some spamming service where companies will pay to have some stupid message sent via unconfirmed bitcoin transactions.  From an advertising standpoint, I'm sure the ability to reach +1 million people would be desirable. 

I think it just is some sort of advertising spam. It gets people talking and it's for free.

It seems he was just online about fifteen minutes ago.  I can't seem to figure out how to search for posts by user name...  I'd like to see what else he's been discussing.

Edit:  Also, the damn time-limits on posts, search, etc. are really a PIA.   Angry   I understand the need to repel spammers, but waiting six minutes between posts is just ridiculous.

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February 14, 2014, 03:58:33 PM
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The guy was asking for help creating a vanity address using "1Enjoy."  That's the same as the spamming address. 
There's also this guy, who basically confessed it was him:

ok guys, this is the last batch. took some training to get it running on high volume.

everyone who will not get any enjoysatochis today, will not get any at all. sorry for the inconvinience, and i hope you enjoy. this is a no offense attack on bitcoin.

it is an attraction and improvement attack. we are fully commited to make bitcoin stronger. 

and,,, do not waste so much energy on mining (hey, you use the power of 1-2 nuclear power plants for mining alone). it is neither green nor profitable.

lets start an adwords coin. omitting mining by feeding the coins value by advertisement revenue. and premiums for ad-free coins.

support your local bitcoin community.

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February 14, 2014, 04:02:52 PM
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The guy was asking for help creating a vanity address using "1Enjoy."  That's the same as the spamming address. 
There's also this guy, who basically confessed it was him:

ok guys, this is the last batch. took some training to get it running on high volume.

everyone who will not get any enjoysatochis today, will not get any at all. sorry for the inconvinience, and i hope you enjoy. this is a no offense attack on bitcoin.

it is an attraction and improvement attack. we are fully commited to make bitcoin stronger. 

and,,, do not waste so much energy on mining (hey, you use the power of 1-2 nuclear power plants for mining alone). it is neither green nor profitable.

lets start an adwords coin. omitting mining by feeding the coins value by advertisement revenue. and premiums for ad-free coins.

support your local bitcoin community.

If he confessed to being Satoshi would you believe him?  Grin
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February 14, 2014, 04:27:21 PM
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The guy was asking for help creating a vanity address using "1Enjoy."  That's the same as the spamming address. 

Oh haha. I thought people were just being cyber detectives and assuming that he was the guy because of his name  Grin. Has anyone asked him?

kodiak1120 did as the question.

Short answer: "No, I'm not the one spamming".

In order to help out the detectives here on the forum:
If you look at my question https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=301068.100 I was asking for 1EnJoy as my username is EnJoyThis.
If I was to be such an obvious spammer I would rather have chosen for the following two messages: (1) 1EnJoy (2) 1This

Furthermore it would be kinda stupid to name myself after the spamming message sent out to the bitcoinworld, wouldn't it?  Wink

And last but not least, I which I was the spammer as some of you detectives saw the origin of the satoshi's is a wallet which held 217+ btc and, sadly for me, I don't hold that many coins.

BTW it supprised me it took this long before THE question was asked.


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So what did you do with your 1EnJoy vanity address?  And, if you don't mind me asking, what is the meaning behind your username?   Not trying to accuse anyone of anything, but it is a pretty big coincidence. 

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The guy was asking for help creating a vanity address using "1Enjoy."  That's the same as the spamming address. 

Oh haha. I thought people were just being cyber detectives and assuming that he was the guy because of his name  Grin. Has anyone asked him?

kodiak1120 did as the question.

Short answer: "No, I'm not the one spamming".

In order to help out the detectives here on the forum:
If you look at my question https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=301068.100 I was asking for 1EnJoy as my username is EnJoyThis.
If I was to be such an obvious spammer I would rather have chosen for the following two messages: (1) 1EnJoy (2) 1This

Furthermore it would be kinda stupid to name myself after the spamming message sent out to the bitcoinworld, wouldn't it?  Wink

And last but not least, I which I was the spammer as some of you detectives saw the origin of the satoshi's is a wallet which held 217+ btc and, sadly for me, I don't hold that many coins.

BTW it supprised me it took this long before THE question was asked.


Cheers all

But that's what you would say  Wink Cheesy. Thanks for the clarification.

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So what did you do with your 1EnJoy vanity address?  And, if you don't mind me asking, what is the meaning behind your username?   Not trying to accuse anyone of anything, but it is a pretty big coincidence. 
There's no reason to believe it's him.

If it was him, there's no reason why he would first post his request in public, and then deny it was him.
It doesn't make any sense.

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So what did you do with your 1EnJoy vanity address?  And, if you don't mind me asking, what is the meaning behind your username?   Not trying to accuse anyone of anything, but it is a pretty big coincidence. 
There's no reason to believe it's him.

If it was him, there's no reason why he would first post his request in public, and then deny it was him.
It doesn't make any sense.

Why does it even matter, anyway?
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It is.not EnjoyThis
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February 15, 2014, 08:22:02 AM
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So what did you do with your 1EnJoy vanity address?  And, if you don't mind me asking, what is the meaning behind your username?   Not trying to accuse anyone of anything, but it is a pretty big coincidence. 
There's no reason to believe it's him.

It's not an 1EnJoy address. See the screenshot I posted.
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February 16, 2014, 12:01:54 AM
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where have you post them?

I dont see any ... Smiley

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where have you post them?

I dont see any ... Smiley


It's in the last page in this thread, page 9.
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February 16, 2014, 12:45:19 AM
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where have you post them?

I dont see any ... Smiley


It's in the last page in this thread, page 9.

Cheers Smiley I saw them now Tongue

Just too many pages Cheesy around and maybe too late Tongue

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it had returnd
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it had returnd

People are getting them again?

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Someone claimed in a previous thread that it could be a form of advertising... as far as the DDOS attempt it is miniscule. Maybe it's simply someone being a wad and playing around. The nature of anonymity, eh?
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Been a couple of days since I got the last 1 Satoshi spam. Maybe the person has stopped?
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Been a couple of days since I got the last 1 Satoshi spam. Maybe the person has stopped?

I got two of those spams on some addresses I own right at the start of it. But recently I haven't received any.

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I haven't received a single one.

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I haven't read the entire thread, but my thoughts on this is that whoever this person is they are trying to bring crypto's to the forefront of folks that might not think of this as real money and using this as a way to change their minds.


Whoever this is, I applaud them in a creative effort in trying to "spread the word" of crypto-currency.  Smiley

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I haven't read the entire thread, but my thoughts on this is that whoever this person is they are trying to bring crypto's to the forefront of folks that might not think of this as real money and using this as a way to change their minds.


Whoever this is, I applaud them in a creative effort in trying to "spread the word" of crypto-currency.  Smiley

By creating transactions that will never confirm and cause confusion than amongst newer users? I'm sure there must be better ways.  Tongue
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I haven't read the entire thread, but my thoughts on this is that whoever this person is they are trying to bring crypto's to the forefront of folks that might not think of this as real money and using this as a way to change their minds.


Whoever this is, I applaud them in a creative effort in trying to "spread the word" of crypto-currency.  Smiley

By creating transactions that will never confirm and cause confusion than amongst newer users? I'm sure there must be better ways.  Tongue

If this person really wanted to spread the word of crypto-currency, he should have started giving out amounts that people can use.  Grin
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I haven't read the entire thread, but my thoughts on this is that whoever this person is they are trying to bring crypto's to the forefront of folks that might not think of this as real money and using this as a way to change their minds.


Whoever this is, I applaud them in a creative effort in trying to "spread the word" of crypto-currency.  Smiley

By creating transactions that will never confirm and cause confusion than amongst newer users? I'm sure there must be better ways.  Tongue

If this person really wanted to spread the word of crypto-currency, he should have started giving out amounts that people can use.  Grin

Then that would be quite costly to him. It's literally just free advertising for him.
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