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February 10, 2014, 09:05:12 PM
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Just sent out 1200 transactions for 1 satoshi each.
Spam attack on the bitcoin network?

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February 10, 2014, 09:07:31 PM
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This doesn't look good..
It is obviously some kind of attack...

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February 10, 2014, 09:09:33 PM
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This address too: 1SochiWwFFySPjQoi2biVftXn8NRPCSQC

Should anyone who receives a deposit from one of these addresses be worried?
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February 10, 2014, 09:10:17 PM
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This address too: 1SochiWwFFySPjQoi2biVftXn8NRPCSQC

Should anyone who receives a deposit from one of these addresses be worried?

No.. I would be more worried about the blockchain itself..

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February 10, 2014, 09:11:49 PM
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I lolled. Why should we be worried? You can sent out 1200 transactions of 1 satoshi's without a problem. Why should we care? If it ever confirms or gets confirmed at all is the real question and the answer to that is most likely not. Almost all miners will simply ignore this transaction.

Edit: The people who receive it shouldn't be to worried. It might happen that they need to pay a higher transaction fee when they receive this payment, but that's all as far as I know.

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February 10, 2014, 09:12:57 PM
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I lolled. Why should we be worried? You can sent out 1200 transactions of 1 satoshi's without a problem. If it ever confirms or get confirmed at all is the second question and the answer to that is most likely not. Almost all miners will simply ignore this transaction.

What if its a test for something bigger?  What if someone decides to try 12,000,000 transactions now..

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February 10, 2014, 09:14:04 PM
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I lolled. Why should we be worried? You can sent out 1200 transactions of 1 satoshi's without a problem. If it ever confirms or get confirmed at all is the second question and the answer to that is most likely not. Almost all miners will simply ignore this transaction.

What if its a test for something bigger?  What if someone decides to try 12,000,000 transactions now..


OMG!  Or worse?!  What if somebody decides to try to send 22,000,000 1BTC transactions!
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February 10, 2014, 09:14:44 PM
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This address too: 1SochiWwFFySPjQoi2biVftXn8NRPCSQC

Should anyone who receives a deposit from one of these addresses be worried?

Worried?  About what?

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February 10, 2014, 09:15:27 PM
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No.. I would be more worried about the blockchain itself..

Why?

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February 10, 2014, 09:15:35 PM
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I lolled. Why should we be worried? You can sent out 1200 transactions of 1 satoshi's without a problem. If it ever confirms or get confirmed at all is the second question and the answer to that is most likely not. Almost all miners will simply ignore this transaction.

What if its a test for something bigger?  What if someone decides to try 12,000,000 transactions now..


OMG!  Or worse?!  What if somebody decides to try to send 22,000,000 1BTC transactions!

what if the blockchain begins to think for itself and pulls skynet on our asses?  

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February 10, 2014, 09:16:00 PM
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1Enjoy1C4bYBr3tN4sMKxvvJDqG8NkdR4Z
Just sent out 1200 transactions for 1 satoshi each.
Spam attack on the bitcoin network?

This is not the first time.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=282238.0

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February 10, 2014, 09:16:23 PM
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I lolled. Why should we be worried? You can sent out 1200 transactions of 1 satoshi's without a problem. If it ever confirms or get confirmed at all is the second question and the answer to that is most likely not. Almost all miners will simply ignore this transaction.

What if its a test for something bigger?  What if someone decides to try 12,000,000 transactions now..

Well let him test. The network can handle that. Ignoring 12,000,000 1 satoshi transactions is as easy as ignoring 1,200.

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February 10, 2014, 09:17:08 PM
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This address too: 1SochiWwFFySPjQoi2biVftXn8NRPCSQC

Should anyone who receives a deposit from one of these addresses be worried?

No.. I would be more worried about the blockchain itself..

I'm not sure how this could harm the blockchain, even if the transaction had 1M outputs?

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February 10, 2014, 09:20:02 PM
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This address too: 1SochiWwFFySPjQoi2biVftXn8NRPCSQC

Should anyone who receives a deposit from one of these addresses be worried?

No.. I would be more worried about the blockchain itself..

I'm not sure how this could harm the blockchain, even if the transaction had 1M outputs?

excessive blockchain size?

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February 10, 2014, 09:21:05 PM
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I lolled. Why should we be worried? You can sent out 1200 transactions of 1 satoshi's without a problem. If it ever confirms or get confirmed at all is the second question and the answer to that is most likely not. Almost all miners will simply ignore this transaction.

What if its a test for something bigger?  What if someone decides to try 12,000,000 transactions now..


OMG!  Or worse?!  What if somebody decides to try to send 22,000,000 1BTC transactions!

what if the blockchain begins to think for itself and pulls skynet on our asses?  


Aaaaaaaaaaand we got him, folks.  Move on.
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February 10, 2014, 09:25:25 PM
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This address too: 1SochiWwFFySPjQoi2biVftXn8NRPCSQC
Should anyone who receives a deposit from one of these addresses be worried?
No.. I would be more worried about the blockchain itself..
I'm not sure how this could harm the blockchain, even if the transaction had 1M outputs?
excessive blockchain size?

Blocks are limited to 1 megabyte per block, and miners have an incentive to only include large transactions in a block if the transaction pays a sufficient fee.  If a sufficient fee is paid, then the sender has every right to that space in the block.  If a sufficient fee isn't paid, then why would any miner confirm this transaction instead of the hundreds of fee paying transactions that they could confirm instead?

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February 10, 2014, 09:32:26 PM
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with the block limit of 1MB and Gavin A's satoshi dust limit, any transactions that dont fit the criteria get ignored, thus no one is worried

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February 10, 2014, 09:33:38 PM
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whats the minimum transaction size then?

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February 10, 2014, 09:34:31 PM
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whats the minimum transaction size then?

5430 satoshi's as far as I know.

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February 10, 2014, 09:35:25 PM
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Blocks are limited to 1 megabyte per block, and miners have an incentive to only include large transactions in a block if the transaction pays a sufficient fee.  If a sufficient fee is paid, then the sender has every right to that space in the block.  If a sufficient fee isn't paid, then why would any miner confirm this transaction instead of the hundreds of fee paying transactions that they could confirm instead?
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February 10, 2014, 09:38:08 PM
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Still can't figure out the motivation though.. is someone just bored?

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February 10, 2014, 09:45:27 PM
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Enjoy Sochi. A historic week... the first blockchain spam circulating!

Night gathers, and now my bitcoinwisdom watch begins.
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February 10, 2014, 10:05:22 PM
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Still can't figure out the motivation though.. is someone just bored?


It's a test.
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February 10, 2014, 10:06:11 PM
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Ah, I was wondering who had sent me 1 satoshi last night, and why it had only been seen by 2 peers... guess this explains it. Roll Eyes

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I  wonder where are they getting the addresses?
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I  wonder where are they getting the addresses?

The address to which I received the satoshi I only use in this forum, in particular in the primedice sig campaign. However, the transactions are visible to anyone through the blockchain, so that isn't much.

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Getting addresses isn't hard at all. I could write a Bitcoin address scraper in a few minutes, if I wanted too.

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Still can't figure out the motivation though.. is someone just bored?


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Getting addresses isn't hard at all. I could write a Bitcoin address scraper in a few minutes, if I wanted too.

A few minutes? Base 58 would take me a few minutes to implement in of it's own.

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I  wonder where are they getting the addresses?

Probably some distributed database containing a list of used Bitcoin addresses.  Anyone have an idea of a project that does that?
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Getting addresses isn't hard at all. I could write a Bitcoin address scraper in a few minutes, if I wanted too.

A few minutes? Base 58 would take me a few minutes to implement in of it's own.
Regex my friend, regex.

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I  wonder where are they getting the addresses?

Probably some distributed database containing a list of used Bitcoin addresses.  Anyone have an idea of a project that does that?

Maybe the dredged em from this forum.
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Getting addresses isn't hard at all. I could write a Bitcoin address scraper in a few minutes, if I wanted too.

A few minutes? Base 58 would take me a few minutes to implement in of it's own.
Regex my friend, regex.

Regex doesn't check the parity of an address to verify it's valid, does it now?  Roll Eyes

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Getting addresses isn't hard at all. I could write a Bitcoin address scraper in a few minutes, if I wanted too.

A few minutes? Base 58 would take me a few minutes to implement in of it's own.
Regex my friend, regex.

Regex doesn't check the parity of an address to verify it's valid, does it now?  Roll Eyes
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Getting addresses isn't hard at all. I could write a Bitcoin address scraper in a few minutes, if I wanted too.
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Getting addresses isn't hard at all. I could write a Bitcoin address scraper in a few minutes, if I wanted too.

A few minutes? Base 58 would take me a few minutes to implement in of it's own.
Regex my friend, regex.

Regex doesn't check the parity of an address to verify it's valid, does it now?  Roll Eyes
Nope, but I don't care about that nor did I say that it does that Tongue

Bitcoind will get angry at you if you parse invalid addresses, so angry, it'll just simply refuse to process any of them.

Getting addresses isn't hard at all. I could write a Bitcoin address scraper in a few minutes, if I wanted too.
Then write it, mister 'I can do everything'.

That's effort though, it's not even a big project.

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I  wonder where are they getting the addresses?

Probably some distributed database containing a list of used Bitcoin addresses.  Anyone have an idea of a project that does that?

Maybe the dredged em from this forum.

Not sure if serious?
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That's effort though, it's not even a big project.

Um I already have a copy of every single address which has ever been used and it is continually kept up to date.  So do you, so do over a hundred thousand other people on the planet.
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That's effort though, it's not even a big project.

Um I already have a copy of every single address which has ever been used and it is continually kept up to date.  So do you, so do over a hundred thousand other people on the planet.

Wow. God dammit, well played good sir.

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Getting addresses isn't hard at all. I could write a Bitcoin address scraper in a few minutes, if I wanted too.
Then write it, mister 'I can do everything'.
I could if I wanted to, but I don't, so I won't. Sorry.

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True. You could resolve that by simply dumping the addresses (one by one) into the Blockexplorer / blockchain.info's address checker or write up your own script for it (which would bring us back to your point). Oh well. I would use regex to get the addresses from a page and check it afterwords which some other script. But you are right and I should change my statement. I could do something like that in a few hours, depending on how much I browse on YT during the creation progress Roll Eyes

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February 10, 2014, 11:20:04 PM
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I could make a spaceship if I wanted to, but I don't, so I won't. Sorry.

DeathAndTaxes beat both of us (And congratulations to him, I'm still sitting here like "How the fuck didn't I think of that?"), just rip 'em from the blockchain. Blockchain.info, blockexplorer, bitcoind, and all the rest already do it.

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February 10, 2014, 11:21:35 PM
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I could make a spaceship if I wanted to, but I don't, so I won't. Sorry.
Spaceship != script, but if you want to play it that way, sure, go ahead.

Um I already have a copy of every single address which has ever been used and it is continually kept up to date.  So do you, so do over a hundred thousand other people on the planet.
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February 10, 2014, 11:25:30 PM
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Spaceship != script, but if you want to play it that way, sure, go ahead.
Spaceship > script; this is the correct formula.

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February 10, 2014, 11:40:33 PM
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A strange thing happen to me today too. Maybe this is common, but it's the first time for me.
I withdrew .033 BTC from Coinex to my BTC address on Blockchain. It appeared right away, then disappeared,
then a short while after receiving the email below it reappeared again.

Transaction Confirmation Failed

A transaction made through Blockchain.info has been removed from our database because it was taking a long time to be included in a block.

Any funds have been returned to your wallet and you can now spend the coins again. Please consider including a larger fee in future transactions.
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February 10, 2014, 11:41:38 PM
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A strange thing happen to me today too. Maybe this is common, but it's the first time for me.
I withdrew .033 BTC from Coinex to my BTC address on Blockchain. It appeared right away, then disappeared,
then a short while after receiving the email below it reappeared again.

Transaction Confirmation Failed

A transaction made through Blockchain.info has been removed from our database because it was taking a long time to be included in a block.

Any funds have been returned to your wallet and you can now spend the coins again. Please consider including a larger fee in future transactions.

I think that's pretty normal.. just make sure you include at least a .0001 fee

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February 10, 2014, 11:50:32 PM
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This address too: 1SochiWwFFySPjQoi2biVftXn8NRPCSQC

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February 10, 2014, 11:51:06 PM
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This is a new paradigm people, don't you see? In the matter of weeks, our addresses will all be scraped from the blockchain and we're going to be hit by 1 satoshi spam messages constantly. The silver lining is, if we get enough of these messages, we can make a decent sum of money at the expense of the distrubitors.

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February 11, 2014, 12:17:56 AM
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This address too: 1SochiWwFFySPjQoi2biVftXn8NRPCSQC

Should anyone who receives a deposit from one of these addresses be worried?

Lol somebody just sent me a Satoshi. Very funny.
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February 11, 2014, 12:30:04 AM
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yay! free money!
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February 11, 2014, 12:35:15 AM
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yay! free money!

Yay! $700 * 10^-8!

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February 11, 2014, 12:45:39 AM
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Perhaps this is a demonstration of the futility of red-listing tainted BTC (at least without coin control tweaks to the Bitcoin client).
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February 11, 2014, 12:52:49 AM
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The silver lining is, if we get enough of these messages, we can make a decent sum of money at the expense of the distrubitors.

No, because they will never be confirmed.

By the way, do these get thrown out of the mempool after a while?

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February 11, 2014, 01:07:38 AM
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The silver lining is, if we get enough of these messages, we can make a decent sum of money at the expense of the distrubitors.

No, because they will never be confirmed.

By the way, do these get thrown out of the mempool after a while?
Each node maintains its own memory pool if it runs out of room it will discard the oldest.  So yes, although there is no set time and the "network" doesn't coordinate it.
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February 11, 2014, 01:13:17 AM
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"They" are trying to find out who you are and what addresses you own:

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1xenyd/just_received_weird_tiny_payments_1sochi_1enjoy/
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=282238.0
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February 11, 2014, 01:44:22 AM
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In my case they are only sending a satoshi to addresses with only a single input (ie cold wallets).  At one point a transaction I made seemed to be a doublespend attempt in the blockchain because of it.

Odd...  mildly concerning.
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... except they'll never get confirmed so none of this is relevant. All they're doing is spamming the mempool for a few hours.


I guess this really is a new form of advertising.
It's kind of smart if you think about it - with the 5430 satoshi limit, sending this much spam into the blockchain is prohibitively expensive. And why bother? Advertisement campaigns are transient anyway. No need to keep a record, just to get the message out there to as many people as possible, if only for a second. Setting up some vanity addresses and sending lots of transactions that will never get confirmed is essentially free, and it gets their message (in this case, "Enjoy Sochi") into the only mempool that really matters - our brains...
Welcome to the age of free, P2P, blockchain-independent advertising.

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February 11, 2014, 02:36:11 AM
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why don't you just Enjoy Sochi and not worry so much??     Tongue

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Now I feel sad because I haven't received money from 1Enjoy 1Sochi  Undecided

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Now I feel sad because I haven't received money from 1Enjoy 1Sochi  Undecided

Technically, neither did anyone else...  Tongue

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February 11, 2014, 03:17:40 AM
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This address too: 1SochiWwFFySPjQoi2biVftXn8NRPCSQC

Should anyone who receives a deposit from one of these addresses be worried?

I saw a post on reddit the other day asking about deposits from enjoy and sochi addresses. Like tiny amounts. Someone replied and said that who ever is doing that is "dusting" the network for adresses. I am not sure what he meant and he didn't reply but i would still be vigilant. Maybe someone on the forum knows what "dusting" is.

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February 11, 2014, 03:42:07 AM
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My wallet just received two separate transactions for 1 Satoshi from address: 1Bhv6XjXBvraivcATHwwLMscZ5xJm9FsPn
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Hmm..send me some satoshis and I will send them on their way.
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Reading that I still don't understand how "they" will know what addresses I own or why they would want to.
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I got a free fraction of a cent.
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I got a free fraction of a cent.

Did you? Will it ever confirm though?

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February 11, 2014, 01:56:59 PM
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After "Enjoy & Sochi" I now also got spammed by "Play and Win BTC" directly after receiving a payment ...

http://i.imgur.com/TcaFBhB.png?1

https://blockchain.info/nl/tx/53c763d7a835b67eac1db411300bfcb709105748892c5f5b50d415b061636185
https://blockchain.info/address/1Bhv6XjXBvraivcATHwwLMscZ5xJm9FsPn

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Why do these transactions even get relayed?
https://blockchain.info/de/tx/5fb080b8ba88696a97c44f6ba9bd26185a884fbdcd7a15c427e889915483e312

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Payments (transaction outputs) of 0.543 times the minimum relay fee (0.00005430 BTC) are now considered 'non-standard', because storing them costs the network more than they are worth and spending them will usually cost their owner more in transaction fees than they are worth.
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Non-standard transactions are not relayed across the network, are not included in blocks by most miners, and will not show up in your wallet until they are included in a block.

BTW: Is a transaction that doesn't not match the fee requirement also considered as a non standard tx?

EDIT: Seems like the the sender is directly connected to Blockchain.info
https://blockchain.info/de/ip-address/83.223.162.123
But this doesn't not explain why people receive them in their wallets.

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It's not as far as I know.

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I've got a feeling this type of spamming will unfortunately become more common. Anyone know if the devs are working on a solution to this? Will it become a big problem or is it just a minor annoyance?

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This has happened before and it has stopped before. Don't panic.

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February 11, 2014, 02:57:41 PM
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This has happened before and it has stopped before. Don't panic.

Are you sure it's nothing malicious or anything to worry about?
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February 11, 2014, 02:58:23 PM
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This has happened before and it has stopped before. Don't panic.

Are you sure it's nothing malicious or anything to worry about?

It's probably just spam. I don't see how it could be malicious.

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Its kind of annoying.  I cant sweep paper wallets because of unconfirmed transactions.  I have to add Watch Only and spend from there but whatever I guess.

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This has happened before and it has stopped before. Don't panic.

Are you sure it's nothing malicious or anything to worry about?
Well, someone could keep track of the Bitcoins or try and figure out to whom that address belongs, but that's about it I guess. I wouldn't worry about it.

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This has happened before and it has stopped before. Don't panic.

Are you sure it's nothing malicious or anything to worry about?
Well, someone could keep track of the Bitcoins or try and figure out to whom that address belongs, but that's about it I guess. I wouldn't worry about it.

I don't understand how they could do that?  Huh Is there a link anywhere explaining how it's possible?
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I've got a feeling this type of spamming will unfortunately become more common. Anyone know if the devs are working on a solution to this? Will it become a big problem or is it just a minor annoyance?

Actually it is a problem.   One place I was trying to make a deposit too is blocked because their software isn't looking past the unconfirmed transactions.   Who knows how many places this is going to cause trouble with.

It is also very concerning that someone might be dusting to find valid wallets.   Maybe they are planning on trying to mine wallets, which should be too hard but who knows for sure?
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This has happened before and it has stopped before. Don't panic.

Are you sure it's nothing malicious or anything to worry about?

It's probably just spam. I don't see how it could be malicious.

It is interfering with normal transactions.   Maybe not everywhere but at least some operations.   
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I got a free fraction of a cent.

So did I!!

I received a payment from 1Enjoy to my phone wallet, this is a new phone and has only been used about a handful of times.
I payment came just after i revived a payment in person from someone, it was most strange.

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I've got a feeling this type of spamming will unfortunately become more common. Anyone know if the devs are working on a solution to this? Will it become a big problem or is it just a minor annoyance?

Actually it is a problem.   One place I was trying to make a deposit too is blocked because their software isn't looking past the unconfirmed transactions.   Who knows how many places this is going to cause trouble with.

It is also very concerning that someone might be dusting to find valid wallets.   Maybe they are planning on trying to mine wallets, which should be too hard but who knows for sure?


What is dusting and what do you mean by mine them?
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February 11, 2014, 07:19:11 PM
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I've got a feeling this type of spamming will unfortunately become more common. Anyone know if the devs are working on a solution to this? Will it become a big problem or is it just a minor annoyance?

Actually it is a problem.   One place I was trying to make a deposit too is blocked because their software isn't looking past the unconfirmed transactions.   Who knows how many places this is going to cause trouble with.

It is also very concerning that someone might be dusting to find valid wallets.   Maybe they are planning on trying to mine wallets, which should be too hard but who knows for sure?


What is dusting and what do you mean by mine them?

He has no idea. 

Someone sending you money isn't an attack.  It might be annoying but it isn't an attack, otherwise people would attack each other by sending them pennies in the mail.

When you think about it a Bitcoin address is very much like a postal address.  You can't prevent someone from sending you mail, you can't prevent someone from sending you money in the mail, you can't prevent someone from sending bitcoins to an address that is public (and any address you ever received funds from is public).
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I've got a feeling this type of spamming will unfortunately become more common. Anyone know if the devs are working on a solution to this? Will it become a big problem or is it just a minor annoyance?

Actually it is a problem.   One place I was trying to make a deposit too is blocked because their software isn't looking past the unconfirmed transactions.   Who knows how many places this is going to cause trouble with.

It is also very concerning that someone might be dusting to find valid wallets.   Maybe they are planning on trying to mine wallets, which should be too hard but who knows for sure?


What is dusting and what do you mean by mine them?

He has no idea. 

Someone sending you money isn't an attack.  It might be annoying but it isn't an attack, otherwise people would attack each other by sending them pennies in the mail.

When you think about it a Bitcoin address is very much like a postal address.  You can't prevent someone from sending you mail, you can't prevent someone from sending you money in the mail, you can't prevent someone from sending bitcoins to an address that is public (and any address you ever received funds from is public).


What if these pennies end up landing in people's paper wallets?
I read that multiple deposits to paper wallets could render them unusable.
I hope I am wrong.

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What if these pennies end up landing in people's paper wallets?
I read that multiple deposits to paper wallets could render them unusable.
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That is pure bullshit. Why would a paper wallet become unusable because of a dust transaction that will never be confirmed? Makes no sense to me.

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February 11, 2014, 07:45:18 PM
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What if these pennies end up landing in people's paper wallets?
I read that multiple deposits to paper wallets could render them unusable.
I hope I am wrong.
That is pure bullshit. Why would a paper wallet become unusable because of a dust transaction that will never be confirmed? Makes no sense to me.

Some people tend to think you can only use paper wallets once for some reason.
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This address too: 1SochiWwFFySPjQoi2biVftXn8NRPCSQC

Should anyone who receives a deposit from one of these addresses be worried?

I saw a post on reddit the other day asking about deposits from enjoy and sochi addresses. Like tiny amounts. Someone replied and said that who ever is doing that is "dusting" the network for adresses. I am not sure what he meant and he didn't reply but i would still be vigilant. Maybe someone on the forum knows what "dusting" is.


It means making the environment (i.e blockchain, in this case) foggy. But it wont affect the blockchain as it might look to a newbie person.

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What if these pennies end up landing in people's paper wallets?
I read that multiple deposits to paper wallets could render them unusable.
I hope I am wrong.
That is pure bullshit. Why would a paper wallet become unusable because of a dust transaction that will never be confirmed? Makes no sense to me.

It isn't BS.  It depends on the software being used.   At least two places now are broken because of this unconfirmed transaction.  (Likely many more. We shouldn't assume all software handles this fine.)

1) At scrypt.cc I was trying to make a deposit and it was blocked by this kind of unconfirmed transaction.   Granted they need to fix their end.   They manually funded my account and changed my wallet.   (Real painful, but they were very responsive)
2) There have been reports that the unconfirmed transaction blocks the blockchain.info sweep feature used with paper wallets.

Basically this unwanted satoshi spam isn't harmless.   These can be worked around but a naive user may get blocked.    
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I've got a feeling this type of spamming will unfortunately become more common. Anyone know if the devs are working on a solution to this? Will it become a big problem or is it just a minor annoyance?

Actually it is a problem.   One place I was trying to make a deposit too is blocked because their software isn't looking past the unconfirmed transactions.   Who knows how many places this is going to cause trouble with.

It is also very concerning that someone might be dusting to find valid wallets.   Maybe they are planning on trying to mine wallets, which should be too hard but who knows for sure?


What is dusting and what do you mean by mine them?

Dusting is just creating a lot of very small transactions.   It wastes space in the block chain with these dust transactions that still take up room.   I'm not clear on all the applications of it.   There are some theories on how it could be used to help track a wallet back to an IP.   Another use might be to try to build a list of valid address.   In theory one could generate private keys and see if they match any of the list of known wallets.   If you get a hit you have a valid private key.   That approach is unlikely to work, but it doesn't stop someone from trying. 
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What if these pennies end up landing in people's paper wallets?
I read that multiple deposits to paper wallets could render them unusable.
I hope I am wrong.
That is pure bullshit. Why would a paper wallet become unusable because of a dust transaction that will never be confirmed? Makes no sense to me.

Some people tend to think you can only use paper wallets once for some reason.

You shouldn't re use a paper wallet after you import it into QT client and SPEND.  This is because the QT client sends the change to a new address.  So if you assume it went back to the original address, and then deleted the QT wallet you will lose coins.

You can receive an unlimited number of transactions TO a paper wallet.  They wouldn't be very useful otherwise.  Someone sending you can extra satoshi will do absolutely no harm to a paper wallet.  Unless some miner is very generous it is very likely the tx will never confirm anyways and will eventually be dropped by the network.
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Dusting is just creating a lot of very small transactions.   It wastes space in the block chain with these dust transactions that still take up room.   I'm not clear on all the applications of it.   There are some theories on how it could be used to help track a wallet back to an IP.

Wrong theories aren't worth much.  Transactions aren't sent to a particular address, there is nothing to trace.

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Another use might be to try to build a list of valid address.   In theory one could generate private keys and see if they match any of the list of known wallets.   If you get a hit you have a valid private key.   That approach is unlikely to work, but it doesn't stop someone from trying.

Um there is thing called the blockchain which already contains every valid address that has received bitcoins.  For an "attacker" to send you a satoshi they would already by definition need to know your address and know it is valid.   

Bitcoin private keys can't be brute forced.  There isn't enough energy in our solar system.   If they could then someone sending you a satoshi is the least of your worries. 
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Why do these transactions even get relayed?
https://blockchain.info/de/tx/5fb080b8ba88696a97c44f6ba9bd26185a884fbdcd7a15c427e889915483e312

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Payments (transaction outputs) of 0.543 times the minimum relay fee (0.00005430 BTC) are now considered 'non-standard', because storing them costs the network more than they are worth and spending them will usually cost their owner more in transaction fees than they are worth.
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Non-standard transactions are not relayed across the network, are not included in blocks by most miners, and will not show up in your wallet until they are included in a block.

BTW: Is a transaction that doesn't not match the fee requirement also considered as a non standard tx?

EDIT: Seems like the the sender is directly connected to Blockchain.info
https://blockchain.info/de/ip-address/83.223.162.123
But this doesn't not explain why people receive them in their wallets.

There is no hard protocol rule which handles relaying.  A node can choose to relay whatever it wants.  While it is true the reference client won't relay these transactions I see two possibilities:
a) the "attacker" is directly connected to the receivers who see the spam.  The attacker can relay whatever it wants and while the QT client won't relay spam it will retain a local copy once it knows about it.

and/or

b) blockchain.info is relaying non-standard transactions and thus in this case making things worse.  Blockchain.info is connected to a lot of nodes so if it chooses to relay spam a lot of end users will end up seeing it.

It is also possible some other clients may relay tx below the 5430 sat threshold, and users running older versions of the bitcoin client will also continue to relay these types of transactions, but while they may expand the scope alone I doubt they alone have enough "coverage" without a or b above.

The best way to find out would be for someone who received the spam tx to record where they received the tx message from.  Not the sending bitcoin address but which peer sent the the tx message to their node.  Alas sadly I wasn't spammed so I can't help.

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Thanks for you replay DeathAndTaxes.

I also thought also about b). If you know that Blockchain.info relays spam, why relay the tx to all nodes yourself.

So the Reference Implementation doesn't not relay non-standard tx but doesn't ignore them either if they belong to your own wallet.
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This is only true if no one relays the tx to you.

I am wondering how many nodes have these txs in their mempool. I really need to set up a node.

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What if these pennies end up landing in people's paper wallets?
I read that multiple deposits to paper wallets could render them unusable.
I hope I am wrong.
That is pure bullshit. Why would a paper wallet become unusable because of a dust transaction that will never be confirmed? Makes no sense to me.
Too many people here talk before acquiring enough knowledge, sadly.
Correct, a paper wallet can not become unusable because of a dust transaction when even if it would get confirmed.

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February 11, 2014, 10:47:19 PM
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What if these pennies end up landing in people's paper wallets?
I read that multiple deposits to paper wallets could render them unusable.
I hope I am wrong.
That is pure bullshit. Why would a paper wallet become unusable because of a dust transaction that will never be confirmed? Makes no sense to me.
Too many people here talk before acquiring enough knowledge, sadly.
Correct, a paper wallet can not become unusable because of a dust transaction when even if it would get confirmed.
I'm glad that I was correct, because I thought that I was going insane and that I should read up on the Bitcoin Network, again.

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February 11, 2014, 10:52:23 PM
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I'm glad that I was correct, because I thought that I was going insane and that I should read up on the Bitcoin Network, again.
That would be a pretty stupid fault in the network, using common sense one must realize that this is not the case.
90-95% users here now lack a fair amount of knowledge, I don't even wanna begin imagining how they see the complex stuff..

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February 11, 2014, 10:57:01 PM
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This has happened before and it has stopped before. Don't panic.

Are you sure it's nothing malicious or anything to worry about?

It's probably just spam. I don't see how it could be malicious.

It is interfering with normal transactions.   Maybe not everywhere but at least some operations.  

Does your client not order by transactions with most priority unless manually stated otherwise? I don't think 1*10^-8 will have a very large priority. Also, I'm feeling left out, no unknown transactions received, just donations, payments, and, outputs from a few of scripts I have running collecting BTC.

EDIT:- Actually, I just realized I'm only connected to (From my house-hold) two (Self-owned) latest-version bitcoind applications with the 0.00005430 bitcoin minimum, so, many I have, but, they didn't relay them to me. Oh well.

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February 11, 2014, 11:00:58 PM
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Is the person doing this manually though? It would take a lot of time to do this for little gain.

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February 11, 2014, 11:03:23 PM
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Is the person doing this manually though? It would take a lot of time to do this for little gain.

Obviously we can't tell for sure, but, the answer is 99.999% no, it's automated.

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February 11, 2014, 11:05:32 PM
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It is interfering with normal transactions.   Maybe not everywhere but at least some operations.  
No it does not. Please educate yourself before posting nonsense.
These transactions will most likely never be confirmed anyways. They have no impact on the network.

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February 11, 2014, 11:09:11 PM
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there's nothing wrong with *any* of this!!  it just means more money for the end user!!
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I'm glad that I was correct, because I thought that I was going insane and that I should read up on the Bitcoin Network, again.
That would be a pretty stupid fault in the network, using common sense one must realize that this is not the case.
90-95% users here now lack a fair amount of knowledge, I don't even wanna begin imagining how they see the complex stuff..
+1 for you. And well, here is an example on how they treat complex stuff. It's not that complex, but oh well. Someone states that nLockTime is used for Reverse Transactions. I could be wrong about my statement, but I highly doubt it since I used it to create LockMyCoins (which is currently being redone).

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February 11, 2014, 11:12:44 PM
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It is interfering with normal transactions.   Maybe not everywhere but at least some operations.  
No it does not. Please educate yourself before posting nonsense.
These transactions will most likely never be confirmed anyways. They have no impact on the network.

Why do you assume everywhere is running the same software?   That isn't the case.   I had to have a wallet manually updated because the software couldn't accept a deposit while there were unconfirmed transactions.    Of coarse that is a software problem, but this has shown up at two different places I know of, which means there are like a lot more.

Should the software handle it?  Of course, but it takes time to update software and there are always risks.    

Technically the problem is at the edge of the network, not the network itself.  Functionally though it impacts the use of the network.   Over time the problems will be fixed.  

 
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February 11, 2014, 11:12:59 PM
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It is interfering with normal transactions.   Maybe not everywhere but at least some operations.  
No it does not. Please educate yourself before posting nonsense.
These transactions will most likely never be confirmed anyways. They have no impact on the network.

I think what he's saying is:-

His client is using the MIN_OUTPUT size out (From 1Enjoy and any other addresses doing this), and, is using it as an input. As his transaction relies on the transaction that'll never be confirmed, his transaction also won't be confirmed.

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February 11, 2014, 11:17:48 PM
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Dusting is just creating a lot of very small transactions.   It wastes space in the block chain with these dust transactions that still take up room.   I'm not clear on all the applications of it.   There are some theories on how it could be used to help track a wallet back to an IP.

Wrong theories aren't worth much.  Transactions aren't sent to a particular address, there is nothing to trace.

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Another use might be to try to build a list of valid address.   In theory one could generate private keys and see if they match any of the list of known wallets.   If you get a hit you have a valid private key.   That approach is unlikely to work, but it doesn't stop someone from trying.

Um there is thing called the blockchain which already contains every valid address that has received bitcoins.  For an "attacker" to send you a satoshi they would already by definition need to know your address and know it is valid.   

Bitcoin private keys can't be brute forced.  There isn't enough energy in our solar system.   If they could then someone sending you a satoshi is the least of your worries. 


Hmmm, you are assuming there isn't an undiscovered weakness in the code.   Anyway I clearly said is was unlikely to work.   That doesn't stop someone from trying.   
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February 11, 2014, 11:18:52 PM
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Why do you assume everywhere is running the same software?   That isn't the case.   I had to have a wallet manually updated because the software couldn't accept a deposit while there were unconfirmed transactions.    Of coarse that is a software problem, but this has shown up at two different places I know of, which means there are like a lot more.
Should the software handle it?  Of course, but it takes time to update software and there are always risks.    
Technically the problem is at the edge of the network, not the network itself.  Functionally though it impacts the use of the network.   Over time the problems will be fixed.    
That is a problem of your software (and whoever made it). If it does have an effect on it, that does not mean it has one of the network or default client.
That would be a pretty stupid fault in the network, using common sense one must realize that this is not the case.
90-95% users here now lack a fair amount of knowledge, I don't even wanna begin imagining how they see the complex stuff..
+1 for you. And well, here is an example on how they treat complex stuff. It's not that complex, but oh well. Someone states that nLockTime is used for Reverse Transactions. I could be wrong about my statement, but I highly doubt it since I used it to create LockMyCoins (which is currently being redone).
Yeah I've read that topic. I just don't understand these people. I will openly say that I currently do not know what nLockTime is used for, but I do not post about it claiming random nonsense when I lack the knowledge. That seems the problem in many people. You're most likely correct on the matter.

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February 11, 2014, 11:19:46 PM
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Look at the last merges, devs are already fixing the malleability problem
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1xniph/look_at_the_last_merges_devs_are_already_fixing/

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February 11, 2014, 11:24:43 PM
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Yeah I've read that topic. I just don't understand these people. I will openly say that I currently do not know what nLockTime is used for, but I do not post about it claiming random nonsense when I lack the knowledge. That seems the problem in many people. You're most likely correct on the matter.
It's easy. It prevents a transaction from being accepted into the Blockchain before a certain timestamp or block is reached. That is the basic explanation of nLockTime. Nothing more, nothing less.

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February 11, 2014, 11:27:19 PM
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Why do you assume everywhere is running the same software?   That isn't the case.   I had to have a wallet manually updated because the software couldn't accept a deposit while there were unconfirmed transactions.    Of coarse that is a software problem, but this has shown up at two different places I know of, which means there are like a lot more.
Should the software handle it?  Of course, but it takes time to update software and there are always risks.    
Technically the problem is at the edge of the network, not the network itself.  Functionally though it impacts the use of the network.   Over time the problems will be fixed.    
That is a problem of your software (and whoever made it). If it does have an effect on it, that does not mean it has one of the network or default client.

WRONG - It wasn't my software, it was software at a vendor I was trying to use.   So far we know of two different places where this was a problem including the blockchain.info sweep function.   There are likely many more we don't know about.   For most people this makes up what is perceived to be the bitcoin network.   It doesn't matter that it is outside the network for the average person.  

Brushing off this a problem in other people's software is a lame approach.   The simple fact is that these are not valid transactions and should be in the blockchain in the first place.   Granted it is easy to manually work around.   However, if bitcoin is going to go mainstream we really can't afford to have nonsense issues like this.    

How many places are transactions blocked because software is waiting for there be no unconfirmed transactions for a public address?
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https://bitcoinfoundation.org/blog/?m=201402
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You may have noticed that some exchanges have temporarily suspended withdrawals and wondering what’s going on or more importantly, what’s being done about it. You can be rest assured that we have identified the issue and are collectively and collaboratively working on a solution.
 
Somebody (or several somebodies) is taking advantage of the transaction malleability issue and relaying mutated versions of transactions. This is exposing bugs in both the reference implementation and some exchange’s software.
 
We (core dev team, developers at the exchanges, and even big mining pools) are creating workarounds and fixes right now. This is a denial-of-service attack; whoever is doing this is not stealing coins, but is succeeding in preventing some transactions from confirming. It’s important to note that DoS attacks do not affect people’s bitcoin wallets or funds.
 
Users of the reference implementation who are bitten by this bug may see their bitcoins “tied up” in unconfirmed transactions; we need to update the software to fix that bug, so when they upgrade those coins are returned to the wallet and are available to spend again. Only users who make multiple transactions in a short period of time will be affected.
 
As a result, exchanges are temporarily suspending withdrawals to protect customer funds and prevent funds from being misdirected.
 
Thanks for your patience. Follow us @BTCFoundation for updates as we learn more and make progress.

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February 11, 2014, 11:31:30 PM
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That is a problem of your software (and whoever made it).
WRONG - It wasn't my software, it was software at a vendor I was trying to use.   So far we know of two different places where this was a problem including the blockchain.info sweep function.   There are likely many more we don't know about.   For most people this makes up what is perceived to be the bitcoin network.   It doesn't matter that it is outside the network for the average person.  
The author of the software. His problem. It is getting fixed anyways, it wasn't a priority issue.
It's easy. It prevents a transaction from being accepted into the Blockchain before a certain timestamp or block is reached. That is the basic explanation of nLockTime. Nothing more, nothing less.
Thanks for that simple explanation. Yet some people don't understand that.

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Thanks for that simple explanation. Yet some people don't understand that.
That's life Wink

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February 11, 2014, 11:42:27 PM
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That is a problem of your software (and whoever made it).
WRONG - It wasn't my software, it was software at a vendor I was trying to use.   So far we know of two different places where this was a problem including the blockchain.info sweep function.   There are likely many more we don't know about.   For most people this makes up what is perceived to be the bitcoin network.   It doesn't matter that it is outside the network for the average person.  
The author of the software. His problem. It is getting fixed anyways, it wasn't a priority issue.

The point is that as Bitcoin goes mainstream, it can't afford to have these types of issues.  Things need to work smoothly all the time for Bitcoin to succeed.   Granted that in the scheme of current events this is a minor issue.    
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Thanks for that simple explanation. Yet some people don't understand that.
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Thanks for that simple explanation. Yet some people don't understand that.
That's life Wink
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I also thought also about b). If you know that Blockchain.info relays spam, why relay the tx to all nodes yourself.

Well I don't know for sure if it the attacker has a direct connection OR if blockchain.info is relaying these non-standard transactions.  Without being on the receiving end of a spam attack I can't see where it is coming from.

Just putting both out as a possibility.  The attack may be doing all this on his own, or he may be just relaying them to blockchain.info knowing it will do the relaying for him, or he may be relaying them in additional to blockchain.info to increase the "coverage".  The relaying will stop when it hits a reference client so having multiple super nodes "helping" means it will reach more nodes.

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Reference Implementation doesn't not relay non-standard tx but doesn't ignore them either if they belong to your own wallet.

Yes that is a good way to put it.  If you are running the QT client you aren't helping the spammer but if you got spammed it is going to show up.

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and will not show up in your wallet until they are included in a block.
This is only true if no one relays the tx to you.

Correct but the reference client (and other clients which enforce the same rules) make up a super majority of the bitcoin nodes.  Unless the attacker or some other custom super node (possibly blockchain.info) has a direct connection to you it is very likely all of your peers will drop these transactions and never rely them to you.

For example, maybe I was spammed and just don't know it because all my direct peers are nodes running the reference client (or one with similar relay rules).
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This should be changed. Right now users can be spammed with thousands of TXs. I am sure having a few hundred TXs in your History that you can't spend sucks. Sure you can prune them with pywallet but 90% of the users won't don't that. Especially mobile users.

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This should be changed. Right now users can be spammed with thousands of TXs. I am sure having a few hundred TXs in your History that you can't spend sucks. Sure you can prune them with pywallet but 90% of the users won't don't that. Especially mobile users.

How would you propose changing it?  I guess optionally you could hide transactions below a certain threshold (possibly the same limit as they will be uneconomical to spend anyways), but you can "undo" Bitcoin transactions even ones you don't "want".
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I wouldn't complain if someone gave me free stuff.. Seriously tho, I can't really see anything to worry about.

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Look at the last merges, devs are already fixing the malleability problem
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1xniph/look_at_the_last_merges_devs_are_already_fixing/

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How would you propose changing it?  I guess optionally you could hide transactions below a certain threshold (possibly the same limit as they will be uneconomical to spend anyways), but you can "undo" Bitcoin transactions even ones you don't "want".
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There is one other relevant rule: transactions with very small outputs ("dust" -- around 5,000 satoshis, based on the -minrelaytxfee setting) are considered non-standard and are not relayed.

Simple ignore all non-standard TXs, regardless if they belong to your wallet. Litecoin already has a dust hard limit. All inputs smaller 0.00001 are ignored by the client.
Sure you can remove the spam from your wallet, but implementing a new rule would discourage spam like this.

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I wouldn't complain if someone gave me free stuff.. Seriously tho, I can't really see anything to worry about.
You are not able to spend the "free stuff" (unless a miner includes this spam into a block, which I doubt). It is just there the bloat your wallet and history.

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I wouldn't complain if someone gave me free stuff.. Seriously tho, I can't really see anything to worry about.

That stupid 1 Satoshi spam may have cost me .05 BTC.  It isn't much money but it has at least cost others LOTS of wasted time.  Anytime someone is stealing your time it isn't free.

A wallet I was working with a vendor with got spammed.  Their software won't transfer from a wallet with unconfirmed transactions.   Since it was their wallet I'm at their mercy to manually transfer the funds because the connection between that wallet and my account was broken.  

You can keep your free stuff!  Angry
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 Their software won't transfer from a wallet with unconfirmed transactions.  

might be time to get that fixed?

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