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September 27, 2011, 11:18:25 PM
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That's what everyone around here thinks, right?  I hear lots of crying about taxes.  Lower taxes means more prosperity, right?  No taxes means ultimate prosperity, right?  High taxes means the stiffling of business and mass exodus of the wealthy, right?

Well let's see what history has to say...














Note years of highest taxes and years of lowest taxes.  Did real wages increase during the periods of lowest taxes?  Did real wages decrease during periods of highest taxes?  Is there evidence of this magical trickle down effect that supposedly comes from decreased taxes on the wealthy?

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September 27, 2011, 11:26:06 PM
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wow, low taxes correlates to the top 1% of people earning $713,000 per year.
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September 27, 2011, 11:26:40 PM
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Weren't business, the economy, and citizens being hurt way more back when there were no tax and therefore no services (roads, police etc) that taxes pay for?

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September 27, 2011, 11:42:18 PM
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While I disagree with the conclusions you have drawn from your graphs,   I am more interested in hearing about how you disagree with the moral argument against taxation presented here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngpsJKQR_ZE


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September 27, 2011, 11:55:06 PM
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Weren't business, the economy, and citizens being hurt way more back when there were no tax and therefore no services (roads, police etc) that taxes pay for?

Yes, absolutely.  The thread's title is sarcastic.  Cheesy



While I disagree with the conclusions you have drawn from your graphs,   I am more interested in hearing about how you disagree with the moral argument against taxation presented here:

I don't really care about moral arguments against taxation because they boil down to semantics.  Wether you're paying a government or private security firms, research organizations, road owners, etc. it doesn't make a difference.

"Libertarians don't denounce what the state does, they just object to who's doing it. This is why the people most victimized by the state display the least interest in libertarianism. Those on the receiving end of coercion don't quibble over their coercers' credentials. If you can't pay or don't want to, you don't much care if your deprivation is called larceny or taxation or restitution or rent. If you like to control your own time, you distinguish employment from enslavement only in degree and duration."
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Now that we've covered that, please keep this on topic.

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September 28, 2011, 12:17:27 AM
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I don't really care about moral arguments against taxation because they boil down to semantics.  Wether you're paying a government or private security firms, research organizations, road owners, etc. it doesn't make a difference.


You are avoiding the question at hand.

McDonalds has never threatened to lock me in a cage if I refuse to buy their Hamburger.

The US Government threatens to lock me in a cage if I refuse to pay for their wars.

This is much more than mere semantics.

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September 28, 2011, 12:33:43 AM
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Is it about taxes as a whole or just too much taxes?

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September 28, 2011, 12:36:10 AM
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AyeYo is just trolling again, and has no intention of actually debating these issues.  Please don't feed the troll.

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