Project Bravio

[Techius]

Welcome to Project Bravio! This is the start of a new Bitcoin gambling website. We're not just going to be your typical website only interested in profit. Our stated desire for this project is to provide experience for coders, help you network and connect with others and for you to ultimately profit. These are coincidentally the steps our website will need to take. At the end of the day it will all pay off for everyone involved.

Project Bravio is a code name for a website I have in mind. This isn't going to be your typical game against the house. That's been tried before. What we're striving for in this project is for true competition among players. Player vs Player is the model we will be using for this.

What made us decide on PvP?

As gamblers, we typically play against the house. Why do the same and tired old thing? We know that most gambling websites are dodgy and designed to make you fail. It doesn't have to be this way. Here at Project Bravio, we believe in a fair chance while retaining competitiveness. We want to give people the chance to take home some earnings. People won't join if they know they're going to lose. This will immediately give us an edge over our competitors.

What is the game?

This isn't just a random dice game or bust before a specific number. Tried and saturated. Envision a pool of funds that people contribute to. The people who pay more have a higher chance of winning. In effect, this a bit like a lottery or a raffle. Just without having to specifically guess a number. The more tickets you buy; the higher chance you have. This is sure to incentivise competition among players which in turns means more revenue for us.

Have you heard of this idea before? You're right, it exists already -- just not in the cryptosphere! If you're similar with CS:GO betting, you may have heard of a website called SkinJoker. This is where we get our inspiration from.

How will this make money?

There are three ways Project Bravio can make money:

1. Collect fees

Each game will have a pool of funds specific to that round. Each time a person wins, we will subtract a small percentage from it. This will be how the website mostly collects revenue.

2. House edge

Keeping in line with the idea of a pool, instead of collecting fees each game, we could allow for the possibility of a "bust" and the house collects all of the earnings for this round.

3. Mixture of both

We can mix collecting fees and having an edge fee. This wouldn't be a popular idea with players. This would be a great way to raise revenue however. This has the possibility of turning away people, which would ultimately mean less revenue.

We're leaving this up to a vote for you to decide: https://strawpoll.com/w9cr7a27

What's in it for those involved?

To sum it up into a simple sentence: "Our stated desire for this project is to provide experience for coders, help you network and connect with others and for you to ultimately profit."

- Providing experience

If you're a coder looking for a new addition to your portfolio, this is the place to be. Not only that, you will learn the importance of running a website with many moving parts. These lessons alone are priceless and can teach you a lot which you may have not known already.

- Help you network

Coding isn't just enough. We want interaction between our developers. You're the nucleus to our atom. Having good relations with each other is of utmost importance to make sure that this is pulled off well. Helping you network is something that's important in the world of business. We're going to connect great minds with each others by uniting them around with this single project. This is going to mean more personal opportunities for you at a later date.

- Profit

Each person involved in this project will be given a share of the profit. It's only fair. A payment of one-time isn't merely enough. We believe that if you want to be truly ingrained with this you need to continuously take a share of profits. We want people to see the fruits of their labour. Your wallet will only grow if you're truly dedicated to this website.

At the moment, we only have our about section public. That's not to say that's acceptable. We're working on additional information which will come at a later date.

Marketing Plan - Coming soon [?]

Financing Plan - Coming soon [?]

Community Plan - Coming soon [?]

Here's where you have the opportunity to get involved!

What we're looking for:

- Front end developers

- Back end developers

- GFX

What we don't want:

- Managers, moderators or any form of organizers

- Merely symbolic roles "community relations" "human resources" "diversity officer"

Everyone is expected to pull their weight. I'm not going to just stand around personally. I can program. I'm going to do my part as much as the next guy is. Fannying around will not get us ahead. We will all have to pull our weight in order for this succeed.

If you're interested in getting involved with this, don't hesitate to contact me in PM or post in this thread. The more people who express interest in this, the better! You have nothing to lose by merely inquiring about this. There's a high chance you could be taken on!

Feel free to join our Discord: https://discord.gg/d4ZrGcg


Good luck!

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[shield132]

Finally, what kind of game it is? As you say it's not a random dice, as I understand it's like sportsbet when someone places ticket and random human takes it while thinks bettor will lose bet and he/she gets profit.
Sorry if I misunderstood but I think it's dice where there are players and humans as house edge. When I bet, someone choose me and get's my lose or pays me for my profit yeah?

[SyGambler]

Finally, what kind of game it is? As you say it's not a random dice, as I understand it's like sportsbet when someone places ticket and random human takes it while thinks bettor will lose bet and he/she gets profit.
Sorry if I misunderstood but I think it's dice where there are players and humans as house edge. When I bet, someone choose me and get's my lose or pays me for my profit yeah?

reading the first few lines I thought that this platform is a totally new idea , like maybe they will offer P2P skill games , but continuing reading you can see this

This isn't just a random dice game or bust before a specific number. Tried and saturated. Envision a pool of funds that people contribute to. The people who pay more have a higher chance of winning. In effect, this a bit like a lottery or a raffle. Just without having to specifically guess a number. The more tickets you buy; the higher chance you have. This is sure to incentivise competition among players which in turns means more revenue for us.

so basically there is nothing new , it's just another lottery site and there is no difference at all with other gambling forms since the EV will be negative as well

I'm hoping to see new ideas that mix skills and gambling where both the site and some players can make money

[Techius]

There's going to be a huge amount of skill required in this game.

People will be able to snipe games.

They will be able to work together and form teams.

People will try time the games and do whacky things.

That's all fine with me. It adds to fun of the game. As long as it's not hacking it.

[Techius]

We have a front end dev & GFX designer on board! We're still looking for someone to do backend!

[Mister1k]

To market your project on bitcointalk is the best idea to get the fame and more crypto currency users mate. I see the people here on the bitcointalk only goes to gamble and review themselves about the gambling site. If your project is good even you will get the more fame.

To run a campaign you can go with the good campaign manager yahoo62278 as a manager he has vast experience on gambling and bounty campaign management. Hope we will see soon and waiting to support you mate.
Good luck.

[Wipro]

I see you have mentioned marketing soon in this thread op. Please let me know that you need the campaign manager to run your signature campaign on BTT. If yes, Please feel free to write me and I see recently some of the gambling site emerge with the help of signature campaign programs. Hope we join soon and make the success.

Please find more information about me via this below link.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4459496.msg39933688#msg39933688`

All the best for the success of this project Bravio

[stomachgrowls]

Since this is just on developing period i guess this wont be appropriate to be posted on this gambling section but either on project development or announcement boards (correct me if im wrong).

Towards the project im little bit curious yet you had mentioned that this wont really be just like a typical game against the house. 

[ibatcakes]

Since this is just on developing period i guess this wont be appropriate to be posted on this gambling section but either on project development or announcement boards (correct me if im wrong).

Towards the project im little bit curious yet you had mentioned that this wont really be just like a typical game against the house. 

From the description he wrote it sounds a lot like a game which i made back in 2016

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C--rJtSVj_c ( it doesnt exist anymore so not advertisement)

Im wondering how are you gonna make a provably fair system for this kind of game?

Hash/salt/roll isn't really it, because you(house)  could still see the outcome of the game before everyone else does.

[SyGambler]

There's going to be a huge amount of skill required in this game.

People will be able to snipe games.

They will be able to work together and form teams.

People will try time the games and do whacky things.

That's all fine with me. It adds to fun of the game. As long as it's not hacking it.

still don't get it , how people teaming up is considered a skill when they are teaming up in buying lottery tickets that the site take a cut from it
it's still -EV isn't it or am I missing something , if so please explain more cause I still see no skill involved at all

[iluvbitcoins]

Not 'something new' entirely.

I've seen things like this on multiple occasions - and yes, in the crypto sphere, not somewhere else.

Things like fish bite fish cross my mind.

[veleten]

I like the idea and the "white paper"
but since you don't have the project complete just yet,would not it be better to post this in project development instead
not sure how close ou are to going live,but I will surely be waiting for this one,something new and a breath of fresh air

[NightSabre]

It's an interesting idea but I'd be worried the platform would be dominated by a few players that group up to game the system.

Would it also be provably fair?

[veleten]

It's an interesting idea but I'd be worried the platform would be dominated by a few players that group up to game the system.

Would it also be provably fair?

thats a good question,usually PVP games are difficult to verify in terms of fairness
since admins have access to the hashes and can simply create an account and bet against you
this is almost impossible to control and many sites tried and failed,name a famous PVP gambling site out of the head?

[just_Alice]

This isn't just a random dice game or bust before a specific number. Tried and saturated. Envision a pool of funds that people contribute to. The people who pay more have a higher chance of winning. In effect, this a bit like a lottery or a raffle. Just without having to specifically guess a number. The more tickets you buy; the higher chance you have. This is sure to incentivise competition among players which in turns means more revenue for us.

As far as I understand this game basically turns out to be just about the money? Can you, let's say, but 100% of tickets and win? If the difference in the price of the ticket and the prize is big enough it would still make sense. At the same time it would make the game fair. I mean there are so many people, who bet and gamble when they don't have much money just because of the hope to win. With your rules whose people will see their chances to win and won't get involved eventually.
PvP idea sounds great to me, each one will want to invest more to gain more and that's how the game gets more interesting - the prize cost rises, right?
And about working with you - do you consider paying cash, or is it just the % of a profit, that one will get for work?

[Techius]

I hope you're all doing well!

Since this is just on developing period i guess this wont be appropriate to be posted on this gambling section but either on project development or announcement boards (correct me if im wrong).

Towards the project im little bit curious yet you had mentioned that this wont really be just like a typical game against the house. 

From the description he wrote it sounds a lot like a game which i made back in 2016

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C--rJtSVj_c ( it doesnt exist anymore so not advertisement)

Im wondering how are you gonna make a provably fair system for this kind of game?

Hash/salt/roll isn't really it, because you(house)  could still see the outcome of the game before everyone else does.

I agree that this is a problem. It's a problem with the entire provability system itself though. The owner of Bustabit said that the number generates before the game starts to prevent it from sniping big players. Whether or not he's telling the truth is an entirely different proposition. I think it's still good to implement provability fair regardless.

Not 'something new' entirely.

I've seen things like this on multiple occasions - and yes, in the crypto sphere, not somewhere else.

Things like fish bite fish cross my mind.

Never heard of that one and Google doesn't show much.

It's an interesting idea but I'd be worried the platform would be dominated by a few players that group up to game the system.

Would it also be provably fair?

I've thought about this too. That's why I believe there should be multiple servers that people can participate in with minimum amounts. The incentive for big players to snipe smaller players won't be there when they could instead bet with other high rollers on their own network. Basically, if you have fees each round and a whale comes along to bet then the fees won't make it worthwhile.

To answer your question: yes!

This isn't just a random dice game or bust before a specific number. Tried and saturated. Envision a pool of funds that people contribute to. The people who pay more have a higher chance of winning. In effect, this a bit like a lottery or a raffle. Just without having to specifically guess a number. The more tickets you buy; the higher chance you have. This is sure to incentivise competition among players which in turns means more revenue for us.

As far as I understand this game basically turns out to be just about the money? Can you, let's say, but 100% of tickets and win? If the difference in the price of the ticket and the prize is big enough it would still make sense. At the same time it would make the game fair. I mean there are so many people, who bet and gamble when they don't have much money just because of the hope to win. With your rules whose people will see their chances to win and won't get involved eventually.
PvP idea sounds great to me, each one will want to invest more to gain more and that's how the game gets more interesting - the prize cost rises, right?
And about working with you - do you consider paying cash, or is it just the % of a profit, that one will get for work?

The prize comes from the placed bets itself. It would be impossible to have a single person betting. The game at the very minimum requires two people to work.

If I were to pay cash, it would have to be for a finished product, not hours worked. But that would be at sacrifice of your future share of the profits. I think it's better to receive a continuous payment month-after-month than just a single payment. Are you in this for short-term gains or long-term?


We're still looking for a backend developer!

[Techius]

There's going to be a huge amount of skill required in this game.

People will be able to snipe games.

They will be able to work together and form teams.

People will try time the games and do whacky things.

That's all fine with me. It adds to fun of the game. As long as it's not hacking it.

still don't get it , how people teaming up is considered a skill when they are teaming up in buying lottery tickets that the site take a cut from it
it's still -EV isn't it or am I missing something , if so please explain more cause I still see no skill involved at all

There's skill in being able to time your entry.

[ibatcakes]

I hope you're all doing well!

Since this is just on developing period i guess this wont be appropriate to be posted on this gambling section but either on project development or announcement boards (correct me if im wrong).

Towards the project im little bit curious yet you had mentioned that this wont really be just like a typical game against the house. 

From the description he wrote it sounds a lot like a game which i made back in 2016

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C--rJtSVj_c ( it doesnt exist anymore so not advertisement)

Im wondering how are you gonna make a provably fair system for this kind of game?

Hash/salt/roll isn't really it, because you(house)  could still see the outcome of the game before everyone else does.

I agree that this is a problem. It's a problem with the entire provability system itself though. The owner of Bustabit said that the number generates before the game starts to prevent it from sniping big players. Whether or not he's telling the truth is an entirely different proposition. I think it's still good to implement provability fair regardless.

You can't really call it a provably fair system, I don't think its fair to market it as a game with provably fair when you the house can still see the result before the game ends and just hop-in and play. I'm not saying you would do that. Nothing wrong with your game not being provably fair it would just require peoples trust, otherwise imagine what will happen when you release the game and have the "provably fair" section which only "verifies" the bets and nothing else.

Maybe you could create an open source smart contract if you use ETH for the game
If its btc maybe you could implement "stretching function", but that would make the games longer

[SyGambler]

There's going to be a huge amount of skill required in this game.

People will be able to snipe games.

They will be able to work together and form teams.

People will try time the games and do whacky things.

That's all fine with me. It adds to fun of the game. As long as it's not hacking it.

still don't get it , how people teaming up is considered a skill when they are teaming up in buying lottery tickets that the site take a cut from it
it's still -EV isn't it or am I missing something , if so please explain more cause I still see no skill involved at all

There's skill in being able to time your entry.

still not clear to me , please give me an example how skills in choosing the time of entry can change the result
make the example like if the pot has X then a player decided to enter at Y what difference would that make ?

have tried to read the concept over and over again , still not able to see anything related to skills

[Techius]

There's going to be a huge amount of skill required in this game.

People will be able to snipe games.

They will be able to work together and form teams.

People will try time the games and do whacky things.

That's all fine with me. It adds to fun of the game. As long as it's not hacking it.

still don't get it , how people teaming up is considered a skill when they are teaming up in buying lottery tickets that the site take a cut from it
it's still -EV isn't it or am I missing something , if so please explain more cause I still see no skill involved at all

There's skill in being able to time your entry.

still not clear to me , please give me an example how skills in choosing the time of entry can change the result
make the example like if the pot has X then a player decided to enter at Y what difference would that make ?

have tried to read the concept over and over again , still not able to see anything related to skills

If a player decides to snipe, they can increase their chances before anyone else can enter. This can give them a massive chance to win.