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September 30, 2018, 03:30:42 AM
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The left has not been calling for one thing only. They want to delay the confirmation, on the gamble that senate and congress ratios change. That's all it's about.

The people I have known in the FBI are pretty outstanding.

There's a corollary to Occim's razor. Make the hypothesis as simple as possible, but no simpler than the facts actually demand.

You can't ignore the hyper politicized environment. It is what it is.

Well, that's what the FBI is supposed to do - facts.

If Democrats were gambling - Republicans could (and should) have called their bluff long ago and saved themselves some time. There was no point delaying the FBI investigation. But even in the worst case they still have 3 months. It would take a series of monumental fuckups for Republicans to lose that SCOTUS seat.

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September 30, 2018, 04:04:24 AM
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Well, that's what the FBI is supposed to do - facts.


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September 30, 2018, 04:11:16 AM
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The left has not been calling for one thing only. They want to delay the confirmation, on the gamble that senate and congress ratios change. That's all it's about.

The people I have known in the FBI are pretty outstanding.

There's a corollary to Occim's razor. Make the hypothesis as simple as possible, but no simpler than the facts actually demand.

You can't ignore the hyper politicized environment. It is what it is.

Well, that's what the FBI is supposed to do - facts.

If Democrats were gambling - Republicans could (and should) have called their bluff long ago and saved themselves some time. There was no point delaying the FBI investigation. But even in the worst case they still have 3 months. It would take a series of monumental fuckups for Republicans to lose that SCOTUS seat.

There is no such thing as "monumental fuckups." There is nothing here except attempts to create delay both by public smear campaign and by legal maneuvers.

There is no "if" to "Democrats gambling." Of course they are. They hope to win majority in the House and have certain strategies predicated upon that outcome.

There is no merit to what the FBI is "supposed to do."
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September 30, 2018, 04:29:20 AM
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There is no such thing as "monumental fuckups." There is nothing here except attempts to create delay both by public smear campaign and by legal maneuvers.

There is no "if" to "Democrats gambling." Of course they are. They hope to win majority in the House and have certain strategies predicated upon that outcome.

There is no merit to what the FBI is "supposed to do."

Republicans could vote on the nomination tomorrow. They could have voted on it a week ago. The reason they don't has about as much to do with their own political maneuvering as anything Democrats are doing. If Republicans don't want to be seen pushing an undesirable nominee through then they should drop him and get Trump to nominate someone else.

Last week was one such fuckup. They insisted on a public hearing that was unnecessary and it ended up showing their nominee as an ill-tempered political stooge and did nothing to alleviate the allegations.

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September 30, 2018, 04:46:17 AM
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There is nothing here except attempts to create delay both by public smear campaign and by legal maneuvers.

If only the republicans controlled the Senate floor they would be able to force a vote and not be forced to give into the minority parties public smear campaign.

The dems have no legal maneuvers ffs the republicans could have voted and passed him 70 or 80 days ago if they wanted to, the republicans literally hold all the legal power LOL and you think the dems have legal maneuvers.

I guess when the republicans fucked Garland over for 11 months you didn't mind those delay tactics eh? Where the republicans delayed his nom for no reason what so ever for 293 days.  

You hypocrites, at least admit all you want is a generation of conservative jurisprudence and don't care about the truth because that might jeopardize that somehow.  

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September 30, 2018, 06:55:26 AM
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Trump says FBI probe into Kavanaugh is a ‘blessing in disguise’
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2018/09/29/trump-says-fbi-probe-into-kavanaugh-is-a-blessing-in-disguise/amp/
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The reopened FBI investigation into Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh is “a blessing in disguise,” President Trump said Saturday – insisting he is not contemplating a replacement for his embattled would-be associate justice.

“I don’t need a backup plan,” Trump said. “I think he’s going to be fine.”

“Having the FBI go out and do a thorough investigation, whether it’s three days or seven days, I think it’s going to be less than a week… I actually think it will be a blessing in disguise,” Trump told reporters on the South Lawn of the White House as he departed for a rally in West Virginia. “It will be a good thing.”

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September 30, 2018, 08:09:08 AM
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The left has not been calling for one thing only. They want to delay the confirmation, on the gamble that senate and congress ratios change. That's all it's about.

Or you know, make sure they don't elect a rapist to the highest court in the land. I realise that's a novel concept to the right since they were quite happy to make a rapist president.

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But even in the worst case they still have 3 months. It would take a series of monumental fuckups for Republicans to lose that SCOTUS seat.

Well if Trump nominates another serial rapist and liar then its not hard to imagine them not getting a (if they lose the senate) lame duck nom through lol!

I think McConnell/Trump do have a really tight grip on those 51 senators (including Flake).  I think Kavanaugh was a cunt hair away from getting rammed through.

The Republicans are wasting their own fucking time, their own Senators forced them to have the investigation not the dems LOLOL.  If they would have just had the investigation a week ago they would have already proven that Dr. Ford was a lying dem operative then Kavanaugh would be sitting on the bench for tomorrows session!

IF the dems win the senate AND Trump some how fucks up a lame duck nom the evangelicals will lose their fucking minds at not getting that seat!

The republicans opened pandoras box when they fucked Garland under the old rules and then changed the rules right away to benefit themselves.  If you think the dems are delaying now, just wait, IF the dems take the senate and Trump appoints another nom that his own party wont lame duck ram through, they will hold that seat open till 2020 or till they lose the senate again...

The irony of delaying Kavanaugh's nom for a week for an FBI investigations while the republicans held Garland open for 11 months is ignorant.  Right wing hypocrites, no wonder the right is full of evangelicals.

Edit: To be fair I am not actually convinced the dems are going to win the senate.  While the dems are polling strong early Trumps base has proven the polls are even less effective than normal.

At this point I still think the republicans will get their generation of conservative jurisprudence but I highly doubt it will be Kavanaugh as the Justice that makes that happen.

Y'all are screaming over losing the battle but yet still won the war.  The only thing stopping the republicans is the republicans haha.

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September 30, 2018, 02:03:28 PM
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At this point I still think the republicans will get their generation of conservative jurisprudence but I highly doubt it will be Kavanaugh as the Justice that makes that happen.

Y'all are screaming over losing the battle but yet still won the war.  The only thing stopping the republicans is the republicans haha.
I can argue with some of your details but not this.

The Repubs seem to be pretty divergent and loose-knit, far more difficult to get them to all be together than the Democrats. They'll goose-step in cadence to what latest weird nonsense was handed to them. Every time.
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September 30, 2018, 03:40:36 PM
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The left has not been calling for one thing only. They want to delay the confirmation, on the gamble that senate and congress ratios change. That's all it's about.

Or you know, make sure they don't elect a rapist to the highest court in the land. I realise that's a novel concept to the right since they were quite happy to make a rapist president.

No wonder you keep losing. Go bailout another bank. I hear you play with little boys. It must be true. I feel it. I don’t need any evidence. Good luck. You’ll need it. Keep watching your TV. You have it all figured out.
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Well if Trump nominates another serial rapist and liar then its not hard to imagine them not getting a (if they lose the senate) lame duck nom through lol!

And with thus deceleration of guilt you along with much of the irrational left have entirely abandoned the presumption innocence so fundamental for society to exist as anything other then a tyranny of the powerful.

You have joined with the radicals in their preposterous belief that an accusation alone determines guilt and are willing to condemn a man on that treacherous grounds.

The Democratic Party has now announced that every straight Christian white man will be guilty until proven innocent wherever they hold power. This used to just be SJWs on campus. Now it’s their whole party.

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Well if Trump nominates another serial rapist and liar then its not hard to imagine them not getting a (if they lose the senate) lame duck nom through lol!

And with thus deceleration of guilt you along with much of the irrational left have entirely abandoned the presumption innocence so fundamental for society to exist as anything other then a tyranny of the powerful.

You have joined with the radicals in their preposterous belief that an accusation alone determines guilt and are willing to condemn a man on that treacherous grounds.

The Democratic Party has now announced that every straight Christian white man will be guilty until proven innocent wherever they hold power. This used to just be SJWs on campus. Now it’s their whole party.

Guilty? Only if they are not Democratics.

They look the other way in an instant when it's those in their own party. Or their puppets of judges.

Of course it's also true that personal last minute smears is a standard operating tactic for Democrats.

Nothing new in that at all. Remember Bush and the letter that claimed he shirked his duty? Released at the last minute in the election cycle by Democrats who thought they'd get away with a last minute smear. But they got caught, didn't they..

https://nypost.com/2004/09/14/a-font-of-fakes-bush-bash-memos-forged-expert/

...a former adjunct computer science professor at Carnegie Mellon University who has published several Microsoft programming and graphics papers in addition to his book, is convinced the documents are a recent fabrication.

Newcomer – who said he’s no fan of Bush, but cannot let a forgery go unchallenged – tested the pixels and format of the CBS documents.

“With a couple of false starts, I was able in five minutes and two printings to hold my memo in front of the CBS memo, and they were almost identical,” he said.


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Well if Trump nominates another serial rapist and liar then its not hard to imagine them not getting a (if they lose the senate) lame duck nom through lol!

And with thus deceleration of guilt you along with much of the irrational left have entirely abandoned the presumption innocence so fundamental for society to exist as anything other then a tyranny of the powerful.

You have joined with the radicals in their preposterous belief that an accusation alone determines guilt and are willing to condemn a man on that treacherous grounds.

The Democratic Party has now announced that every straight Christian white man will be guilty until proven innocent wherever they hold power. This used to just be SJWs on campus. Now it’s their whole party.

Well, if Republicans get spanked in the midterms it's going to be in no small part due to hyperbole like this. This worked out in 2016 (lock her up, build the wall, etc) but it's less charming these days.

Kavanaugh is not on trial, so there is no presumption of innocence here. If he wants the job he might as well go along with the interview process, or he can bail out if it's too tough for him. It's hardly Democrats' fault that Trump's preferred demographic for his appointments is "straight Christian white man" and some of them turn out to be less-than-exemplary (e.g. Tom Price).

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It's hardly Democrats' fault that Trump's preferred demographic for his appointments is "straight Christian white man"

That's what the left says until the right appoints anything else and then they are just the token black guy, queer, or woman that they are just appointing for brownie points with minorities and of course they are not a "real" black anymore, uncle toms, race traitors, gender traitors..

Their is no way to win, no matter what the left always has a way to smear it to their flock..

Why doesn't the left cry about the overrepresentation of Jews? Don't they just get in because they tend to be very smart?

Straight Christian white males tend to be very smart too, and they tend to have principles in line with our founders, the constitution, and the general values which has made the west so great..  Maybe because the west was made great by, and our principles written by a high percentage of, straight Christian white men..

how many extremely intelligent, constitutionalist, queer, black, women do you know of? A lot rarer than extremely intelligent constitutionalist straight white males maybe?  

And it IS the left's fault, for so much of their effort has been put into brainwashing all but straight white males with their identity politics..
Their would likely be a lot more electable blacks for instance if the left didn't trick them into believing that it's the white conservative guy's fault that, everything..


If I was starting a country from scratch I think I would consider myself ancap, but in these times with the current situation my motives are mostly anti-communism..

The left is showing themselves to be more and more immoral dirty cheaters, and showing themselves to want to advance us towards authoritarian leftism, communism..
Every inch towards the left is an advance towards communism these days..


They are so desperate now they are getting bad at hiding it, more people come to the realization every day, so I'd be quite surprised to be hit by any "blue wave" any time soon until the moderate left regroups itself, disavows marxism and all the dirty political tricks they pull, and then maybe some of the center left will have a chance again some day.. Until then, I'm not willing to give them an inch..

With the democrats supporting and running socialists, and smearing politics with rape accusations, I don't see them having a chance, but maybe I put too much faith in my fellow citizens..

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They are so desperate now they are getting bad at hiding it, more people come to the realization every day, so I'd be quite surprised to be hit by any "blue wave" any time soon until the moderate left regroups itself, disavows marxism and all the dirty political tricks they pull, and then maybe some of the center left will have a chance again some day.. Until then, I'm not willing to give them an inch..

With the democrats supporting and running socialists, and smearing politics with rape accusations, I don't see them having a chance, but maybe I put too much faith in my fellow citizens..

And this is exactly the sort of behavior that drove people to Trump (and will again.)

Where's that Russia Collusion?


It's hardly Democrats' fault that Trump's preferred demographic for his appointments is "straight Christian white man"

That's what the left says until the right appoints anything else and then they are just the token black guy, queer, or woman that they are just appointing for brownie points with minorities and of course they are not a "real" black anymore, uncle toms, race traitors, gender traitors..

Their is no way to win, no matter what the left always has a way to smear it to their flock.. ....

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"Why don't y'all just go ahead and kill me now?"
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Well if Trump nominates another serial rapist and liar then its not hard to imagine them not getting a (if they lose the senate) lame duck nom through lol!

And with thus deceleration of guilt you along with much of the irrational left have entirely abandoned the presumption innocence so fundamental for society to exist as anything other then a tyranny of the powerful.

And with thus declaration that no allegations against white christian males (as long as they deny it) should ever be investigated you and much of the evangelical right have entirely abandoned the system of due process so fundamental for society to exist as anything other then a tyranny of the powerful

And yet the entire right has said Dr. Ford is lying, a dem plant to subvert Kavanaugh from his days as a bush staffer.  They don't believe her and fought tooth and nail to stop the actual truth from coming out.  The right is allowed to assert Kavanaugh is innocent but the left can't claim Kavanaugh is guilty or we broke the world LOL fucking hypocrites.

Congratulations to the right for trying to subvert due process by assuming every white christian male is innocent and an investigation is never required when the white christian male denies it, you have become part of the reason the world is laughing at America!

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September 30, 2018, 07:52:32 PM
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Kavanaugh is not on trial, so there is no presumption of innocence here. ....

I'm curious how and where that sort of world view came to your brain.

I don't agree with that view, at all.
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Kavanaugh is not on trial, so there is no presumption of innocence here. ....

I'm curious how and where that sort of world view came to your brain.

I don't agree with that view, at all.


I've been to quite a few job interviews, on both sides of the table. I have been kicked out and I have kicked candidates out for things that have nothing to do with breaking the law or being innocent or guilty. Not being fit for a job is not a crime. Expecting a SCOTUS nominee to be above reproach is fine too.

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Not sure how that's relevant. It's a fact that Trump's nominees are mostly white straight Christian men, so if one of them turns out to be contemptible then it's a good chance it's going to be a white straight Christian man. This has nothing to do with them being constitutional scholars.

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September 30, 2018, 08:04:37 PM
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BTW

Has anyone opened a bet on the confirmation in the gambling section ?

Wud love to see the odds.

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