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February 18, 2014, 12:56:42 AM
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Looks good. Good luck to the project.


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February 20, 2014, 02:47:58 AM
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Initial release has been sent to be put on zeronet, testnet for NXTcash.
Hopefully by next week, we can open it up to some larger scale testing.

The perfomance will not be fast due to size of zeroknowledge proofs. Functionality is what we need to concentrate on with alpha (proof of concept) version.

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February 20, 2014, 11:43:32 AM
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Initial release has been sent to be put on zeronet, testnet for NXTcash.
Hopefully by next week, we can open it up to some larger scale testing.

The perfomance will not be fast due to size of zeroknowledge proofs. Functionality is what we need to concentrate on with alpha (proof of concept) version.

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You just went ahead and DONE DID IT...  didn't ya James?!?    Cheesy

Truly amazing stuff going on in Nxt... I always try my best not to get overly excited... but I am beginning to fail miserably with Nxt!!!    Wink
Bloodyrookie is doing the heavy lifting, with an assist from marcus03. I am more of the vision thing so far. Now I just have to figure out how to get Matt Green's attention and hopefully a bit of help. Then you have permission to get excited Smiley

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February 20, 2014, 01:00:50 PM
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There's some amazing stuff going on with NXT.  Keep up the good work!
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February 20, 2014, 01:10:17 PM
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Do you need NXTcash client testers ?
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February 20, 2014, 02:10:10 PM
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Do you need NXTcash - Zerocoin Stakeholders?  Cheesy
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February 20, 2014, 06:12:03 PM
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Sent 1,000 from 14230624058877295231.

My first outgoing NXT transaction! I wish it could be more but it's nearly 25% of all the NXT that I have. Best of luck with this exciting project!

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February 20, 2014, 08:53:25 PM
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Sent 1,000 from 14230624058877295231.

My first outgoing NXT transaction! I wish it could be more but it's nearly 25% of all the NXT that I have. Best of luck with this exciting project!

-Clarkebar

Thanks for the support!
We are running into some issues in getting the zeronet (testnet for NXTcash) setup, probably due to the alpha release based on the 4.7 source release. I am hoping that next week we will be ready for a few dozen people testing.

Do not expect too much, if it just functions, I will be happy. Due to the nature of this project, I had to plot a path that requires some large tradeoffs at the initial stages. It is the end result that is important, and the key achievement so far is the integration into the NXT core of an escrow like mechanism to mint and spend NXTcash. This method would be applicable for purely escrow usage, but that is a separate project.

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February 20, 2014, 10:55:41 PM
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Sent 1000 NXT to the carrot account.

http://nxtexplorer.com/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=2000&tra=24916905271134361

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February 25, 2014, 12:01:30 PM
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Zerocoin will be added to Anoncoin too ?

http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/2014/02/24/interview-anoncoin-developer-speaks-zerocoin-implementation/
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February 25, 2014, 12:04:58 PM
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in about a month, I expect to have something early adopters can test

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February 25, 2014, 08:10:46 PM
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in about a month, I expect to have something early adopters can test

What are they smoking ?
They have been working on it months now (from last summer I think)..
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February 26, 2014, 10:43:10 AM
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Now, here comes a totally unexpected possibility. What if the automated gateway was able to handle NXTcash? All this gateway coding made me realize it just might be able to be done, which means we could get NXTcash much, much sooner as we dont have to port it to Java.

User mints NXTcash and sends public part + corresponding NXT to gateway, which issues NXTcash Asset to the gateway account. At this point nobody can trade the NXTcash asset.

User now has all that is needed to redeem the NXTcash in the private files from the minting process. For privacy, he copies it to a flash drive and goes to a public data center. From there he starts a NXTcash spend process, which only requires the private data on the flash drive and designates a brand new NXT acct to receive the NXTcash asset. Now the NXTcash asset can trade and the gateway would always have a minimum bid of 1:1 so the original amount spent is available (minus whatever fees)

This is certainly not as good as having it built into the protocol as it relies on the gateways being operational and also that the gateways will always have a 1:1 repurchase bid in Asset Exchange. Also, the NXTcash trading on AE is not anonymous. This actually might really help avoid any stigma attached to using this tech. Only if you went out of your way to redeem the NXTcash on a different computer will you have true anonymity.

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February 26, 2014, 11:25:17 AM
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Now, here comes a totally unexpected possibility. What if the automated gateway was able to handle NXTcash? All this gateway coding made me realize it just might be able to be done, which means we could get NXTcash much, much sooner as we dont have to port it to Java.
User mints NXTcash and sends public part + corresponding NXT to gateway, which issues NXTcash Asset to the gateway account. At this point nobody can trade the NXTcash asset.
User now has all that is needed to redeem the NXTcash in the private files from the minting process. For privacy, he copies it to a flash drive and goes to a public data center. From there he starts a NXTcash spend process, which only requires the private data on the flash drive and designates a brand new NXT acct to receive the NXTcash asset. Now the NXTcash asset can trade and the gateway would always have a minimum bid of 1:1 so the original amount spent is available (minus whatever fees)

This is a great idea. The sooner it is working, the better.

This is certainly not as good as having it built into the protocol as it relies on the gateways being operational and also that the gateways will always have a 1:1 repurchase bid in Asset Exchange. Also, the NXTcash trading on AE is not anonymous. This actually might really help avoid any stigma attached to using this tech. Only if you went out of your way to redeem the NXTcash on a different computer will you have true anonymity.

What does "NXTcash trading" refer to ? What will be anonymous and what will not ?
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February 27, 2014, 01:14:59 AM
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Now, here comes a totally unexpected possibility. What if the automated gateway was able to handle NXTcash? All this gateway coding made me realize it just might be able to be done, which means we could get NXTcash much, much sooner as we dont have to port it to Java.
User mints NXTcash and sends public part + corresponding NXT to gateway, which issues NXTcash Asset to the gateway account. At this point nobody can trade the NXTcash asset.
User now has all that is needed to redeem the NXTcash in the private files from the minting process. For privacy, he copies it to a flash drive and goes to a public data center. From there he starts a NXTcash spend process, which only requires the private data on the flash drive and designates a brand new NXT acct to receive the NXTcash asset. Now the NXTcash asset can trade and the gateway would always have a minimum bid of 1:1 so the original amount spent is available (minus whatever fees)

This is a great idea. The sooner it is working, the better.

This is certainly not as good as having it built into the protocol as it relies on the gateways being operational and also that the gateways will always have a 1:1 repurchase bid in Asset Exchange. Also, the NXTcash trading on AE is not anonymous. This actually might really help avoid any stigma attached to using this tech. Only if you went out of your way to redeem the NXTcash on a different computer will you have true anonymity.

What does "NXTcash trading" refer to ? What will be anonymous and what will not ?
The "teleporting" happens when you take the private info and redeem it for previously minted NXTcash assets. It is the private info generated on your computer and presumably being redeemed via USB drive on a physically different computer and the redemption randomly chooses from all the previously minted, but unclaimed NXTcash assets.

So what is visible on the blockchain is:

Temporarily "burning" NXT to register public data, which also adds NXTcash assets to a global pool. We see the NXT coming in. We know that private data was created, but not the actual data. public data mathemagically gets added to Accumulator. We also see that the amount of NXTcash assets available increased, but this is not a surprise because it matches the amount of NXT "burned"

We probably want to recommend to people to wait until there are at least <TBD> NXTcash assets in the global pool.

At some point, we see the side effect of the private data being "spent", which will only be seen on the blockchain as an asset transfer from NXTcash global pool to a (brand new) NXT acct.

NXTcash assets trading on Asset Exchange is all visible, but I think this is actually good as there is nothing inherently evil with NXTcash itself. It just gives people the option to utilize the privacy step above.

At some point anybody that purchased NXTcash assets can simply redeem it for NXT by transferring it back to the NXTcash acct. This is also visible.

So, the first step is really a lot like going to the bank and getting a suitcase full of cash, which dont have any serial numbers. The spending step is like depositing the suitcase full of cash and getting fully traceable casino chips. And the final redemption is converting the casino chips back into your "bank" balance, eg. NXT acct.

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February 27, 2014, 12:53:17 PM
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Perfectly explained. Thank you.

Maybe we can get CIYAM Open involved once he finishes with Automated Transactions ?
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February 28, 2014, 08:20:31 AM
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Following up on the request in the main NXT thread: I can setup and maintain one or two ZC testnet VPS. Sent me a link to your NRS version and I set it up.
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February 28, 2014, 10:12:32 AM
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Following up on the request in the main NXT thread: I can setup and maintain one or two ZC testnet VPS. Sent me a link to your NRS version and I set it up.
Thanks! I PM'ed you the details.

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February 28, 2014, 04:21:30 PM
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Following up on the request in the main NXT thread: I can setup and maintain one or two ZC testnet VPS. Sent me a link to your NRS version and I set it up.
Thanks! I PM'ed you the details.

James
Awesome!
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February 28, 2014, 07:34:10 PM
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Marcus got a zeronet up and running!
Now we need a few testers

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