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July 26, 2018, 11:29:28 AM
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No I don't believe so.  It is too easy for friends and family to switch to each other different merit, therefore giving them an advantage.
It's a way to cheat and make yourself more popular on the forums.

So we remove it and instead let those same users sign up with dozens of accounts each to spam the forum into oblivion? The merit system was introduced to stop exactly that. People who farm merit or trade it to their 'friends' or family (aka alts) usually get caught and have their accounts ruined when they do so it's not really worth the risk. They'll also run out of merits to exchange very fast.

NO, the merit system not  should really exist here. The eco-system of merit is handling a lot of spam in here true ? I think no ,  even if there is merit system spam post are as much as even if there would not be merit system. as we know until jr. member no merit is required and for spam camp we just need jr. member. does this make sense ? and every member here is doing bounties and all.

It's not going to stop shitposters from spamming, but it stops them from being able to rank up from doing so and that's why it's helpful. There needs to be additional restrictions or punishments for those still spamming on campaigns as Juniors etc and for those that continue to pay them to do it.

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July 26, 2018, 11:43:43 AM
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Not every member here is "doing bounties".

I believe that the forum will have to disable signatures for newbies and juniors, and to restrict their thread starting capabilities. They will have brought this on themselves, as they refuse to behave and obey the forum guidelines.

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July 26, 2018, 01:23:45 PM
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Following hilarious' comment that your posts are not absolute garbage, you are right, merits are generally given out based on the underlying content, not the effort put into one's post. The unfortunate reality is that people generally will give out merit (with many exceptions) to posts they are in agreement with, and will withhold merit on posts they disagree with.


I also think that this is the trend.  The Merit system becomes the "like" of Facebook in which one will easily give a merit to a certain post that he agrees with.  On the other hand, he will rarely give a merit to a post that has a different opinion compare to him.

I am seeing many newbies posting quality posts in Beginners and Help Section recently but they do not receive any single merit.

Is it just me or the Merit circulation slows down at some point (and continuously slowing/dying down)?

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July 26, 2018, 01:29:17 PM
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why should you care about your forum rank unless you are here to make money from signature campaigns

I guess it comes with other benefits. However, the vast majority are wanting to rank up for earning potential. Although, there are legitimate other reasons to want a higher rank. Especially, the lower ranked members wanting a slightly higher rank. People are oddly motivated by having a avatar for example. I guess it gives them some sort of identity.
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July 26, 2018, 02:31:19 PM
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Yes , it's really hard to earn  merit. Not  just  posting quality post  here in btt but  I suggest  try  to create   helpful   article. I think  that is best way to earn merit and also sharing  Informative news.
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July 26, 2018, 05:10:55 PM
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Following hilarious' comment that your posts are not absolute garbage, you are right, merits are generally given out based on the underlying content, not the effort put into one's post. The unfortunate reality is that people generally will give out merit (with many exceptions) to posts they are in agreement with, and will withhold merit on posts they disagree with.

It is my belief that there should be incentives to make posts, and disincentives to make shit/spam posts, and to remove the current incentives that currently exist to make shit/spam posts.

edit: I reviewed your posts, and I gave you sufficient merit to rank up to "member" status.

I absolutely agree with your statement. And thank you so much for going through my posts and providing appropriate merits. Smiley

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July 27, 2018, 05:48:20 AM
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Seeing the number of merits you got for this post, I doubt it should exist in the current form. A lot of improvements are required.
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July 27, 2018, 05:57:30 AM
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Yes , it's really hard to earn  merit. Not  just  posting quality post  here in btt but  I suggest  try  to create   helpful   article. I think  that is best way to earn merit and also sharing  Informative news.
What you have said is correct. I will just add this in to your advice. Don't post in the megathreads so that somebody can see your "HELPFUL" article and "INFORMATIVE" news.

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July 27, 2018, 09:57:57 AM
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why should you care about your forum rank unless you are here to make money from signature campaigns

Does trying to rank up only means trying to earn more money with signature and bounty campaigns? Or does it also mean that you are expecting some credit from people for your contribution and hard work on forum and trying to gain some reputation and respect? and who wouldn't like to share knowledge and content on forum and plus earn some bucks from it? But its not always just about money, atleast not for me. I am trying to rank up so as to gain some importance in the forum. If i wanted to make money, i would be shit posting and spamming instead of writing constructive posts.  Smiley

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July 27, 2018, 10:02:25 AM
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Seeing the number of merits you got for this post, I doubt it should exist in the current form. A lot of improvements are required.

Not really. You should check the reply of the person who has credited me merits on the topic. He hasn't merited me for this post. He has gone through my profile and all my previous posts and has then credited me with appropriate merits to rank up to member. Does that seem wrong to you?

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July 27, 2018, 10:24:06 AM
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Not really. You should check the reply of the person who has credited me merits on the topic. He hasn't merited me for this post. He has gone through my profile and all my previous posts and has then credited me with appropriate merits to rank up to member. Does that seem wrong to you?

This is something that I've done in the past. There are many beneficial members who make reasonable discussion posts, but no individual post is outstanding. The forum needs members like this to preserve an active vibrant community. Sometimes it is difficult to decide on individual posts, so one just awards a block of sMerit to the latest one. In this case, I think it is useful if the awarder makes a comment to justify the award ( as was done in this case). This avoids charges of merit abuse, and it also encourages newer members who actively support the forum in a productive way.

This has given me another idea. I might start a 'newbie of the month' award of 10 merits, but it sounds like a fair bit of work. I will also need to think of an acronym for the award " Star Poster Awarded Merits" doesn't seem to be ideal. Smiley

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July 28, 2018, 04:39:31 AM
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Following hilarious' comment that your posts are not absolute garbage, you are right, merits are generally given out based on the underlying content, not the effort put into one's post. The unfortunate reality is that people generally will give out merit (with many exceptions) to posts they are in agreement with, and will withhold merit on posts they disagree with.


I also think that this is the trend.  The Merit system becomes the "like" of Facebook in which one will easily give a merit to a certain post that he agrees with.  On the other hand, he will rarely give a merit to a post that has a different opinion compare to him.

I am seeing many newbies posting quality posts in Beginners and Help Section recently but they do not receive any single merit.

Is it just me or the Merit circulation slows down at some point (and continuously slowing/dying down)?
I fear that the merit system will lead to the echo chambers that make up Facebook and Reddit.

Something absolutely needs to be done to prevent farmers from creating massive numbers of accounts with shit posts, however I don’t think the merit system as implemented is the solution.

There was an “airdrop” of merit when the merit system was first implemented and much of the merit that will be spent from that has been spent.
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July 28, 2018, 08:17:20 AM
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This system has improved the whole forum,i have been here for months and i dont really do like interacting with users as i am more good in reading and applying my knowledge in trades.The forum 7months ago is far worst than it is today which is why i strongly agree that this merit system should be permanent it is indeed unfair to new users but it will only lessen the spam in this forum which is why i am one of those people who are happy with the outcome.
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July 28, 2018, 08:59:04 AM
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I have been writing meaningful and good quality posts since start of my journey on bitcointalk forum, but i have noticed that i have still not received appropriate number of merits. whereas some people are receiving merits for posting useless and meaningless posts because they have high position in the forum.
This is political nepotism Grin

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July 30, 2018, 03:08:12 AM
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I have been writing meaningful and good quality posts since start of my journey on bitcointalk forum, but i have noticed that i have still not received appropriate number of merits. whereas some people are receiving merits for posting useless and meaningless posts because they have high position in the forum. According to me merit system is a bit partial and changes must be made to it. Only devs and admins should have smerit and they should reward it to the people making appropriate posts. Please let me know your views below. No hard feelings for anyone  Smiley
Hey,
Months after the start day of merit system, you created the boring topic to ask whether the system should be existed or not.
Really?
Have you actually seen real effects of the system on forum?
Please tell me which kinds of effects you seen.

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July 30, 2018, 07:10:41 AM
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Yes , it's really hard to earn  merit. Not  just  posting quality post  here in btt but  I suggest  try  to create   helpful   article. I think  that is best way to earn merit and also sharing  Informative news.

I gave you a couple of merits under my cMerit project, and this will let you rank up. These are for a variety of your posts on the Bitcoin discssion board, unfortunately my visits there are very infrequent.

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July 30, 2018, 07:23:57 AM
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The new merit system might be unpopular to some, but I do believe this is the right thing to do in order to instill order in this forum. When you suddenly think "Why am I not getting too many merits?" then this is the start of your journey to better yourself and you're absolutely on the right track. Posting messages having this question in mind will make you think harder and will surely attempt to make meaningful posts worthy of merits.
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July 30, 2018, 09:40:07 AM
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It should exist for sure but the some improvement are needed in current form. For instance, there should be limits of max merits allowed per post to 5 or something like that.
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July 31, 2018, 07:05:41 AM
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Why the topic has not been locked or moved to other boards?
Such annoying topic should not appear in Meta board, especially more than 6 months after the start day of merit system.   Roll Eyes
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September 05, 2018, 09:32:20 PM
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Merit system supposed to be the best thing that has be introduce to this forum because it has really reduce the meaningless post. But with all due respect, the merit system never take it due process it seems as if merit is taken a dimension which I can't really explain. My opinion is that merit should be awarded by forum moderators to maintain the standard of forum rules.
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