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July 26, 2018, 05:15:39 AM
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This is a proposal to for the current ranking-up system.  This will work hand in hand with the current Merit System.

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RANK | ACTIVITY| MERIT  | ESTIMATED TIME TO RANK UP  | PROPOSED DEFAULT RANK UP  |
Newbie | 0 | 0 | 0 | N/A  
Jr. Member | 30 | 0 | 6 Weeks (1.5 months)| N/A
Member | 60 | 10 | 10 Weeks (2.5 months) | 50 Weeks (12.5 months)
Full Member | 120 | 100 | 18 Weeks (4.5 months) | 90 Weeks (22.5 months)
Sr. Member | 240 | 250 | 35 Weeks (8.25 months)| 175 Weeks (43.75 months)
Hero Member | 480 | 500 | 69 Weeks (17.25 months) | 345 Weeks (86.25 months)
Legendary | 775| 1000 | 111 Weeks (27.75 months)| 555 Weeks (138.75 months)

Aside from having a merit system, if one does not have enough merits to rank up but has been active in the forum for a certain period of time, then that someone will be permitted to rank up.  The amount of time needed to be active is shown on the table above.

Here are the list of the limitations/conditions to rank-up using this system:
  • The user must be active for the whole "default ranking up duration".  Being active means having a minimum of five (5) posts per month.
  • The user that ranked up because of "default ranking up system" will not be granted a merit.
    Example: You are a Member Rank having 25 merits and after being active for 50 weeks (the "default ranking up duration" for Member Rank), you get promoted to become a Full Member.  Your Merit will still be equal to 25 in spite of being promoted to Full Member.


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July 26, 2018, 05:56:37 AM
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Well I think this is a good proposal because the number of years in order to rank up is very reasonable. They will get bored to wait for 11 years in order to reach Legendary Rank. But the only thing I am concerned with is the creation of bulk account which can lead to shitposting to attain the minimum number of required activity and post every month to say that it is active. Then they will just going to wait until they reach the highest Rank without the effort to post some useful stuff and gain good reputation Huh
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July 26, 2018, 06:06:58 AM
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So you are suggesting that we must return the past ranking system and you just adjust the ranking time and at the same time. It will remove the true meaning of merit system.

I disagree with this. This will benefit also those users who are posting only social media reports and they are ones who contribue spam in this forum. Aside from them, those one liner spammers and the "Good Project" posters will benefit from this proposal which is not good for me.

Anyway, lets wait for higher ranks to give their opinion regarding your "proposal".

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July 26, 2018, 06:14:17 AM
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Aside from having a merit system, if one does not have enough merits to rank up but has been active in the forum for a certain period of time, then that someone will be permitted to rank up.
I don't support this at all.  What we now have is a sort of meritocracy, and you want to change it back to a welfare-state-ocracy, which has already been tried.  When all it takes is time and activity to rank up, you get the results that you see--spam, shitposting, and account farming.  Been there, done that.

If you've been here a year and haven't earned enough merits to rank up to Member, Full Member, whatever, then there's something wrong with YOU, not the system.  Making it easier for idiots to rank up isn't helping the forum; it's hurting it.  Very few senior members really care if it's a major inconvenience to noobs who can't rank up.  We're tired of spammers writing unintelligible garbage and collecting a paycheck for it.  The rank up period for such people should be infinity.

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July 26, 2018, 06:21:47 AM
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You seem to think it's a bad thing spammers can't rank up. It's not, it's exactly what the merit system was designed for.

So no.

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July 26, 2018, 06:39:49 AM
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Funny, you can have 100 accounts ranked up to Legendary after a few years. Your son then can use it to cheat bounty campaigns. Merit system has its flaws - being susceptible to abuse. Otherwise, it's pretty fair and straightforward.

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July 26, 2018, 07:24:36 AM
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This is a proposal to for the current ranking-up system.  This will work hand in hand with the current Merit System.

No it won't. It would completely reverse the Merit system and put it back to the way it was before. The whole idea is you have to earn your rank now and not just get it by spamming your way over a period of time.

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July 26, 2018, 10:11:12 AM
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Checked OP's post history; was not surprised to see it chock full of bounty reports.

Move along folks, nothing to see here...  Grin

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July 26, 2018, 10:23:05 AM
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If a person cannot obtain 1,000 merit within around 11 years, why do you think they should be upgraded to a Legendary member?

I personally think this is a terrible idea. I understand that the duration of time is extremely long, but it serves absolutely no benefit whatsoever, I'm not even sure why you could possibly think this was a good idea.

Name 3 benefits of your system over the current one? You're going to struggle to name even 1 really, other than giving the shitposters a chance to rank up after a decade.


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July 26, 2018, 10:48:00 AM
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You are simply promoting to the old game that we used to be. If you think this system works fine, you are incorrect. You'll just void the function of Merit System despite of a long period of time to rank up. It will worsen the cases of having multiple accounts that are used to cheat in bounties.

 
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July 26, 2018, 11:16:36 AM
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Current system of merit is good ,this system is successful in  curbing  the spam poster ,but there may be some chance of improvement (my opinion)

1.For member to senior member and above: quantity of post is good ,but merit requirement is very high (seeing the current merit transaction )
2.very high quality demand for merit giving,
3. Most of senior member ignore all the newbie,jr.member (due to most of them are very bad poster and doing only bounty)

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July 26, 2018, 11:31:03 AM
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Props to your concept, I actually appreciate it but I still see some cons regarding this so I think this would be not a really great idea (no offense sir).
  • The user must be active for the whole "default ranking up duration".  Being active means having a minimum of five (5) posts per month.
A member creating only five posts per month is not considered as active IMO. I think that was to easy to achieved (I'm not bragging), actually I can do that within a single day. For me, a real active user creates at least 50 quality posts per month.

Another, Presuming that your suggestion was implemented then who will check each member's post every month to make sure they're not just simply spamming? The mods? Well, seems impossible to happen due to large population of this forum Grin. [/list]

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July 26, 2018, 11:35:20 AM
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Well it seems that most of us here doesn't agree with the idea. Since it just goes back to the old ranking system but a longer period.

Therefore if this will be implemented the merit system becomes void. Mind that the whole purpose of having the merit system is to improve the quality of posting threads towards the forum not just by being active


Name 3 benefits of your system over the current one? You're going to struggle to name even 1 really, other than giving the shitposters a chance to rank up after a decade.

Well it depends if you are going to ask the benifits for the shitposters then OP can really name more than 3.  Tho in the part of the forum it self , as you have said we will just still go back to the old ways

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July 26, 2018, 12:59:50 PM
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I can see a bright spot in his proposal: loyalty to the forum. Most shitposters and spammers come here because of bounties. But ICOs is just a trend and will fall into decay soon. A great number of bounty hunters will leave the forum follow that. Besides, OP also stated out that this default ranking-up system co-exists with current Merit system. I don't think a shitposter is willing to wait 11 and a half years to become a Legend. If he does, his patient is worth it.
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This will work hand in hand with the current Merit System.

No, it won't.

Basically, your idea is to return to the old system and increase the required activity.
Which doesn't work!

I can see a bright spot in his proposal: loyalty to the forum.
I don't think a shitposter is willing to wait 11 and a half years to become a Legend. If he does, his patient is worth it.

A bot farming accounts has more patience than the entire forum  Wink

Funny, you can have 100 accounts ranked up to Legendary after a few years. Your son then can use it to cheat bounty campaigns. Merit system has its flaws - being susceptible to abuse. Otherwise, it's pretty fair and straightforward.

I can see this happening:
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Not agree. Bad idea. Instead of fairly use of smerit you are suggest rank up for spammers. According to you even a spammer will rank up after a estimated time. So people will joined will bounty with multiple account and rank up will be automatically. It's not fine. Why not motivate people to use smerit fairly ? Did you spend your smerit ? I have noticed you have 8 smerit and you had spend only 3 smerit lifetime history  Grin . Before advice others we should correction ourselves. Don't be selfish & don't let dry your smerit. Merit system was implement to build spam free forum. So don't try to go back on spammy idea.

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I can see a bright spot in his proposal: loyalty to the forum. Most shitposters and spammers come here because of bounties. But ICOs is just a trend and will fall into decay soon. A great number of bounty hunters will leave the forum follow that. Besides, OP also stated out that this default ranking-up system co-exists with current Merit system. I don't think a shitposter is willing to wait 11 and a half years to become a Legend. If he does, his patient is worth it.

ICOs will always be popular because there's a way for both the developers, and those participating to earn a mad amount of profit. Unfortunately, most of the popular projects aren't worthy of their hype. However, there's a few which are interesting. Often though these aren't the ones that are popular, and gain traction because they usually aren't promising free coins.

Besides, from a forum point of view they don't care about ranks, and no one has to wait until legendary to participate in most of them.

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From the comments above, I figure you can see that the proposal is rather pointless. It’s like telling someone at school to sit tight, don’t make an effort with your studies since you’ll eventually pass just by writing your name on the exam sheet, even if you don’t know any of the answers, and write some gibberish to fill the blanks.

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I can see a bright spot in his proposal: loyalty to the forum.
I don't think a shitposter is willing to wait 11 and a half years to become a Legend. If he does, his patient is worth it.
A bot farming accounts has more patience than the entire forum  Wink

If those bots can patiently work in years, then their owners should be awarded Nobel prize in economics for promoting computer usage, not to mention a Legendary badge. Like I said, bounty hunters will leave forum when the ICO trend is cooled down. ICOs trend boomed in late 2017 and has showed some signs of being cooled down. Do you think it can last till late 2019?

ICOs will always be popular because there's a way for both the developers

I don't think so, it's a trend and there're a lot of things which will make it break.

Besides, from a forum point of view they don't care about ranks, and no one has to wait until legendary to participate in most of them.

Agree that they don't care much about the rank but there're still a lot of ordinarry members out there (in local board for example) who hardly can rank up

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I can see a bright spot in his proposal: loyalty to the forum.
I don't think a shitposter is willing to wait 11 and a half years to become a Legend. If he does, his patient is worth it.
A bot farming accounts has more patience than the entire forum  Wink

If those bots can patiently work in years, then their owners should be awarded Nobel prize in economics for promoting computer usage, not to mention a Legendary badge. Like I said, bounty hunters will leave forum when the ICO trend is cooled down. ICOs trend boomed in late 2017 and has showed some signs of being cooled down. Do you think it can last till late 2019?

They should be awarded *****.

The merit system is working, and the waves of newbies that are popping out of nowhere already knowledgeable of the problems of the forum and how the forum works are proof enough  Grin

Please note that I'm not implying you're the alt of somebody created just to fish some merits around here...

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July 26, 2018, 05:47:48 PM
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Default Ranking-Up System is indeed a great idea according to me because there are many people on this forum that contribute good quality and constructive posts but aren't ranking up because they aren't receiving enough merit. Although i think that the proposed time for which a person should stay active in order to achieve certain rank is quite much. Surely 86.25 months and 138.75 months are way to much for a person to rank up by this system just because he didn't get enough merits and attention for his/her posts. This wouldn't limit shit posters and spammers anyways. Such ranking-up system must be made which will not only promote a member based on his hard work, dedication, knowledge and contribution on forum but will also limit the spammers and shit posters from ranking up.

Also, to rank up from newbie to jr. member atleast some number of merits must be kept. Doesn't matter even if it is one. This will limit spammers, multiple account users and shit posters from joining the signature and bounty campaigns from the start.

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July 26, 2018, 06:10:59 PM
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Default Ranking-Up System is indeed a great idea according to me because there are many people on this forum that contribute good quality and constructive posts but aren't ranking up because they aren't receiving enough merit.
The meritocracy is saying they've received enough.

I'm also failing to see how this proposal is any better than the current system.  You do realize that the merit system was introduced to make it much harder for shitposting idiots to rank up, right?  If you make it a function of just time, then we're right back where we started.  We can discuss this all day long, but I don't think Theymos is looking to go back to the way things were.

I also think many people here tend to think their posts are much better than they actually are.  Most posts nowadays are just broken-English garbage that no one wants to read, hence why you're seeing most users not getting any merit and not ranking up.  That's how the merit system is supposed to work.

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July 26, 2018, 06:21:18 PM
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From the comments above, I figure you can see that the proposal is rather pointless. It’s like telling someone at school to sit tight, don’t make an effort with your studies since you’ll eventually pass just by writing your name on the exam sheet, even if you don’t know any of the answers, and write some gibberish to fill the blanks.
And it doesn't make sense, it wont benefit us either as well as the forum itself. More spammers will eventually pop up like pimples in the face, then after being an Active Spammer they will become legendary because of that.
And THAT'S A BIG NO NO FOR YOU NIGGA (OP).
Your proposal is pointless. LOCK IT ALREADY.




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July 26, 2018, 06:26:01 PM
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The merit system really needs some sort of adjustments to make it more effective, but the suggestion above is a recipe for disaster. I recommend an <upvote>  option in addition to the merit system or as an option to the merit system for people to rank up.The merit system as it is now is more of a mafia clique arrangement an upvote addition or option will make it more of a community type system.

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July 26, 2018, 08:18:52 PM
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Default Ranking-Up System is indeed a great idea according to me because there are many people on this forum that contribute good quality and constructive posts but aren't ranking up because they aren't receiving enough merit. Although i think that the proposed time for which a person should stay active in order to achieve certain rank is quite much. Surely 86.25 months and 138.75 months are way to much for a person to rank up by this system just because he didn't get enough merits and attention for his/her posts. This wouldn't limit shit posters and spammers anyways. Such ranking-up system must be made which will not only promote a member based on his hard work, dedication, knowledge and contribution on forum but will also limit the spammers and shit posters from ranking up.

Also, to rank up from newbie to jr. member atleast some number of merits must be kept. Doesn't matter even if it is one. This will limit spammers, multiple account users and shit posters from joining the signature and bounty campaigns from the start.

This is a more realistic scenario. In my opinion, the major rank transitions that require a merit component is Newbie/Jr/Member and Full member. Once you've gotten past Full member, then the transition is less drastic, and merit is less problematic. Though, if you have made it to Sr. member under the new system, in time you'll eventually make it to Hero and beyond anyway, so there's no point changing anything.


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