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July 27, 2018, 07:21:14 PM
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SO I BEEN using Frotunejack for like 2 months now, and today for the first time i actually won few rounds in Roulette, so i decided to withdraw my btc,

then after 2 denials, i was told that i must play my deposit 2 x over in order to be able to make a withdrawal, i find this policy to be rediculas.

and there is no trace on when this policy was added

https://fortunejack.com/faq/terms_and_conditions

Wagering requirements apply before any deposit made on Member Account can be withdrawn. The deposit amount must be turned over 2 times before your withdrawal request will be approved. Wagering requirements can be met by playing on Slots, casino games and live games.

https://imgur.com/a/FN14SRm

https://www.legalgamblingandthelaw.com/worldwide-gambling-licensing-authorities/government-curacao

http://www.curacao-chamber.cw/services/registry/search-company does not return a valid result for the license number provided under 2nd paragraph in terms and conditions

was able to find by name

Tradename   Registration number   Official name   Businessaddress
Nexus Group Enterprises N.V.   139781   Nexus Group Enterprises N.V.   Heelsumstraat 51 E-Commerce Park

however the managing director of this company 139781 is another company called  Name   EMS Management Services N.V. Registration number official   141670 who's details are unavailable in the same system.

https://www.linkedin.com/company/nexus-group-enterprises/ and here is the crew.

more update. ASKGAMBLERS.COM is owned by them too. be aware Smiley
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July 27, 2018, 07:55:04 PM
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The wagering requirement on fortunejack was implemented last year. When the rule was added for the first time it was set to x5 then it was reduced to x2 because a lot of users complained. After some digging here are some of the old posts about the said wagering requirement from their official thread. Reaching the x2 rollover should be easy on FJ since they have dice.

About 5x wagering rule, it has been there for months already, it is not understandable why it is a problem now, all of a sudden when it was not from the beginning. 5x wagering requirement is not roguish or too high and will stay as our rule to protect FortuneJack of money laundering.

Thank you for your input everyone, wagering requirement will be lowered down to x2 soon and as soon as the change will be done all FortuneJack users will receive a notification through their FJ account messages.


  

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July 27, 2018, 08:15:02 PM
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thanks for your reply, i am unable to verify your affiliation or none affiliation to the NESUS group mentioned in my posts, therefore all i can do is that i have read and acknowledged your message. thank you.

UPDATE

looking at the site you operate, and the layout and legal terms written in your websites terms and condition i here by conclude you are part of the same group.
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I have moved the updated to this site to prevent spammy like behaviour in bitcointalk.org  http://fortunejack.dontplay.org/
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July 28, 2018, 12:22:36 AM
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These types of deposit agreements are necessary for Casinos to not be taken advantage of by free rolling users. When you make a deposit with a bonus you agree that you NEED to play a certain amount of money or spins, or whatever the agreement is, before you can withdraw the money. It's industry standard and you being mad at what you agreed to is pretty ridiculous. Good luck on your future gambling!
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July 28, 2018, 02:40:39 AM
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These types of deposit agreements are necessary for Casinos to not be taken advantage of by free rolling users. When you make a deposit with a bonus you agree that you NEED to play a certain amount of money or spins, or whatever the agreement is, before you can withdraw the money. It's industry standard and you being mad at what you agreed to is pretty ridiculous. Good luck on your future gambling!

The "industry standard" is actually more like 35X the deposited amount being rolled over on real money casino sites.

2X roll over is quite low. The only other "solution" a bitcoin casino could do is to remove the bonus amount added on your balance and give the portion of your deposited amount leftover. That's not "easy math" though, so the agreement has the 2X requirement.

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SO I BEEN using Frotunejack for like 2 months now, and today for the first time i actually won few rounds in Roulette, so i decided to withdraw my btc,

then after 2 denials, i was told that i must play my deposit 2 x over in order to be able to make a withdrawal, i find this policy to be rediculas.

and there is no trace on when this policy was added

https://fortunejack.com/faq/terms_and_conditions

Wagering requirements apply before any deposit made on Member Account can be withdrawn. The deposit amount must be turned over 2 times before your withdrawal request will be approved. Wagering requirements can be met by playing on Slots, casino games and live games.

https://imgur.com/a/FN14SRm

https://www.legalgamblingandthelaw.com/worldwide-gambling-licensing-authorities/government-curacao

http://www.curacao-chamber.cw/services/registry/search-company does not return a valid result for the license number provided under 2nd paragraph in terms and conditions

was able to find by name

Tradename   Registration number   Official name   Businessaddress
Nexus Group Enterprises N.V.   139781   Nexus Group Enterprises N.V.   Heelsumstraat 51 E-Commerce Park

however the managing director of this company 139781 is another company called  Name   EMS Management Services N.V. Registration number official   141670 who's details are unavailable in the same system.

https://www.linkedin.com/company/nexus-group-enterprises/ and here is the crew.

more update. ASKGAMBLERS.COM is owned by them too. be aware Smiley

It is an agreement implemented right before you joined the casino I think. So that rule to role your wagering to 2x is just low when it comes to casinos.

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July 28, 2018, 11:56:04 AM
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These types of deposit agreements are necessary for Casinos to not be taken advantage of by free rolling users. When you make a deposit with a bonus you agree that you NEED to play a certain amount of money or spins, or whatever the agreement is, before you can withdraw the money. It's industry standard and you being mad at what you agreed to is pretty ridiculous. Good luck on your future gambling!

The "industry standard" is actually more like 35X the deposited amount being rolled over on real money casino sites.

2X roll over is quite low. The only other "solution" a bitcoin casino could do is to remove the bonus amount added on your balance and give the portion of your deposited amount leftover. That's not "easy math" though, so the agreement has the 2X requirement.

THAT is NOT the industry standard! 30x wager amount on deposit is only the industry standard when achieving wager for bonus amounts (the typical deposit 1X and get 100% bonus or whatever bonus). FortuneJack has 40x wager on BONUS, as per their website: https://fortunejack.com/faq/bonus_tnc

"9. Unless otherwise stated in a bonus’ terms and conditions, the rollover requirement for the bonus will be 40x."

The industry standard for DEPOSIT is 0 wagering amount. If you deposit ACTUAL funds, it is your every right to withdraw it whenever you want, including profits you won gambling with YOUR funds at risk.

So anyone who has a wagering on deposit is infinitely above the industry standard. Every bitcoin casino I know has 0 wager requirements. FortuneJack has 2x. That's ridiculous.

But OP, you should have read all their terms first. It is specified there.

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July 28, 2018, 12:24:03 PM
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These types of deposit agreements are necessary for Casinos to not be taken advantage of by free rolling users. When you make a deposit with a bonus you agree that you NEED to play a certain amount of money or spins, or whatever the agreement is, before you can withdraw the money. It's industry standard and you being mad at what you agreed to is pretty ridiculous. Good luck on your future gambling!

The "industry standard" is actually more like 35X the deposited amount being rolled over on real money casino sites.

2X roll over is quite low. The only other "solution" a bitcoin casino could do is to remove the bonus amount added on your balance and give the portion of your deposited amount leftover. That's not "easy math" though, so the agreement has the 2X requirement.

Come on man, what standard you are talking about? You are talking about deposit bonus while OP is not even taking any bonuses.
IMO 2x rollover on any deposits made by player is not that low, it may makes players lose all his balance after winning some amount when he has not completed the rollover. Indeed FJ has this rule and it is clearly stated on their terms page and if someone complaining about it after making deposit then it is not FJ's fault IMO as registered players has accepted the terms on registration process.
For me, 2x rollover for deposit without bonus is not a standard thing in gambling industry. There are many other gambling sites let the players to withdraw without such terms.

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July 28, 2018, 03:42:30 PM
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These types of deposit agreements are necessary for Casinos to not be taken advantage of by free rolling users. When you make a deposit with a bonus you agree that you NEED to play a certain amount of money or spins, or whatever the agreement is, before you can withdraw the money. It's industry standard and you being mad at what you agreed to is pretty ridiculous. Good luck on your future gambling!

The "industry standard" is actually more like 35X the deposited amount being rolled over on real money casino sites.

2X roll over is quite low. The only other "solution" a bitcoin casino could do is to remove the bonus amount added on your balance and give the portion of your deposited amount leftover. That's not "easy math" though, so the agreement has the 2X requirement.

Come on man, what standard you are talking about? You are talking about deposit bonus while OP is not even taking any bonuses.
IMO 2x rollover on any deposits made by player is not that low, it may makes players lose all his balance after winning some amount when he has not completed the rollover. Indeed FJ has this rule and it is clearly stated on their terms page and if someone complaining about it after making deposit then it is not FJ's fault IMO as registered players has accepted the terms on registration process.
For me, 2x rollover for deposit without bonus is not a standard thing in gambling industry. There are many other gambling sites let the players to withdraw without such terms.

Yeah, that was the point I made above... it seems this forum has so many users in the gambling section but not many people actually gamble a lot and just say things they don't know.

OP's right to complain that the 2x wager amount is ridiculous. But OP is totally at fault here for not reading the terms (yes it's there).

But at the same time, this thread is eye opening. It shows so many gamblers don't even understand what is industry standard, and don't even know the casinos they're discussing. I only consider myself a very amateur gambler and this is what is apparent to me.

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July 28, 2018, 04:32:17 PM
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These types of deposit agreements are necessary for Casinos to not be taken advantage of by free rolling users. When you make a deposit with a bonus you agree that you NEED to play a certain amount of money or spins, or whatever the agreement is, before you can withdraw the money. It's industry standard and you being mad at what you agreed to is pretty ridiculous. Good luck on your future gambling!

The "industry standard" is actually more like 35X the deposited amount being rolled over on real money casino sites.

2X roll over is quite low. The only other "solution" a bitcoin casino could do is to remove the bonus amount added on your balance and give the portion of your deposited amount leftover. That's not "easy math" though, so the agreement has the 2X requirement.

this is a different case,it is not about a rollover for free or deposit bonuses
it is true that most of the casinos have a 35x-40x++ bonus rollover requirement
at fortunejack you have to wager any of your deposit twice over before you can withdraw
they introduced it to prevent money laundering as they say,since many people would deposit coins
then withdraw only paying a small withdrawal fee,using the site as a free mixer
although I struggle to recall any other crypto casino that has same draconian rollover requirements on your deposits

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July 29, 2018, 01:07:42 AM
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Fortunejack is on the Curacao licensing scam casinos list!

How do you conclude that askgamblers.com is owned by Nexus Group Enterprises N.V.?

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July 29, 2018, 04:34:59 AM
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These types of deposit agreements are necessary for Casinos to not be taken advantage of by free rolling users. When you make a deposit with a bonus you agree that you NEED to play a certain amount of money or spins, or whatever the agreement is, before you can withdraw the money. It's industry standard and you being mad at what you agreed to is pretty ridiculous. Good luck on your future gambling!

The "industry standard" is actually more like 35X the deposited amount being rolled over on real money casino sites.

2X roll over is quite low. The only other "solution" a bitcoin casino could do is to remove the bonus amount added on your balance and give the portion of your deposited amount leftover. That's not "easy math" though, so the agreement has the 2X requirement.

Come on man, what standard you are talking about? You are talking about deposit bonus while OP is not even taking any bonuses.
IMO 2x rollover on any deposits made by player is not that low, it may makes players lose all his balance after winning some amount when he has not completed the rollover. Indeed FJ has this rule and it is clearly stated on their terms page and if someone complaining about it after making deposit then it is not FJ's fault IMO as registered players has accepted the terms on registration process.
For me, 2x rollover for deposit without bonus is not a standard thing in gambling industry. There are many other gambling sites let the players to withdraw without such terms.

Yeah, that was the point I made above... it seems this forum has so many users in the gambling section but not many people actually gamble a lot and just say things they don't know.

OP's right to complain that the 2x wager amount is ridiculous. But OP is totally at fault here for not reading the terms (yes it's there).

But at the same time, this thread is eye opening. It shows so many gamblers don't even understand what is industry standard, and don't even know the casinos they're discussing. I only consider myself a very amateur gambler and this is what is apparent to me.

Calm down. The "industry standard" remark was an off the cuff remark to the post above mine:

These types of deposit agreements are necessary for Casinos to not be taken advantage of by free rolling users. When you make a deposit with a bonus you agree that you NEED to play a certain amount of money or spins, or whatever the agreement is, before you can withdraw the money. It's industry standard and you being mad at what you agreed to is pretty ridiculous. Good luck on your future gambling!

Because I couldnt understand from his OP whether he actually took a bonus or not...

It isn't hard to tell OP just wants another thread that shows up like all of these https://www.google.com/search?q=fortunejack+scam

The threads he could have read before depositing on the casino that has 2X rollover requirement.


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The wagering requirement on fortunejack was implemented last year. When the rule was added for the first time it was set to x5 then it was reduced to x2 because a lot of users complained. After some digging here are some of the old posts about the said wagering requirement from their official thread. Reaching the x2 rollover should be easy on FJ since they have dice.

About 5x wagering rule, it has been there for months already, it is not understandable why it is a problem now, all of a sudden when it was not from the beginning. 5x wagering requirement is not roguish or too high and will stay as our rule to protect FortuneJack of money laundering.

Thank you for your input everyone, wagering requirement will be lowered down to x2 soon and as soon as the change will be done all FortuneJack users will receive a notification through their FJ account messages.
 

In order to avoid more these kind of issues, FJ should pop up this wagering requirement message whenever user click deposit button and once they click OK means they are agreed to that condition. If they implement this change then no players will complain otherwise most of the players will not read all terms before they start playing on any of the gambling sites.

I'm not sure whether they have already done this or not because for quite some time I didn't deposit money over there.
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In order to avoid more these kind of issues, FJ should pop up this wagering requirement message whenever user click deposit button and once they click OK means they are agreed to that condition. If they implement this change then no players will complain otherwise most of the players will not read all terms before they start playing on any of the gambling sites.

I'm not sure whether they have already done this or not because for quite some time I didn't deposit money over there.

Correct. Look, every site can make the rules they want, that is their prerogative. This is fine. There is no law to say they must be fair. Consumers have the right to choose.

So Fortunejack, don't take this personally, but to avoid this problem, make it very very clear when players deposit, there is a huge pop up or even when they register. That they must wager 2 x. And make a counter to show, how much left they have to wager before they can deposit.

I also don't know if this is already the case, but it appears from this repeated complaints, people are not clear about this unusual rule.

Calm down. The "industry standard" remark was an off the cuff remark to the post above mine:

Sorry, I didn't mean to single you out. I'm just annoyed by the spam in gambling threads from people who don't read the exact OP and understand the issue before commenting unhelpful "tips". OP wasn't talking about any bonus and people randomly inserted bonus requirements into the thread, taking it off topic.

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In order to avoid more these kind of issues, FJ should pop up this wagering requirement message whenever user click deposit button and once they click OK means they are agreed to that condition. If they implement this change then no players will complain otherwise most of the players will not read all terms before they start playing on any of the gambling sites.

I'm not sure whether they have already done this or not because for quite some time I didn't deposit money over there.

Correct. Look, every site can make the rules they want, that is their prerogative. This is fine. There is no law to say they must be fair. Consumers have the right to choose.
Great brain wash story! Cheesy And your brain was story is even paid by BitDice!!!

But the reality is that laws stand above private terms and conditions and if such are not in accordance with the laws they are not valid!

However, If BitDice pays people to post brain wash stories, then I know I have to avoid this casino at any cost! Wink

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SKAM???
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It would be nice for a FJ rep to chime in with an explanation. 
Some very serious accusations going on in here,
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I have seen this casino advertised around the forum so they are doing a good job at that.
I tried to join the signature campaigns but was not selected  Embarrassed
I haven't seen anything that classifies this casino as a scam.
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I have seen this casino advertised around the forum so they are doing a good job at that.
I tried to join the signature campaigns but was not selected  Embarrassed
I haven't seen anything that classifies this casino as a scam.
As a shill of the publicly proven Bitcasino scam and Sportsbet scam you are of course not able to see embezzlement as a criminal offense and being on the Curacao licensing scam operators list is also irrelevant from your point of you.

The only relevant part from your point of view is that the victims believe your brain wash nonsense! Cheesy

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I have seen this casino advertised around the forum so they are doing a good job at that.
I tried to join the signature campaigns but was not selected  Embarrassed
I haven't seen anything that classifies this casino as a scam.
As a shill of the publicly proven Bitcasino scam and Sportsbet scam you are of course not able to see embezzlement as a criminal offense and being on the Curacao licensing scam operators list is also irrelevant from your point of you.

The only relevant part from your point of view is that the victims believe your brain wash nonsense! Cheesy

I have seen your comments for quite a while but it seems every of the sites that something is complained about is always on your list as a scam site. It then makes me wonder, which sites is not on your scam list from Curacao? Is it only Curacao that can license a gambling site? Are there no other country that can issue license to operate online gambling services? I am not an advocate of FortuneJack but there is need to put things in perspective because its seems virtually all the sites that operates and enjoy reasonable client base from the community here is on that list.

SO I BEEN using Frotunejack for like 2 months now, and today for the first time i actually won few rounds in Roulette, so i decided to withdraw my btc,

then after 2 denials, i was told that i must play my deposit 2 x over in order to be able to make a withdrawal, i find this policy to be rediculas.

and there is no trace on when this policy was added

https://fortunejack.com/faq/terms_and_conditions

Wagering requirements apply before any deposit made on Member Account can be withdrawn. The deposit amount must be turned over 2 times before your withdrawal request will be approved. Wagering requirements can be met by playing on Slots, casino games and live games.

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https://www.legalgamblingandthelaw.com/worldwide-gambling-licensing-authorities/government-curacao

http://www.curacao-chamber.cw/services/registry/search-company does not return a valid result for the license number provided under 2nd paragraph in terms and conditions

was able to find by name

Tradename   Registration number   Official name   Businessaddress
Nexus Group Enterprises N.V.   139781   Nexus Group Enterprises N.V.   Heelsumstraat 51 E-Commerce Park

however the managing director of this company 139781 is another company called  Name   EMS Management Services N.V. Registration number official   141670 who's details are unavailable in the same system.

https://www.linkedin.com/company/nexus-group-enterprises/ and here is the crew.

more update. ASKGAMBLERS.COM is owned by them too. be aware Smiley

I see this as a clear case of misunderstanding and not enough to conclude that the site is scam. Several issues have will happen between service providers and customers but most times its resolved peacefully. For Op I think its a matter of terms and conditions and if they have violated it themselves, they should be reached to provide the explanation for that. I dont think a site like FortuneJack would want to ridicule their reputation because of this.




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Just want to throw out there that a 2-3x wagering requirement on deposits (purely deposited funds, NOT any bonuses) is pretty common for sites like FortuneJack (I know BitStarz does the same thing as well).  When I asked BitStarz about it, they said it was to prevent/mitigate people from just using their site as a money laundering service.  In other words, they don't want people to deposit only to make 1-2 rolls/bets and withdraw in order to use their site as a means of attempting to obfuscate coins that were used for illegal services, stolen, etc..

I haven't played on FJ in quite a while, but when I did (~2+ years ago for a 1-2 year period), I never had any issues with them.

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A x2 rollover requirement is actually pretty good from what i've seen. Is this the lowest around at the moment?
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Just want to throw out there that a 2-3x wagering requirement on deposits (purely deposited funds, NOT any bonuses) is pretty common for sites like FortuneJack (I know BitStarz does the same thing as well).  When I asked BitStarz about it, they said it was to prevent/mitigate people from just using their site as a money laundering service.  In other words, they don't want people to deposit only to make 1-2 rolls/bets and withdraw in order to use their site as a means of attempting to obfuscate coins that were used for illegal services, stolen, etc..

I haven't played on FJ in quite a while, but when I did (~2+ years ago for a 1-2 year period), I never had any issues with them.
People do really miss out these informations about wagering requirement and they do only complain when they do already experiencing such problem. Not only Fortunejack do have these terms but all of gambling sites as well due to the same reason. They dont really like for them to be used up as a possible medium for those depositors who just deposit and take out the money for sole purpose either for just mixing up the coins or to launder money,as simple as that.

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Anyone entertaining this thread with anything other than a quote from or a link to the terms of FortuneJack are basically just spamming, probably for their sig campaign. Stop.

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August 01, 2018, 12:16:38 AM
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First thing, OP may be misunderstanding about their rollover terms here. Usually site that need us to complete their rollover is because players use their bonuses which mean in the end only less players that will be complete it. But on FJ, they do have that 2 rollovers, one is from their bonus and second one is the first deposit account, because they care that their site will be used as medium for mixing address like milewilda said. The reason is because they do not let player use any fee to withdraw, so you should know it by now

I believe it is not that hard to make a 2x rollover, and this is not a big issue. How much do you win actually, and why you can't even complete the wagering?

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September 18, 2018, 06:13:56 PM
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FORTUNEJACK mostely Fucking website.... I know
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September 18, 2018, 06:19:45 PM
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Just want to throw out there that a 2-3x wagering requirement on deposits (purely deposited funds, NOT any bonuses) is pretty common for sites like FortuneJack (I know BitStarz does the same thing as well).  When I asked BitStarz about it, they said it was to prevent/mitigate people from just using their site as a money laundering service.  In other words, they don't want people to deposit only to make 1-2 rolls/bets and withdraw in order to use their site as a means of attempting to obfuscate coins that were used for illegal services, stolen, etc..

I haven't played on FJ in quite a while, but when I did (~2+ years ago for a 1-2 year period), I never had any issues with them.

yeah I have never had problems using FJ and I have been on there for the last few years.

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