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[Eric2013]

Hey guys!

Our team here represents you the new generation game for BTC/ LTC/ DOGE betting!

http://game-btc.com/hash/baccarat/
 
U guys could be doubtful that how could our game be the new generation game, please kindly check our explanations,

As you all know, the dice site generates the server and client seeds in its own server. Each time player rolls, the server and client seeds are combined with the number of rolls the player has made since the seeds were selected to create the roll. And the player are shown the hash of server seed before picking the client seed. In this part, yes it ensures that no way the site could influence the numbers rolled by the player. Its provably fair for the player.

However, for the bank/investment its not safe at all coz the site owner could easily cheat and make it looks like someone got lucky. And this is happening all the time for some of the dice sites. Honestly its hard to say no to easy money..

We realized that the dice game is the first generation BTC games, and we decide to do our best for the new generation games, and now the most fair Baccarat game presents to you guys:

Every 2 minutes, we send a DOGE transaction using the DRAW No. as the sending amount. (i.e. for DRAW No. 1409170093, the sending amount would be 14.09170093 DOGE.) AND we use the transaction hash as the draw result.
As the transaction hash is generated by the DOGE network, and everyone could easily check for this transaction once the DOGECOIN is sent. And it is absolutely provably fair, NOT ONLY for the players, BUT ALSO for the investors! There is no way that the site owner could steal any COINS from the investment any more!
The DOGE addresses we are using for sending and receiving areDGXvUUCSEiNFyqbgzxSNMsGez7NiYZpxf7andDN4tsEgYyJEGBLiSHKcsaExdTyU8YYBu3o. Transactions from other addresses wont be taken as the DRAW result.

PLEASE CHECK BELOW FOR OUR RULES OF THE TRANSACTION HASH FOR BACCARAT:
Transaction hash is a random string consist of 64 hexadecimal values, we take the first 6 values which are less than 13 (namely ‘0 to 9’ and ‘a to c’) as the DRAW result, value 0 stands for A, value 1 stands for 2, value 2 stands for 3……value 9 stands for 10, letter a stands for J, letter b stands for Q and letter c stands for K.
Meanwhile, the suits for these 6 values depend on their position in the transaction hash. Position 0 stands for spade ♠, 1 stands for heart ♥, 2 stands for club ♣, and 3 stands for diamond ♦ continuously.
For example, transaction hash d16eabb51ba2b26a26a173ac0e5339d9f346b9120af1a350f6f96980a1a20553, the first 6 values (value is less than 13) chosen are 1, 6, a, b, b and 5, which stands for 2, 7, J, Q, Q and 6, with the corresponding suits：♥ ♣ ♠ ♥ ♣ ♦， therefore the final DRAW result is ♥2 ♣7 ♠J ♥Q ♣Q ♦6. And gives Player ♥2 ♠J ♣Q against Banker ♣7 ♥Q, Banker wins!

In order to make sure all the bets won’t be changed or revised, we are using MD5 (Message Digest Algorithm) for each DRAW bet and it will be broadcasting immediately in this page.
MD5 Generation rules:player ID+ Currency +Betting target +Betting amount.
For the current DRAW, this information will be changed whenever someone bets, but for the finished DRAW, the MD5 would be fixed.

With the test run for almost 1 month and half,  game-btc.com is now online.

- Fast Deposits (1 confirmation needed for all coins)
- Automatic Withdraws (cash yourself out at any point)
- 2 factor authentication (works with Google Authenticator)
- Baccarat online
- Promotions (Please check in the site!)
- Roulette （coming soon）

As always, we want to hear from you! New features are being developed each and every day and your feedback will help us continue to make the game-btc YOU want.
We provide support on the forum (Reply to this post or pm us!) Additionally, you can contact us on email (game-btc@hotmail.com) or on QQ group no. 369106946 .  

1000 DOGE giveaway to try our site for the first 1000 replies in this subject.

Please reply with your Game-btc ID, username and also the DOGE deposit address!

Doge will be sent into your account ASAP.

Thanks and good luck!

Eric

The Game-Btc team

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[Eric2013]

The reason we used DOGE network for every transaction is that the transaction fee for DOGE network is much lower than BTC network, as you know, there would be 720 transactions everyday, which means there would be 0.0001BTC multiplied by 720 equal to 0.072BTC for everyday! and for a month that would be 2.16 Btc if we use BTC network.

[Eric2013]

We also have the Weekly rewards for the top 10 players for total bets and net profit, come and enjoy GAME-BTC.COM!

[dooglus]

Every 2 minutes, we send a DOGE transaction using the DRAW No. as the sending amount. (i.e. for DRAW No. 1409170093, the sending amount would be 14.09170093 DOGE.) AND we use the transaction hash as the draw result.
As the transaction hash is generated by the DOGE network, and everyone could easily check for this transaction once the DOGECOIN is sent. And it is absolutely provably fair, NOT ONLY for the players, BUT ALSO for the investors! There is no way that the site owner could steal any COINS from the investment any more!

I'm not sure if you are serious. You pick the transaction ID, not the network, and so this is wide open to cheating.

Please do a little research before "improving" on provable fairness.

[Eric2013]

Every 2 minutes, we send a DOGE transaction using the DRAW No. as the sending amount. (i.e. for DRAW No. 1409170093, the sending amount would be 14.09170093 DOGE.) AND we use the transaction hash as the draw result.
As the transaction hash is generated by the DOGE network, and everyone could easily check for this transaction once the DOGECOIN is sent. And it is absolutely provably fair, NOT ONLY for the players, BUT ALSO for the investors! There is no way that the site owner could steal any COINS from the investment any more!

I'm not sure if you are serious. You pick the transaction ID, not the network, and so this is wide open to cheating.

Please do a little research before "improving" on provable fairness.

Hi Dooglus, good day to you and thanks for your question.

Could you please kindly do a little research on our rules before you judge our project?

Firstly, we never 'pick' the transaction ID by ourselves, we are using the transation ID that we made b/w 2 doge addresses every 2 mins. You could easily find out the transation ID immediately once the transation is done, and its shown in 'DRAW' tab.
Secondly, we are using the DRAW No. as the sending amount to make sure every draw is unique and its the only transaction we made every 2 mins.

Look forward to hearing from you soon.

thanks mate and please don't judge our site that fast coz our team did put some hard work on it and its proven to be workable.

Eric

The Game-Btc Team

[dooglus]

Could you please kindly do a little research on our rules before you judge our project?

Really? Are you sure you want to do this? It doesn't end well for you.

[Eric2013]

Could you please kindly do a little research on our rules before you judge our project?

Really? Are you sure you want to do this? It doesn't end well for you.

Dooglus, please kindly sign up and advise your doge address to us. Give it a try before u judge us.

Thanks mate and your suggestion would be very important to us.

[dooglus]

Could you please kindly do a little research on our rules before you judge our project?

Really? Are you sure you want to do this? It doesn't end well for you.

Dooglus, please kindly sign up and advise your doge address to us. Give it a try before u judge us.

Thanks mate and your suggestion would be very important to us.

I signed up.

The box that asks for my username and password used black on black for the input fields. I could only see what I was typing by selecting it.

DepositDOGECOIN, please send to below address:
DM92TJT6wpt5GSdk1SknED46F5sqvX35og

[Eric2013]

Could you please kindly do a little research on our rules before you judge our project?

Really? Are you sure you want to do this? It doesn't end well for you.

Dooglus, please kindly sign up and advise your doge address to us. Give it a try before u judge us.

Thanks mate and your suggestion would be very important to us.

I signed up.

The box that asks for my username and password used black on black for the input fields. I could only see what I was typing by selecting it.

DepositDOGECOIN, please send to below address:
DM92TJT6wpt5GSdk1SknED46F5sqvX35og

Hi, Dooglus,  for the sign in box, we will improve it soon.

We credit 100k DOGE in your account. Thanks and have fun.

Your feedback would be much appreciated!

[kaykawa]

hi do you want i  test your site?
try how to play and what　thoughts tell you?

[dooglus]

We credit 100k DOGE in your account. Thanks and have fun.

Your feedback would be much appreciated!

Hi Eric.

Thanks for the DOGE.

I don't think it changes the fundamental problem with your site.

Do I have this right?

1) players have around 2 minutes to place their bets
2) you send an amount of DOGE to yourself, where the amount is based on the round number
3) the transaction ID completely determines the deal, and so completely determines who wins and loses

If so, here's the problem:

"the transaction hash is generated by the DOGE network"

The problem with that line is that it is false.

I can place some bets on your site, and you can make me win or lose them as you like. I don't see how that would help me change my mind about the fact that your site is NOT provably fair for players or investors, and that in fact you can decide exactly what cards everyone gets every hand.

If you don't believe me, let's play a game.

I'll send you 100k DOGE to an address of your choice. If the transaction ID begins with 888 (that's a 1-in-4096 chance), you send me 2000 times as much back. That's over a 50% house edge for you, only paying out 2000x for a 1-in-4096 shot. Let's hope "the DOGE network" is kind to me when it picks my transaction ID!

[dooglus]

I just tried placing a bet.

The dialog that pops up asking me how much to bet has the same issue as the signup box - all the input elements are black-on-black for me. I expect you're specifying the background colour, but not the foreground colour (or vice versa). I can see what I've typed if I hit control-A (select all) but then it doesn't fit into the box provided, because you're putting .00000000 on the end.

When I try to submit the bet, it tells me I'm too late, even though there's still lots of time left.

So in short the site is very hard to use due to bad colour selection, if you work through that by selecting the invisible text placing bets doesn't work, and even if it did it wouldn't be fair at all because the bet results are determined by transaction IDs that you yourself create.

Here are some screenshots of my attempts to play:

1) I've entered my bet size but you can't see it:



2) I submit it, but it doesn't work:



3) When I 'select all', I can see some of my bet amount, but not all:



Edit: Check the text in those screenshots. One of those 'player' words should be 'dealer'?

[mumi22]

Username:mumi22
Doge deposit:DMLpVcaGHzp73PJTAKK5ZJaxpEMxw2kJYJ
Thanks a lot
Best Regards Mumi22

[dooglus]

I tried changing the color from #333 to #f33 so I could see what I was typing.

Before submitting a bet:



The error:



After failing to submit a bet (note it's still the same deal, and there's still time left):

[Eric2013]

We credit 100k DOGE in your account. Thanks and have fun.

Your feedback would be much appreciated!

Hi Eric.

Thanks for the DOGE.

I don't think it changes the fundamental problem with your site.

Do I have this right?

1) players have around 2 minutes to place their bets
2) you send an amount of DOGE to yourself, where the amount is based on the round number
3) the transaction ID completely determines the deal, and so completely determines who wins and loses

If so, here's the problem:

"the transaction hash is generated by the DOGE network"

The problem with that line is that it is false.

I can place some bets on your site, and you can make me win or lose them as you like. I don't see how that would help me change my mind about the fact that your site is NOT provably fair for players or investors, and that in fact you can decide exactly what cards everyone gets every hand.

If you don't believe me, let's play a game.

I'll send you 100k DOGE to an address of your choice. If the transaction ID begins with 888 (that's a 1-in-4096 chance), you send me 2000 times as much back. That's over a 50% house edge for you, only paying out 2000x for a 1-in-4096 shot. Let's hope "the DOGE network" is kind to me when it picks my transaction ID!

Good day Dooglus,

About your questions,

1) players have around 2 minutes to place their bets                  YES
2) you send an amount of DOGE to yourself, where the amount is based on the round number            YES
3) the transaction ID completely determines the deal, and so completely determines who wins and loses     YES

AND ALSO WE KNOW THE FACT THAT If a person wants to create a transaction hash that starts with (or ends with) a particular set of characters, then they can generate a transaction without broadcasting it and see if it starts (or ends) the way they want it to.  If it doesn't, then they can discard the transaction, and create a new slightly different transaction to see if it starts (or ends) the way they want it to.  They can repeat this process until they get a transaction ID that they like, and broadcast that transaction to the network. 

Dooglus, you should realise that we send transaction every 2 mins via our doge wallet automaticly, no matter if there are any bets. and every draw result is coming out within 10 sec after the betting time ends. Lets say even we could 'choose' a transaction ID, but the time  for us to repeat the process of above  actions is  far more inadequate. Our wallet sends a doge transaction within 5 seconds after the betting time closed, and the draw result comes out in the next 5 second.
About your game, could you possible to send me the transaction ID begins with 888 within 5 seconds after we advise you to send?... If yes, we will have to reconsider  our project.

Many thanks Dooglus and hope to hear from you soon,

Eric

The Game-Btc team

[Eric2013]

I just tried placing a bet.

The dialog that pops up asking me how much to bet has the same issue as the signup box - all the input elements are black-on-black for me. I expect you're specifying the background colour, but not the foreground colour (or vice versa). I can see what I've typed if I hit control-A (select all) but then it doesn't fit into the box provided, because you're putting .00000000 on the end.

When I try to submit the bet, it tells me I'm too late, even though there's still lots of time left.

So in short the site is very hard to use due to bad colour selection, if you work through that by selecting the invisible text placing bets doesn't work, and even if it did it wouldn't be fair at all because the bet results are determined by transaction IDs that you yourself create.

Here are some screenshots of my attempts to play:

1) I've entered my bet size but you can't see it:



2) I submit it, but it doesn't work:



3) When I 'select all', I can see some of my bet amount, but not all:



Edit: Check the text in those screenshots. One of those 'player' words should be 'dealer'

Our Tec team is already on it, will update a new version within today, thanks dooglus!

[dooglus]

WE KNOW THE FACT THAT If a person wants to create a transaction hash that starts with (or ends with) a particular set of characters, then they can generate a transaction without broadcasting it and see if it starts (or ends) the way they want it to.  If it doesn't, then they can discard the transaction, and create a new slightly different transaction to see if it starts (or ends) the way they want it to.

OK, that's all we need.

You just admitted that you know that your game isn't provably fair for players or for investors. All we need to do now is figure out how hard it would be for you to cheat.

The house edge is around 1 to 2% for baccarat, right? So if you make just two transactions and broadcast the one which gives you the bigger profit, you'll be doing much better than expected. I tried making a transaction that starts with 888 earlier. On average it will take 4096 attempts to do. I did it using bitcoind's RPC interface, calling it from a shell script and checking the output with command line tools like 'cut' and 'grep'. The first time I tried, it took 80 seconds to find a suitable transaction. I'm able to generate and test around 20 transactions per second on a single core of this cheap laptop.

Dooglus, you should realise that we send transaction every 2 mins via our doge wallet automaticly, no matter if there are any bets. and every draw result is coming out within 10 sec after the betting time ends. Lets say even we could 'choose' a transaction ID, but the time  for us to repeat the process of above  actions is  far more inadequate. Our wallet sends a doge transaction within 5 seconds after the betting time closed, and the draw result comes out in the next 5 second.

So you 'only' have 5 seconds to cheat? I could generate 100 transactions in that time, which would allow me almost guarantee that any large bet on your site lost.

About your game, could you possible to send me the transaction ID begins with 888 within 5 seconds after we advise you to send?... If yes, we will have to reconsider  our project.

I would be happy to play the game I proposed if I had 5 seconds to prepare my transaction, yes. I couldn't guarantee to win every time, but if we played a few times I'm sure I would win. I only need to generate 4 or 5 transactions in those 5 seconds to expect to break even and I think I could do 20 times better than that. I think my edge over you would be huge.

The important point is that the game wouldn't be at all fair, and I would be dishonest if I claimed it was. Especially after someone explained to me why it wasn't fair.

I guess what bothers me about this is your claim to be "next generation", "provably fair for investors", etc. when in fact you've taken a big step backwards. Whether you're actually cheating or not isn't that point (probably you're not). The point is that you could be and we wouldn't be able to tell. That's the problem that provable fairness solves, and your game doesn't solve.

[mumi22]

Username:mumi22
Doge:DMLpVcaGHzp73PJTAKK5ZJaxpEMxw2kJYJ

Thanks a lot
Best Regards MUmi22