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February 21, 2014, 03:30:49 AM
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2014/02/20/nvidia-is-about-to-steal-the-cryptocurrency-mining-crown-from-amd/?partner=yahootix

What are the miners thoughts on this?

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February 21, 2014, 03:48:47 AM
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Very interesting. I'm interested to see how the high end maxwell cards run. Hopefully their additional supply will drive gpu prices down to where they belong.
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February 21, 2014, 06:03:56 AM
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Too late though isn't it? What with scrypt asics doing 3Mh/s while consuming less than 100W.

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February 21, 2014, 06:34:18 AM
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Too late though isn't it? What with scrypt asics doing 3Mh/s while consuming less than 100W.
Not really.

1) GPU != scrypt. People with scrypt ASICs are stuck with scrypt PoW, GPU miners are not.
2) Scrypt ASICs doing 3 Mh/s cost ~$2500 upfront, and they are not "in hand".
3) Power usage per se does not matter up to a point, what matters is it's cost. 100W is interesting to who pays $0.3 per KW/h, way less to who pays just $0.05
4) GPUs still have resale value after 1 year, or one can actually keep 2 or 3 for a gaming PC


 
 
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February 21, 2014, 08:49:52 AM
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Too late though isn't it? What with scrypt asics doing 3Mh/s while consuming less than 100W.
Not really.

1) GPU != scrypt. People with scrypt ASICs are stuck with scrypt PoW, GPU miners are not.
2) Scrypt ASICs doing 3 Mh/s cost ~$2500 upfront, and they are not "in hand".
3) Power usage per se does not matter up to a point, what matters is it's cost. 100W is interesting to who pays $0.3 per KW/h, way less to who pays just $0.05
4) GPUs still have resale value after 1 year, or one can actually keep 2 or 3 for a gaming PC

1) I'll give you that.

2) They are in hand and shipping and no one is getting GPUs on credit either. Also do the math and you'll see that a 3Mh/s GPU rig is going to cost about the same.

3) Most people don't pay $0.05. In most parts of the world it is at least $0.15. If you do the math you'll find that power usage matters.

4) Not everyone's a gamer. The lower power usage of ASICs means that they will be profitable for longer. A year easily.

The scrypt asics we see now are just the start. 3-6 months down the road GPUs will become uncompetitive as far as scrypt hashing goes.

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February 21, 2014, 01:08:19 PM
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Will an asic mine vert coin, panda, etc?
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February 21, 2014, 01:13:20 PM
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This is huge! really huge.

I'd like to see performance of future maxwell highend cards though...
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February 21, 2014, 02:27:41 PM
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Too late though isn't it? What with scrypt asics doing 3Mh/s while consuming less than 100W.
Not really.

1) GPU != scrypt. People with scrypt ASICs are stuck with scrypt PoW, GPU miners are not.
2) Scrypt ASICs doing 3 Mh/s cost ~$2500 upfront, and they are not "in hand".
3) Power usage per se does not matter up to a point, what matters is it's cost. 100W is interesting to who pays $0.3 per KW/h, way less to who pays just $0.05
4) GPUs still have resale value after 1 year, or one can actually keep 2 or 3 for a gaming PC
You forgot warranty. The supposed Hashra unit have a 90 day warranty, and a company with no feedback or reliability stats. 90days up and you're left with a $3000 paperweight. Where GPU manus are at least 2 years worth of warranty and a reputable name.

I also think a ton of these will start failing because they are clearly trying to capitalize as fast as possible so QA will be shit.
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February 21, 2014, 03:15:38 PM
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Very interesting! Cant wait to get my hands on some and build a test rig!
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February 21, 2014, 03:24:08 PM
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I am not going to pay $150+ for a card that doesn't even break 300khs.

Performance / watt matters, but it definitely isn't the end-all.




Also, just a small rant:  When will people understand that the first generation (or even second) of scrypt asics will be completely bought out / reserved by the whales/farmers/group buy-ins?  

Your average solo small-time miner will not be getting a scrypt ASIC any time soon even if they are "available" and "out on the market."
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February 21, 2014, 07:14:11 PM
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Too late though isn't it? What with scrypt asics doing 3Mh/s while consuming less than 100W.
Not really.

1) GPU != scrypt. People with scrypt ASICs are stuck with scrypt PoW, GPU miners are not.
2) Scrypt ASICs doing 3 Mh/s cost ~$2500 upfront, and they are not "in hand".
3) Power usage per se does not matter up to a point, what matters is it's cost. 100W is interesting to who pays $0.3 per KW/h, way less to who pays just $0.05
4) GPUs still have resale value after 1 year, or one can actually keep 2 or 3 for a gaming PC

1) I'll give you that.

2) They are in hand and shipping and no one is getting GPUs on credit either. Also do the math and you'll see that a 3Mh/s GPU rig is going to cost about the same.

3) Most people don't pay $0.05. In most parts of the world it is at least $0.15. If you do the math you'll find that power usage matters.

4) Not everyone's a gamer. The lower power usage of ASICs means that they will be profitable for longer. A year easily.

The scrypt asics we see now are just the start. 3-6 months down the road GPUs will become uncompetitive as far as scrypt hashing goes.
You are just counter-arguing for the sake of it! Your reply is basically saying that SOME people are not interested in the videocard for mining. However, it is the other way around. When you assert that is too late because of ASICs, it is YOU that have the burden of proof to show that NOBODY is interested on the 750Ti for mining (and perhaps what comes next, e.g., GTX860, GTX870, GTX880 Ti, Titan 2 or whatever)



 
 
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February 27, 2014, 05:48:26 PM
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Will an asic mine vert coin, panda, etc?

no, that's why they suck big balls

gpu forever, you we see it when maxwell high end graphic will be released,  probably 150 watt per 800 mega hash, that's would be pretty damn good for a vga

I am not going to pay $150+ for a card that doesn't even break 300khs.

Performance / watt matters, but it definitely isn't the end-all.




Also, just a small rant:  When will people understand that the first generation (or even second) of scrypt asics will be completely bought out / reserved by the whales/farmers/group buy-ins?  

Your average solo small-time miner will not be getting a scrypt ASIC any time soon even if they are "available" and "out on the market."

yesh those 750 ti are not good for density(you need multiple rig for the same hash, compared to amd) but high end maxwell is another thing, i'm waiting for that beasts to come out

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February 27, 2014, 05:56:44 PM
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At best, its less shitty.

Still uber shit. but a little less.

Not even worth using yet.
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March 25, 2014, 04:57:51 PM
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2) They are in hand and shipping and no one is getting GPUs on credit either. Also do the math and you'll see that a 3Mh/s GPU rig is going to cost about the same.

Cool story bro. 

My under-volted, under-clocked 6 x r9 270 rig (@2.8kh/s) costs  less than $1400, (no where close to $2500) consumes less than 900 watts of power, is rock solid stable for days, and I can resell the GPU's in a year for 70% of their initial value. Try selling year old asics crap for 70% of its value. Asics hardware = trash after a year.

Go push your asic script mining sales pitch elsewhere.

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