Campaign Management Gone Wrong (Bitcasino.io)

[WaffleMaster]

"All it takes for evil to win is for good men to watch and do nothing."

I'll get your attention with this, but this gets pretty lengthy so please read through it all thoroughly.



He is scamming me for $840 now.  7 weeks = $840 in potential money from the campaign he agreed to reinlist me in. He seems to think that me being scammed to 18 posts instead of 25 and me saying I'll give him 24 hours to resolve it or post the scam accusation is blackmail. I thought that was being nice instead of posting it immediately (because I was being scammed like 0.0042 BTC). Then he scammed me potential earnings of the campaign after agreeing to make everything right from his error.






To start off, I am not necessarily opening a scam accusation for being kicked out of the campaign (even though it was in error of the campaign manager).

What happened::
The campaign managers miss-counted daily posts and kicked me out of the campaign, shorting my payment as well. Then he proceeded to try and do a cover up by extorting the money that I am owed if I did not delete posts.

Scammers Profile Link:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=137185

Reference Link:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4794752.msg43253496#msg43253496

Amount Scammed:
Campaign would have totaled $960. Actual amount was .0108 - .015 so 0.0042 for first week of campaign

Payment Method:
Bitcoin

Proof of Payment:
Not yet sent I don't think. He's extorting me now.

PM/Chat Logs:
All of his PMS Pictures https://imgur.com/a/4bbfcCJ

All of my PMS Pictures https://imgur.com/a/5lpND7Q

In the Bitcasino Signature thread, I have asked you to submit a new BTC deposit address (not a Bitcasino.io address).

Please post the new address in the official thread.

I will need this from you today if you would like to be paid and remain in the Campaign.

Thanks

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Nice of you to absolutely blow this out of proportion, even though you are in the wrong.

I can remove anyone from my Campaign for whatever reason I choose; I don't even have to explain why.

For your case, you made 12 posts in a 24 hour span, which is AGAINST THE RULES.  Maybe had you read them, you wouldn't be in the place you are now.

So stop with all the immature drama, these Campaigns help participants pay bills.  And I will be forced to stop offering Signature Campaigns if this childish nonsense from you doesn't end intimidate.

Then to make matters worse for you, you send me a PM threatening me that you will report me ( Cry) if I don't pay you what you're owed.

You're lucky that I'm even CONSIDERING sending you .0108 because on top of not following the rules, you are attempting to slander myself and Sportsbet.

My Campaigns with Sportsbet have paid out thousands of dollars to participants in the past few months ALONE.

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I made a mistake.

Please delete all of your negative posts, and I'll get ya paid today.

My apologies.

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Yes, Amends

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You need to delete all of the last posts you made.

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Please do it NOW

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If your posts aren't gone in the next 5 minutes, you won't be getting any payment.
And you can file as many "scam reports" as you'd like.

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You'll get your payment.  That was my mistake.
But you won't be participating anymore in my Campaigns.

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Excuse me, but you're getting what you wanted.   Payment for 25 posts.

So now because I'm removing you from my Campaign (even after being fully paid), you're going back on your word and re-opening something that I already admitted I was wrong.  

Trust me bro I can report you for extortion and threats just as easily as you can.

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You're just upset that I booted you from the Campaign.
You're too much of a jerk to ever be allowed in my Campaigns again.
I can also rest assure you that I have many friends on here who manage campaigns, and they will all see your work.

You are a big drama queen.

I don't think I even should have to pay you, and your threads of reporting me don't worry me at all.

If I were to pay you, you'd repost your shit and cry foul.

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Now mine: I will order these to be read as they were sent later.

Ok I put in a new address on the thread.

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Why was I removed from the campaign?

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Btctalk name: WaffleMaster
Rank: Hero
Bitcasino.io BTC Wallet Address: 38sLeBE2MCgAVtvByf5YXHDuWyf1NRKRHw
Wear Appropriate Signature: yes
Wear Personal Text: Yes
Wear Avatar:  Yes

Accepted!

Unfortunately, WaffleMaster has to be removed from the Signature Campaign.

You have given no reason of why I'm being removed. I replied to your PM of needing a new address within hours. You only credit me with 18 posts for the week? My last post was:

Different websites have different variables and elements that need to be loaded into the program. So it's pretty reasonable to assume that it won't work very well or at all for other websites. You'll likely need separate programs for that.

Which is in the time frame, and perhaps I miss counted and only have 24 posts for the week 24-31 July 3AM EST. But to only credit 18 is a big mistake by you and verifiable as false by looking at my post history. If I'm kicked out of the campaign for not meeting the deadline by 1 post because I confused the UTC time of the forums with EST that's fine. Waiting for your response.

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I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you just made a mistake in not paying me appropriately, and then removing me from the campaign in error because you believe I only have 18 posts instead of the.

You will have 24 hours to respond and correct the error or a scam accusation will be opened up on your name and campaign for shorting me payment.

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I'm just writing to let you know I may be frustrated that I was kicked out because of your miss-count of my posts, but I am willing to make amends, delete everything and continue as normal should everything be made right. I participated exactly as stated in the rules.

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The campaign ends in EST time. The forum shows my posts daily are not exceeding 8. IF you do not recognize forum time for counting posts daily like everybody else, it should be stated in the rules. Your rules do not state otherwise. Since you have now formally responded, threatening to not even pay what you think I am owed (reality is 25 posts) I am forced to open a scam accusation against you for shorting me.

These will be included, along with extremely more detailed information.

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Ok, thank you for understanding.

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Yep all gone. I was archiving them and had twice as many to go through as you.

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Ok I'm reopening them to further warn people of your campaign practices.

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I'm just writing to let you know I may be frustrated that I was kicked out because of your miss-count of my posts, but I am willing to make amends, delete everything and continue as normal should everything be made right. I participated exactly as stated in the rules.

Everything is not made right, you are continuing to discharge me even after acknowledging your error. And now you threaten false reports. Unbelievable to be honest. Good thing these are archived and 100% proof.

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And by the way it's not extortion, you wanted me to delete everything because you agreed to make everything all right. And then you proceeded to go back on your word. So now there's also that. Quite a predicament you've created for yourself with the initial error and now all these threats, lies and going back on your word.

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If your posts aren't gone in the next 5 minutes, you won't be getting any payment.
And you can file as many "scam reports" as you'd like.

YOU EXTORTED ME FOR SERVICES I ALREADY RENDERED

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If that's how you feel. I'm afraid now with your extortion and intimidation of holding funds I can't keep quiet about this and must post it. I have done nothing wrong, you've made all the errors and extortion. I simply wanted things to go back to normal.

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Additional Notes:
This is despicable and I am shocked that something like this has happened to me. I just wanted everything to go back to normal after he acknowledged the mistake and we were making amends and everything will be made right. But now look as he is going back on the agreement made.

PS: Oh and about me thinking I had 24 posts, it was because I did subtraction from 30-6 to get 24. When I individually counted there was 25 posts in the time frame specified by the rules.

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[yahoo62278]

The campaign manager has the right to toss you out if he feels you are not contributing the way they want you to. I looked at your history and looks to me like you followed all the rules though. No more then 8 posts a day and more then the amount of characters needed.

Only argument he has is quality and that's his decision there.

I do see your last 6 replies are duplicate replies though and a bannable offense according to the forum rules. Maybe be a man and take his decision as final word and stop being a baby over it.

**EDIT**

Looks like you deleted the duplicate replies

[WaffleMaster]

The campaign manager has the right to toss you out if he feels you are not contributing the way they want you to. I looked at your history and looks to me like you followed all the rules though. No more then 8 posts a day and more then the amount of characters needed.

Only argument he has is quality and that's his decision there.

I do see your last 6 replies are duplicate replies though and a bannable offense according to the forum rules. Maybe be a man and take his decision as final word and stop being a baby over it.

**EDIT**

Looks like you deleted the duplicate replies

He was duplicating on every post, I simply had to respond to his duplication. I would have gone back and edited every post to be unique. He requested me to delete all of them as we were making amends. That was another lie of his. Reposting soon so people know of his campaign practices. He's admitted fault to me so.

As stated in other posts, which may not have been in this one because I DO go back and make things non duplicate, or construct them non duplicate if I have time. "To start off, I am not necessarily opening a scam accusation for being kicked out of the campaign (even though it was in error of the campaign manager)."

[jeremypwr]

The campaign manager has the right to toss you out if he feels you are not contributing the way they want you to. I looked at your history and looks to me like you followed all the rules though. No more then 8 posts a day and more then the amount of characters needed.

Only argument he has is quality and that's his decision there.

I do see your last 6 replies are duplicate replies though and a bannable offense according to the forum rules. Maybe be a man and take his decision as final word and stop being a baby over it.

**EDIT**

Looks like you deleted the duplicate replies

Thank you Yahoo-

I made a mistake, and he started going psycho posting.

Once I admitted to making a mistake (doesn't happen very often), I told him he would be fully paid.

He then said he would close his false accusations (false since they were rightfully solved).

So now, I want to toss him for not only acting up, but because it's my Campaign and I can drop who I want without having to waste my time explaining it.

Now, he is blackmailing me and saying that if I drop him from my Campaign, he will re-post all his false accusations.  

This man is an extortionist and needs to be negative trusted.  

He is only making it more difficult on other participants because I will be canceling my Campaigns soon on account of his actions.

How can someone fill out a "scam accusation" when they were fully paid for their work?

[WaffleMaster]

Stop spreading lies, you're the one extorting me.

[jeremypwr]

First I sent this message:





What are you even trying to accomplish, other than being let back into my Campaign (which you can forget)?

[WaffleMaster]

First I sent this message:





What are you even trying to accomplish, other than being let back into my Campaign (which you can forget)?

I'm quoting the entire private messages now. People will see it all and they can decide themselves. Your extortion still stands as valid.

[jeremypwr]

I'm done with you.

Even if I pay you, you will continue to attack me and attempt to tarnish my reputation.

You need to accept that fact that you are a difficult person to deal with and need to learn how to handle situations differently.

You can't blackmail me into allowing you to stay in my Signature Campaign.

[WaffleMaster]

It's not blackmail or extortion like you threatening and withholding funds you agreed to send. It's not reputation tarnishing when all I'm doing is posting what you've said to me and what I've said to you. Everything, uncensored. I don't understand your attacks against me after we agreed to make everything right per my "amends possible" agreement. You made a mistake, acknowledged it, and were going to make everything right again but then went back on your word. I can't, in good conscience, accept anymore offers from you and need to display what you've done to me.


Scam accusation opened. I will repost this thread as I have it archived in text form.



https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4795083.msg43258013#msg43258013

[jeremypwr]

You can't string me along as you think you can.

I agreed to the "amends" and told you to delete the FUD within 5 minutes so I could submit your name on the spreadsheet.

Which you did, and I added you.

Then you threatened me with "re-opening scam accusations" if I dropped you from my Campaign.

You have absolutely nothing to be bitching about and I have absolutely zero obligation to acknowledge you or pay you.

[WaffleMaster]

You can't string me along as you think you can.

I agreed to the "amends" and told you to delete the FUD within 5 minutes so I could submit your name on the spreadsheet.

Which you did, and I added you.

Then you threatened me with "re-opening scam accusations" if I dropped you from my Campaign.

You have absolutely nothing to be bitching about and I have absolutely zero obligation to acknowledge you or pay you.

Here are all my and your private messages, uncensored. Pictures of them coming soon, but here's all the text quoted. Let me know if you find anything regarding me as threatening. And no you didn't add me back, as you stated in the PMs. You can stop now, it's all out there.

In the Bitcasino Signature thread, I have asked you to submit a new BTC deposit address (not a Bitcasino.io address).

Please post the new address in the official thread.

I will need this from you today if you would like to be paid and remain in the Campaign.

Thanks

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Nice of you to absolutely blow this out of proportion, even though you are in the wrong.

I can remove anyone from my Campaign for whatever reason I choose; I don't even have to explain why.

For your case, you made 12 posts in a 24 hour span, which is AGAINST THE RULES.  Maybe had you read them, you wouldn't be in the place you are now.

So stop with all the immature drama, these Campaigns help participants pay bills.  And I will be forced to stop offering Signature Campaigns if this childish nonsense from you doesn't end intimidate.

Then to make matters worse for you, you send me a PM threatening me that you will report me ( Cry) if I don't pay you what you're owed.

You're lucky that I'm even CONSIDERING sending you .0108 because on top of not following the rules, you are attempting to slander myself and Sportsbet.

My Campaigns with Sportsbet have paid out thousands of dollars to participants in the past few months ALONE.

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I made a mistake.

Please delete all of your negative posts, and I'll get ya paid today.

My apologies.

================================

Yes, Amends

=========================

You need to delete all of the last posts you made.

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Please do it NOW

==============================

If your posts aren't gone in the next 5 minutes, you won't be getting any payment.
And you can file as many "scam reports" as you'd like.

=================================

You'll get your payment.  That was my mistake.
But you won't be participating anymore in my Campaigns.

====================================

Excuse me, but you're getting what you wanted.   Payment for 25 posts.

So now because I'm removing you from my Campaign (even after being fully paid), you're going back on your word and re-opening something that I already admitted I was wrong.  

Trust me bro I can report you for extortion and threats just as easily as you can.

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You're just upset that I booted you from the Campaign.
You're too much of a jerk to ever be allowed in my Campaigns again.
I can also rest assure you that I have many friends on here who manage campaigns, and they will all see your work.

You are a big drama queen.

I don't think I even should have to pay you, and your threads of reporting me don't worry me at all.

If I were to pay you, you'd repost your shit and cry foul.

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My outbox

Ok I put in a new address on the thread.

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Why was I removed from the campaign?

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Btctalk name: WaffleMaster
Rank: Hero
Bitcasino.io BTC Wallet Address: 38sLeBE2MCgAVtvByf5YXHDuWyf1NRKRHw
Wear Appropriate Signature: yes
Wear Personal Text: Yes
Wear Avatar:  Yes

Accepted!

Unfortunately, WaffleMaster has to be removed from the Signature Campaign.

You have given no reason of why I'm being removed. I replied to your PM of needing a new address within hours. You only credit me with 18 posts for the week? My last post was:

Different websites have different variables and elements that need to be loaded into the program. So it's pretty reasonable to assume that it won't work very well or at all for other websites. You'll likely need separate programs for that.

Which is in the time frame, and perhaps I miss counted and only have 24 posts for the week 24-31 July 3AM EST. But to only credit 18 is a big mistake by you and verifiable as false by looking at my post history. If I'm kicked out of the campaign for not meeting the deadline by 1 post because I confused the UTC time of the forums with EST that's fine. Waiting for your response.

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I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you just made a mistake in not paying me appropriately, and then removing me from the campaign in error because you believe I only have 18 posts instead of the.

You will have 24 hours to respond and correct the error or a scam accusation will be opened up on your name and campaign for shorting me payment.

============================

I'm just writing to let you know I may be frustrated that I was kicked out because of your miss-count of my posts, but I am willing to make amends, delete everything and continue as normal should everything be made right. I participated exactly as stated in the rules.

=================================

The campaign ends in EST time. The forum shows my posts daily are not exceeding 8. IF you do not recognize forum time for counting posts daily like everybody else, it should be stated in the rules. Your rules do not state otherwise. Since you have now formally responded, threatening to not even pay what you think I am owed (reality is 25 posts) I am forced to open a scam accusation against you for shorting me.

These will be included, along with extremely more detailed information.

=====================================

Ok, thank you for understanding.

==================================

Yep all gone. I was archiving them and had twice as many to go through as you.

==========================================

Ok I'm reopening them to further warn people of your campaign practices.

============================================

I'm just writing to let you know I may be frustrated that I was kicked out because of your miss-count of my posts, but I am willing to make amends, delete everything and continue as normal should everything be made right. I participated exactly as stated in the rules.

Everything is not made right, you are continuing to discharge me even after acknowledging your error. And now you threaten false reports. Unbelievable to be honest. Good thing these are archived and 100% proof.

============================================

And by the way it's not extortion, you wanted me to delete everything because you agreed to make everything all right. And then you proceeded to go back on your word. So now there's also that. Quite a predicament you've created for yourself with the initial error and now all these threats, lies and going back on your word.

=====================================

If your posts aren't gone in the next 5 minutes, you won't be getting any payment.
And you can file as many "scam reports" as you'd like.

YOU EXTORTED ME FOR SERVICES I ALREADY RENDERED

=================================

If that's how you feel. I'm afraid now with your extortion and intimidation of holding funds I can't keep quiet about this and must post it. I have done nothing wrong, you've made all the errors and extortion. I simply wanted things to go back to normal.

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[WaffleMaster]

Quote from: jeremypwr on Today at 06:55:05 AM
You'll get your payment.  That was my mistake.
But you won't be participating anymore in my Campaigns.

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Quote from: WaffleMaster on Today at 06:55:52 AM
Ok I'm reopening them to further warn people of your campaign practices.

End quotes.

So as you can see he is misrepresenting the facts yet again to try and save his reputation after agreeing to something he did not follow through with (The "amends"), scamming me.

(pictures will be uploaded shortly, there's a lot of messages)

[jeremypwr]

Quote from: jeremypwr on Today at 06:55:05 AM
You'll get your payment.  That was my mistake.
But you won't be participating anymore in my Campaigns.

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Quote from: WaffleMaster on Today at 06:55:52 AM
Ok I'm reopening them to further warn people of your campaign practices.

End quotes.

So as you can see he is misrepresenting the facts yet again to try and save his reputation after agreeing to something he did not follow through with (The "amends"), scamming me.

(pictures will be uploaded shortly, there's a lot of messages)

I have an impeccable Campaign Management reputation on here. 
What are you "warning people of my campaign practices?"
The fact that I made a mistake counting, and admitted it and wanted to pay you before you started acting up?
Enjoy yourself!

[WaffleMaster]

Quote from: jeremypwr on Today at 06:55:05 AM
You'll get your payment.  That was my mistake.
But you won't be participating anymore in my Campaigns.

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Quote from: WaffleMaster on Today at 06:55:52 AM
Ok I'm reopening them to further warn people of your campaign practices.

End quotes.

So as you can see he is misrepresenting the facts yet again to try and save his reputation after agreeing to something he did not follow through with (The "amends"), scamming me.

(pictures will be uploaded shortly, there's a lot of messages)

I have an impeccable Campaign Management reputation on here.  
What are you "warning people of my campaign practices?"
The fact that I made a mistake counting, and admitted it and wanted to pay you before you started acting up?
Enjoy yourself!

No, you HAD an impeccable Campaign Management reputation before you started extorting me for payment you said you were already sending.

And I'm warning people so that this can never happen to a person ever again. YOU made the mistakes, YOU agreed to make everything right, and YOU scammed me when you decided not to agree to what you put in writing.

[jeremypwr]

You are getting paid you big baby,

Get over it,   Go find another Campaign to join; you aren't welcome in mine

[jeremypwr]

I'm not going to follow you around this forum and respond to each and every repetitive post you make.

I have a life, a nice one at that, and you have a fanatic day.

Enjoy your payment!

[yahoo62278]

You are getting paid you big baby,

Get over it,   Go find another Campaign to join; you aren't welcome in mine

I chose this post to quote for a reason. You admitted you made a mistake(shit happens, we all do from time to time), you agreed to pay him after admitting the mistake. You have the right to remove him so instead of you 2 sending basic blackmails back and forth, pay the dude and be done with it.

If he wishes to post an accusation if you remove him, then so be it. You need thicker skin if you're going to be a manager on here. Look at all of the long time managers trust pages, or scam busters pages. We get all sorts of bs retaliatory feedback from users who get butthurt.

If they want to leave you neg trust or make a scam accusation, you DO NOT handle it in PM saying remove your posts or no pay. You tell them post away and you defend yourself. As long as you have done nothing wrong, you're in the right.

Might want to be a little more professional too rather then call him a baby. I said be a man and stop acting like a baby baby because i'm not the manager of his campaign lol. I should probably not have said that but that's how it looked to me

[WaffleMaster]

You are getting paid you big baby,

Get over it,   Go find another Campaign to join; you aren't welcome in mine

I chose this post to quote for a reason. You admitted you made a mistake(shit happens, we all do from time to time), you agreed to pay him after admitting the mistake. You have the right to remove him so instead of you 2 sending basic blackmails back and forth, pay the dude and be done with it.

If he wishes to post an accusation if you remove him, then so be it. You need thicker skin if you're going to be a manager on here. Look at all of the long time managers trust pages, or scam busters pages. We get all sorts of bs retaliatory feedback from users who get butthurt.

If they want to leave you neg trust or make a scam accusation, you DO NOT handle it in PM saying remove your posts or no pay. You tell them post away and you defend yourself. As long as you have done nothing wrong, you're in the right.

Might want to be a little more professional too rather then call him a baby. I said be a man and stop acting like a baby baby because i'm not the manager of his campaign lol. I should probably not have said that but that's how it looked to me

All pictures of his PMs. He is staking things out of context after he extorted my payment: https://imgur.com/a/4bbfcCJ

All pictures of my PMs. https://imgur.com/a/5lpND7Q


My hope that he is just making a mistake. Also, offering a way forward to just return to normal.


Him agreeing to all of the above.



Yahoo I'm wondering why you're taking the side of him after I have picture proof of him extorting and threatening my payment he already agreed to? And also scamming me out of another agreement?

I deleted my posts to meet to the amends. Then he extorted me after already agreeing? Then he agreed to pay me already after I said I knew I needed to post this behavior because it is against the rules and downright unethical and immoral. You ok Yahoo?

[jeremypwr]

You are getting paid you big baby,

Get over it,   Go find another Campaign to join; you aren't welcome in mine

I chose this post to quote for a reason. You admitted you made a mistake(shit happens, we all do from time to time), you agreed to pay him after admitting the mistake. You have the right to remove him so instead of you 2 sending basic blackmails back and forth, pay the dude and be done with it.

If he wishes to post an accusation if you remove him, then so be it. You need thicker skin if you're going to be a manager on here. Look at all of the long time managers trust pages, or scam busters pages. We get all sorts of bs retaliatory feedback from users who get butthurt.

If they want to leave you neg trust or make a scam accusation, you DO NOT handle it in PM saying remove your posts or no pay. You tell them post away and you defend yourself. As long as you have done nothing wrong, you're in the right.

Might want to be a little more professional too rather then call him a baby. I said be a man and stop acting like a baby baby because i'm not the manager of his campaign lol. I should probably not have said that but that's how it looked to me

Good looking out.

This guy is attempting to ruin my reputation, when he is in fact getting paid for his work!

So, the only reason he has to be acting up like this (still) is because I removed him from my Campaign.

I called him a "big baby" because out of all the Campaign participants I've dealt with, only he has acted like a big baby.

He's getting his money, what else does he want?

 

[yahoo62278]

I am taking nobodies side here. You're both in the wrong for sending blackmailing pms to each other. I'm just giving him advice as to how to better handle the situation. It's not like you're an angel here bud. You are sending him threats as much as he is you.

Act like adults