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October 13, 2011, 04:17:38 AM
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October 13, 2011, 04:47:46 AM
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Took me 3 tries to parse that and I'm still not sure I got it right.

When I read the OP I was all like, "Wait, Bruce Wagner... As in the potential scammer Bruce Wagner?  That'll go over well once they google him some."

I could barely believe it myself.

Once again the Something Awful goons are talking about doing what Bitcoin people should be doing.  They are chatting about handing out flyers about Bold Funding if Bruce is there acting as a feeder for the next series of scams.

As things evolve I feel more and more that that a majority of people simply should not play around with Bitcoin at all, and those who do should meet first with some raw and un-cut warnings about what they are getting into.

My mock-up of a Bitcoin introduction site for something like the 'operationbitcoin.org - ows campaign' started out with the flat out statement to 'trust nobody...not even us.'  Then went on to describe the various options for dealing with addresses/keys/wallets.  If I were to do it again, I would follow up the statement with a case-study of 'MyBitCoin and the OnlyOneTV feeder project' as an optional link at least.


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October 13, 2011, 05:35:32 AM
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It really just blows my mind that anyone could think sending a guy who used financial trickery to scam people out of their homes for a living was the logical choice for a Bitcoin representative at Occupy Wall Street.
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October 13, 2011, 06:35:38 AM
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It really just blows my mind that anyone could think sending a guy who used financial trickery to scam people out of their homes for a living was the logical choice for a Bitcoin representative at Occupy Wall Street.

Some people are happy if they can simply Occupy Their House without a shark scamming them out of the title.

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October 14, 2011, 10:26:52 PM
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It really just blows my mind that anyone could think sending a guy who used financial trickery to scam people out of their homes for a living was the logical choice for a Bitcoin representative at Occupy Wall Street.

Some people are happy if they can simply Occupy Their House without a shark scamming them out of the title.

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And this particular challenge is not going too well for a lot of people I know.

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October 20, 2011, 04:10:32 PM
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I had the opportunity to go to #occupysandigo to hand out bitcoin info.  I would like to report what I found, what I did, and I want to give advice on how to promote bitcoin in your city.

I am not sure about some of the other occupyxxx events but in San Diego there were a lot of liberals, hippies, students, smokers, etc.  Sorry if I had to classify you but that was the feel of occupysandiego when I was there.  These people are there to protest and they had signs ready to go on a planned march.

When I approached these people handing out bitcoin cards some were friendly, some where hostile to the concept of bitcoin, and others were wondering who was "in charge".  I such cases I had to explain to them no one was really in charge of bitcoin.  I asked them if they heard of bittorrent and some knew while others didn't.  It can be somewhat intimidating to approach these people to promote bitcoin because they will think you are a salesman and they will say they are "not interested".

I think an easier approach (instead of walking around handing out cards and explaining it to people) is to set up a table with a big sign saying "bitcoin" and some catchy slogan.  That way people will see the sign and the table and you are more likely to get people who want to learn what you are doing.  For me, I am not a salesman so this approach, I think, works better for me.  I particularly don't like rejection when I am doing this on a volunteer basis.

I like Bruce Wagner's idea of setting up classes for bitcoin.  I think setting up a table and also promoting these classes would be really good for bitcoin.  If I had the time and space to do this I would have Bitcoin classes once a week in my city for people who are interested.

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November 04, 2011, 12:45:04 PM
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I have been going to occupy melbourne for the past 2 weeks. Im going to take a card table and maybe organise some flyers focusing on australian bitcoiners. If anyone wants to provide some flyers or network on how we can go about introducing bitcoin Id like to hear it.

Im thinking of doing what jimbobway suggested which is simply setup a card table with a  bitcoin sign and chat to people/hand out info as they approach.

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November 04, 2011, 12:54:04 PM
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I have been going to occupy melbourne for the past 2 weeks. Im going to take a card table and maybe organise some flyers focusing on australian bitcoiners. If anyone wants to provide some flyers or network on how we can go about introducing bitcoin Id like to hear it.

Im thinking of doing what jimbobway suggested which is simply setup a card table with a  bitcoin sign and chat to people/hand out info as they approach.

+1 ack, good idea, i will try it this way with the Madrid protesters

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November 04, 2011, 04:01:20 PM
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I think there are a few really critical mistakes to avoid, at any rate:

1. No one speaks for the whole community. Certainly not Bruce Wagner.

2. Keep it simple and NON-TECHNICAL. The idea that you need a class taught by a con artist to learn how to use some new form of money will immediately turn off for anybody with half a brain. You don't need to know anything about wallet encryption, QCodes, hash rates, mining, trading, deflation, or how to avoid scam sites. Just get Bitcoins into peoples' hands to use as currency peer to peer on your iphone.

Things to keep in mind:

* One guy actually using it is more important a thousand people picking up a flyer and throwing it away.

* Hearing about it from your friend, or getting some from your friend, is a net positive. Hearing about it first from a scam artist is a massive fail.

* Circulation of the currency is everything to the uptake. Not trading, not education. Circulation and diffusion.

* The only things new people need to know about Bitcoin right up front are that
1/ we're promoting it for one reason only: No government or corporation can control it.
2/ The banks and financial institutions are afraid of it. It's a currency for the people.
3/ It's anonymous and untraceable like cash.
4/ You can store it on your phone.
5/ Be careful who you give it to. Like cash, you can't get it back.

* There's nothing wrong with MultiBit or BitcoinApp. Startup time needs to be FAST under these conditions. The learning curve needs to be shallow.

* Everyone who understands hash rates or mining already knows about Bitcoin and has an opinion about it. They haven't, so far, been excellent stewards of the currency. NO CLASSES.

* Why not set up a stand where people can drop off canned food and warm clothes and get paid a small amount of BTC, and other people can then buy things for a small BTC or USD donation?

Get a coin or two into the hands of a few hundred people at each event; also, give them something to buy with it. You'll see it start to get traded beyond the original group who had it.

Say NO to seminars, and NO to scam artists like Wagner. And support legitimate businesses who follow the law, but use Bitcoin to subvert corporate controls (like us).

Use BitcoinsForChristmas.com to send coins to anyone you know who's going to a protest. It's a good way to get them up and running FAST. That's is the whole point of the site; to cut through the technical babble and get the blood pumping through this economy. The key here is critical mass, and this is a critical time for reaching it.

I'm not trying to obscure the fact that we have a vested interest in getting that circulation going. But the reason WHY we have that interest is because Bitcoin's interests are our own. The cost of the requisite banking and holds to set up a casino that takes Visa/Mastercard are roughly $250k at a bare minimum; including $50k held indefinitely by the card companies, another $100k to lawyers and crooked gaming commissions, and 7% fees on all the transactions. That's why running an online casino is a game for multi-millionaires and you don't see a lot of startups in this space. We run the most transparent site on the planet, with every single card shoe published automatically and open for statistical analysis. We're 100% legal, incorporated in Costa Rica, and not taking players from countries where it would violate local law. But we still couldn't operate without either giving a majority of control over to corporate investors, just for the privilege of paying massive banking fees, or else by using a decentralized currency like Bitcoin. That's why our interests are in alignment; and whatever you think of gambling, we have a common enemy with OWS, in the massive accumulation of power by a few institutions over where and how we can use our own money. That's why we launched BitcoinsForChristmas and why we want -- and need -- for the currency to become a widely used medium of exchange while remaining independent of any central control, and while not falling victim to scammers and crooks and speculators who will drive people away from it.

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November 04, 2011, 10:06:15 PM
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I think there are a few really critical mistakes to avoid, at any rate:

1. No one speaks for the whole community. Certainly not Bruce Wagner.

2. Keep it simple and NON-TECHNICAL. The idea that you need a class taught by a con artist to learn how to use some new form of money will immediately turn off for anybody with half a brain. You don't need to know anything about wallet encryption, QCodes, hash rates, mining, trading, deflation, or how to avoid scam sites. Just get Bitcoins into peoples' hands to use as currency peer to peer on your iphone.

Things to keep in mind:

* One guy actually using it is more important a thousand people picking up a flyer and throwing it away.

* Hearing about it from your friend, or getting some from your friend, is a net positive. Hearing about it first from a scam artist is a massive fail.

* Circulation of the currency is everything to the uptake. Not trading, not education. Circulation and diffusion.

* The only things new people need to know about Bitcoin right up front are that
1/ we're promoting it for one reason only: No government or corporation can control it.
2/ The banks and financial institutions are afraid of it. It's a currency for the people.
3/ It's anonymous and untraceable like cash.
4/ You can store it on your phone.
5/ Be careful who you give it to. Like cash, you can't get it back.

* There's nothing wrong with MultiBit or BitcoinApp. Startup time needs to be FAST under these conditions. The learning curve needs to be shallow.

* Everyone who understands hash rates or mining already knows about Bitcoin and has an opinion about it. They haven't, so far, been excellent stewards of the currency. NO CLASSES.

* Why not set up a stand where people can drop off canned food and warm clothes and get paid a small amount of BTC, and other people can then buy things for a small BTC or USD donation?

Get a coin or two into the hands of a few hundred people at each event; also, give them something to buy with it. You'll see it start to get traded beyond the original group who had it.

Say NO to seminars, and NO to scam artists like Wagner. And support legitimate businesses who follow the law, but use Bitcoin to subvert corporate controls (like us).

Use BitcoinsForChristmas.com to send coins to anyone you know who's going to a protest. It's a good way to get them up and running FAST. That's is the whole point of the site; to cut through the technical babble and get the blood pumping through this economy. The key here is critical mass, and this is a critical time for reaching it.

I'm not trying to obscure the fact that we have a vested interest in getting that circulation going. But the reason WHY we have that interest is because Bitcoin's interests are our own. The cost of the requisite banking and holds to set up a casino that takes Visa/Mastercard are roughly $250k at a bare minimum; including $50k held indefinitely by the card companies, another $100k to lawyers and crooked gaming commissions, and 7% fees on all the transactions. That's why running an online casino is a game for multi-millionaires and you don't see a lot of startups in this space. We run the most transparent site on the planet, with every single card shoe published automatically and open for statistical analysis. We're 100% legal, incorporated in Costa Rica, and not taking players from countries where it would violate local law. But we still couldn't operate without either giving a majority of control over to corporate investors, just for the privilege of paying massive banking fees, or else by using a decentralized currency like Bitcoin. That's why our interests are in alignment; and whatever you think of gambling, we have a common enemy with OWS, in the massive accumulation of power by a few institutions over where and how we can use our own money. That's why we launched BitcoinsForChristmas and why we want -- and need -- for the currency to become a widely used medium of exchange while remaining independent of any central control, and while not falling victim to scammers and crooks and speculators who will drive people away from it.

/rant

This. As soon as mining and technical stuff gets involved people loose interests. Its fast, efficient, secure and fully digital. people generally need to know very little else.
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