Most new accounts do not contribute anything

[hilariousetc]

How about an antidote to this along these lines:

let's make a new section "For real" where condition to participate would be similar to

1) have an old private key with a tx in 2015/2014/2013
2) have a current private key with at least 0.1BTC (a typical condition for exchanges' trollboxes)
3) ?

People will just end up just buying old addresses which are worthless to most people who have them, but you'll certainly create a new market for them with this suggestion. There would be better ways of doing this as well and I've made a couple recently: You could have special boards that are only available to users who received x amount of merit or users who have made x amount of reports. I think special hidden boards for users who have received a lot of merit or made a lot of reports would be a nice perk and the discussion in there (especially the merit board) would probably be a good way to ensure that only quality discussion goes on.

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[LogitechMouse]

I think some of the new accounts that are being created here are done by newbies who doesn't have any bitcoin to pay for the Evil IP thing and that is the reason maybe they abandon their account.

Anyway, this forum is a place for learning and most new users who registered here on the forum have 2 reasons. Either to learn or to earn but most of them are here to earn. They see this forum as their workplace. They are bounty hunters who don't contribute anything but spam to the forum.

[BTCforJoe]

I think some of the new accounts that are being created here are done by newbies who doesn't have any bitcoin to pay for the Evil IP thing and that is the reason maybe they abandon their account.

I disagree. I recently created a new account (for a company project to be announced soon) and I did not face any IP restrictions by the forums, even though I already own two accounts here (disclosed on my feedback page).

I believe that the high turnover of new account creations and subsequent abandonment is due to the large amount of bounty hunter guides and tutorials floating around the web. New users who are promised fortunes probably register an account, find a few bounty threads, and realize that they don't want to do all the repetitive and spammy shit for a few bucks. I think it's safe to assume that not everyone who appeases their curiosity of "earning mega profits online at bitcointalk forums by bounty hunting!" by clicking through to the threads are all greedy money-grubbing spammers, which seems to be indicated (imo) by the amount of users abandoning their accounts.

[TheQuin]

I think some of the new accounts that are being created here are done by newbies who doesn't have any bitcoin to pay for the Evil IP thing and that is the reason maybe they abandon their account.

I disagree. I recently created a new account (for a company project to be announced soon) and I did not face any IP restrictions by the forums, even though I already own two accounts here (disclosed on my feedback page).

The Evil IP fee only applies to addresses that accounts have been banned on. So just creating a new account wouldn't mean you would have to pay. The spambots are using proxy services and when they sign up an account there is a high probability that it will be from an Evil IP address and they are asked to pay a fee which they obviously wouldn't. There was another thread looking at the stats here and they found 77% of recent accounts are still ranked Brand New.

[coinnumber]

Recently evil IP payment has been threading all over the forum which I believed it will makes a lot of beginners to abandon their new account simply because they have no Idea on how to make the payment. Secondly some newbies are here with greedy habit to make huge money account night as a result they may fall into the wrong hands and get scam which will make them to abandon their account.

[Soots]

I think some of the new accounts that are being created here are done by newbies who doesn't have any bitcoin to pay for the Evil IP thing and that is the reason maybe they abandon their account.

I disagree. I recently created a new account (for a company project to be announced soon) and I did not face any IP restrictions by the forums, even though I already own two accounts here (disclosed on my feedback page).

The Evil IP fee only applies to addresses that accounts have been banned on. So just creating a new account wouldn't mean you would have to pay. The spambots are using proxy services and when they sign up an account there is a high probability that it will be from an Evil IP address and they are asked to pay a fee which they obviously wouldn't. There was another thread looking at the stats here and they found 77% of recent accounts are still ranked Brand New.

Probably these users were spammers and they didn't actually contribute to the forum as of these days. Most of their thoughts were useless and some posted short lines with non sense ideas. This could not do anything good for the forum, and worst it made the bitcointalk forum flooded with their spams. With the merit system I suggest that this brand new accounts shouldn't be ranking up unless a merit will be given, and for that reason spam and non sense posting quality will be eliminated here.

[hilariousetc]

Are you really expecting new accounts to contribute something here immediately? Just imagine when you gain admission into a new school, you are expected to be on the learning part and such should be expected here.

But the problem here is people are going to an English-speaking 'school' for a subject they don't have any interest or knowledge in and many can't speak English very well in the first place, but are only going because there's some payment in it for them for 'attending'. When I was in college if you parents earned under a certain amount you got a thing called Educational Maintenance Allowance. There were some people in my class who were quite open that they wouldn't be there if it wasn't for that, and they didn't really want to be there and would do the minimal amount of work possible and just slack off. They really shouldn't have been there and were sometimes quite disruptive to the rest of the class. The same thing is happening here. Most of the new users don't care about Bitcoin and are just here to earn and it's ruined the experience for everyone else in the process. That's the same problem we have here.

[LogitechMouse]

Are you really expecting new accounts to contribute something here immediately? Just imagine when you gain admission into a new school, you are expected to be on the learning part and such should be expected here. Sometimes it makes people feel bad when you big guys stress this issue of " meaningful post" even when it is obvious that the forum is too vast for someone to learn just automatically...

The question is, are the new accounts' reason why they are created here is to contribute here in the forum?? To be honest, this thread has been created because this is true that new accounts don't contribute here. Oh they are contributing, contributing spam thru bounties.

When the merit system is not been implemented here, there were lots of spammers in the forum because ranking is not that hard but now its implemented now. New accounts are not created to contribute, they are being created for the sake of bounty hunting and this is the truth. Yeah, there are some newbies who are learning and you can find information anywhere in the forum but most of the new accounts don't contribute here.

I joined this forum since January and I still have not learnt everything even with the efforts am making. Honestly, the expectations you big guys place on newcomers is too high... they are to learn first before producing the result and learning is surely faster when they get involved in the discussion without being scolded.

High ranked members here doesn't need you to spoon feed all of the information because you can see it here already and one thing, there is a website called google.com where you can do some research in case what you need to research is not here.

Maybe you are haven't learned anything because you are just here for bounty hunting too. right??

[Direwolve735]

Are you really expecting new accounts to contribute something here immediately? Just imagine when you gain admission into a new school, you are expected to be on the learning part and such should be expected here.

But the problem here is people are going to an English-speaking 'school' for a subject they don't have any interest or knowledge in and many can't speak English very well in the first place, but are only going because there's some payment in it for them for 'attending'.

I would also add to your words, that the problem isn`t only in lack of interest in the topic, but absolute indifference and disrespect to the fact that the adherents of the forum have been building for several years. When a child comes to a new school, he doesn`t begin to destroy the established system there and violate the rules of the community. What do newbies think about themselves? Why they are sure they can ignore the rules that were originally written on the forum?

I understand that the problem hasn`t been solved yet in many respects due to the absence of proper sanctions. Beginners don`t have fear, they aren`t afraid even to be banned, because they know they can create thousands and thousands of accounts to earn their tokens. But I'm not talking about this right now. It is about culture and respect for someone else's work. The forum wasn`t created in one day. People, who have reached Hero and Legendary ranks have written their posts not in one minute. Think about what efforts from the administrator and the conscious participants the creation and development of this platform required. I`m very disappointed that a huge number of spammers and bounty hunters not just don`t admire the work done, but also openly disregard and neglect the rules and traditions of this forum.

[olumyd]

When I was a newbie, I tread carefully. Spoke only when I was sure the information would be helpful and when it wasn't, I asked questions instead. But let's not forget there are two categories of newbies okay maybe three.

The actual newbie
The newbie owned by an old timer (concurrently),  and
One who lost his account

I guess with the merit system it's really hard moving up if you are only incentivized by money matters. A host of category 1 and 2 will drop drastically, except they have a means to rank up easily (doubt that), category 3 are still the ones with genuine intentions, I think¡

[Bubrang]

Yes, let's say it's natural law, this world has many colors. If we see it only black and white or right and wrong without being able to see from various sides, maybe for beginners need knowledge of knowledge in the world of crypto and Bitcoin,
So for that, maybe with this post, it can contribute more in everything, people need teachers and read to not be empty in the world, just like Bitcointalk.

[Vod]

Are you really expecting new accounts to contribute something here immediately? Just imagine when you gain admission into a new school, you are expected to be on the learning part and such should be expected here. Sometimes it makes people feel bad when you big guys stress this issue of " meaningful post" even when it is obvious that the forum is too vast for someone to learn just automatically... I joined this forum since January and I still have not learnt everything even with the efforts am making. Honestly, the expectations you big guys place on newcomers is too high... they are to learn first before producing the result and learning is surely faster when they get involved in the discussion without being scolded.

I give them 90 days before I move them to archive.  Three months should be enough time to contribute.

[coinlocket$]

Recently evil IP payment has been threading all over the forum which I believed it will makes a lot of beginners to abandon their new account simply because they have no Idea on how to make the payment. Secondly some newbies are here with greedy habit to make huge money account night as a result they may fall into the wrong hands and get scam which will make them to abandon their account.

The evil IP works only if one user from that IP is banned, otherwise you can log in more accounts at the same time with a new fresh IP.

[Kopyleft]

Accounts might be dormant for many reasons, including read only users, who are only interested in reading and learning.
I feel the so called  shitposters know about the natural system, before joining

[MS69]

Rather than make a long post, I will just say look at the "Archived Profiles" at the top right of https://bpip.org

A few seconds later, refresh the page - see how the number is going up?  Yes, there were (are?) that many people signing up per minute on this forum...

Most new accounts are not making any posts at all, meaning three months later they become archived.

This is a GOOD sign.  Before merit introduction, most of these profiles were making garbage posts.

We just need to wait until all the shitposter sMerit has been used up.  Then there will be NO incentive and no forum posts about bitcointalk being a "lottery win".

And what do you contirubute? Throwing random feedbacks at anyone anytime?
You are fagot, and many know this.
What point do you have acting as a dick? No point i quess. Then what illness you have? Bipolaric? Autism?

[The Sceptical Chymist]

You are fagot, and many know this.

Vod's feedback in your case was a little bit harsh, given that you tried putting up collateral--I don't know anything about cargocoin tokens, but apparently the issue is that they're not traded on exchanges yet and therefore if you defaulted on your loan, the lender would be stuck, hoping that eventually he'd be able to sell them.  Does that about sum it up?

Did you get the loan you were asking for? m0gliE looked interested in doing it for you, but there's no followup in that thread.  I can't speak for Vod, but there might be an outside chance that if someone loans you that 0.1BTC and you pay it back on time and to the lender's satisfaction, Vod might reconsider the neg.  But calling him names and spamming his trust page with retaliatory negs, calling him a scammer won't work in your favor. 

People get tagged here for offering worthless collateral, because if the lender accepts it, they can very easily get scammed since the borrower (especially if it's a new account) has nothing to lose by defaulting on the loan.  In your case, Vod judged it as that kind of situation.  I said the feedback was harsh, but as I said I'm pretty ignorant about cargocoin tokens and whether they can eventually be sold or not.  If there's no chance, then the feedback is certainly appropriate.

[MS69]

You are fagot, and many know this.

Vod's feedback in your case was a little bit harsh, given that you tried putting up collateral--I don't know anything about cargocoin tokens, but apparently the issue is that they're not traded on exchanges yet and therefore if you defaulted on your loan, the lender would be stuck, hoping that eventually he'd be able to sell them.  Does that about sum it up?

Did you get the loan you were asking for? m0gliE looked interested in doing it for you, but there's no followup in that thread.  I can't speak for Vod, but there might be an outside chance that if someone loans you that 0.1BTC and you pay it back on time and to the lender's satisfaction, Vod might reconsider the neg.  But calling him names and spamming his trust page with retaliatory negs, calling him a scammer won't work in your favor.  

People get tagged here for offering worthless collateral, because if the lender accepts it, they can very easily get scammed since the borrower (especially if it's a new account) has nothing to lose by defaulting on the loan.  In your case, Vod judged it as that kind of situation.  I said the feedback was harsh, but as I said I'm pretty ignorant about cargocoin tokens and whether they can eventually be sold or not.  If there's no chance, then the feedback is certainly appropriate.

My loan was granted. Collateral deposited. Btc received. Was i trying to scam someone?

[The Sceptical Chymist]

My loan was granted. Collateral deposited. Btc received. Was i trying to scam someone?

Don't know how much you value your BCT account, but if you don't care about it, I'm not going to continue this discussion.  However, if you're looking to possibly salvage it, 1) remove those retaliatory negs on Vod, 2) stop posting that he's a scammer (he's not), 3) post proof that you got the loan, provided the collateral, and then paid the lender back. 

Vod is reasonable, but I know he doesn't appreciate behaviors like the ones you've displayed after him negging you and again, any appeal is between you and him--as I said, I can't speak for him.  He has been known to remove feedback depending on the actions of the tagged member. 

Who gave you the loan?  When is it due?  Can you provide the Txid for the bitcoin sent to you?

If you're looking to clear your name, start up a new thread in the Reputation section with that information.  All of this is off-topic here.

[MS69]

My loan was granted. Collateral deposited. Btc received. Was i trying to scam someone?

Don't know how much you value your BCT account, but if you don't care about it, I'm not going to continue this discussion.  However, if you're looking to possibly salvage it, 1) remove those retaliatory negs on Vod, 2) stop posting that he's a scammer (he's not), 3) post proof that you got the loan, provided the collateral, and then paid the lender back. 

Vod is reasonable, but I know he doesn't appreciate behaviors like the ones you've displayed after him negging you and again, any appeal is between you and him--as I said, I can't speak for him.  He has been known to remove feedback depending on the actions of the tagged member. 

Who gave you the loan?  When is it due?  Can you provide the Txid for the bitcoin sent to you?

If you're looking to clear your name, start up a new thread in the Reputation section with that information.  All of this is off-topic here.

Why do i need to prove anything? Because of what?
He isnt scammer? You say. Am i?
Text him to remove his feedback, and dont trow his ass in not his bussiness.
Do i care my account? How do you think? Thats not because of account, thats because some fagot(vod) being absolutely wrong.

[o_e_l_e_o]

Adults, when they have a disagreement, present a logical argument backed up by evidence to support their position. Children in the same situation rant and rave and call people names.

Spamming his trust page and multiple threads he started with off-topic nonsense and calling him a "fagot" will not help your case.

Once your loan is repaid, open a new thread in reputation with links to the relevant posts and transaction IDs.