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November 08, 2018, 08:03:00 PM
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SEC would be pressured to approve ETF if the price are going to rise like hell.

The SEC are hard bones to crack, they do not give any sign that they can approve an ETF, my only hope would be that at least the VanEck ETF has some chance of being approved, other ETFs have no chance of being approved

They just indicated that BTC is a highly volatile currency and they had estimated a risk coverage at 800% which is around 50,000$.

well, we have to look at their side, bitcoin has increased from $ 1000 to $ 20,000 in a short time and then fell to $ 6000 in a short time, so it's a very risky investment and banks need to take precautions

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They just indicated that BTC is a highly volatile currency and they had estimated a risk coverage at 800% which is around 50,000$.

well, we have to look at their side, bitcoin has increased from $ 1000 to $ 20,000 in a short time and then fell to $ 6000 in a short time, so it's a very risky investment and banks need to take precautions

Yes they need to make precautions as they won't be entering in the cryptocurrency market knowing that the asset they are holding could fall anytime. What I am not seeing here is why OP thinks that the investment will go up to 50,000$ if FINMA just increase the credit risk to 800%. OP must be thinking that BTC will grow to 800% and he misunderstood what credit risk is and think of it as a expected gain of BTC in the future which isn't

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November 08, 2018, 09:15:16 PM
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any comments on this been a manipulative strategy?
Manipulative - Hyping out coins which they do already baghold.
Non-Manipulative/ Full speculation- There might be an adoption or news but we all know that not all news will give a significant reaction on the market.

The important thing on this is we do know how to utilize these news either we decide to go in or wont really make movement at all.

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November 08, 2018, 11:52:43 PM
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They just indicated that BTC is a highly volatile currency and they had estimated a risk coverage at 800% which is around 50,000$.

well, we have to look at their side, bitcoin has increased from $ 1000 to $ 20,000 in a short time and then fell to $ 6000 in a short time, so it's a very risky investment and banks need to take precautions

Yes they need to make precautions as they won't be entering in the cryptocurrency market knowing that the asset they are holding could fall anytime. What I am not seeing here is why OP thinks that the investment will go up to 50,000$ if FINMA just increase the credit risk to 800%. OP must be thinking that BTC will grow to 800% and he misunderstood what credit risk is and think of it as a expected gain of BTC in the future which isn't

If that positive news could affect positive towards market growth, I think it depends on how every holders would decide in the long run. The future always unexpected, and we can't predict what may happen. When there's manipulations, we can't control that because we're just holders.

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November 09, 2018, 05:41:13 AM
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Bitcoin reaching $50,000 is still a far-fetched proposition even after 3 years since the last ATH. For this to happen, the market needs to add over $700M to bitcoin's current market capitalization, and that's no easy feat. This is not 2013 when a single bot can manipulate trades and do inorganic price rises since there are more eyes on this market now. The money has to be pumped in to the market and where are we going to get those anyway?

market cap doesn't mean much when it comes to cryptocurrencies and it should never be a number that you look at and decide whether something is possible or not. speaking of possibilities in 2017 price went from $900 to $20,000 which means market cap went from
16,115,000  * $900 = $ 14,503,500,000
to
16,772,000 * $20,000 = $ 335,440,000,000
which is $320 billion increase in only 1 year!

this kind of rise doesn't need manipulation. it only needs adoption and that is happening in any case. and the rises become bigger as there would be even more people investing in bitcoin as the popularity grows.

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Bitcoin reaching $50,000 is still a far-fetched proposition even after 3 years since the last ATH. For this to happen, the market needs to add over $700M to bitcoin's current market capitalization, and that's no easy feat. This is not 2013 when a single bot can manipulate trades and do inorganic price rises since there are more eyes on this market now. The money has to be pumped in to the market and where are we going to get those anyway?

market cap doesn't mean much when it comes to cryptocurrencies and it should never be a number that you look at and decide whether something is possible or not. speaking of possibilities in 2017 price went from $900 to $20,000 which means market cap went from
16,115,000  * $900 = $ 14,503,500,000
to
16,772,000 * $20,000 = $ 335,440,000,000
which is $320 billion increase in only 1 year!

this kind of rise doesn't need manipulation. it only needs adoption and that is happening in any case. and the rises become bigger as there would be even more people investing in bitcoin as the popularity grows.

Thats so true in many levels.

I personally don't look at mkt cap as well.

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November 10, 2018, 02:06:28 PM
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Manipulative - Hyping out coins which they do already baghold.
Non-Manipulative/ Full speculation- There might be an adoption or news but we all know that not all news will give a significant reaction on the market.
Which is one of the reasons why I stopped using fundamental analysis angle to approach the market, and would rather make use of price action ? What you have said is the truth, news or no news, they really do not affect the market that much as the market will do whatever it wants to do, and people basically just like attaching news to everything, and in the case that news is really nothing to be so keen about since they really do not matter much unless it is some big news that can bring about mass adoption, then it is not useful. What I can do is to look at the chart, and know exactly what I am looking for in the candles.

If that positive news could affect positive towards market growth, I think it depends on how every holders would decide in the long run.
Most holders really do not always care about news and all they believe in over the years till now is that the market will keep growing as more people keep coming in and the technology is something they can at least believe in forever and which would keep making bitcoin useful both as a payment method and as an asset in the long run. Bull run sometimes to me is just a distraction in which some greedy people have decided to cloud their judgment with. There is more to the market than just bull runs all the time.


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November 10, 2018, 04:26:01 PM
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No master the news, the real determinant about whether it would lead a bull run or just does not have any effect is on the basis of the reaction the community has for it which based on the time it launched and now, I don't see anyone taking it serious

Maybe this 2 press releases from today bring some nice moves to BTC and [eth], but you never know if this is a manipulation strategy
This are big players, they can turn the market any moment.


Bitcoin to 50.000 this year?
https://www.cryptoglobe.com/latest/2018/11/swiss-regulator-cryptoasset-risk-coverage-to-be-estimated-at-800-of-market-value/

This prediction is surely out of reality because even though people are optimistic is seeing a turn around in price, I don't see this happening at all and it would be a huge believe to have this before the year end.

Ethereum Staking coming soon,
Ethereum to 1.000K this year?
https://ethereumworldnews.com/jp-morgan-we-are-big-believers-in-ethereum/


any comments on this been a manipulative strategy?

Maybe when this eventually happens, because one unique thing that push the price of ETH to that high point aside the overall boom in the market was the tokens which has now dwindled because of the general perception of ICOs.

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November 10, 2018, 07:27:29 PM
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Maybe when this eventually happens, because one unique thing that push the price of ETH to that high point aside the overall boom in the market was the tokens which has now dwindled because of the general perception of ICOs.
As long as Bitcoin keeps going up, the rest of the market follows naturally, and then we also have the occasional altcoin booms to function as stimulating factor. This is the time for Ethereum to focus on different uses.

Even with ICOs still being a thing, there is so much competition in the utility platform side of the industry, that Ethereum won't be the center of the market anymore like it was last year when its price literally exploded.

This is also the time for other platforms to show what they are made of, and how much better than Ethereum they are, because as soon as Ethereum finally scales way past its current capabilities, the rest won't stand a chance anymore.

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November 11, 2018, 01:44:39 PM
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I highly doubt ethereum will have staking anytime soon, there are too many things they need to consider to build something like that, any ICO that gets funded with ETH will have a chance to stake and make profit with customers money without selling any ETH at least will think about twice before selling ETH and that will effect the price well however people who have ETH would have to send their already staking ETH to some ICO and lose the interest there which would make ICO's a second option and as ICO King eth has to decide which one they want to support the founders of the ICO's or the investors of ICO's. Considering all of this is a community hype thing I would suggest supporting the investors instead of supporting founders. Which means staking would have to benefit the small investor over big ones somehow.

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November 11, 2018, 02:08:01 PM
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SEC would be pressured to approve ETF if the price are going to rise like hell.

The SEC are hard bones to crack, they do not give any sign that they can approve an ETF, my only hope would be that at least the VanEck ETF has some chance of being approved, other ETFs have no chance of being approved

They just indicated that BTC is a highly volatile currency and they had estimated a risk coverage at 800% which is around 50,000$.

well, we have to look at their side, bitcoin has increased from $ 1000 to $ 20,000 in a short time and then fell to $ 6000 in a short time, so it's a very risky investment and banks need to take precautions


That is also true. They have rejected the proposal many times so it seem a sign to give up about it after all BTC and all other crypto rise up even without this ETF.
But if they can manipulate the price these days especially the guys who published those articles, the could be holding a lot of BTC and ETh by now else they wouldn't be publishing these articles.

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November 12, 2018, 09:50:32 AM
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I highly doubt ethereum will have staking anytime soon, there are too many things they need to consider to build something like that, any ICO that gets funded with ETH will have a chance to stake and make profit with customers money without selling any ETH at least will think about twice before selling ETH and that will effect the price well however people who have ETH would have to send their already staking ETH to some ICO and lose the interest there which would make ICO's a second option and as ICO King eth has to decide which one they want to support the founders of the ICO's or the investors of ICO's. Considering all of this is a community hype thing I would suggest supporting the investors instead of supporting founders. Which means staking would have to benefit the small investor over big ones somehow.


interesting comment. Never took this viewpoint before, its curious, and a bit brain hurting  Grin
In any case,u can use you gained ETH to invest without lossing your staking right?




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November 12, 2018, 02:45:58 PM
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Why a prediction should suddenly be considered as manipulation tool? We read tons of them daily, from all kind of sources/people. Why bother with it. People can make any prediction but then? On the date, you won't see them anymore. It's not like it's a kind of calendar, Bitcoin doesn't listen to predictions market.

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