Proposal: Disallow Ads in Signatures

[apsvinet]

Do you not realize that this is one of the things that drive the bitcoin force. If nobody can get revenue from bitcoins bitcoin dies. Here is a simple solution instead of worrying about meaningless posts why not go to a different post and find something that interests you there. Here is an even better solution your in control of your own eyes so if you don't like seeing meaningless posts some where very simple tell your eyes not to view it.

This is exactly what they fail to see. The people supporting / making
this decision are people already wealthy enough themselves to not
be advertising themselves. In the end, nobody -loses- when people
advertise. The advertisers get money, the site owners get money,
the bitcoins are flowing and the incentive to earn even more grows.

There's still a way for people like the guy who made this proposal
to -completely- ignore other's signatures. I don't see why he prefers
to see small ads rather than no ads.

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[SaltySpitoon]

Do you not realize that this is one of the things that drive the bitcoin force. If nobody can get revenue from bitcoins bitcoin dies. Here is a simple solution instead of worrying about meaningless posts why not go to a different post and find something that interests you there. Here is an even better solution your in control of your own eyes so if you don't like seeing meaningless posts some where very simple tell your eyes not to view it.

This is a forum, not an ad agency. The goal here is to be without spam, and to allow viewers the freedom to participate in a range of conversation and access to the information here. It has no obligation to its users to cater to a destructive spamming system. Some sort of solutions will be tried and found, the goal is to allow people to continue signature ads, however not if its at the expense of damaging the forum's main purpose.

This is exactly what they fail to see. The people supporting / making
this decision are people already wealthy enough themselves to not
be advertising themselves. In the end, nobody -loses- when people
advertise. The advertisers get money, the site owners get money,
the bitcoins are flowing and the incentive to earn even more grows.

There's still a way for people like the guy who made this proposal
to -completely- ignore other's signatures. I don't see why he prefers
to see small ads rather than no ads.

You can ignore the content of the signature itself, but you can't ignore the thousands of spam posts that are disrupting everyone's conversations.

[apsvinet]

Do you not realize that this is one of the things that drive the bitcoin force. If nobody can get revenue from bitcoins bitcoin dies. Here is a simple solution instead of worrying about meaningless posts why not go to a different post and find something that interests you there. Here is an even better solution your in control of your own eyes so if you don't like seeing meaningless posts some where very simple tell your eyes not to view it.

This is a forum, not an ad agency. The goal here is to be without spam, and to allow viewers the freedom to participate in a range of conversation and access to the information here. It has no obligation to its users to cater to a destructive spamming system. Some sort of solutions will be tried and found, the goal is to allow people to continue signature ads, however not if its at the expense of damaging the forum's main purpose.

This is exactly what they fail to see. The people supporting / making
this decision are people already wealthy enough themselves to not
be advertising themselves. In the end, nobody -loses- when people
advertise. The advertisers get money, the site owners get money,
the bitcoins are flowing and the incentive to earn even more grows.

There's still a way for people like the guy who made this proposal
to -completely- ignore other's signatures. I don't see why he prefers
to see small ads rather than no ads.

You can ignore the content of the signature itself, but you can't ignore the thousands of spam posts that are disrupting everyone's conversations.

Maybe the focus should then be on reworking who's allowed to post and how many times you're allowed to post in the different forum account levels, for example a set amount of posts per day as a maximum. The signatures should remain unchanged, for those advertising and for those who don't.
I don't believe spam stops because people have lesser chance of earning money from it, but if the amount of posts per day is regulated and spam posts reported, people won't waste their daily posts on spam. Of course the biggest restrictions would be against newbie accounts, many people would already not risk losing their full/sr/hero member accounts, as theymos himself said.

[SaltySpitoon]

Maybe the focus should then be on reworking who's allowed to post and how many times you're allowed to post in the different forum account levels, for example a set amount of posts per day as a maximum. The signatures should remain unchanged, for those advertising and for those who don't.
I don't believe spam stops because people have lesser chance of earning money from it, but if the amount of posts per day is regulated and spam posts reported, people won't waste their daily posts on spam. Of course the biggest restrictions would be against newbie accounts, many people would already not risk losing their full/sr/hero member accounts, as theymos himself said.

We have witnessed spam start because of the chance of earning money from it, so we are trying to undo that. Restricting how many times per day you can post is more restrictive to everyone, than changing signature styling which is just restrictive to paid advertising.

[t3a]

Maybe the focus should then be on reworking who's allowed to post and how many times you're allowed to post in the different forum account levels, for example a set amount of posts per day as a maximum. The signatures should remain unchanged, for those advertising and for those who don't.
I don't believe spam stops because people have lesser chance of earning money from it, but if the amount of posts per day is regulated and spam posts reported, people won't waste their daily posts on spam. Of course the biggest restrictions would be against newbie accounts, many people would already not risk losing their full/sr/hero member accounts, as theymos himself said.

We have witnessed spam start because of the chance of earning money from it, so we are trying to undo that. Restricting how many times per day you can post is more restrictive to everyone, than changing signature styling which is just restrictive to paid advertising.

Could we have a thread where people register to advertise, then they link to the post where their registration was approved? If they are advertising without registering, they get banned. Mods can look at the registered advertiser list and ban any spammers.

[nahtnam]

Why not force advertisers to pay by activity instead of posts... That way there is less spam...

[devthedev]

Why not force advertisers to pay by activity instead of posts... That way there is less spam...

Best idea I've heard all day.

[apsvinet]

Why not force advertisers to pay by activity instead of posts... That way there is less spam...

Cause having an advertiser with 1400 activity doesn't give you a single advertisement if said person doesn't post?
1 Post = 1 link to your website
1 Activity =

[nahtnam]

Why not force advertisers to pay by activity instead of posts... That way there is less spam...

Cause having an advertiser with 1400 activity doesn't give you a single advertisement if said person doesn't post?
1 Post = 1 link to your website
1 Activity =

That's true... I guess the only option is to either disallow ads or allow ads...

[apsvinet]

Why not force advertisers to pay by activity instead of posts... That way there is less spam...

Cause having an advertiser with 1400 activity doesn't give you a single advertisement if said person doesn't post?
1 Post = 1 link to your website
1 Activity =

That's true... I guess the only option is to either disallow ads or allow ads...

Well it looks like the found a way to screw everyone who hasn't been here for 1 year+…
They don't have anything against advertising, or people making money on the forum, or people spamming, just as long as newbie and jr accounts don't make money posting, it seems like. Idk I think the forum worked very well as it was before.

[nahtnam]

Why not force advertisers to pay by activity instead of posts... That way there is less spam...

Cause having an advertiser with 1400 activity doesn't give you a single advertisement if said person doesn't post?
1 Post = 1 link to your website
1 Activity =

That's true... I guess the only option is to either disallow ads or allow ads...

Well it looks like the found a way to screw everyone who hasn't been here for 1 year+…
They don't have anything against advertising, or people making money on the forum, or people spamming, just as long as newbie and jr accounts don't make money posting, it seems like. Idk I think the forum worked very well as it was before.

Yeah, the spamming is pretty annoying. Personally the best thing to do is to do what I do. Simply make a personal deal. There are only about 10 other people with the same sig as me (The colors are a little messed up, it will be back to normal once I get 2 more activity [Ill be Sr.Member]) and we are flexible on the amount of posts and the payment...

[BadBear]

Why not force advertisers to pay by activity instead of posts... That way there is less spam...

We'd rather not outright force people to do things. Realistically speaking we couldn't anyway.

[nahtnam]

Why not force advertisers to pay by activity instead of posts... That way there is less spam...

We'd rather not outright force people to do things. Realistically speaking we couldn't anyway.

Then there is no solution except for banning the whole thing. I guess the signature limitation had some effect, but not much...

[BadBear]

A little too soon to tell, it will take time as we weed out the spammers and they figure out that they need to not spam if they want to be able to participate as they did before. Does seem to have helped but I haven't had much time to actually sit and read the forum lately, spring is coming.

[nahtnam]

A little too soon to tell. Does seem to have helped but I haven't had much time to actually sit and read the forum lately, spring is coming.

Some people did quit since Stunna (primedice) lowered the payment for people with the small signature...

[apsvinet]

A little too soon to tell, it will take time as we weed out the spammers and they figure out that they need to not spam if they want to be able to participate as they did before. Does seem to have helped but I haven't had much time to actually sit and read the forum lately, spring is coming.

Spam has gone down I admit that, but not only the spam is gone. There are less discussion going on by the looks of it, posts gets fewer replies, less threads being made. But hey - at least it helped get the spam down.

[hilariousandco]

Why not force advertisers to pay by activity instead of posts... That way there is less spam...

Cause having an advertiser with 1400 activity doesn't give you a single advertisement if said person doesn't post?
1 Post = 1 link to your website
1 Activity =

This is exactly it. As I've said numerous times before, all the other deals that pay by activity either offer peanuts or get exploited. If there's no incentive to post then people wont or will do very little. If signatures stay, the simplest solution is to just ban spammers and/or delete their posts.

[brush242]

Ladies, ladies, ladies. Look at this discussion and similar ones all across the web.

The one thing they all have in common, no matter the subject matter, is that people really never agree on how best to force other people to adhere to their grand ideas. The forceees either disagree, or don't care, or ignore, or whatever, the forcers' wishes.

The net result is often just endless threads like this, that while not spam, certainly come close to approximating it. Some (myself included) couldn't care less what someone posts, spam or not, I just skip it. Others, well, it *really bothers them* that other free-thinking people don't agree with them. There are a lot more all along the spectrum as well.

I don't have a solution, per se, but the result is usually hire a bunch more moderators and delete spam, and spammers.

[freedomno1]

A little too soon to tell, it will take time as we weed out the spammers and they figure out that they need to not spam if they want to be able to participate as they did before. Does seem to have helped but I haven't had much time to actually sit and read the forum lately, spring is coming.

Time for more Total Drama Island and the Badbear to wake up from his hibernation ^_^
Thought it fit the topic well hehe

[omahapoker]

I agree, need to weed out spammers. but to be honest i like seeing all the sigs and the colors added flare to this forum. niw the forum look like every other forum. generic