To Stop the Cartels, Mexico Strongly Considering the Legalization of ALL Drugs

[neliawesome]

Legalization of all drugs?For me its a hilarious idea.Only to stop cartels or any illegal activities do they need to legalize all drugs?It means that business is more important than life.Lets say that the government succeeded in stopping cartels but I think crimes will just keep on rising.A drug is a drug.A person who will get addicted into it is no longer in right minds and can make worst things such as crimes.Even Mexico will become rich because of legalizing drugs because of its taxes, I am pretty sure that theres no more peace in that country and corruption will just worsen everything.Here in my country theres a strong implementation of war on drugs.Yes there are lots been killed by cops but not all of them killed by cops they are killed by their own group because they are afraid that their illegal activities will revealed.I dont like the idea of killing but its better to kill criminals than risking the life of innocent people.Our country as of now is more safer than the past were drugs is all over and past government had no actions.Its time to do some strict rules to protect the people.So I dont agree what Mexican government is planning regarding legalizing all drugs.Maybe theres certain drugs need to legalize like drugs for medication but I strongly disagree to legalize all drugs.

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[The_Tick]

That actually a very smart move. By legalizing it all, cartels won't have any sources of income because superprofits would disappear.

Ummm I think the narcos are going to take control of the market anyway, either legal or illegally... In fact, by legalizing drugs, they are giving the cartels the option to "come clear" and to declare and have their money clean almost instantly.

I doubt they will lose any profit, but, how knows? Maybe legalization is the way to the peace in Mexico. And yes, we absolutely need some peace.

The only reason these cartels are earning exorbitant amounts of money is because drugs are illegal. The ban doesn't decrease the demand substantially, but the supply shrinks dramatically, which in couple of with cost of risk makes drugs cost a lot. That considering the fact that the netcost of any drug is negligible. If you legalize all drugs, you make it possible for anyone in the country to enter the market. As a result, the supply will increase and all prices will slump down. The drug market will stop being a high-marginal business and therefore all these cartels will lose their major source of income. As a rule, drug cartels are the biggest beneficiaries and lobbists of ban on drugs.

This is the best explanation I have read in this thread. Thank you! Am I right that if most of the drug demand is from the US, legalizing drugs in Mexico wouldn't help the situation that much would it? It may just make it easier for people to produce drugs and send more to the US. This would probably be pretty bad for US-Mexico relations. If the US were to legalize drugs though, then people could produce drugs in the US, which would bring the prices was down and perhaps cause less problems in Mexico. I think a big thing people are missing though is that "legalizing" drugs doesn't usually mean you can mass produce and sell them legally. What seems to have more often is decriminalization, which is a completely different thing.

[BADecker]

That actually a very smart move. By legalizing it all, cartels won't have any sources of income because superprofits would disappear.

Ummm I think the narcos are going to take control of the market anyway, either legal or illegally... In fact, by legalizing drugs, they are giving the cartels the option to "come clear" and to declare and have their money clean almost instantly.

I doubt they will lose any profit, but, how knows? Maybe legalization is the way to the peace in Mexico. And yes, we absolutely need some peace.

The only reason these cartels are earning exorbitant amounts of money is because drugs are illegal. The ban doesn't decrease the demand substantially, but the supply shrinks dramatically, which in couple of with cost of risk makes drugs cost a lot. That considering the fact that the netcost of any drug is negligible. If you legalize all drugs, you make it possible for anyone in the country to enter the market. As a result, the supply will increase and all prices will slump down. The drug market will stop being a high-marginal business and therefore all these cartels will lose their major source of income. As a rule, drug cartels are the biggest beneficiaries and lobbists of ban on drugs.

This is the best explanation I have read in this thread. Thank you! Am I right that if most of the drug demand is from the US, legalizing drugs in Mexico wouldn't help the situation that much would it? It may just make it easier for people to produce drugs and send more to the US. This would probably be pretty bad for US-Mexico relations. If the US were to legalize drugs though, then people could produce drugs in the US, which would bring the prices was down and perhaps cause less problems in Mexico. I think a big thing people are missing though is that "legalizing" drugs doesn't usually mean you can mass produce and sell them legally. What seems to have more often is decriminalization, which is a completely different thing.

However, the U.S. is supposed to be about freedom.

How many times haven't some simple people been sitting in their own home, and enjoying a small amount of pot, when the cops break down the doors, and haul the people off to court? They weren't dealing. They weren't hurting anyone. But the courts trick them into admitting that they were doing wrong, and some of them are doing time for being FREE.

Why are people in government trying to take your freedom away? Because that is what it amounts to. They may not have come to your door with their law enforcement, yet. But they have thousands of laws they could use on you if they wanted. And if they did, you wouldn't know how to fight them in court or otherwise.

But, you say, the U.S. is a democracy! A democracy means rule by the majority. So, 51% vote a particular government in. Then the government says drugs are illegal. The result is that many of the 51% lose their freedom, right along with many of the 49%. And it all makes money for government people.

[The_Tick]

That actually a very smart move. By legalizing it all, cartels won't have any sources of income because superprofits would disappear.

Ummm I think the narcos are going to take control of the market anyway, either legal or illegally... In fact, by legalizing drugs, they are giving the cartels the option to "come clear" and to declare and have their money clean almost instantly.

I doubt they will lose any profit, but, how knows? Maybe legalization is the way to the peace in Mexico. And yes, we absolutely need some peace.

The only reason these cartels are earning exorbitant amounts of money is because drugs are illegal. The ban doesn't decrease the demand substantially, but the supply shrinks dramatically, which in couple of with cost of risk makes drugs cost a lot. That considering the fact that the netcost of any drug is negligible. If you legalize all drugs, you make it possible for anyone in the country to enter the market. As a result, the supply will increase and all prices will slump down. The drug market will stop being a high-marginal business and therefore all these cartels will lose their major source of income. As a rule, drug cartels are the biggest beneficiaries and lobbists of ban on drugs.

This is the best explanation I have read in this thread. Thank you! Am I right that if most of the drug demand is from the US, legalizing drugs in Mexico wouldn't help the situation that much would it? It may just make it easier for people to produce drugs and send more to the US. This would probably be pretty bad for US-Mexico relations. If the US were to legalize drugs though, then people could produce drugs in the US, which would bring the prices was down and perhaps cause less problems in Mexico. I think a big thing people are missing though is that "legalizing" drugs doesn't usually mean you can mass produce and sell them legally. What seems to have more often is decriminalization, which is a completely different thing.

However, the U.S. is supposed to be about freedom.

How many times haven't some simple people been sitting in their own home, and enjoying a small amount of pot, when the cops break down the doors, and haul the people off to court? They weren't dealing. They weren't hurting anyone. But the courts trick them into admitting that they were doing wrong, and some of them are doing time for being FREE.

Why are people in government trying to take your freedom away? Because that is what it amounts to. They may not have come to your door with their law enforcement, yet. But they have thousands of laws they could use on you if they wanted. And if they did, you wouldn't know how to fight them in court or otherwise.

But, you say, the U.S. is a democracy! A democracy means rule by the majority. So, 51% vote a particular government in. Then the government says drugs are illegal. The result is that many of the 51% lose their freedom, right along with many of the 49%. And it all makes money for government people.

I feel like this is just a general response. You didn't actually address anything I said. I don't think I mentioned anything about the US being a democracy. I probably agree with you for the most part. I think it's a good thing that many states are decriminalizing or legalizing marijuana. It's ridiculous that so many people are in jail for marijuana related charges. At the same times, for some reason, it's fine to smoke cigarettes and drink alcohol. I'm pretty sure both those things are more dangerous than marijuana. Canada is also legalizing marijuana. This will probably be like gay marriage. It was illegal everywhere and now it will quickly spread across the world.

[BADecker]

This is the best explanation I have read in this thread. Thank you! Am I right that if most of the drug demand is from the US, legalizing drugs in Mexico wouldn't help the situation that much would it? It may just make it easier for people to produce drugs and send more to the US. This would probably be pretty bad for US-Mexico relations. If the US were to legalize drugs though, then people could produce drugs in the US, which would bring the prices was down and perhaps cause less problems in Mexico. I think a big thing people are missing though is that "legalizing" drugs doesn't usually mean you can mass produce and sell them legally. What seems to have more often is decriminalization, which is a completely different thing.

However, the U.S. is supposed to be about freedom.

How many times haven't some simple people been sitting in their own home, and enjoying a small amount of pot, when the cops break down the doors, and haul the people off to court? They weren't dealing. They weren't hurting anyone. But the courts trick them into admitting that they were doing wrong, and some of them are doing time for being FREE.

Why are people in government trying to take your freedom away? Because that is what it amounts to. They may not have come to your door with their law enforcement, yet. But they have thousands of laws they could use on you if they wanted. And if they did, you wouldn't know how to fight them in court or otherwise.

But, you say, the U.S. is a democracy! A democracy means rule by the majority. So, 51% vote a particular government in. Then the government says drugs are illegal. The result is that many of the 51% lose their freedom, right along with many of the 49%. And it all makes money for government people.

I feel like this is just a general response. You didn't actually address anything I said. I don't think I mentioned anything about the US being a democracy. I probably agree with you for the most part. I think it's a good thing that many states are decriminalizing or legalizing marijuana. It's ridiculous that so many people are in jail for marijuana related charges. At the same times, for some reason, it's fine to smoke cigarettes and drink alcohol. I'm pretty sure both those things are more dangerous than marijuana. Canada is also legalizing marijuana. This will probably be like gay marriage. It was illegal everywhere and now it will quickly spread across the world.

My general response addresses the core of the whole problem. What is that problem? The problem is some people trying to rule over the freedom of other people.

In order for government to regulate things for our benefit, we first have to see if there is a benefit, and what it is. The underlying benefit in everything is freedom. Freedom means to let you do what you want as long as you don't harm others, or directly threaten them.

Government ruling over the freedom of people to use drugs in their lives as they like, is simply government people finding ways to make money off other people, and sometimes each other. This is exactly what is happening with the drug war. Get rid of drug laws, and the stupid drug war will go away, and government people won't be making those tremendous amounts of money off it any more. They will have to go out and get a real job, just to live.

If somebody injures some other person while under the influence, make him pay with such a severe sentence that all who hear about it will be careful to regulate their own drug use properly. All the laws and drug wars that exist don't stop people from doing injury to others. Rather, when they do injury, make them pay. This way innocent people will remain free to do what they like.

Now, I know that you are probably in favor of drug freedom. But you are giving me the opportunity to show what the problem is all about. And this is the problem: That people in government are trying to take freedom away from other people for profit.

[El_rancho]

It's not gonna stop the cartels, it's just gonna bring in a new breed of cartels and organizations that would
like to profit and tap into this so called legal market.
I'm not too sure if all drugs are suitable for legalization either. It's a fab and it's unreasonable.
It's gonna create such noise and political issues as other countries would surely question such resolutions.

[BADecker]

Anybody who has heard of the medical, especially the pharmaceutical industry, knows about the present legal drug cartels. Getting government out of regulating simple drugs like marijuana for average people, would essentially destroy the medical cartel, since properly used, marijuana alone will cure, like, 90% of the problems that the medical uses drugs on.

I'm surprised that Youtube hasn't banned this video yet:

'Run From The Cure" Full Rick Simpson Documentary Curing Cancer with Marijuana!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fhJvdHrxX8

Look for the other Rick Simpson videos. Then, look for things that other people have to say. It's really time to crash the big medical cartel that is screwing everyone out of money way more than the Mexican drug cartels could ever think of doing.

[The_Tick]

Anybody who has heard of the medical, especially the pharmaceutical industry, knows about the present legal drug cartels. Getting government out of regulating simple drugs like marijuana for average people, would essentially destroy the medical cartel, since properly used, marijuana alone will cure, like, 90% of the problems that the medical uses drugs on.

I'm surprised that Youtube hasn't banned this video yet:

'Run From The Cure" Full Rick Simpson Documentary Curing Cancer with Marijuana!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fhJvdHrxX8

Look for the other Rick Simpson videos. Then, look for things that other people have to say. It's really time to crash the big medical cartel that is screwing everyone out of money way more than the Mexican drug cartels could ever think of doing.

Well, in many places I think they already got in on it. I know that many regions of the US and Canada have had legal medicinal marijuana for quite some time. I know that in some places like California just about anybody can pay for a prescription, but some regions actually take it seriously and treat some illnesses with marijuana. It can be very effective, as you say. I'm sure the the pharmaceutical industry has been in on that and I'm sure they'll continue to get more into it as marijuana becomes accepted in more places. If they've already got farms going for medical marijuana, when marijuana is legalized they can just expand their operations.

[kolsernik]

I do not think that the legalization of drugs will have a positive impact on the nation as a whole.Although if I have in the country this happens I still will not use drugs.It's against common sense.

[Steamtyme]

I'll admit I'm ignorant to this issue. I have spent a total of 7 days in Mexico.

I thought they had legalised small amounts TSA of most drugs in 2006. I used to watch a lot of daily show and I remember them talking about it.

[BADecker]

I do not think that the legalization of drugs will have a positive impact on the nation as a whole.Although if I have in the country this happens I still will not use drugs.It's against common sense.

There is a good - but kinda deep - video in here that you should watch.

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[BADecker]

This may pose a more problem for the country by legalizing drugs.

But the problem will be government making money from the legalization. People should be free. Legalization only changes who the cartels are.

[The_Tick]

This may pose a more problem for the country by legalizing drugs.

But the problem will be government making money from the legalization. People should be free. Legalization only changes who the cartels are.

It's sad that this sounds like such a negative thing. I have the same feeling that you express. It shouldn't be that way though. The government "making more money" should be equal to the people making more money. Ideally, rather than cartels making billions of dollars, those billions would be spread out among the people. Sadly, we can't trust our governments to get much of that money into the hands of the people. The governments are always so eager to get more taxes from somewhere, but they never seem to be in a hurry to give back to the people at least some of what they take.

[BADecker]

This may pose a more problem for the country by legalizing drugs.

But the problem will be government making money from the legalization. People should be free. Legalization only changes who the cartels are.

It's sad that this sounds like such a negative thing. I have the same feeling that you express. It shouldn't be that way though. The government "making more money" should be equal to the people making more money. Ideally, rather than cartels making billions of dollars, those billions would be spread out among the people. Sadly, we can't trust our governments to get much of that money into the hands of the people. The governments are always so eager to get more taxes from somewhere, but they never seem to be in a hurry to give back to the people at least some of what they take.

So, let's use government and the law to do something about it. Start by going here - https://www.youtube.com/user/765736/videos - and finding every audio/video that has "IRS" in the title, to see what is going on with taxation.

Further, if court is involved, take a look at this audio/video:
003 - Karl Lentz - Establish your common law court

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=karl+lenz+your+own+court+003
Then, look at the other audio/videos around that one.

It will take a little time to get it into your head what is going on. But you need to start somewhere. Listen to at least the first 5 minutes of the audio/video, "Learn how to reclaim your sovereignty and fight government tyranny through jury nullification" at https://www.naturalnews.com/2018-08-03-learn-how-reclaim-sovereignty-fight-government-tyranny-jury-nullification.html, to understand some of the bottom line for the above A/V.

[btc-deltacoin]

That actually a very smart move. By legalizing it all, cartels won't have any sources of income because superprofits would disappear.

Ummm I think the narcos are going to take control of the market anyway, either legal or illegally... In fact, by legalizing drugs, they are giving the cartels the option to "come clear" and to declare and have their money clean almost instantly.

I doubt they will lose any profit, but, how knows? Maybe legalization is the way to the peace in Mexico. And yes, we absolutely need some peace.

The only reason these cartels are earning exorbitant amounts of money is because drugs are illegal. The ban doesn't decrease the demand substantially, but the supply shrinks dramatically, which in couple of with cost of risk makes drugs cost a lot. That considering the fact that the netcost of any drug is negligible. If you legalize all drugs, you make it possible for anyone in the country to enter the market. As a result, the supply will increase and all prices will slump down. The drug market will stop being a high-marginal business and therefore all these cartels will lose their major source of income. As a rule, drug cartels are the biggest beneficiaries and lobbists of ban on drugs.

This is the best explanation I have read in this thread. Thank you! Am I right that if most of the drug demand is from the US, legalizing drugs in Mexico wouldn't help the situation that much would it? It may just make it easier for people to produce drugs and send more to the US. This would probably be pretty bad for US-Mexico relations. If the US were to legalize drugs though, then people could produce drugs in the US, which would bring the prices was down and perhaps cause less problems in Mexico. I think a big thing people are missing though is that "legalizing" drugs doesn't usually mean you can mass produce and sell them legally. What seems to have more often is decriminalization, which is a completely different thing.

It's way more complex to produce drugs in the US rather than in Mexico so that would probably make the price grow. Besides that, there are some components that aren't available in the US  naturally .

[The_Tick]

That actually a very smart move. By legalizing it all, cartels won't have any sources of income because superprofits would disappear.

Ummm I think the narcos are going to take control of the market anyway, either legal or illegally... In fact, by legalizing drugs, they are giving the cartels the option to "come clear" and to declare and have their money clean almost instantly.

I doubt they will lose any profit, but, how knows? Maybe legalization is the way to the peace in Mexico. And yes, we absolutely need some peace.

The only reason these cartels are earning exorbitant amounts of money is because drugs are illegal. The ban doesn't decrease the demand substantially, but the supply shrinks dramatically, which in couple of with cost of risk makes drugs cost a lot. That considering the fact that the netcost of any drug is negligible. If you legalize all drugs, you make it possible for anyone in the country to enter the market. As a result, the supply will increase and all prices will slump down. The drug market will stop being a high-marginal business and therefore all these cartels will lose their major source of income. As a rule, drug cartels are the biggest beneficiaries and lobbists of ban on drugs.

This is the best explanation I have read in this thread. Thank you! Am I right that if most of the drug demand is from the US, legalizing drugs in Mexico wouldn't help the situation that much would it? It may just make it easier for people to produce drugs and send more to the US. This would probably be pretty bad for US-Mexico relations. If the US were to legalize drugs though, then people could produce drugs in the US, which would bring the prices was down and perhaps cause less problems in Mexico. I think a big thing people are missing though is that "legalizing" drugs doesn't usually mean you can mass produce and sell them legally. What seems to have more often is decriminalization, which is a completely different thing.

It's way more complex to produce drugs in the US rather than in Mexico so that would probably make the price grow. Besides that, there are some components that aren't available in the US  naturally .

What makes in more complex in the US? If it was legalized in both, wouldn't it be able the same? I guess the labor costs would be far lower in Mexico. I'd love to hear what else I'm missing though. What specific drugs are you talking about? I don't think that components being missing ever stopped anybody in the US. You could just import them. What components do you mean, though?

[squatz1]

However, the U.S. is supposed to be about freedom.

How many times haven't some simple people been sitting in their own home, and enjoying a small amount of pot, when the cops break down the doors, and haul the people off to court? They weren't dealing. They weren't hurting anyone. But the courts trick them into admitting that they were doing wrong, and some of them are doing time for being FREE.

Why are people in government trying to take your freedom away? Because that is what it amounts to. They may not have come to your door with their law enforcement, yet. But they have thousands of laws they could use on you if they wanted. And if they did, you wouldn't know how to fight them in court or otherwise.

But, you say, the U.S. is a democracy! A democracy means rule by the majority. So, 51% vote a particular government in. Then the government says drugs are illegal. The result is that many of the 51% lose their freedom, right along with many of the 49%. And it all makes money for government people.

Well the thing is, these people are free to elect representatives who will change the laws into making these drugs legal. There is nothing wrong with the government enforcing the laws of its nation. There is something wrong with people attempting to take the law into their own hands, and ignore the laws of the nation. It would be an injustice for the police, DEA, and so on to ignore the drug laws which have been set -- that would set a horrible precedent for all laws.

Citizens have the ability to change the laws, and they should. This is how democracy works, and while it may not look too amazing -- it's the best system that has ever been tried.

[BADecker]

However, the U.S. is supposed to be about freedom.

How many times haven't some simple people been sitting in their own home, and enjoying a small amount of pot, when the cops break down the doors, and haul the people off to court? They weren't dealing. They weren't hurting anyone. But the courts trick them into admitting that they were doing wrong, and some of them are doing time for being FREE.

Why are people in government trying to take your freedom away? Because that is what it amounts to. They may not have come to your door with their law enforcement, yet. But they have thousands of laws they could use on you if they wanted. And if they did, you wouldn't know how to fight them in court or otherwise.

But, you say, the U.S. is a democracy! A democracy means rule by the majority. So, 51% vote a particular government in. Then the government says drugs are illegal. The result is that many of the 51% lose their freedom, right along with many of the 49%. And it all makes money for government people.

Well the thing is, these people are free to elect representatives who will change the laws into making these drugs legal. There is nothing wrong with the government enforcing the laws of its nation. There is something wrong with people attempting to take the law into their own hands, and ignore the laws of the nation. It would be an injustice for the police, DEA, and so on to ignore the drug laws which have been set -- that would set a horrible precedent for all laws.

Citizens have the ability to change the laws, and they should. This is how democracy works, and while it may not look too amazing -- it's the best system that has ever been tried.

The other thing they can do is be prepared for, and establish their own common law court, and sue the b*****ds who violated their privacy, and have more money to grow better strains of pot.

003 - Karl Lentz - Establish your common law court

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQf9NFh3wN8

But it is a pretty difficult thing to do when you don't know how to do it, or even that it can be done, because your schooling didn't teach you, because they don't want you to know, because they are trying to take over the world.