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August 12, 2018, 11:38:44 AM
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We all know getting merit is not easy. we post lots of quality post but still we didn't get any merit. In that time if we heard people selling their merit. that really frustration fact for us.


Your 19 posts consisting of 2 or three lines are not going to get you merit. Unless one of them says something profound and brilliant. Most posts that get merit take time and effort to compose.
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Have a look at the type of posts that get merit: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats

Your motivation shouldn't be merit but making a contribution towards the forum. Posts for the sake of extracting merits are usually quite obvious to those that have merits to give.

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Only one things is crystal clear though. If merit would have been introduced when this forum was launched, non of you legendary/ hero members would hold your current rank  Wink

Not true. I will have gone from Hero to Legendary as soon as I have the required activity and this is only in a matter of months. Merit isn't difficult for those who make quality contributions, but it is for those who are only here to make one/two liners to get paid. I wouldn't even be against everyone starting from a level playing-field with no auto merit allocation and then everyone has to rank up naturally. That would really sort the wheat from the chaff.

We all know getting merit is not easy. we post lots of quality post but still we didn't get any merit. In that time if we heard people selling their merit. that really frustration fact for us.


Your 19 posts consisting of 2 or three lines are not going to get you merit. Unless one of them says something profound and brilliant. Most posts that get merit take time and effort to compose.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2304374;sa=showPosts

Have a look at the type of posts that get merit: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats

Your motivation shouldn't be merit but making a contribution towards the forum. Posts for the sake of extracting merits are usually quite obvious to those that have merits to give.


He's a spam account belonging to a major account farmer. See the previous page: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4847725.msg43906035#msg43906035

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August 12, 2018, 12:37:07 PM
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Only one things is crystal clear though. If merit would have been introduced when this forum was launched, non of you legendary/ hero members would hold your current rank  Wink
I completely disagree with this. There are some users here on the forum that got many merits and they started from the bottom like nullius. If I remember correctly, he is a low ranked member here when the merit system has implemented but now he got so many merits but unfortunately, he is inactive right now.

I believe that we can get the required merits that we needed as long as we are not included in the most people here who are shitposting and spamming here. There are many members who got ranked up already. Those who are complaining the merit system are ones who can't contribute to the forum. Maybe I should include you or not?? Smiley JK

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Only one things is crystal clear though. If merit would have been introduced when this forum was launched, non of you legendary/ hero members would hold your current rank  Wink

Not true. I will have gone from Hero to Legendary as soon as I have the required activity and this is only in a matter of months. Merit isn't difficult for those who make quality contributions, but it is for those who are only here to make one/two liners to get paid. I wouldn't even be against everyone starting from a level playing-field with no auto merit allocation and then everyone has to rank up naturally. That would really sort the wheat from the chaff.


How is this then untrue?? this is the exact thing i am claiming, you gained rank easily since merit was not a factor back then. all you had to do is post stuff to get activity.
One of your first posts for example:

Mod give green light for it. But maybe we can suggest that the selling acc mark or something

Who gave you a green light for doing what?

Has essentially given you a merit. Lets see you getting a merit with a shitpost like that now.



Only one things is crystal clear though. If merit would have been introduced when this forum was launched, non of you legendary/ hero members would hold your current rank  Wink
I completely disagree with this. There are some users here on the forum that got many merits and they started from the bottom like nullius. If I remember correctly, he is a low ranked member here when the merit system has implemented but now he got so many merits but unfortunately, he is inactive right now.

I believe that we can get the required merits that we needed as long as we are not included in the most people here who are shitposting and spamming here. There are many members who got ranked up already. Those who are complaining the merit system are ones who can't contribute to the forum. Maybe I should include you or not?? Smiley JK

and you essentialy got a "merit' for this shit post so cut the crap people:

hello im a newbie too in the world of bitcoins
i know bitcoins for about a month or two but i ignored it because i didnt see the importance of this bitcoins..
but now i see the importance and i want to explore whats inside cryptocurrency
and i want to know it here in this website.. thanks  Smiley
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August 12, 2018, 01:08:31 PM
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Only one things is crystal clear though. If merit would have been introduced when this forum was launched, non of you legendary/ hero members would hold your current rank  Wink
I completely disagree with this. There are some users here on the forum that got many merits and they started from the bottom like nullius. If I remember correctly, he is a low ranked member here when the merit system has implemented but now he got so many merits but unfortunately, he is inactive right now.

I believe that we can get the required merits that we needed as long as we are not included in the most people here who are shitposting and spamming here. There are many members who got ranked up already. Those who are complaining the merit system are ones who can't contribute to the forum. Maybe I should include you or not?? Smiley JK

There are legendary accounts that would have trouble earning a single honest merit.

There are plenty of people that deserve to have a super legendary title that haven't bothered to rank up under even the old system.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=7314 (Vitalik Buterin) Ethereum Founder - Sr. Member (Member since 2011)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1954 (Wei Dai) creator of the Bitcoin predecessor b-money (1998) - Newbie (Member since 2010)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=101601 (adam3us) Creator of hashcash (1997) (Proof of Work) - Sr. Member (Member since 2013)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=249495 (Cøbra) Bitcoin.org domain administrator - Member (Member since 2014)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=4 (Sirius) Former domain administrator & first developer to work with Satoshi - Sr.Member (Members since 2009)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=143 (Lazlo) Of 10000 bitcoin pizza fame. Also developed some of the Mac Wallet code. - Full Member (Member since 2010)


There are also numerous legendary accounts that fully deserve their status. Their forum rank matches the respect I have for them.

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August 12, 2018, 01:12:29 PM
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Only one things is crystal clear though. If merit would have been introduced when this forum was launched, non of you legendary/ hero members would hold your current rank  Wink
I completely disagree with this. There are some users here on the forum that got many merits and they started from the bottom like nullius. If I remember correctly, he is a low ranked member here when the merit system has implemented but now he got so many merits but unfortunately, he is inactive right now.

I believe that we can get the required merits that we needed as long as we are not included in the most people here who are shitposting and spamming here. There are many members who got ranked up already. Those who are complaining the merit system are ones who can't contribute to the forum. Maybe I should include you or not?? Smiley JK

There are legendary accounts that would have trouble earning a single honest merit.

There are plenty of people that deserve to have a super legendary title that haven't bothered to rank up under even the old system.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=7314 (Vitalik Buterin) Ethereum Founder - Sr. Member (Member since 2011)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1954 (Wei Dai) creator of the Bitcoin predecessor b-money (1998) - Newbie (Member since 2010)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=101601 (adam3us) Creator of hashcash (1997) (Proof of Work) - Sr. Member (Member since 2013)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=249495 (Cøbra) Bitcoin.org domain administrator - Member (Member since 2014)

There are also numerous legendary accounts that fully deserve their status. Their forum rank matches the respect I have for them.

the question is simple. who overcomes who. the ones that deserve it or the ones who dont? and how about hero/sr/member? this we will never know, but I have my theory, and you are free to stick to yours.
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August 12, 2018, 01:32:10 PM
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the question is simple. who overcomes who. the ones that deserve it or the ones who dont? and how about hero/sr/member? this we will never know, but I have my theory, and you are free to stick to yours.

I doubt that any of the regular hero or legendary good posters on bitcointalk would have any trouble ranking up under the new system.

There are several people who joined just before or after the merit system was introduced that have more merit than they need and have to wait for their activity count to catch up.

If you can't regularly put together a post that deserves merit then why should you have a hero or legendary title ?

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August 12, 2018, 01:38:52 PM
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the question is simple. who overcomes who. the ones that deserve it or the ones who dont? and how about hero/sr/member? this we will never know, but I have my theory, and you are free to stick to yours.

I doubt that any of the regular hero or legendary good posters on bitcointalk would have any trouble ranking up under the new system.

You choose the account, ill provide 5 random shitposts.

There are several people who joined just before or after the merit system was introduced that have more merit than they need and have to wait for their activity count to catch up.


If you can't regularly put together a post that deserves merit then why should you have a hero or legendary title ?

then let's demote these legendary/hero/sr that post crap?
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August 12, 2018, 01:52:18 PM
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You choose the account, ill provide 5 random shitposts.
Pick me. I'm curious what you come up with.

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August 12, 2018, 01:56:03 PM
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You choose the account, ill provide 5 random shitposts.

I choose this account

What it will it prove ?


If you can't regularly put together a post that deserves merit then why should you have a hero or legendary title ?

then let's demote these legendary/hero/sr that post crap?

I have proposed that previously.  Grin

The option to send positive or negative merit.

Not every post has to be a merit-able post - but straight out crap posts that are inconsistent with the conversation deserve to be deleted.

Pick me. I'm curious what you come up with.

I did consider suggesting your account but I think you'll like the one I picked.   Wink

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August 12, 2018, 02:07:21 PM
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You choose the account, ill provide 5 random shitposts.

I choose this account

What it will it prove ?


not a merit worthy post#1
Thanks for that.  Which version of Windows?
not a merit worthy post#2
We have the standard icon sizes, and the full size scales nicely to anything else.

I added the full size to the first post.
not a merit worthy post#3
Sorry, I didn't test compile on linux the last few revisions.

Reverted makefile.unix.
not a merit worthy post#4
cant quote but this:
I uploaded the 93% complete Dutch translation to SVN.  Thanks!

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cant quote either but this:
Thanks DataWraith!  The German translation is uploaded to SVN.

This is great, we've already got 3 major languages.






If you can't regularly put together a post that deserves merit then why should you have a hero or legendary title ?

then let's demote these legendary/hero/sr that post crap?

I have proposed that previously.  Grin

The option to send positive or negative merit.

Not every post has to be a merit-able post - but straight out crap posts that are inconsistent with the conversation deserve to be deleted.


since we both agree on the 2nd point. and you were trying to be a smartass by giving me satoshis profile, where I have still provided 5 not merit worthy posts, the only logical way now to move forward is to demand these 5 merits removed from his account. Will you please be kind to open a thread about it?
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August 12, 2018, 02:11:15 PM
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I did consider suggesting your account but I think you'll like the one I picked.   Wink
I do, but it doesn't qualify, as satoshi is not a Hero or Legendary account Tongue But he already earned more than enough Merit to become Legendary, without making a single post Cheesy

not a merit worthy post#1
not a merit worthy post#2
not a merit worthy post#3
Your claim was to "provide 5 random shitposts". We can agree those posts aren't worth any Merit, and guess what: they didn't get any! But they're valuable posts, and right to the point.

Can you provide links to the posts?
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Thanks for the faucet memories Cheesy I disagree on your first one, it's ontopic and to the point. The second one (my sixth post on Bitcointalk!) is a shitpost indeed. I've deleted it.

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I did consider suggesting your account but I think you'll like the one I picked.   Wink
I do, but it doesn't qualify, as satoshi is not a Hero or Legendary account Tongue But he already earned more than enough Merit to become Legendary, without making a single post Cheesy

not a merit worthy post#1
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Your claim was to "provide 5 random shitposts". We can agree those posts aren't worth any Merit, and guess what: they didn't get any! But they're valuable posts, and right to the point.

Can you provide links to the posts?
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Thanks for the faucet memories Cheesy

just browse through his profile and you will see them yourself.

you missing the point smartpants. he did not get any merit because IT DID NOT EXIST BACK THEN. but he did , like you and your shitposts provided above-  gained a rank from them by sole activity count. my point is. YOU and the likes of you should be thankful that they managed to reach their position prior to merit being implemented. Cheesy


Also, I do not say merit is bad, I say it isnt perfect. but the problem here are people like you defending it at all costs just because it plays no role for you anymore - you've been lucky enough to not be bothered by it.
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You choose the account, ill provide 5 random shitposts.

If you're implying that those who shitpost occasionally should not rank up - that's not how it works. If the shitposts are bad enough then report them to the mods. If these users post only shit then they will not rank up and possibly get banned.

You only need ~1 merit per day on average to keep up with the "regular" rank-up schedule based on posts/activity. So it could be e.g. one brilliant post per month that earns you 30 merits even if the other posts are shit. I see merits as a way to say "I'd like to see more of these kinds of posts on Bitcointalk" and ranking-up is just a side effect. If the users complaining about merits adopted the same point of view we would be better off I think.

demand these 5 merits removed from his account

You seem to think that old accounts got 1 merit per post. Everyone got the same fixed amount based on their rank, so e.g. I got 1000 merits for 11-12k posts. But I'd be happy to give them up if you can go through my WHOLE post history and provide conclusive proof that I couldn't have possibly earned 1000 merits in 4 years. Then repeat it for every user that existed in January 2018 and we'll sort this merit debacle out once and for all.

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August 12, 2018, 02:22:41 PM
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you missing the point smartpants. he did not get any merit because IT DID NOT EXIST BACK THEN. but he did , like you and your shitposts provided above-  gained a rank from them by sole activity count. my point is. YOU and the likes of you should be thankful that they managed to reach their position prior to merit being implemented. Cheesy
My "position" has nothing to do with my rank. My signature campaign for example would pay me exactly the same if I'd be a Sr. Member (with just 250 Merit). Of course I've made bad posts, but mosts of my posts are not bad. That isn't something you can say about the average spammer.
I wish Merit wouldn't be necessary, but it is. And even now, most posts are just spam, probably made by bots. Complaining about Merit isn't make it go away. Good posts is what this forum needs.

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Also, I do not say merit is bad, I say it isnt perfect. but the problem here are people like you defending it at all costs just because it plays no role for you anymore - you've been lucky enough to not be bothered by it.
I've given 634 merit 591 times, to 318 profiles. But I've got much more accounts banned! I love seeing good posters, and Merit is how Newbies can quickly stand out.

You seem to think that old accounts got 1 merit per post. Everyone got the same fixed amount based on their rank, so e.g. I got 1000 merits for 11-12k posts. But I'd be happy to give them up if you can go through my WHOLE post history and provide conclusive proof that I couldn't have possibly earned 1000 merits in 4 years. Then repeat it for every user that existed in January 2018 and we'll sort this merit debacle out once and for all.
If you put it this way, jenia2 has a point: many of the current high ranking members haven't earned much Merit. And someone who hasn't earned much Merit since January, wouldn't have earned 1000 Merit in 4 years either. So yes, there's a windfall for old accounts, just like people who own Bitcoin for many years have a windfall.
That doesn't mean Merit is bad, it only means it should have been implemented sooner. But better late than never!

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How is this then untrue?? this is the exact thing i am claiming, you gained rank easily since merit was not a factor back then. all you had to do is post stuff to get activity.
One of your first posts for example:

Mod give green light for it. But maybe we can suggest that the selling acc mark or something

Who gave you a green light for doing what?

Has essentially given you a merit. Lets see you getting a merit with a shitpost like that now.

No it hasn't. I don't think you understand how merit works or what it is. I wasn't merited for that post, so if I made 1 million posts like that then I would literally get nowhere. My posts far eclipse my activity and posts that don't get any merit are irrelevant to your ranking without the required merit and I still had to get hundreds of merit which I have. So even if I started with zero merits I would have almost certainly made the requirements within the time-frames it takes to achieve merely activity over time. Short posts or ones that are not 'essays' don't equal 'shitposts' either. What about all those quality posts I made before the merit system that are now overlooked and will never get any merit?

In fact, I'm actually one of the top-merited users here:




Only one things is crystal clear though. If merit would have been introduced when this forum was launched, non of you legendary/ hero members would hold your current rank  Wink
I completely disagree with this. There are some users here on the forum that got many merits and they started from the bottom like nullius. If I remember correctly, he is a low ranked member here when the merit system has implemented but now he got so many merits but unfortunately, he is inactive right now.

I believe that we can get the required merits that we needed as long as we are not included in the most people here who are shitposting and spamming here. There are many members who got ranked up already. Those who are complaining the merit system are ones who can't contribute to the forum. Maybe I should include you or not?? Smiley JK

and you essentialy got a "merit' for this shit post so cut the crap people:

hello im a newbie too in the world of bitcoins
i know bitcoins for about a month or two but i ignored it because i didnt see the importance of this bitcoins..
but now i see the importance and i want to explore whats inside cryptocurrency
and i want to know it here in this website.. thanks  Smiley

You could make a million shitposts but they're wholly irrelevant if you don't get the additional merit. Even if you were a colossal shitposter who was here before merit without additional merit you're not going to move up ranks.

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You seem to think that old accounts got 1 merit per post. Everyone got the same fixed amount based on their rank, so e.g. I got 1000 merits for 11-12k posts. But I'd be happy to give them up if you can go through my WHOLE post history and provide conclusive proof that I couldn't have possibly earned 1000 merits in 4 years. Then repeat it for every user that existed in January 2018 and we'll sort this merit debacle out once and for all.

Let me save a lot of trouble.

You have 510 merits in less than 9 months. The previous four years you got 1000. You should have had 1720 more merits than you received under the old system (based on your monthly average) . I think you have been ripped off. You would have had 3230 merits by now.

For my contribution from Sept 2016 till January 2018 I got 100 merits. I got 478 from Jan 2018 till now.

Not everyone is as smart as Ddmrddmr and not everyone works as hard as theyoungmillionaire

Both their activity count has to increase before they can rank up  - new members won't need to earn merits as fast as they do.


since we both agree on the 2nd point. and you were trying to be a smartass by giving me satoshis profile, where I have still provided 5 not merit worthy posts, the only logical way now to move forward is to demand these 5 merits removed from his account. Will you please be kind to open a thread about it?

None of those posts are shitposts. None of them received merit.

Not every post has to be one that gets merit.

Satoshi hasn't posted since December 2010 - yet got 1111 merits under the new system. So he would have easily ranked up.

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If you put it this way, jenia2 has a point: many of the current high ranking members haven't earned much Merit. And someone who hasn't earned much Merit since January, wouldn't have earned 1000 Merit in 4 years either.

Perhaps. BTW I wouldn't mind seeing earned merit displayed separately from airdrop merit. So far it's not hard to see based on e.g. 1000 merit airdrop for Legendaries etc but it will get harder to figure out in the future. However it's clearly unfeasible to de-rank or re-evaluate old members, which is what jenia2 doesn't seem to acknowledge. Six months in it's time to move on.

You should have had 1720 more merits than you received under the old system (based on your monthly average) . I think you have been ripped off.

QFT, ima create 1720 merit complaint threads now, one for each merit I've been cheated out of.

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Please do something about this merit system..

It's unfair Sad

It's actually fair. It stops those users who come here like yourself just to earn by making low-quality contributions and spamming their way through the ranks. The only posts where you've put some effort in are all copy and pastes:

It seems to be a complex situation that has been pervasive to the crypto prices downside. At present, crypto market cap stands at $224 billion meanwhile the 24-hour trading value has been increased. Although, the increase in trading volume couldn’t stop cryptocurrency prices from the loss of record.

https://community.oilprice.com/topic/3186-whats-next-comes-in-bitcoin/

The rest are pure spam.

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August 12, 2018, 04:46:56 PM
Merited by sirazimuth (1), Lafu (1)
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Please do something about this merit system..

It's unfair Sad

I also need to add that the moderators on this forum are very unfair Sad

I spent 20 or maybe even 30 seconds looking up your plagiarized post but when I clicked "report" it was already gone. So quick, so unfair.

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