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October 19, 2011, 04:21:34 PM
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In other words, ignore my question, ignore my point, ignore the poor. You've actually ignored just about everything I've said about the poor in my last couple posts. More compassionate conservatism, I guess (lol, how long did that phrase last before you guys couldn't keep a straight face anymore). Fuck you.

Yes, some people are poor. What makes them poor is they have less money then the middle class. Who are middle class because they have less money than the rich. I'm in that chain well below rich.

If you fall on hard times, your family helps, your friends help, your neighbors help, your local community helps. You do what you can to be productive and help the people helping you. If they seem to be doing well while you are mysteriously unsuccessful you take their advice and quit fucking up. Yes, sometimes you lose your shit. But unless you are a real fuck up, you always have your family, friends, neighbors, and community. If you are such a sorry fuck that none of those people will help you. Then you ask a church for help. And when people who have pledged their eternal souls to helping those in need give up on you. Well then... Why the fuck should I give a fuck about you!

Most every argument I've ever had about such things tends to come down to dignity. "Why should I have to lower myself to ask for help?" Isn't the fact that "I'm in need" enough?

NO! It's not fucking enough! Ask for fucking help when you need fucking help. If no one will help you, it's not because the rest of the world is a bunch of bastards. It's because no one sees value, for you, in the path you've chosen for your life, AND you are not even attempting to provide any assistance to others. If nobody will help you, then they are giving you advice. Take it. Change your ways. Be decent. Be useful to someone. And quit fucking whining.

You know what's great about common people? They can only fuck up in minor easily fixable ways.
You know what's scary about leftists who give organizations nationally critical responsibilities? They fuck up in massively catastrophic ways.

The fuck ups have ZERO to do with motivation or belief in the right cause. It has nothing to do with absolute power corrupting absolutely.

The folks that fucked up the mortgage situation really were trying to help those who didn't own a home to buy a home. Those people were elected democratically by the people to work for the people, and they were. They were honestly trying to do that job in the way they saw as most helpful. They created massive bureaucracies like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. They promised *all us citizens* would guarantee repayment of mortgages defaulted on by random anonymous needy citizens who didn't have to convince their neighbors of their need or even shared commitment to the community. All they had to do was fill out a government form and "poof" they were in need. It is a dignity thing. People in need shouldn't have to publicize their need. They should just magically get the help "they need". And they did.

And how many needy but too dignified to ask people did there turn out to be? A SHIT LOAD!

It wasn't wanting to help that fucked things up. It was changing a need into an entitlement solely to preserve the dignity of the potential needy that fucked things up. It was using anonymous bureaucrats evaluating forms by well defined but ill conceived rules. It should have been folks with a vested interest looking other people directly in the eyes.

For christ sake people got loans for 9X their annual salary with no money down. Terms that didn't even required them to pay the full interest on the loan! Your folks (leftists/liberals/socialists) made me guarantee these anonymous "sweet heart" loans.

Now the needy but too dignified to ask for help are defaulting on their loans. Why? Because without the prospect of others getting even better "sweet heart" loans, no one is left to buy their home and relieve them of the debt that YOUR FOLKS made me entrust to them.

And you are asking me to feel sorry for the defaulter you shouldn't have given the loan to. And the builder you shouldn't have started building. And the real estate agent you shouldn't have started selling. And the home depot guy you shouldn't have started improving. Fuck yeah all of these people used to be doing great! You were giving them my money for free!

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The moral of the story is, don't trust ANY body or ANY organization with the power to fuck things up for EVERYBODY. Not Republicans. Not Democrats. Not even fucking God. Because whoever is given that responsibility will eventually fuck things up for everybody.

Spread the responsibility around even at the risk of non-optimality and non-conformance. Evolution shows that works best over the long term. Individuals will fuck up. We can fix individual fuck ups. Even leftists. But gather them all together and put their brightest in charge... That is a fuck up we cannot fix.

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So you want to know why I'm out of work?

Because I don't feel like fucking working. I quit. I live off of my personal savings from having been productive and having delayed personal gratification. Now I get to smile and be happy. I do what I fucking want (including trolling web forums). I pay my "fair share" of taxes, which thanks to your folks was actually negative last year. Yes, I quit work out of spite, and your folks gave me an earned income credits. (Woot! Go Left!)

And you know what? I'm not going to pay off the loans you made me guarantee. Nope. Not a penny.

You see, there's this valley in Colorado...
well that's another story.

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October 21, 2011, 02:03:55 AM
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JoelKatz, Evorhees, and Gavin,

You got mad Bitcoin smarts. There are a bunch of rtards on this forum (anyone reading this is of course wicked brilliant, and beautiful if you are a lady, which you aren't...) so I'm glad to hear your well thought out and level-headed responses.

Aren't "THE SKY IS FALLING!" people annoying the crap out of you?
Have some sympathy for people who lost ALOT of their hard earned money.

Anyone who lost their hard earned money investing/speculating/mining Bitcoins did so of their own free will.

Anyone crying about it now and blaming it on manipulators/speculators/early adopters/the Bitcoin "rich" or anyone other than themselves needs to take some personal responsibility.

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October 21, 2011, 02:22:28 AM
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JoelKatz, Evorhees, and Gavin,

You got mad Bitcoin smarts. There are a bunch of rtards on this forum (anyone reading this is of course wicked brilliant, and beautiful if you are a lady, which you aren't...) so I'm glad to hear your well thought out and level-headed responses.

Aren't "THE SKY IS FALLING!" people annoying the crap out of you?
Have some sympathy for people who lost ALOT of their hard earned money.

Anyone who lost their hard earned money investing/speculating/mining Bitcoins did so of their own free will.

Anyone crying about it now and blaming it on manipulators/speculators/early adopters/the Bitcoin "rich" or anyone other than themselves needs to take some personal responsibility.

I started accumulating around the time that Mt. Gox was down, and in a relatively hurried manner because I was concerned that it would become harder to do for regulatory reasons, and also was worried about the price going up.  I've been wrong about both, and am obviously deeply in the red.  Nobody should feel the least bit of sympathy for me since I was fully aware of the risk and even the developers warned strongly of the possibility when they mentioned it at all.  If anything people should be snickering at my condition and that is perfectly fine with me.  If anyone loses money going the other way, you can bet I'll be doing so.


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October 22, 2011, 07:36:29 PM
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What is confusing is that people are declaring it dead because it can't maintain a constant price after an increase over 1000 times? I really don't understand this. Somebody please tell me how Bitcoin is suffering right now? From what I am seeing it has had great progress. I don't see anything to complain about.
The volatility makes it less useful as a medium of exchange. If you accept 100 bitcoins in exchange for some hardware and the next day those 100 bitcoins are worth 15% less, you may wind up taking a loss on the transaction. This matters because you typically can't pay your employees, pay your utility bills, pay your rent, or pay your suppliers in bitcoins.

Otherwise, the price of a bitcoin measures a whole bunch of things mixed together. One of the things it measures is the collective opinion of the long-term viability of bitcoins as a medium of exchange. But that's mixed in with so many other factors that you really draw too many conclusions.

I think a lot of people just assume that a high price is good and a low price is bad without really thinking too much about it. They confuse the price of a bitcoin with things like the price of a company's stock.

But that why there are companies like bit-pay.

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