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August 17, 2018, 01:14:53 AM
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Erdogan and Turkey had better learn something very fast. Turkey is no match for the US. Either on an economical or a ballistic war front, US still has the upper hand. The earlier they realize this, the better for them. It appears to many people that Trump doesn't know what he is doing. And that there is what I think is his strength. He acts sporadically in a way that makes people underestimate his capabilities. The dollar might eventually lose its strength but that might not happen anytime soon.

More like his weakness, Trump's acts are like that of a child. No thought process goes through his mind. He is not a highschool student, but definitely acts like one. What capabilities? acting like a moron and taking decisions like a mad man? anyone can fulfill the role of a president like that.
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August 18, 2018, 12:47:15 AM
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TRUMP wins        we don't take orders from dictators   plus we need the pastor back   YEP  we need him back ..
1 MAN IS WORTH MORE THAN YOUR DICTATOR       1000 TIMES WORTH MORE.. Wink

If I was TURKEY I would hand him over    YOU might think your right BUT your not     your religious dogma is nothing to freedom   someone's free will comes first Wink
Your leader thinks he comes first Roll Eyes Roll Eyes  jeez  you dictators have a lot to learn Wink..

I bet if he doesn't let him go your leader will be the next hunted by freedom ..Take your choice let him go or your leaders head?..DICTATORS no time for them ..
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August 18, 2018, 03:53:35 AM
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I was ready to put money on the turkey BTW. In our neighborhood wild turkeys roam the streets in gangs of 15-20 and don't take shit from no one.

First things first, what the hell did I just read Suchmoon?Huh teehee.

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They could tell the US to pack up their military bases into a U-Haul truck and move them somewhere else.

But they won't. That would cause President Trump to really reign down upon them like hell in an attempt to humiliate Turkey -- as that is just how the President operates.

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The US dollar hasn't had any real value since they went off the gold standard, the only thing that is still giving it value is the fear of their massive military.

I mean this really does matter on how you define value, as the US dollar is the reserve currency for most nations in the world. And is probably going to continue to be until the end of time. The massive military is a big part of it, but you're forgetting the global banking domaince that the US has over other countries -- because if the US sanctions you-you're going to lose access to some of the worlds biggest, most powerful, and the most investing hungry portion of the world. That's not something you want to do.

Trump will beat Turkey in his attemept to get a foreign policy win with his brash policy. All he wants is his pastor home... that's it.





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August 19, 2018, 02:47:21 PM
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There are hot conflicts between USA and other countries. Trump has strict rules and dangerous ideas.

Nowadays, there is a crisis between USA and Turkey. Turkey's national currency getting lowest value in the history. 1 dolar = 6 Turkish liras.

Turkey has a strategic power in the Middle East. If something goes wrong between USA and Turkey it will affect whole Europe and Middle East.

So, why Turkey and Trump in a crisis right now?

It is not new, there are a lot of issues between these two country for many years. 2 years ago, there was a military coup attempt in Turkey which is lead by person who lives in USA, Fethullah Gulen. Therefore, Turkey wants him from USA but USA government rejected it.

2 months ago an American priest, Brunson , was arrested while helping to terrorists. Brunson has been living in Turkey many years and this means that he has been helping to terrorists for many years. These terrorist group called PKK and they killed a lot of people in Turkey and attempted many bloodsheds. Now, Trump wants Turkey to send him to USA, but Turkey doesn't.

These all are why Turkey and Trump in a crisis right now.
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August 19, 2018, 03:20:31 PM
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Countries are in competition with each other who will devalue their currency more (and first) towards the dollar.

Why? I go to my local "corner shop" and see that Ecuadorian bananas cost a fraction of dollar per kilo, an all-time-low in my history
of observations.
I go to my local gadget shops and see the same happens to PRC imports.
Neither Ecuadorian farmer, nor Chinese production line worker care about dollar rates. All they care about is parity between receiving country
currency and their own.
They will not reduce their exports just because of some silly sanctions, which scared "weak hands" from the developing market and boosted dollar.
US doesn't provide anything substantial in the loop between bananas - gas - nitrogen fertilizer or gadgets - rare earth elements.
OK, some forces in Ukraine caused it to import gas for $250-300 per thousand m3 instead of former $50, so fertilizers prices went up some.
But in the great scheme of things, where everything is continually getting cheaper because of optimizations of logistics etc., US plays no great role. You are stuck in the "exceptionalism" worldview.

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August 19, 2018, 05:14:26 PM
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Turkey did a pretty bad international relations. On every border they have enemies, and they managed to make angy their strongest ally. Not a good job Erdogan.
Which makes me think he acts in collusion with someone, wanting to get the heat off himself for a while.
I can imagine the best MSM forces are now thrown at bashing Erdogan, pitying and condescending him, temporarily forgetting their "real enemies".

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August 21, 2018, 04:10:26 AM
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I don't like Trump at all but I'll gladly take him over Erdogan any day.

Erdogan is a authoritarian who constantly increases his own powers and reduces the civil liberties of his citizens. He is always vying for more control over the media, attacking the free press with seizures and jailing journalists and rival politicians who dare to criticize him, even trying this with foreign editors. Don't just take my word for it, Reporters Without Borders calls Turkey "the world’s biggest prison for journalists."

He even said democracy and freedom have "no value" to him! He sees himself as the next best Turkish leader after Ataturk when he is the opposite. He is hostile to Kurds and leans towards radicalism.

This is a shame because Turkey is a beautiful place with beautiful people, it could have been a secular nation of freedom and tolerance - but Erdogan has another vision. One of hate and power.

I hope Turkey can eventually replace him with a better leader.
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August 21, 2018, 06:37:50 AM
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JUST IN: Turkey's finance minister says the US dollar has 'lost its credibility'

Source: CNN
So what? Are they gonna go to war with the US? I just read an article about Russia saying the similar thing. The funny thing was though that they had quotes from Russia saying the same thing earlier this year and every year for the past 5 years or so. I don't think this quote from one minister is actually going to mean anything. What are they doing to do about it?

Yeah but the difference here is that Russia is the second largest military power in the world, manufactures nuclear weapons, and can support its economy by exporting petrol. Turkey has textiles and vegetables to keep its economy afloat.

There's a lot of senseless aggression going on right now between many powers. It seems like someone wanted to stir up the markets a bit and cause some chaos in emerging markets. Turkey doesn't seem the least bit concerned by the fact that they are teetering on the verge of an economic crisis, almost as if they are enjoying the ride. What could be their motive?
Russia is the second power by the number of nuclear warheads. But all of them are in such condition that a large part of them do not fly. Lol! Russia is a collapsed Empire that can not accept this. Erdogan wants to do the same with Turkey. I find it funny when rogue States oppose themselves to country number one.

Country number one? Rouge states? Well, looks like some more American Exceptionalism at its best. Finest exporters of democracy in the 21st century. Too bad those receiving states of democracy all turn into smouldering messes afterwards because their citizens somehow don't think in the same way as Westerners do. What a surprise.

The USA is just as bad as anyone else, but they are the best at lying about it to cover it up. They have the sharpest tools of perception management (which other states are starting to pick up on as well now) to make sure that every move they make is only for the greater good of the world. But many parts of the world can't handle a democracy model like theirs, and never needed it in the first place.
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August 22, 2018, 02:22:08 AM
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JUST IN: Turkey's finance minister says the US dollar has 'lost its credibility'

Source: CNN
So what? Are they gonna go to war with the US? I just read an article about Russia saying the similar thing. The funny thing was though that they had quotes from Russia saying the same thing earlier this year and every year for the past 5 years or so. I don't think this quote from one minister is actually going to mean anything. What are they doing to do about it?
Making a statement about dollar is not a declaration of war.
Unfortunately, after statements and actions re. dollar trade in oil Lybia and Iraq were attacked, their leaders killed.
But that was easy for US to do when such statements were sparce in time, like 1 every 2 years.
Now everyone looks at what China will do with her US treasuries.

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August 22, 2018, 02:29:04 AM
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But many parts of the world can't handle a democracy model like theirs, and never needed it in the first place.
For example, before Christianization around 1030 years ago Russia had it's own form of socialism and democracy.
Then it was subverted and invaded.
Marxists-leninists (so called) of course didn't enjoy the fact of Socialism existing before feudalism - which didn't fit into theory.
Now there's a myth "they were savages, half-beasts before Cyrill and Methodius,
couldn't write". While in fact Novgorod had letters exchanged between lowest ranks of society. But the myth is profitable
to both marxists and "traditionalists".
History is written by invaders.

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August 22, 2018, 10:27:46 AM
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I agree that Erdogan "is an authoritarian", but it's so nice to hear that someone says "no" to the greasy and greedy America. I support for the Turks, let God help them.
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August 22, 2018, 07:14:25 PM
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I agree that Erdogan "is an authoritarian", but it's so nice to hear that someone says "no" to the greasy and greedy America. I support for the Turks, let God help them.

sure, saying no to America takes balls, but saying no and not thinking about the possible repercussions is just playing with the fate of your people. That in my opinion is an act a president should not commit. I don't see the Turkish Lira recover any time soon if Erdogan doesn't do thing differently. Let's see what the future beholds.
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August 23, 2018, 07:14:31 AM
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But many parts of the world can't handle a democracy model like theirs, and never needed it in the first place.
For example, before Christianization around 1030 years ago Russia had it's own form of socialism and democracy.
Then it was subverted and invaded.
Marxists-leninists (so called) of course didn't enjoy the fact of Socialism existing before feudalism - which didn't fit into theory.
Now there's a myth "they were savages, half-beasts before Cyrill and Methodius,
couldn't write". While in fact Novgorod had letters exchanged between lowest ranks of society. But the myth is profitable
to both marxists and "traditionalists".
History is written by invaders.

Oh yes, certainly. They only need to make the stories work for themselves in order to present a certain viewpoint to further their agendas. Perception management. This happens a lot during wars because they want to lay the blame on the other side. Also in terms of casualty numbers in order to make it seem worse than it really was.

Most people of Turkey believe right now that the USA is directly responsible for their currency crisis when in fact it was them who instigated it. But they have the support of most of their population, so it's all that matters.
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