Lauda, MinerJones, Blazed | Missing escrow funds

[allahabadi]

Accused mainly by (1) people red-tagged by Lauda, and (2) Quicksy's gang of alts.

I'm neither

I don't believe you.

Coming from you, that's rich... 

But yeah still to see a rational response on part of escrows.


BTW Wasn't Blazed a sold account ?

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[Deena]

I don't know why this thread is locked https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4566587.0 and wapinter got positive ratings LOL
https://archive.li/Vhzcv.

Wapinter used to be tagged red. Do you have a screenshot or an archive about that? It may be handy in other threads. He was probably 'untagged' because he now cooperates with Lauda in bounty campaigns. You can send his former red tag proof to me through PM, otherwise there will be complaints about going off topic here.

this is not about Lauda. This is about what happened with the NVO money and what the escrows did. And there where three (four) of them: Lauda, MinerJones, Blazed and (CoinPayments).

This is not about some abstract escrow service either. It is about the escrow service and therefore also about MinerJones, Blazed and Lauda.

Team members of scam projects are also not considered as innocent. Right?

Back to the topic and waiting to see Lauda stats.

[endlasuresh]

I don't know why this thread is locked https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4566587.0 and wapinter got positive ratings LOL
https://archive.li/Vhzcv.

Wapinter used to be tagged red. Do you have a screenshot or an archive about that? It may be handy in other threads. He was probably 'untagged' because he now cooperates with Lauda in bounty campaigns. You can send his former red tag proof to me through PM, otherwise there will be complaints about going off topic here.

While I was in his bounty seen he was tagged, but now i am not participating because he is major Scammer and don't credit the tokens or stakes.
Here is a link where Digaran was saying about wapinter Tagged
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2768374.msg41055834#msg41055834

Still not seeing stats about the Money that has been escrowed by these 3 plus 1 people.

[Max199131]

While I was in his bounty seen he was tagged, but now i am not participating because he is major Scammer and don't credit the tokens or stakes.
Here is a link where Digaran was saying about wapinter Tagged
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2768374.msg41055834#msg41055834

Still not seeing stats about the Money that has been escrowed by these 3 plus 1 people.

And there won't be any stats... Ton himself said "if you don't trust us wait for the spreadsheet from escrows..." just for Lauda to tell the investors that she won't release any info or TXID about the released milestones, even if after a question like "will you tell US (the investors) to which addresses the milestones were released" she answered "I didn't plan on compiling that but I can" as you can see in the screenshot...

https://i.imgur.com/qVPD26u.jpg

https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/282170246#o=1 the milestone released in December... 60BTC for example still sitting in the account of the team...
Plus I've tracked another 30 which probably are/were still in control of the team as a few days ago... https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/334679638#i=0 (30BTC send a few hours after the first questions about the remaining funds from the team were raised...)

[Deena]

While I was in his bounty seen he was tagged, but now i am not participating because he is major Scammer and don't credit the tokens or stakes.
Here is a link where Digaran was saying about wapinter Tagged
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2768374.msg41055834#msg41055834

Well, rest asured. Wapinter is red again after suchmoon took proper responsibility. Now Lauda should take responsibility by stopping his cooperation with Wapinter and of course in this thread by posting the requested information.

Cooperation with a scam posting bounty manager and running a scamming escrow service (and a whole lot more). And I get tagged for understandably calling Lauda's nature 'scammy'? This person has so much scam in his aura that he really and finally should be kicked out of DT. Or is he going to post the requested information here proving his escrow innocence?

[vlom]

this has to be posted here too. bump.

It does seem to be that way.  Until funds are moved to a public address and the address signed by an escrow agent, I would advise everyone to hold the appropriate parties responsible for this lack of transparency.  The only reasons that Lauda would not move funds to a public address and sign it is 1) he's lying about the amount of funds raised, or 2) he's lying about what he's been using those funds for.  Escrows work for the buyers, not the ICO.  If they are refusing to show your money and account for it, they have effectively already scammed you, regardless of the outcome.

thank you for pointing this out. That's a good assessment and summary

[Boudali.Miloud]

It might also dispel the rumors that those coins were sold and the proceeds used to partially reimburse Coinpayments users who lost all of their XRP in the “hack” of June 5/17.

Who exactly is spreading these rumors and where? Another shill account spreading nonsense.

Why are you replying to a post that shouldn’t concern you in any way?

Also, do you not see the hypocrisy in your statement which claims that mine is a shill account, while yours is currently shilling 24/7 for “FortuneJack”, an online gambling site?
Tell me something: Do you fully endorse this site and the social harm it causes or do you hold your nose when you count the coins they send you each week?

In any event, pls run along now and finish selling all of the altcoins that you sent to Bittrex more than a year ago.

[BTCforJoe]

Just read all four pages of this. There is a simple solution, as @OgNasty stated. Sign a message from the account that controls the escrowed bitcoin.

Why subject yourself to all of this unnecessary "trolling" if you can simply prove that the funds are still there and in control of all or any of the aforementioned escrows?

Seems real simple to me.

[Boudali.Miloud]

@OgNasty, vlom and others who are not yet Legendary.

These are the btc escrow addresses, the dates they were created and the initial btc balances:

Address	Date created	Balance
3AiGej11G8jUXvEBPvQKPLiHXC7ruUCp1Z	2017-05-22 17:43:59	0
3QV4kZtdzE8S2XdYXMbYQrgaJYBfDnypCC	2017-08-03 22:33:41	1497.22346798
354jirex7gkFxMiNmN45SxyMxSUsdGcrsf	2017-08-05 18:38:36	1497.22086451
3ECo88VpXVaYSongyYxTYKLHNw16J1cRLK	2017-11-24 17:05:05	1593.96883892
3Bcy5PXBjHdv5Vh3x3w8Fsi5RFPsuZzfvq	2017-12-14 23:53:50	1313.96466437
3D8LSnVv3DvwkXdmTtAsUzygeQUzpDJcPv	2018-01-07 20:39:11	1313.96255714
38PtcLxfmaNJnYHJR4Kpy2qXUFHkaTq8RX	2018-06-28 16:15:02	1243.96201852
36Uh2ine6UzWGPTDYdENqS6pj6Rzx4Q67R	2018-07-20 19:43:09	1143.96193946

Pls note the unexplained removal of 170 btc from escrow starting on June 28/18, the one year anniversary of the end of the crowdsale.

[Boudali.Miloud]

And these are the altcoin escrow addresses, the dates they were created and the initial balances:

Coin	Address	Date created	Balance
DASH	XvL4uRRnwhwDiCUTSJB4Kp2JeWom9ZBkrC	2017-07-02 04:34:38	1,916.58818631 dash
DOGE	DLN2kTLDiMm6qsGoR1uCgPm1sZqa3ouxzF	2017-07-04 14:36:34	23,580,328.23162458 doge
ETH	0x3EAE795303522b8FBff85bB113E2EE4eabfAce9A	2017-08-08 06:36:20	6,478.235883 eth
ETC	0x00d3B8f4739870D66383e15C4693CEd012178ba1	10 Aug 2017, 10:53	4,126.0107 ETC
LTC	LiUAhNeKWXEC2Kj875QGM4inoPEXiPhw2w	2017-07-01 22:48:07	7,807.37375203 LTC
maidsafecoin	1Mt7MCS6b6hemmL63hZjAdLtbqxCVmh2CZ	11/27/2016 7:42:57 AM	765,482 maid
waves	3PB7m9gLbUs3VVQEKkSuWL4QTvc4xg3UvGC	2017-07-05 11:15:15	31,108.76280603 waves
ripple	rwdLr5vj7tg63FrEN7hdJaVQVPHieXgBAL	2017-08-08 15:45	1,270,586 xrp

Pls note that all of the escrowed altcoins with the exception of ETC and some MAID were sent to Bittrex in July and August of 2017.
Who moved the Dash, Doge and Waves (worth usd $775,000 at the time) is unknown since nvo has never publicly stated which escrow was put in charge of those coins.

In an interesting twist, why “unknown” decided to remove 10 etc from the escrow address earlier today is unknown at this time.

[Lauda]

Why subject yourself to all of this unnecessary "trolling" if you can simply prove that the funds are still there and in control of all or any of the aforementioned escrows?

I'm not sure what's more funny, the fact that people think they're entitled to make such a request or that they think that there is a standard for signing messages from multisig. Actually, it's rather sad how ignorant and/or envious you (not directed @you) have to be to do so.
There was absolutely no proof provided for any of these claims, thus there is absolutely no public proof necessary to counter any of these claims. This is QS shenanigans all over again. Some people never seem to learn.

[AwesomeVinc]

"a secondary Slack channel that was created in an unsuccessful attempt to assert control of the community"

Okay guys, calm down. Like what is this all about.

First of all the second Slack channel was created by me.
Secondary, the slack wasn't an 'unsuccessful' attempt.
It was legitimately 'ended' due to the fact, that the original Slack channel was recovered.

Not really hard to understand.

[allahabadi]

Just read all four pages of this. There is a simple solution, as @OgNasty stated. Sign a message from the account that controls the escrowed bitcoin.

Why subject yourself to all of this unnecessary "trolling" if you can simply prove that the funds are still there and in control of all or any of the aforementioned escrows?

Seems real simple to me.

Isn't it clear why?

Either there is some issue or the self-pompous-entitled bastard pussy is too arrogant and busy to respond.


P.S.: On second thoughts definitely not busy if the individual can come here to mock others.

[vlom]

@Boudali.Miloud
do you mind telling us the source?

[OgNasty]

I'm not sure what's more funny, the fact that people think they're entitled to make such a request or that they think that there is a standard for signing messages from multisig. Actually, it's rather sad how ignorant and/or envious you (not directed @you) have to be to do so.
There was absolutely no proof provided for any of these claims, thus there is absolutely no public proof necessary to counter any of these claims. This is QS shenanigans all over again. Some people never seem to learn.

You don't get the benefit of the doubt.  You're supposed to be transparent as an escrow.  It is clear that you are acting as escrow for one scam after another, always making sure to have a scapegoat to take the blame for you.  Many people are sick of watching this BS.  Sign an address and prove the funds.

You can sign a message with multiple private keys and thus have multiple signatures, as with a multisig address. However, that would not map to a multisig address but rather three signatures with each one mapping to the three public keys used in the multisig address.

EDIT: Funny how Lauda is the one who hides other people's funds from them and refuses to show them the 3,000 BTC he has claimed, but now he uses this as a reason to leave me negative trust?

[Rmcdermott927]

So, let’s recap. 

You have 3000 BTC of funds in escrow. 

You have multiple people in this thread, likely people whose funds you are holding in escrow, requesting proof that you have those funds still. 

You claim to have moved those funds to an exchange. (A horrendously irresponsible thing for an escrow to do)

You refuse to sign a message or even provide them with an address where the funds are being held, after numerous requests.

You changed your escrow rules in March, to include that you keep forked coins for yourself, months after you already had these funds in your possession.

Is there anything stated here that is incorrect?

[Quickseller]

I haven't had a lot of time to look through the details of this specific case, however I cannot say I am surprised money is missing from an escrow being handled by MinerJones and Lauda.

This is not the first time Lauda and MJ have been involved in shady escrow business, in fact I called them out on shady escrow dealings over a year ago when they refused to cover losses due to their alleged incompetence.

Lauda, MJ and blazed were also advertising (more proof) for something that was almost certainly a scam, being run by a then brand new account.

I am however very surprised that they were trusted with 3000 BTC of other people's money, even at My 2017 prices. 

[marlboroza]

All the alt coins were converted to BTC last year after the ICO...total investment was 3055 BTC per a post from Lauda.

Nope not true , they did not got converted last year.
The Post from Lauda back than was only the conversion rates so everybody could calculate how much nvst he will get it never states that they directly convert the alts to btc
and they didnt convert them.

Hello newbie account activated after 10 months of inactivity:



And straight to scam accusation board:

Nope not true , they did not got converted last year.

Can you explain us from where did you get this information and can you show us proofs of your claim?

And these are the altcoin escrow addresses, the dates they were created and the initial balances:

Coin	Address	Date created	Balance
DASH	XvL4uRRnwhwDiCUTSJB4Kp2JeWom9ZBkrC	2017-07-02 04:34:38	1,916.58818631 dash
DOGE	DLN2kTLDiMm6qsGoR1uCgPm1sZqa3ouxzF	2017-07-04 14:36:34	23,580,328.23162458 doge
ETH	0x3EAE795303522b8FBff85bB113E2EE4eabfAce9A	2017-08-08 06:36:20	6,478.235883 eth
ETC	0x00d3B8f4739870D66383e15C4693CEd012178ba1	10 Aug 2017, 10:53	4,126.0107 ETC
LTC	LiUAhNeKWXEC2Kj875QGM4inoPEXiPhw2w	2017-07-01 22:48:07	7,807.37375203 LTC
maidsafecoin	1Mt7MCS6b6hemmL63hZjAdLtbqxCVmh2CZ	11/27/2016 7:42:57 AM	765,482 maid
waves	3PB7m9gLbUs3VVQEKkSuWL4QTvc4xg3UvGC	2017-07-05 11:15:15	31,108.76280603 waves
ripple	rwdLr5vj7tg63FrEN7hdJaVQVPHieXgBAL	2017-08-08 15:45	1,270,586 xrp

Pls note that all of the escrowed altcoins with the exception of ETC and some MAID were sent to Bittrex in July and August of 2017.

Looking at trust feedback "alt of.." I suppose this is correct info, right?

@OP who was used to escrow doge, dash and waves?

@lauda

All the alt coins were converted to BTC last year after the ICO...total investment was 3055 BTC per a post from Lauda.

Which is nonsense that I have never said. Unfortunately, they were not all liquidated instantly (had they been, there would be more money to repay).

They were sent to exchange in different dates. Were they liquidated as they reached exchange? How many btc are in escrow wallet at the moment?

[endlasuresh]

@Boudali.Miloud
do you mind telling us the source?

Ethereum source is here https://www.reddit.com/r/NVO/comments/6w6qsv/ethereum_contributed_to_got_dumped_into_bittrex/

[Lauda]

You have 3000 BTC of funds in escrow.  

Never claimed this. Out of the 4 escrows, I have held the sole keys to the least amount of coin and yet here you are accusing me of doing what I couldn't do.

You claim to have moved those funds to an exchange. (A horrendously irresponsible thing for an escrow to do)

Wrong; I have never claimed this.

You refuse to sign a message or even provide them with an address where the funds are being held, after numerous requests.

Asking the impossible. It's no surprise that neither you nor your master understand how Bitcoin works.

You changed your escrow rules in March, to include that you keep forked coins for yourself, months after you already had these funds in your possession.

Wrong.

@OP who was used to escrow doge, dash and waves?

Why are you asking account OP? Doge -> kitty; Dash -> Blazed; Waves -> nobody IIRC (it wasn't feasible to deploy and the amount invested negligible).

They were sent to exchange in different dates. Were they liquidated as they reached exchange? How many btc are in escrow wallet at the moment?

Depends on the alt. I can't restore exact details (just estimates) as you've noticed in that trust rating. 1,151.92087268 BTC.
Bonus point: There was never 3k BTC to begin with. By now, if you've spent more than 5 minutes reading into the truth (i.e. via the actual communication channel which is TG) you would know why the conversation post to ~3050 BTC was made and what it was used for.
If necessary, I'll look for an impartial DT member to audit the information that I have. Open to volunteers as well.