What do you need merits for?

[katelynsk]

As far as I can see, system of merits here is some sort of reputation. It serves to distinguish experts in cryptography from inexperienced users, that is quite useful inside the forum, since we know how much we can trust a certain user. And of course, merits can serve as a moral encouragement for the help given to others.

And, consequently, they mean nothing if we got them in a different (undeserved) way. In addition, outside this website, these merits don't mean anything and can not be used at all. So, why do so many users try to get them from the very beginning of their registration, as if this is their main goal on the forum? It seemed to me that merits should be just a tool, not an ultimate purpose.

Numerous daily posts like "How to get merits", thousands of similar responses to posts only worsen the state of the community and do not do any good, but kill communication, don't they? Or, maybe, I've missed something?

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[AdolfinWolf]

Uhh, they're needed to rank up? Merits themselves are really not an indicator of how trustworthy someone is. I'd say the Trust system fulfilles that role much better.

And, consequently, they mean nothing if we got them in a different (undeserved) way. In addition, outside this website, these merits don't mean anything and can not be used at all. So, why do so many users try to get them from the very beginning of their registration, as if this is their main goal on the forum? It seemed to me that merits should be just a tool, not an ultimate purpose.

Because they want to rank up, obviously.

[cabalism13]

You haven't missed anything, in fact, you already said the good points there and foremost you also given a statement that is relatively done by the others.

You can't force them to live a life just like yours.
With their little brain as a gold fish, I think there would be some conflicts on their heads if you try to discuss it thoroughly and clearly that Merits should stay away from the likes of them.

This Merits have suck it all, it destroyed everything really, especially the minds of every individual here.

Uhh, they're needed to rank up? Merits themselves are really not an indicator of how trustworthy someone is. I'd say the Trust system fulfilles that role much better.

Indeed. But, we have the fact that it wasnt still enough.

[Vod]

Numerous daily posts like "How to get merits", thousands of similar responses to posts only worsen the state of the community and do not do any good, but kill communication, don't they? Or, maybe, I've missed something?

I see the way you posted garbage in Meta to complain about garbage in Meta...

[TMAN]

Numerous daily posts like "How to get merits", thousands of similar responses to posts only worsen the state of the community and do not do any good, but kill communication, don't they? Or, maybe, I've missed something?

I see the way you posted garbage in Meta to complain about garbage in Meta...

The Irony is strong here

[dionisi]

Merit is needed for

1) Ranking up : A member needs merits to rank up now in addition to activity points.

2) Rewarding users making quality posts : The forum needs merit system so as to reward users making quality posts. This distinguishes them from members who are here to spam.

[hilariousetc]

What do you need merits for?

For the same reason Morgan Freeman starred in London Has Fallen:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzJVH6OdqWo

As far as I can see, system of merits here is some sort of reputation.

Not really. It's a system to reward posts that are deemed useful or meritorious and to distinguish a shitposter from the rest and prevent them from abusing the ranking system by contributing little to nothing here over multiple alt accounts. There's a huge problem here of people making very low-quality contributions just to farm accounts to use for claiming bounties. The merit system is a way to try curb this.

It serves to distinguish experts in cryptography from inexperienced users, that is quite useful inside the forum, since we know how much we can trust a certain user. And of course, merits can serve as a moral encouragement for the help given to others.

I'm not an expert in cryptography, however, I am one of the most merited users here (not tying to suck my own dick). I got most of my merits in Meta from helping out and proposing solutions to the many issues here. Merits are not an indicator of how trustworthy you are either.

And, consequently, they mean nothing if we got them in a different (undeserved) way. In addition, outside this website, these merits don't mean anything and can not be used at all.

Ranks on this forum mean nothing elsewhere as well, just as Reddit karma means nothing here either. Merits are a system for this forum not any other.

So, why do so many users try to get them from the very beginning of their registration, as if this is their main goal on the forum? It seemed to me that merits should be just a tool, not an ultimate purpose.

I reckon you already know the answer to this, but merits aren't their true goal. Merits are actually in the way of achieving what they came here to do and that is simply to earn money. To earn more money you need a higher ranked account to get a bigger signature. To do that you need merits. That's why they're desperate for them.

Numerous daily posts like "How to get merits", thousands of similar responses to posts only worsen the state of the community and do not do any good, but kill communication, don't they? Or, maybe, I've missed something?

There are bigger issues here than the people creating threads about merits, but practice what you preach.

[TheUltraElite]

As far as I can see, system of merits here is some sort of reputation.

Shows you to be a perfect newbie in the forum who does not read stickies and older threads before making a new one. Welcome to the forum's Meta section.

It serves to distinguish experts in cryptography from inexperienced users, that is quite useful inside the forum, since we know how much we can trust a certain user.

Experts, LMAO. I got more than 100 merits earned and do I look like an expert in crypto/cryptography? Hell no.

And of course, merits can serve as a moral encouragement for the help given to others.

To some extent. It helps to recognize who makes good comments than those who shitpost to rank up.

And, consequently, they mean nothing if we got them in a different (undeserved) way. In addition, outside this website, these merits don't mean anything and can not be used at all. So, why do so many users try to get them from the very beginning of their registration, as if this is their main goal on the forum? It seemed to me that merits should be just a tool, not an ultimate purpose.

People need merits to rank up.

Numerous daily posts like "How to get merits", thousands of similar responses to posts only worsen the state of the community and do not do any good, but kill communication, don't they? Or, maybe, I've missed something?

You missed it totally since you created this thread which was pointless.

[Welsh]

Depending on your intentions for the forum, you might not need merit. A few users are here just to discuss about Bitcoin, and related technology, and don't need merit per say. Most users will want merit to join signature campaigns though.

[TMAN]

1) use search facility
2) punch yourself in the face for being a useless poster
3) moan about merits again
4) life is so unfair

[hilariousetc]

Depending on your intentions for the forum, you might not need merit. A few users are here just to discuss about Bitcoin, and related technology, and don't need merit per say. Most users will want merit to join signature campaigns though.

This is the thing. Merit doesn't actually effect anyone's ability to merely post or discuss things here (you know, what this forum is actually for). It only effects your ability to earn and that's why people are annoyed. The people who open threads complaining about merit are the users who have only joined this forum in the first place just because they were told you could earn money easily here. Now it's not that simple or easy. Merit doesn't stop them shitposting though and there are new ICO campaigns that pop up every month that are happy to pay them, they just won't ever rise through the ranks and will remain indefinite Juniors until they up their posting game. I think we should even go further and remove signatures from Juniors or at least require some token amount of merit to become one. That would really put a spanner in the works of the worst sorts of posters because they wouldn't even be able to earn anything all then until they've at least done something to get the merit.

[Welsh]

I think we should even go further and remove signatures from Juniors or at least require some token amount of merit to become one. That would really put a spanner in the works of the worst sorts of posters because they wouldn't even be able to earn anything all then until they've at least done something to get the merit.

I'm normally against imposing too many restrictions, but honestly I think the pros greatly outweigh the cons on this one. Most of the spam is coming from low ranked members posting garbage, and they don't really care whether they get reported, banned or whatever because its easy to just make another account, and continue spamming. Let's not mention that these types of users already have an alt army that they abuse bounties with.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

1) use search facility
2) punch yourself in the face for being a useless poster
3) moan about merits again
4) life is so unfair

One I keep seeing is - ‘The rich get richer’

[LogitechMouse]

Merit is needed in order for newbies like you to post some garbage thread in Meta.

Merit must be removed so that these new users can't post garbage threads like these . Do something please. Do something 

[shilpyh]

Merit required for upgrade from rank. And the payment of signature campaign depends on forum rank. So to earn more money you have to earn more merit.

[pugman]

I need merits so that I can have sex with my alts, also I can use them to bribe theymos. How can you not know that?

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I think we should even go further and remove signatures from Juniors or at least require some token amount of merit to become one.

I agree with both of these suggestions.  I just wish we could make it happen.

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Most of the spam is coming from low ranked members posting garbage

They'll deny this of course, but it's true.  It's going to become even more true as more accounts are created and those accounts are unable to earn enough merit to rank up past Jr. Member.

[Hexah]

Merit is not needed because when you need it you can't live with it. I guess it's more of a want some in good way but mostly those who did it in good way are for Learning (helping also others in the forum) but others do it in filthy way and they throw away the L (loyalty) just for earning.

[Steamtyme]

I need them to make some of this stuff all the kids are talking about meritjuana, it's great it cures illnesses like shitpostidia, and accountfarmingitis.

The forum was greatly afflicted by both, some say it almost died; thankfully it's on the road to recovery. Though those diseases have left their mark on the forum and are still appearing, we are on the road to recovery.

It also makes you look cool when you can score some meritjuana on your own, using skills like reading, comprehending, and writing.

[nngella]

In my case, i reallt want to rank up and enjoy some privileges of it.  Especially having an avatar! 

Think of having a profile with a meme as an avatar!  Meme is life you know.  I really want to have a meme as my avatar hence I need to rank up, and ranking up needs merit.