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November 14, 2019, 01:06:24 AM
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That solar powered solar eclipse that I gave away, went to a well respected member of this forum. Glad that he got it.

Me too, I am hoping the silver mini #83 will show up in one of the two remaining boxes owned by members on this forum.  As far as I know there are only three boxes left unopened unless there are some that have been tucked away and never opened.

I can assure you that there are probably dozens of Ginter X cases — not boxes, cases — left sealed and unopened. That's what pro card sellers do. They buy several cases at a time, store them sealed and in pristine condition, then place them on the market years later. Just because we don't see them on eBay doesn't mean they don't exist. (Lots of negatives in that sentence, but you know what I mean.)

However, I do hope that you pull the silver mini in one of your remaining boxes. It would be nice to see it found by a forum member. Good luck.

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November 14, 2019, 04:31:00 AM
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jeez, i should probably pull all mine out, and the trusty 1980's blacklight to check. Tongue

Just a heads up, if you have the silver glossy #83 or the glow in the dark, hang onto those since they are no longer being made.   Cool Cool

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November 14, 2019, 04:33:33 AM
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That solar powered solar eclipse that I gave away, went to a well respected member of this forum. Glad that he got it.

Me too, I am hoping the silver mini #83 will show up in one of the two remaining boxes owned by members on this forum.  As far as I know there are only three boxes left unopened unless there are some that have been tucked away and never opened.

I can assure you that there are probably dozens of Ginter X cases — not boxes, cases — left sealed and unopened. That's what pro card sellers do. They buy several cases at a time, store them sealed and in pristine condition, then place them on the market years later. Just because we don't see them on eBay doesn't mean they don't exist. (Lots of negatives in that sentence, but you know what I mean.)

However, I do hope that you pull the silver mini in one of your remaining boxes. It would be nice to see it found by a forum member. Good luck.

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i don't doubt your experience, but when the boxes go for 500 bucks that has to get one's attention.  Do they think this crypto card is going to go even higher!!??  The rookies for that year are ok, but there is no George Brett, right?

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November 14, 2019, 12:56:28 PM
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jeez, i should probably pull all mine out, and the trusty 1980's blacklight to check. Tongue

Just a heads up, if you have the silver glossy #83 or the glow in the dark, hang onto those since they are no longer being made.   Cool Cool

if you see a glossy of any card, please post a picture or link.  Never seen one a full-size one if that is what you mean.

The hot box silver glossy is on the first page of this thread.  There are a few for sale on ebay.
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i don't doubt your experience, but when the boxes go for 500 bucks that has to get one's attention.  Do they think this crypto card is going to go even higher!!??  The rookies for that year are ok, but there is no George Brett, right?

Please feel free to doubt my experience. I won't take offense. It's good to question. I've only been doing this as long as most of you. I just happen to be researching/buying/investing in many more baseball cards than just the A&G/Ginter cards. I've spent a lot of time learning about baseball cards, the brands, the market, the long-term investment aspect, and the cyclical selling/distribution of those cards. (I've got quite an impressive collection of Javier Baez rookie cards.) For example, it's common advice not to bother selling your baseball cards from after the post-season has ended until spring training has started. Those months are very slow for baseball card sales, and the prices fall dramatically. An exception is Christmas sales. Plus, sales go in short cycles depending on the release date of the next series released. For example, if Topps Chrome cards are released on July 1, then they will be the hot card to buy/flip/sell until the Bowman Chrome cards are released on September 1. At that time, most pro sellers are busy chasing the new releases, so they're less interested in the older releases. That's why interest seems to die off. The cards aren't all gone. They're simply being saved for later years in hopes that the cases will someday be worth a lot more money. It's a long-term investment strategy. (The hot rookie today may wash out tomorrow, and the so-so rookie today may become a superstar tomorrow. You never know what may happen, which is why pro collectors save cases for the future. It's a long-term investment.)

And I have to respectfully disagree about the rookies from 2018 being "ok." I've spoken with several pro collectors, and they all say the same thing: In any given year, you're lucky to get one really great rookie. However, the 2018 year was phenomenal, because it gave us MANY really great rookies — Ohtani, Acuna, Soto, Torres, Andujar, Albies... In fact, I'd wager that the wide assortment of future HOF players from the 2018 season is one of the biggest reasons why pro collectors are HODLing sealed cases. (That, and as I said above, they're simply focusing on the next/newest releases. After all, this is their business. They make a living on focusing on the newest releases and HODLing the older releases. Their business formula goes something like: Buy X number of cases, crack and flip Y of those for short-term profit, save the remaining Z for long-term investment.)

At least, that's the info that I've been given from pro baseball card investors.

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November 14, 2019, 03:20:40 PM
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I have to agree with the Penny Man, card dealers know whats what...and 2018 was a terrific year for Rookies...including out most loved
#83 Cryptocurrency cards. There is a case with all of the wood cards, OR they are scattered in cases not yet opened. All the other cases of all of the other variations are completely independent from what we seek in here. Which is pretty much anything promoting Cryptocurrency, blockchain technology, and the people behind it all. So far all we have is the "Rookie" card. Are there more out there, yes, and way more than you think. I have several unopened x box's and packs of the TAG 2018. I'm sure that I will buy more before it's all over too. Much like the Penny Man, I've developed a friendship with these people and have had in depth dialogues about what Penny Man is saying. It's true, in fact just the other day I was telling someone about taking all of their cards in to his local card dealer, to have them looked at PRIOR to sending. Because we all want 10's only. They have people on staff that will look at all of your cards and tell you what cards will get a 10. It works, they have a dead-eye for that. Your local card dealers are sharper than you think. Get to know them a little, and you'll understand. Like, these people sending in their cards to Becketts because PSA gave them a 9.....not a great idea. Dealers will crack that 9 and send it back in to PSA, because collectors WANT the PSA cards. PSA is the standard. They would rather take another shot at possibly getting a different grader & getting a 10 next go around, than to send it to Becketts. My card dealer Dave, has told me that time and time again. You can learn PLENTY from your local card dealer. Penny Man is right on the money.


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November 14, 2019, 05:02:06 PM
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Penny is right but the ginter cards are not a premium card per say, they are the "one offs" of cards.  The reason the ginter boxes go for so much is purely based on the crypto currency card.  Even if there are better rookies from one year to the next you wont see these boxes appreciate all that much.  The crypto card is the crem of this set and makes it a unique buy.  I do think these unopened boxes will go for even more some day because of the crypto card.  Just dont expect this each year from the ginter cards.




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November 14, 2019, 08:31:00 PM
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jeez, i should probably pull all mine out, and the trusty 1980's blacklight to check. Tongue

Just a heads up, if you have the silver glossy #83 or the glow in the dark, hang onto those since they are no longer being made.   Cool Cool

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The hot box silver glossy is on the first page of this thread.  There are a few for sale on ebay.
Ooh.  I thought there was a 1/1 full size glossy

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November 14, 2019, 08:32:12 PM
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Ooh.  I thought there was a 1/1 full size glossy

There is, but I'm not sure if it's been found yet. Maybe you'll find it!

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November 14, 2019, 08:45:27 PM
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2018 was a good rookie year.  I didn't know Soto was a rookie in 2018. Only know A&G cards lol. He wasn't featured.

A 2017 x case (12 boxes) on Ebay 1500. A 2018 x single box 900 (recent sales about 400) A 2016 x box 165. 2017 x box 140.

Too bad soto not featured in 2018 A&G, then it'd be epic.


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I have to agree with the Penny Man, card dealers know whats what...and 2018 was a terrific year for Rookies...including out most loved
#83 Cryptocurrency cards. There is a case with all of the wood cards, OR they are scattered in cases not yet opened. All the other cases of all of the other variations are completely independent from what we seek in here. Which is pretty much anything promoting Cryptocurrency, blockchain technology, and the people behind it all. So far all we have is the "Rookie" card. Are there more out there, yes, and way more than you think. I have several unopened x box's and packs of the TAG 2018. I'm sure that I will buy more before it's all over too. Much like the Penny Man, I've developed a friendship with these people and have had in depth dialogues about what Penny Man is saying. It's true, in fact just the other day I was telling someone about taking all of their cards in to his local card dealer, to have them looked at PRIOR to sending. Because we all want 10's only. They have people on staff that will look at all of your cards and tell you what cards will get a 10. It works, they have a dead-eye for that. Your local card dealers are sharper than you think. Get to know them a little, and you'll understand. Like, these people sending in their cards to Becketts because PSA gave them a 9.....not a great idea. Dealers will crack that 9 and send it back in to PSA, because collectors WANT the PSA cards. PSA is the standard. They would rather take another shot at possibly getting a different grader & getting a 10 next go around, than to send it to Becketts. My card dealer Dave, has told me that time and time again. You can learn PLENTY from your local card dealer. Penny Man is right on the money.


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I see what you mean on PSA vs. BGS but a black label 10 would be quite a catch

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November 14, 2019, 09:11:47 PM
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2018 was a good rookie year.  I didn't know Soto was a rookie in 2018. Only know A&G cards lol. He wasn't featured.

A 2017 x case (12 boxes) on Ebay 1500. A 2018 x single box 900 (recent sales about 400) A 2016 x box 165. 2017 x box 140.

Too bad soto not featured in 2018 A&G, then it'd be epic.



Who is in and out of the ginter 2018 set is no matter.  With or without soto it would be the same pricing.  They arent premium cards therefore the baseball world goes to other companies/products to get more premium cards.  This 2018 release and why it is priced the way it is is Solely on the #83.  If soto was in here it wouldn't move the price needle on the box.  I'm not trying to be a downer this is actually a plug for how much the crypto card really is worth.




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November 14, 2019, 10:03:41 PM
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2018 was a good rookie year.  I didn't know Soto was a rookie in 2018. Only know A&G cards lol. He wasn't featured.

A 2017 x case (12 boxes) on Ebay 1500. A 2018 x single box 900 (recent sales about 400) A 2016 x box 165. 2017 x box 140.

Too bad soto not featured in 2018 A&G, then it'd be epic.



Who is in and out of the ginter 2018 set is no matter.  With or without soto it would be the same pricing.  They arent premium cards therefore the baseball world goes to other companies/products to get more premium cards.  This 2018 release and why it is priced the way it is is Solely on the #83.  If soto was in here it wouldn't move the price needle on the box.  I'm not trying to be a downer this is actually a plug for how much the crypto card really is worth.

Not much of a premium on regular hobby boxes.  A 2019 goes for 130, 2018 110, 2017 120.  Makes sense in a way, the only high end crypto card are brooklyns and glows - odds impossibly stacked against you.

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November 14, 2019, 11:41:44 PM
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Well yeah A Black label at Becketts, but why not retry PSA?....what you need to keep in mind is that the A & G cards are known to be made of a lower grade, thinner paper/cardboard...something to take into account when grading. Ask any dealer and they will tell you it's that way because Topps makes them for entertainment purposes mostly. The full sized silver glossy is a nice thick card, but none of the rest of them are that nicely done. I keep wondering why they picked that card to be a higher quality. Huh Anyone else wonder that?
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November 15, 2019, 12:13:30 AM
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All the recent communication on this thread, and the excitement about "what is out there," I had to twist my own arm and open the few remaining 2018 X packs I had. Bad news and no #83 Silver, Reds, X mini, or Woody. The only good one was a #239 Evan Longoria Brooklyn mini 4/25. Good luck to others!
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All the recent communication on this thread, and the excitement about "what is out there," I had to twist my own arm and open the few remaining 2018 X packs I had. Bad news and no #83 Silver, Reds, X mini, or Woody. The only good one was a #239 Evan Longoria Brooklyn mini 4/25. Good luck to others!

Not too bad getting a Brooklyn.  With each pack opened,  the remaining ones increase in value.   Do you open or hodl. Tough call

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November 18, 2019, 02:09:57 AM
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A Brookie went for $810 tonight   11-17-2019 at 8:09 p.m. central

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I saw that, maybe a glowie or another red mini will show up from the wild but, I'm not holding my breath  Cool Cool Cool
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November 20, 2019, 04:35:47 AM
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I would've expected it to sell for a lot more. Is the hype cooling off?

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November 20, 2019, 05:25:21 PM
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I dunno Penny Man, maybe the economy has something to do with it, or the fact that Thanksgiving and Christmas are around the corner, I definitely don't think that the card itself has "cooled".....it's a on card collectors perpetual "Hot-List" in my book.  Wink
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